Beowulf end can not legal?

[Daywalker]

Hi all just thought i'd ask the question if my end can has no BSAU markings i take it i must have a race end can, i've not had my curvey k2 long and i've fitted a DB killer but i think it still sounds ##### loud.
What are the chances of any one wanting it if i decide to get rid of the can/ in polished chrome a few small marks would any one want it , dont know how old it is & the lettering has fell off what d'you all think cheers.

[Mr_Chin]

There's no legal requirement for an exhaust to have an EU or BSAU marking. As long as the end can doesn't have 'for race use only' you are definitely okay. You might need a more friendly MOT tester because of the sound, but in legal terms, you're legal, as you have it baffled. Don't worry about it, enjoy it. Chin

[7755matt]

Is this not the age old argument that there are no markings but it may be above the legal noise limit, yet hoe do you tell without a dB meter

[mikelcfc]

should be ok, although all my cans are bsau stamped.... if you get rid, might be interested... how much you looking???

[appollo1]

better safe than sorry and give it to me as i I am more than happy to be caught with it on my bike!!! ;)

you can get bands on ebay that have the BSAU markings and just need riveting.

[Mr_Chin]

I've just looked at the picture, and I don't think that's a Beowulf can as the outlet spout is curved. I think Beowulf spouts are angled, not curved. It looks like an unmarked Scorpion can. Check below the spout for evidence to see if FRUO has been polished out. I have an unmarked Scorpion just like the one you have. Chin

[yorkie_chris]

Last time I was at Beowulf, the guy there (Andy I think), was saying their cans are all baffled as standard, and Emarked. Only illegal with the baffle removed.

IMO their cans are a fair margin ahead of the rest of the "budget" competition out there.

[Sally]

I've just looked at the picture, and I don't think that's a Beowulf can as the outlet spout is curved. I think Beowulf spouts are angled, not curved. It looks like an unmarked Scorpion can. Check below the spout for evidence to see if FRUO has been polished out. I have an unmarked Scorpion just like the one you have. Chin

My beowuld has the curved spout.
Same band as mine also.
99% sure it is.

[Daywalker]

hi all sorry i've not been on sooner thanks for all the input you've given think i'll stay with the can for now or untill the boy's in blue tell me otherwise, also the bike shop (Hunts) shoved it through its MOT with no probs, but would like to put a stubby can on some day, cheers.

[timwilky]

There's no legal requirement for an exhaust to have an EU or BSAU marking. As long as the end can doesn't have 'for race use only' you are definitely okay. You might need a more friendly MOT tester because of the sound, but in legal terms, you're legal, as you have it baffled. Don't worry about it, enjoy it. Chin


Not true

The construction and use regulations require the stamps. That is a legal requirement.


VOSA rules for issuing an MOT certificate does not require stamps, but if the can is marked to say it is not for road use, race use only etc. Then it is is breach of the VOSA rules and should not pass a test.

There are no limits on the noise. Simply a subjective assessment that it is no noisier than a comparative model.

However, a well trained MOT tester will accept that a loud can is an essential safety feature.

[kwak zzr]

However, a well trained MOT tester will accept that a loud can is an essential safety feature.

too true.

[Mr_Chin]

Not true

The construction and use regulations require the stamps. That is a legal requirement.


VOSA rules for issuing an MOT certificate does not require stamps, but if the can is marked to say it is not for road use, race use only etc. Then it is is breach of the VOSA rules and should not pass a test.

There are no limits on the noise. Simply a subjective assessment that it is no noisier than a comparative model.

However, a well trained MOT tester will accept that a loud can is an essential safety feature. What? You've just agreed with my statement though, bar the 'construction and use regulations' which are not needed for an MOT anyway. OP wanted to know if the exhaust would pass an MOT, which it did, so happy days. Chin

[timwilky]

Strange I see no mention of the OP asking if the can would pass an MOT etc.

His question (In the title) was "Beowolf end can not legal?". My reply is accurate. without BS/E stamps. The system fails to comply with the construction and use regulations and is thus illegal.

Others have referred to the MOT. I simply pointed out that VOSA MOT requirements are not a test that requires adherence to the C&U regs.

Therefore, you can ride out of a MOT workshop with a brand new certificate and immediately be hit with a fine of £30. I am no lawyer, but I think it is an offence under section 42 of the road traffic act to contravene the construction and use regulations. Our forum police friends will probably be more specific about the offence

[Mr_Chin]

Strange I see no mention of the OP asking if the can would pass an MOT etc.

His question (In the title) was "Beowolf end can not legal?". My reply is accurate. without BS/E stamps. The system fails to comply with the construction and use regulations and is thus illegal.

Others have referred to the MOT. I simply pointed out that VOSA MOT requirements are not a test that requires adherence to the C&U regs.

Therefore, you can ride out of a MOT workshop with a brand new certificate and immediately be hit with a fine of £30. I am no lawyer, but I think it is an offence under section 42 of the road traffic act to contravene the construction and use regulations. Our forum police friends will probably be more specific about the offence Why would the OP ask his original question - just out of curiousity, I doubt it? I just thought ahead, and was right as OP just had an MOT done. Not being funny, but 'hit with a fine' for what? The can does not say FRUO, which is what the boys in blue would look for.
Anyway, OP passed the MOT - job done!
End
Chin

[yorkie_chris]

Why would the OP ask his original question - just out of curiousity, I doubt it? I just thought ahead, and was right as OP just had an MOT done. Not being funny, but 'hit with a fine' for what? The can does not say FRUO, which is what the boys in blue would look for.
Anyway, OP passed the MOT - job done!
End
Chin

Well there's 2 possible questions;

"will my can pass an MOT"
or
"will I get a fine if pulled by pork"

And it seems tim gave a full and clear answer.

My answer is usually if it matters for the MOT, then you have a defective MOT tester. And if you're worried about £30 fine, crash damage costs more to sort than that!

[timwilky]

Believe me, the boys in blue who know their stuff and enforce C&U everyday will/do look for the correct stamps. and impose fixed penalty notices for their breach

Have a look at the motorcycle exhaust section of http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforpoweredtwoandt4564 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforpoweredtwoandt4564)



(d) Exhausts - on motorcycles first used on or after 1 January 1985 the silencer which forms part of the exhaust system must be either:
(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-
-the relevant BS marking BS AU 193/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T3; or
-the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with EC Directive 89/235; or the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with Chapter 9 of EC Directive 97/24; or
-the name or trade mark of the manufacturer or marked with that manufacturer's part number - relating to it.
The European Community noise limits applicable to new motorcycles first used from 1 April 1991 are:
Motorcycle Category by cm3
Limits in dB(A)
Up to and including 80
77
Between 80 and 175 (incl.)
79
Above 175
82
Motorcycles approved to EU Directive 97/24/EC, Chapter 9 will be 2dB(A) less than the above figures.
(Note: the precise regulations for motorcycle exhausts are complex and it is recommended that they are studied closely to obtain accurate and complete details of the requirements).
Before buying any replacement parts for systems listed in this section, riders should check for the relevant marks, where applicable. These will include an "e" mark for EC Directives, an "E" mark for ECE Regulations and "BS" for British Standards.

[Mr_Chin]

This relates to OEM exhaust:
"that with which the machine was first fitted"

[yorkie_chris]

(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-

See?

[Daywalker]

Thanks for all your feed back some interesting points mentioned, i've had a good look all over the can & there's NO lettering NO numbers NO evidence of any buffing/polishing out at all its completley naked.i'll just ride it and see if i cop for a fine etc or a warning.