Cops & number plates. Different story

[timwilky]

So I need a bit of veg for tonights dinner. Nice day and the bike has already been out. So for a change I nip up to the local Asda on the bike.

As I turn onto the car park WTF, it is crawling with the cops. I pass one car and there is a cop behind it screwdriver in hand removing the number plate.

4 cars appear to have clamps fitted. So I ask them.

They are having a clampdown on illegal number plates as he glances at my legal plate. That one has been stopped twice for illegal plates pointing at the car with the plates being removed. They will have to arrange for it to be towed away.

There are two guys from the DVLA going round the tax discs in the car park.

Nice to see that a common set of rules is being applied for a change and that the plod are also targeting naughty plates on cars.

[Red Herring]

Given that cars have front number plates and the majority of ANPR systems are forward facing I think you will find it will continue that way.

[Biker Biggles]

Asda car park?Private property?Can they do that there?

[metalmonkey]

Asda car park?Private property?Can they do that there?

Yes casue its open to the public; far as I am aware that is correct.

[madness]

Asda car park?Private property?Can they do that there?

I'm sure they asked first.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Asda car park?Private property?Can they do that there?


Yep, open to the public, therefore is a public place. And a road. Although not a public road, it is still a road.

[Red Herring]

They will need evidence that the vehicle was driven on a road, I suspect someone is at the gate calling the jobs as they enter (quite possibly using a mobile ANPR system), the vehicle is then checked when it parks up. Actually a very safe tactic as it avoids a lot of the potential for chases, it's also a whole lot easier to run as you can use coppers who don't need to have a driving permit (student officers, PCSO's, Specials and such like) to deal with the offenders.

[Jabba]

Yep, open to the public, therefore is a public place. And a road. Although not a public road, it is still a road.

Yep - correct.

That's why coppers can persue drink-drivers, stolen vehicles etc into superstore and pub carks, NCPs, etc.

Can't do so on private property not open to the public, e.g. your own drive, private work car-parks, etc.

[Mr Speirs]

Can't do so on private property not open to the public, e.g. your own drive, private work car-parks, etc.

I assume you mean if all the drink driving/offences are solely committed on said Private Property?

And not that if you drive drunk from the pub to your driveway they will automatically stop persuing.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Yeh, I would still run after the person, would in Scotland even have power of entry into his house.

[Red Herring]

The law on this is complicated. They have a power to enter your property and require a breath test following an injury crash, and can follow you onto your property in other circumstance, however they can only require the breath test if lawfully on your property, which they won't be once you have told them to leave. So the moral is, if followed onto your property by a copper your opening statement should be, "Get orf my land", provided of course you sober enough to say that.....

[Milky Bar Kid]

The law on this is complicated. They have a power to enter your property and require a breath test following an injury crash, and can follow you onto your property in other circumstance, however they can only require the breath test if lawfully on your property, which they won't be once you have told them to leave. So the moral is, if followed onto your property by a copper your opening statement should be, "Get orf my land", provided of course you sober enough to say that.....


EXCEPT...in Scotland. Don't try this in Scotland because it WILL NOT work.

[Red Herring]

I'm not going to risk your wrath again by arguing with that one....

[hovis]

tim, what did they say about your plate?

what size is it?

[Jabba]

tim, what did they say about your plate?

what size is it?

I'd guess at tim being a Size 9 :thumbsup:

[shifter]

They will need evidence that the vehicle was driven on a road, I suspect someone is at the gate calling the jobs as they enter (quite possibly using a mobile ANPR system), the vehicle is then checked when it parks up. Actually a very safe tactic as it avoids a lot of the potential for chases, it's also a whole lot easier to run as you can use coppers who don't need to have a driving permit (student officers, PCSO's, Specials and such like) to deal with the offenders.

Plus there is a ready supply of doughnutts from the supermarket so the union can't moan!

[Red Herring]

You need to get with the times, doughnuts are out with our modern superfit police service... cream cakes and bacon butties are still OK though.

[timwilky]

tim, what did they say about your plate?

what size is it?


Fully legal mate. Not a dicky bird said about it. Nor the fully legal OEM can. T'is a bike I don't spend money on so all original equipment but tyres.

[maviczap]

On a slightly different tack, I witnessed a mobile traffic stop on a car yesterday. Not the usual bobby pulling up and requesting the driver to stop, but 2 marked cars boxing a car in, before taking it off the highway. Waiting in the country road just off the main road was a reception comittee :smt071

Looked like something more serious than a routine traffic pull, probably a drugs or money operation.

Nothing in my local paper tonight, so I'll wait and see if anything is published

[Red Herring]

Generally a hard stop is used where you suspect they will try and make off if stopped routinely. Can be drugs/crime oriented but it could just as easily be a disqualified driver or similar that had been targeted. Might also of course have just been a training exercise.....

[shifter]

Generally a hard stop is used where you suspect they will try and make off if stopped routinely. Can be drugs/crime oriented but it could just as easily be a disqualified driver or similar that had been targeted. Might also of course have just been a training exercise.....

Or it could have been one of those sandwhich vans that goes round with bacon butties and cream cakes!

[Milky Bar Kid]

touche!

[maviczap]

Or it could have been one of those sandwhich vans that goes round with bacon butties and cream cakes!

I'll probably never know if it was their tea break, an exercise or the real deal.

It'll one of lifes little mysteries that never is answered.....................................:why:

[Dave20046]

Anyone seen the report in MCN about a cop who stopped en route to an emergency to fine a biker? They paint the picture very badly.

[Red Herring]

If it makes you feel any better I know a cop who did a white van driver after he had baulked him continually on the way to an incident. Didn't stop him at the time, simply used the in car video and a letter through the post.

[ranathari]

I've been in car parks a few times where the police have been replacing number plate screws with ones that can't be removed or something to reduce theft and fraud. The irony if they do that to a car and then end up trying to remove them when it turns out the plate's duff.

[lukemillar]

Or it could have been one of those sandwhich vans that goes round with bacon butties and cream cakes!

:lol:

Man, you crack me up!

[shifter]

Doughnutts are out don't you know!

[phil24_7]

Yep - correct.

That's why coppers can persue drink-drivers, stolen vehicles etc into superstore and pub carks, NCPs, etc.

Can't do so on private property not open to the public, e.g. your own drive, private work car-parks, etc.


Not stricly true. They can pursue you up your drive, but if you get in and lock the door, they need a warrant to be able to enter your house, unless they have good reason to believe a crime is being committed.

[phil24_7]

Red says it better though!