Bikers riding like tits! [Archive] - SV650.org

ManxMatt34

19-08-09, 09:33 PM

biker pulled out infront of the car i was a passanger in they then proceeded to chastise the driver, at which point i openeded the window called the biker by name ( i knew them) and told him that when i see him next i was going to "educate" him on correct riding technque, he followed us till we arrived at the hospital (when i was going after getting smidsy'd a month earlier) and apologised to my driver ( a small saving grace) its bad enough cage drivers trying to kill us but if you do something wrong hold your hand up dont try and blame someone else

Thats me black balled then.

If you remotley do anything that slightly affects me when i'm riding or driving i just hit the roof. Don't care whether i was wrong or right... don't know what it is blood rushes to my head and i just flip the flop at them... (note my polite forum wordings... do i get bonus points Sir Spidey?).

zsv650

19-08-09, 09:37 PM

i saw one tonight riding like a buffoon made me cringe as he did the single strangest maneuvre i've ever seen.

ManxMatt34

19-08-09, 09:40 PM

i saw one tonight riding like a buffoon made me cringe as he did the single strangest maneuvre i've ever seen.

Yeh tbh i see some right ones normally at tt and mgp over here... mgp starts saturday let the fun begin cough.

I've seen some funny ones with pillions... when i carry pillions i would say i am even more sensible than normal and i don't consider myself a mentalist compared too some.

I've had boys on the course going flat out with pillion.... i had one when i went out with some irish boys i met at TT for a couple of laps... we came through a windy part called Quarry Bends...

He sat on my tail... i then went too overtake this motorhome and despite the other guy been behind me he just decided he was gonna pull out aswell with his pillion instead of waiting we ended up all nearly squashed... (And yes LeedsMatt for once i checked my mirrors :P )

Viney

19-08-09, 09:42 PM

Viney...you been following me again? I'll put my hands up tho to this .... i've been known to treat well placed cashpoint machines like they are drive thru one and rolled up to the on my bike, done what i need to and rode off again, all whilst seated.

I'm no angel, i'll admit to that but in my defence there is only 2 cashpoints that i do this at and both are in very quiet areas and have huge pavments. I wouldnt do if there were a queue tho, lol.

Sometimes lazyness gets the better of all of us.i dont that the other night at Tesco...the cash point, not riding round the store...although i would love to do it, but they dont have a special trolly to attach to the fornt of the bike. Its discrimination i tell you!!

Spiderman

19-08-09, 09:43 PM

Wouldn't that be a right laugh, riding bikes thru a supermarket. Hell yeh!

And Manxy, good work keeping it clean mate ;)

zsv650

19-08-09, 09:45 PM

how do you use the cash point with bike glove's on that's some skill right there.

Viney

19-08-09, 09:47 PM

how do you use the cash point with bike glove's on that's some skill right there.Easy. Big buttons

zsv650

19-08-09, 09:47 PM

i've noticed the halifax have a good bike glove friendly layout on their's.

Spiderman

19-08-09, 09:49 PM

I need to take one glove off to get the wallet out anyway.

zsv650

19-08-09, 09:51 PM

I need to take one glove off to get the wallet out anyway.
you cheat :D

ManxMatt34

19-08-09, 09:55 PM

I need to take one glove off to get the wallet out anyway.

Is that not what handstands are for.... Biker friendly cash points... damn shame i don't run HSBC...

FlyinCustard

19-08-09, 09:57 PM

I have been known to park on the pavment rite outside the chippy door on my lunch brake. It is MAHOOSIVE pavement and there is nowhere to park at all round there.

I have also done the ride upto the cashpoint thing. Convenience at its best.

Also I have been known to purposfully leave the change i need for a toll charge in my pocket, so that I have to stop, glove off, search round for it, wait for the change, shut pocket, glove on, move away slowly. All to get my own back on the stupid caravans and cages that have held me up for the last 5 miles.

As regards other people I think to myself look at that kn*b head everytime I see someone in shorts a t-shirt. Mmmmmm gravel rash......

Spiderman

19-08-09, 09:59 PM

lol. its a really tight pocket and my phone is in there there too..and its an inside pocket. Tried it a few times with gloves on and phone falls out, i lean over to pick it up and nearly topple bike over etc so i've learnt the hard way...glove off for that one.

The one by the Ace cafe i dont even kill the engine tho...drive by cashpoint heist in action...shame its my own money i take out tho :(

As regards other people I think to myself look at that kn*b head everytime I see someone in shorts a t-shirt. Mmmmmm gravel rash......

Today i was that fool. In fairness i need to pop to B&Q for some screws, it was very hot and it'd take me all of about 20mins to walk to B&Q so it was just easier with short, t-shirt and trainers.

I iz chav scum :lol:

zsv650

19-08-09, 10:01 PM

take it you don't shout go go go as you ride off then getaway style.

Spiderman

19-08-09, 10:02 PM

i do (only to myself in my lid tho)

19-08-09, 10:19 PM

Bottyholes who don't slow down for horses. This being a rural area, you see it often, bikes go far too close, far too fast, horse panics and rears up, rider struggles to control.

Spiderman

19-08-09, 10:24 PM

On a rideout if i encounter horses, i hit the kill switch and coast by nice and slow. It dont take much effort does it.

-Ralph-

19-08-09, 10:33 PM

I did the cash point thing tonight at Tesco's, don't even need to take the gloves off with my pockets.

Saw a guy on a Gladius in shorts on the M25 yesterday, wouldn't do it myself, but it's his skin and I suppose jeans don't give you all that much more protection really.

If you want to see stupid riding go to Bassets Pole pub near Tamworth on a Tuesday night. Big bike meet attended by lots of idiots who show off to the crowd!

hovis

19-08-09, 10:35 PM

dont pass judgment on others, or you may get judged yourself

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/90/Chapman_as_Brian.jpg

Spiderman

19-08-09, 10:44 PM

Shorts on a m-way. Now that is silly. My journey barely registered on the mileometer and if i could get over 30mph i'd be amazed at myself.

ethariel

19-08-09, 11:02 PM

Chap on a Buell passed me this morning with his GF on the back, he was in full leathers, Arai lid, black visor, gloves and boots.

She was in a 2 piece bikiny (very nice thong type!), open face 40 year old pi$$ pot lid and a pair of flipflops................

L3nny

20-08-09, 03:22 AM

Saw 3 guys on Gixxers going the wrong way around a roundabout a couple of weeks ago. I was coming in the opposite direction not that slowly, just as they were exiting. A few seconds earlier and i'd have hit them head on.

Bri w

20-08-09, 07:26 AM

Riding as pillion, I've got to admit to carrying two pints of Hartley's from the Outgate near Hawkshead to the Old Drunken Duck for the landlord at the DD. Only lost the head off one pint.

And riding with T-shirt and jeans, mate on the back same, when the back tyre blew cranked over in an S bend. Up on the pegs, bars at opposite lock. Big black S thro' the bend as it fish tailed. Mate's hand was shaking so much he couldn't light his cig, and i couldn't hold the lighter my hand was shaking so much.

Yep, been a tit and luckily survived.

Now its just speed, gimme speed and more speed - as in motion, not drugs.

STRAMASHER

20-08-09, 07:29 AM

Not seen any bad riding recently.

I must be the t1t then! :p

Speedy Claire

20-08-09, 08:39 AM

On a recent rideout I was TEC.... I saw in my mirror that 2 bikes were approaching fast behind me. We weren`t riding very fast and I was in the correct road position for both group riding and the fact that there was a left hand bend coming up. As we were about to approach the bend one of the riders passed us on the outside and the other went through on my inside.

Due to their speed I had no idea that this guy was gonna pull such a stupid manoeuvre and it frightened the life out of me so much that I couldn`t help but lash out with my left leg as he passed me on the inside! stupid thing to do I know and could have been very dangerous for us both but it was just a reaction to the surprise and was like a reflex!

Was pleased when a group of other bikers coming up behind us slowed right down, gave us space and only overtook when i pulled over and waved them on.

Baph

20-08-09, 09:13 AM

Well said hovis!
One man's bad riding is another man's boredom.
It's all personal risk at the end of the day.
Yes some things can be scary if you're not used to it (for example overtaking on the inside on public roads), and isn't something i'd do myself, but i know others on the forum that have.

Speedy Claire

20-08-09, 10:30 AM

It's all personal risk at the end of the day.
Yes some things can be scary if you're not used to it (for example overtaking on the inside on public roads), and isn't something i'd do myself, but i know others on the forum that have.

Agree to an extent but it`s not just personal risk.... sometimes because of bad riding other riders are put at risk too.

Grinch

20-08-09, 10:34 AM

I am a tit, does that count?

plowsie

20-08-09, 10:46 AM

I am a tit, does that count?
No because what use is one tit...

DanAbnormal

20-08-09, 10:48 AM

I've ridden like a tit before. Sh*t happens. :)

Owenski

20-08-09, 10:50 AM

Nice one spidey I love Tescos they are so bike friendly, They even put bollards across the cash machine area to stop cars driving into you while you make a withdrawl brilliant! That coupled with the pay at the pump option they have for petrol means I can go to Tescos get some cash and petrol all with out getting off the bike.

Viney

20-08-09, 10:52 AM

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 11:03 AM

Rupert Paul wrote an article in Bike magazine, which I agree with, to summarise:

Inspector Simon Labbert concluded in 2004 after investigating 55 fatal bike crashes in Sussex in over a three year period, that

37 of the dead riders were on sports bikes, 11 on sports tourers
92% of those died due to rider error

The conclusion was that the riders effectively all killed themselves, and that thrill-seeking was the cause of a huge majority of bike fatalities in open road collisions. Open road collisions make up the vast majority of bike accidents. Tit's are the problem, but your average joe on his Bandit 1250 suffers as a result. If you ride sensibly, biking actually isn't all that dangerous. Take the remaining 7 or 8 fatal crashes that were a genuine unavoidable accidents, not some tit trying to kill himself, then ask how many fatal car accidents were there in Sussex in the same three years? If you took out all the tits, suddenly bike accident statistics wouldn't look so bad would they? The public and the politicians wouldn't have the impression that what we do is so suicidally dangerous (because that's what they think!)

Sussex police are confiscating the bikes of those who they believe are riding anti-socially. Good move!

It's because of these tit's that we now see every popular biking road in Derbyshire and in Warwickshire now down to 50mph limit, along with quite a few in Shropshire.

Biking has such a bad press because of these tit's, and if a 50mph national speed limit is taken seriously, and why wouldn't they if three of the counties that I ride in regularly have effectively already done it, and bike detecting average speed cameras like those on the A6 near Matlock get put on all those roads as well, it will be because of these tits spoiling it for the rest of us.

Go to Bassets Pole on a Tuesday night and watch the idiots show off, and listen to them on approach for 2 miles before they reach the pub, on full throttle, constantly well over three figure speeds, weaving through the rush hour traffic on the busy surrounding roads, then wonder why bikers get a bad press.... I know we have all had mad moments and ridden like a tit on occasion, but then so have most car drivers done the same in their cars, sometimes it happens, get over it. BUT, for these guys, it's the sole reason they own a motorbike, they would never buy a Bandit, or a classic bike, or a cruiser, only sports bikes and the faster the better, because it's not motorbikes they are interested in, it's speed and thrill seeking. I went to the next nearest bike meet last night (Waterman Pub), and the car park jam packed with some beautiful bikes that must have taken hours of modding, restoring, customising, as well as some old neglected dogs own by guys who are clearly more interested in riding than maintaining, but guess what, not a bit of idiotic riding in sight! The guys at the Waterman are in the majority, proper bikers, who do it because they love it.

Ride like a tit, then you are a tit, and deserve to die like a tit, I'd personally prefer it if they didn't own a bike and went bungee jumping for thrills instead.

Rupert Paul concludes that thrill seekers (read tits!) are not welcome in the biking community and I agree 100%

DanAbnormal

20-08-09, 11:20 AM

I'd never wish death on anyone, even if they were riding like a tit. And we've all done it. Those times were a lapse of judgement occurs and you end up in a situation where to the external observer would be classed as riding like a tit. However, for those that do ride like tits all the time because they think it's big and clever then they are the real danger. And I guess that's what you were getting at Ralph.

I'll move along now. :rolleyes:

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 11:39 AM

tit. However, for those that do ride like tits all the time because they think it's big and clever then they are the real danger. And I guess that's what you were getting at Ralph

Exactly, and I think they are a minority of bikers, but as the Sussex study shows, they are making up the majority of accidents!

For a rider that is sensible most of the time, the only reasons chances of having an accident are higher than they are in a car is because there's less chance of being seen and we are more susceptible to poor road conditions on two wheels in the winter.

If we produced statistics that showed only these kind of true accidents, not rider error on a country road because the rider was being a tit, we wouldn't actually have that many more crashes than cars do.

The consequences in terms of injuries will always be worse, because we are not protected by a cage, but the changes of having the accident in the first place are not actually that much higher if you are riding sensibly.

I know some bikers in their sixties who have not have not had an accident in 20 years! They crashed like blazes when they were younger, the only thing that changed was the way they rode.

Owenski

20-08-09, 11:41 AM

If you can pay at the pump then why do you need cash huh...huh? Wierdo ;)

call me nuts but sometimes when I spend money it isnt on petrol.

Spiderman

20-08-09, 11:44 AM

call me nuts but sometimes when I spend money it isnt on petrol.

You sir are one crrrraaaaaaaaaazy dude! Unless its on leathers or lids of course.

Owenski

20-08-09, 11:46 AM

You sir are one crrrraaaaaaaaaazy dude! Unless its on leathers or lids of course.

... and tyres.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 11:46 AM

I'd never wish death on anyone

And BTW, I wouldn't wish loss of a husband/wife/parent/child on anyone, and I wouldn't wish the witnessing or involvement of a fatal accident on anyone, but if a biker weaves through traffic at three figure speeds, or rides at 140mph down country roads, then I honestly wouldn't feel sorry for the rider at all if they killed themselves.

20-08-09, 11:50 AM

It's because of these tit's that we now see every popular biking road in Derbyshire and in Warwickshire now down to 50mph limit, along with quite a few in Shropshire.

Oh? Which? I live here and I don't know of any...

Owenski

20-08-09, 11:58 AM

nearly every road on the way up to skegness from the motorways after leaving the AR was a 50mph road. Get blitzed by a Rizla GSXR at god knows what but I was touching 80ish and he appeared in my mirrors on a long striaght then less than 5 seconds later I couldnt read his number plate he'd got that far ahead.

Spiderman

20-08-09, 11:59 AM

... and tyres.

And gloves..and boots... ah you know what i mean :lol:

hovis

20-08-09, 12:48 PM

I've ridden like a tit before. Sh*t happens. :)

i pride myself on it[-X

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 01:46 PM

Oh? Which? I live here and I don't know of any...

Basically a lot of the stretches from Brum up to you, so Kidderminster up to Shrewsbury, have had new speed limits put on.

Found this out when I rode up that way up to the Conwy fish and chips run a few weeks ago.

They have been more sensible than Warwickshire and Derbyshire, ie: they haven't just slapped 50 limits onto roads that were 60 beforehand and perfectly safe at that, there are still plenty of 60mph sections in between, but where you have stretches of minor roads joining, or houses, or twisties, it now drops to 40mph.

For instance the stretch from The Food Stop at Quatford, into Bridgenorth is now 40mph limit, probably 'cos it has so much bike traffic heading for the cafe, but it also does have some housing on the other side of the road from the river in places.

Baph

20-08-09, 03:49 PM

...a biker weaves through traffic at three figure speeds...
Done that.

...rides at 140mph down country roads...

And that. More than once for both. Nothing bad has happened.

As my pervious post, that's personal risk. Everyone has their own level of acceptable risk. I accept how my riding would affect those around me, and consider that every time I twist the throttle.

For any officers of the law reading the above, please note I haven't specified in which country the above were done. :)

I'm guessing that places me in the 'tit' category. :-$

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 07:44 PM

weaves through traffic at three figure speeds, or rides at 140mph down country roads

Done that.

And that. More than once for both. Nothing bad has happened.

As my pervious post, that's personal risk. Everyone has their own level of acceptable risk. I accept how my riding would affect those around me, and consider that every time I twist the throttle.

For any officers of the law reading the above, please note I haven't specified in which country the above were done. :)

I'm guessing that places me in the 'tit' category. :-$

If you've done it once or twice then we all have (well I have never weaved through traffic at three figure speeds, but I have done 140mph+), but if you do it regularly, then yes, that places you in the tit category.

You cannot possibly be considering people around you at 140mph on anything except a straight motorway where there are no junctions. At that speed when you cross somebody's path (which you will do at all but 3am in the morning), you're going to cross their path so fast that you don't know they're there until you're gone, and if an accident is going to happen, like a tractor pulls out of a field entrance, it's in the hands of fate, there's absolutely nothing you are going to do to stop it.

Even when having a silly moment there needs to be some kind of restraint. I would say that if you are exceeding twice the speed limit, your definitely being a tit. If you see 120 on the speedo, in a 60 limit IMO it's past time to be having have a wee word with yourself about calming it down.

Baph

20-08-09, 07:56 PM

...stuff...
I don't consider it appropriate to say how many times - but we do have to bare in mind the TOP speed of an SV is approx (give or take, no arguments about gearing etc etc) 150mph indicated. Lop off 10% for speedo inaccuracy, and you're looking at roughly 130mph flat out.

However, the reaction distance when travelling at 140mph, assuming almost perfect reactions, is roughly 31m. That's before you start to think about the stopping distance when you've actually got the anchors on. EDIT: That also means that at 140mph, when a hazard becomes apparent, you'd travel approx 31m before even thinking about changing direction as well.

I don't exceed any speedlimit without the above knowledge firmly planted in my brain. Therefore, I consider it acceptable risk (as is getting a ticket for exceeding the speedlimit), whenever I choose to do it.

Horses for courses.

EDIT: Oh, perhaps it would help matters if I also add in the fact that only a few days ago, I was told my bike could be heard from approx 6 miles away. Countryside, on a quiet evening. I'm not saying that makes anything I choose to do right, or reduces risk in any way. I was also riding towards that person, no away from them.

ManxMatt34

20-08-09, 07:58 PM

If you've done it once or twice then we all have (well I have never weaved through traffic at three figure speeds, but I have done 140mph+), but if you do it regularly, then yes, that places you in the tit category.

You cannot possibly be considering people around you at 140mph on anything except a straight motorway where there are no junctions. At that speed when you cross somebody's path (which you will do at all but 3am in the morning), you're going to cross their path so fast that you don't know they're there until you're gone, and if an accident is going to happen, like a tractor pulls out of a field entrance, it's in the hands of fate, there's absolutely nothing you are going to do to stop it.

Even when having a silly moment there needs to be some kind of restraint. I would say that if you are exceeding twice the speed limit, your definitely being a tit. If you see 120 on the speedo, in a 60 limit IMO it's past time to be having have a wee word with yourself about calming it down.

Unless it's all legal.... get over too the IsleofMan you'll be fine then... I don't find 120-130 any problem atall because i know the roads and i would be doing it in the legal areas "note would be" cough cough. (granted anyone who knows the manx laws i personally should do more than 50mph bull**** till april). Me and my mate have been up on the mountain and other roads doing these sort of 50 mph speeds"cough cough wink wink". and have been taken by people doing 170-180 mph and you feel like your just stood still, thats scary and stupid i agree.

As stated before it's also what your confident with.... The only danger i feel is for other people when i choose to do those speeds and therefore certinaly through villages and towns and even more so at peak times with kids and so forth i slow right down...

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 08:06 PM

you're looking at roughly 130mph flat out.

Which is partially why I've never changed the SV for something more powerful, because I don't actually want to go any faster than the SV already carries me, so something mega powerful would never see half throttle, it would be wasted. If I buy a mega powerful bike to replace the SV, it will be because there something else about the bike that took my fancy.

However, the reaction distance when travelling at 140mph, assuming almost perfect reactions, is roughly 31m. That's before you start to think about the stopping distance when you've actually got the anchors on. EDIT: That also means that at 140mph, when a hazard becomes apparent, you'd travel approx 31m before even thinking about changing direction as well.

I don't exceed any speedlimit without the above knowledge firmly planted in my brain. Therefore, I consider it acceptable risk (as is getting a ticket for exceeding the speedlimit), whenever I choose to do it.

Horses for courses.

You consider excessive speed an acceptable risk for you, but you don't have the right to decide what is acceptable risk for other people, for instance when they decide to walk down a grass verge they don't do it thinking somebody is going to pass them at 140mph and assessing that as a risk. In doing 140 and having a thinking distance of 31 metres, you are putting that pedestrian at risk of death, which is why if caught you may quite rightly land in jail. If you want to do 140 take it to a track day.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 08:12 PM

Unless it's all legal....

The principals of not considering other people around you still apply whether it's legal or not. It's your ability to control/change/avoid a sequence of events at 140 that is dangerous for both yourself (but as Baph says that's your look out), and for those around you.

Baph

20-08-09, 08:15 PM

which is why if caught you may quite rightly land in jail.
... if I survived the ensuing crash (because at that speed, hitting anything, you would come off!).

Also, the times/places that I choose to exceed the speed limit (by any amount - not just excessively), are much like ManxMatt said, more appropriate places. Therefore other people are considered.

The chance of someone walking on a grass verge, or even a tractor pulling out of a side turning etc, is miniscule at best. People that live in rural areas get used to the rough times that things are going to happen (time of day as well as time of year).

I've ridden the best part of the last 40k miles (possibly more) under the same thinking, and as yet, I've had two accidents. Both were single vehicle, and both I was travelling under the speed limit. I still ride by the addage of "You can go around 1000 corners too fast & nothing will happen, but you don't want to go around 1 & something be there."

There is a village close to me, that I know has a school right next to the road. I choose to ride through that at 20mph (or less), despite it having a 30mph. It's what I deem to be the appropriate speed.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the subject.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 08:20 PM

... if I survived the ensuing crash (because at that speed, hitting anything, you would come off!).

Also, the times/places that I choose to exceed the speed limit (by any amount - not just excessively), are much like ManxMatt said, more appropriate places. Therefore other people are considered.

The chance of someone walking on a grass verge, or even a tractor pulling out of a side turning etc, is miniscule at best. People that live in rural areas get used to the rough times that things are going to happen (time of day as well as time of year).

I've ridden the best part of the last 40k miles (possibly more) under the same thinking, and as yet, I've had two accidents. Both were single vehicle, and both I was travelling under the speed limit. I still ride by the addage of "You can go around 1000 corners too fast & nothing will happen, but you don't want to go around 1 & something be there."

There is a village close to me, that I know has a school right next to the road. I choose to ride through that at 20mph (or less), despite it having a 30mph. It's what I deem to be the appropriate speed.

I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the subject.

You wouldn't need to have a crash to land in jail, you'd just need to be caught at 140 in a 60 limit.

We will have to agree to disagree on the excessive speed bit, because I just can't accept that doing 140 on an open for buiness public road, during normal waking hours, can be done with consideration for other members of the public.

ManxMatt34

20-08-09, 08:59 PM

The principals of not considering other people around you still apply whether it's legal or not. It's your ability to control/change/avoid a sequence of events at 140 that is dangerous for both yourself (but as Baph says that's your look out), and for those around you.

As stated before it's also what your confident with.... The only danger i feel is for other people when i choose to do those speeds and therefore certinaly through villages and towns and even more so at peak times with kids and so forth i slow right down... Did you not see this part of my post?

And in response to not accepting it... they do here and i do and so do all the other people on the roads. If the govermeant and dot and such forth didn't we would not have these no speed limit zones here.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest doing 120-130 or been over taken or passed at alot more... aslong as it's in the right place and with sensiblity... when you look at the speeds people do on the roads here the crashes are minimal or normally not related.

The last one happened last week the biker lived in ramsey lived next door to me best mate... he came round a corner and a 4x4 drove into him... he wasn't going stupidly quick and was in a 50 zone and wasn't even the poor guys fault someone pulled out on him... he was killed outright.

20-08-09, 09:02 PM

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 09:11 PM

I find these sorts of post amusing everytime they come up.

It is usualy a case of 'if you filter faster than me, then your filtering dangerously'... or in this case 'if you take more risks than me, then your a tit'

All very amusing :rolleyes:

We are talking 140mph, not what speed you stop filtering at. Do you think 140 on an A road is safe? Maybe we should have a poll.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 09:13 PM

Did you not see this part of my post?

And in response to not accepting it... they do here and i do and so do all the other people on the roads. If the govermeant and dot and such forth didn't we would not have these no speed limit zones here..

No I didn't see that part of your post sorry.

Just 'cos the IOM accepts it, doesn't mean I have to. You have to admit that the IOM is quite unique in the developed world with regard to it's attitude and it's speed limits.

20-08-09, 09:14 PM

We are talking 140mph, not what speed you stop filtering at.

Well some do... but the second statement was more relevant to this dicussion.

... or in this case 'if you take more risks than me, then your a tit'

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 09:17 PM

Well some do... but the second statement was more relevant to this dicussion.

'if you take more risks than me, then your a tit'

But that's not what we are talking about at all. So far we are agreed that an individual can take whatever risks he wants. The debate is about how much risk you can place upon other road users or members of the public.

20-08-09, 09:28 PM

The debate is about how much risk you can place upon other road users or members of the public.

Other than black and white law there is nothing to debate.....every individuals opinion will be different.

Only those sticking to the black and white law every day without fail can sit here and preach to everyone else about the right and wrong... in my opinion

ManxMatt34

20-08-09, 09:38 PM

No I didn't see that part of your post sorry.

Just 'cos the IOM accepts it, doesn't mean I have to. You have to admit that the IOM is quite unique in the developed world with regard to it's attitude and it's speed limits.

Yes it is, but there are roads i would still do certina speeds on, i mean in the Isle of Man they have one run from castletown in the south upto the course at Ballacraine it's just huge huge huge straight roads for miles and you can easily hit your top speed on here... but i never would go more than around 100 down here and it would have to be a clear day, theres just too many small entraces from properties and farms...

I only think the IOM still remains like this because it can, the rest of the world has millions of people, could you imagine all the people going down a normal A road in a day in the UK doing willy nilly whatever the hell speed.

Over here most of the quick drivers are locals and know the roads like the back of the hands (hey we don't have many roads to learn lol). Anyway one else visting seems very very slow because they all crap themselves on the mountain anyway as nobody knows the road.

But back too the point... i think it's more about the situation, there are too many to list.. i don't know essex even slightly... hell i didn't even know where it was till AR.

Now on AR a good example.... i didn't know any roads i just cruised and stuff... then with about 30 mins to go i pulled over recorded a big group of people coming through right up until the Tail End. Then i absoultly stank it as quick as i safely could to catch up going at considreable speeds... (speeds mentioned in parts above).

One part the best part for me i overtook about 10 sv'rs in about a half mile section of these twistys out in a farming sort of area... but i could see round each bend clearly nothing was around other than bikes going the same way as me and i was using both sides of the road... because it was totally clear... now yes i was using high speed and cornering... but i was not affecting anyone else atall i consider that aggresive type of riding acceptable. But not say through some of the villages we passed and stopped in i would just stick to around or as near too the limit.

Tbh it's an on-going debate but i think if anyone when riding thinks deep into there mind then they'll know if they endagering others or themselves... rush or no rush.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 09:42 PM

Other than black and white law there is nothing to debate.....every individuals opinion will be different.

Only those sticking to the black and white law every day without fail can sit here and preach to everyone else about the right and wrong... in my opinion

Nobody is preaching, ie: trying to force acceptance of another's views, which is why we end up with phrases such as "agree to disagree", because you have to allow other peoples opinions, even if you don't accept or agree with them yourself.

And the world ain't black and white, it's lots of shades of grey. Laws are only black and white 'cos they have to draw a line through they grey somewhere and call one side black and the other white.

Lets say the majority of people on here do 75 in a 60 on the bike on a fairly regular basis. It probably does make them a hypocrite for calling somebody who does 80 at tit, but doesn't remove their right to discuss 140 which is so far outside of the bounds of the law that it ceases to be a legal discussion, but a moral one.

ManxMatt34

20-08-09, 09:47 PM

It's just a discussion anyway, thats why theres opinions so :P

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 09:57 PM

theres just too many small entraces from properties and farms...

i think if anyone when riding thinks deep into there mind then they'll know if they endagering others or themselves... rush or no rush.

This tells me your not a tit.

I've never been to the IOM so I can't comment. I said at the beginning of this you can't be considering the public at 140 on anything, but an empty motorway. I said this because there is armco between you and oncoming traffic and no entrances, give way junctions, etc on the motorway. It may be that there are completely open sections of the IOM where it's lined by low stone walls you can see over, no properties, straight, etc, etc, therefore just as risk free as the empty motorway, so maybe 140 can be done without endangering anybody else. Perhaps very remote areas of Wales and Scotland this may apply also, the dead flat straight open section across Glencoe is just as safe as the motorway when there are no tourists about. The other factor is that on the IOM it's a common occurrence so people are expecting it.

What I'm talking about is a typical 60 mph limit public road on the mainland, the kind of roads I see tits riding on around Bassets Pole in the heart of the Midlands for instance.

20-08-09, 10:07 PM

This tells me your not a tit.

I've never been to the IOM so I can't comment. I said at the beginning of this you can't be considering the public at 140 on anything, but an empty motorway. I said this because there is armco between you and oncoming traffic and no entrances, give way junctions, etc on the motorway. It may be that there are completely open sections of the IOM where it's lined by low stone walls you can see over, no properties, straight, etc, etc, therefore just as risk free as the empty motorway, so maybe 140 can be done without endangering anybody else. Perhaps very remote areas of Wales and Scotland this may apply also. The other factor is that on the IOM it's a common occurrence so people are expecting it.

What I'm talking about is a typical 60 mph limit public road on the mainland, the kind of roads I see tits riding on around Bassets Pole in the heart of the Midlands for instance.

I have ridden around bassets pole a far bit and there is plenty of place to do silly speed if that what floats your boat.

I appreciate what your saying though I guess.

I have always been of the opinion that there is a time and a place and it has kept me safe up to now, the problem is peoples opinion of where the right time and place will be varies so massively. That will never change.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 10:08 PM

Perhaps very remote areas of Wales and Scotland this may apply also, the dead flat straight open section across Glencoe is just as safe as the motorway when there are no tourists about.

It's just occurred to me that where Baph live's as opposed to where I live may account for some of the difference in opinion.

-Ralph-

20-08-09, 10:33 PM

I have ridden around bassets pole a far bit and there is plenty of place to do silly speed if that what floats your boat

The A38 is motorway spec dual carriageway, so probably quite safe to do 140, the trouble with the two way A roads, for instance the one that goes past the Belfry, is not the amount of space to do the speed, it's the density of population. Just like they say in a city your never further than 10 feet from a rat, on that road you are never that far from somebody else who could cross your path, and at 140 you just can't do anything about it and if you hit them there's a good chance you'll kill them.

In advance, I genuinely hope my riding at the Peak District rideout won't offend you. :(

I would say that if you are exceeding twice the speed limit, your definitely being a tit. If you see 120 on the speedo, in a 60 limit IMO it's past time to be having have a wee word with yourself about calming it down.

Your riding defo won't offend me, nobody's managed that on an SV rideout so far! I might think your a tit if you turn up on a gsxr thou and use it to its potential, but an SV650 usually stays well within my definition of a tit (unless you're doing 65 in a 30 limit!) :p The SV only does 130 and I'm not going to judge somebody who draws the line there instead of at 120, and I guess you'd see that speed once or twice for a few seconds in an entire days riding, and at the same time as most of the rest of the group. That doesn't make it sensible, but I'm not going to judge somebody for it 'cos that would make me a right hippocrite ;-)

Like I said, somebody who turned up on a dead powerful bike and did 140 all day, on a sections of road where the rest of the group found 90 quite quick enough, I'd probably not speak to very much, but I've had my silly moments both riding with and leading rideouts, just the same as everyone else.

EDIT: I've just realised that we've ridden together before at the Willingham Woods rideout. That rideout was getting a bit quick for my comfort TBH, quicker than any SV Ecosse rideout, but it didn't bother me, I just waved everyone through and sat in front of Pete and Lissa. Everyone was pretty safe from what I saw, 30 in 30's, slowing it right down for dangerous junctions, etc.

I don't think there are many "tits" on this forum, (ie: folk who ride very powerful bikes just for thrills at sustained very excessive speeds) we'll leave them all at visordown ;)