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Just out of interest,
I only picked this thing up yesterday as a complete newbie.
Don't worry, I won't be leaping into the unknown, my respect for the bike is massive.
However, having come from a car that can do 60 in 5 seconds, and having driven the same car at around 150 on numerous occasions (track obviously) ;) I just wondered...
What are the stats for the SK5?
Today, and even yesterday to be fair, and having felt comfortable I started to use some throttle. Now, I have not got to the point where the wheel lifts but, I do know that I am hitting 30 in a couple of seconds, and having used 2nd I have booted it to 50 in around a couple more. I have not felt weight shift so far as I know, but, it has to be said, in terms of acceleration, I am used to the change in road speed and not alien to the consequential obsrevational/practical differences.
What I have noticed is that, whereas my car (which was a 300bhp turbo) "FELT" fooking quick, the bike doesnt. Now I am only using the bike probably to around 65% of it's capabilty. But, having been spritely, and having been happy to press on, as much as I love the torque and as much as I know that it would **** on most cars, the "sensation" is totaly different.
It does not feel urgent, or like it is even trying. Which, is probably good.
Educate me!
kwak zzr
29-08-09, 10:47 PM
your sv should go to 60 in 4ish seconds and top out at about 125.
Spiderman
29-08-09, 10:49 PM
not sure what the actul 0-60mph time for an SV is but remember this...0-60 is for cars and wimps, 0-100 is for bikes and heros ;)
I know flat out my K5 will do 142mph, no matter how hard i tried that night i couldnt get 143mph.
Graciepants
29-08-09, 10:53 PM
I know flat out my K5 will do 142mph, no matter how hard i tried that night i couldnt get 143mph.
thats impressive - i thought svs did about 130 tops
kwak zzr
29-08-09, 10:53 PM
142? on the speedo maybe.
fastdruid
29-08-09, 11:04 PM
Dunno about the pointy but the curvy 'S' is geared for 139, it won't go faster although it may _read_ higher, could even read over 150mph.
The SV is not a very quick bike as bikes go but plenty fast enough, from what I recall 0-60 is around 3-4 seconds, 0-100 around 10. In comparison to say a GSXR1000 which will do 0-100-0 in 10 seconds or even my 20 year old VFR which will do 0-100 in 8 seconds...
0-60 in 5seconds is a pretty quick car so in comparison to most car drivers you wont notice the difference as much.
Druid
Cool.
Yeah the car was a bit of a wildcard... a tune VXR for straight line speed.
The acceleration of the SV is something that I am aware of, but nowhere near afraid of if that makes sense. If anything, it just lacks that sense of urgency, but, I am used to a car, and I know it is apples and pears.
I have a few times really "sprinted" off the mark, by no means done what most rider on here could do, but none the less have done it. Yes, I have before I known it suddenly hit 60 and thought, oh, thats 60...
Thats great though as on my Superdream I hit 40 and shat myself...
Spiderman
29-08-09, 11:31 PM
yeh indicated 142. Had it pinned to the stop and it just wouldnt budge off that. Never checked the data logger from my info rad on that one to see the GPS verified speed tho. Might try it again soon tho.... once i get access to that private airstrip again of course :)
Bit, major shock... top speed....
Seriously... not 125?
Cant believe that. Was thinking for a K5 minimum 135...
Ive been privvy to a lot of bikes whilst in the VXR and I know they are quickish top end. Mind you, until now, wouldn't have recognised an SV.
BanditPat
29-08-09, 11:35 PM
Thats what I felt like every time I got in he car, the car feels like its going fast you can feel it trying to move with the bike it seems so effortless overtaking from 40 in the bike and looking down at the speedo and seeing close to triple figures if i had done the same in the car i wouldnt be looking at the same speed but the car still 'felt' faster
fastdruid
29-08-09, 11:37 PM
I've personally always found (fast[1]) cars to feel faster than the bike even though they're not because I feel the G when pressed into the seat and don't on the bike.
What also makes the difference is how the SV makes it's power, it's a pretty smooth curve meaning there is no sudden urgency, try riding a sports 600 and you'll see what I mean, in comparison the 600's have no power until ~10k when they suddenly go.
Druid
[1] M5's, Tuned Skylines etc, nothing like still accelerating *hard* at 150 to give you a sense of fast. ;-)
Oh yes, totally agree, diff engine setups etc, V twin / Vtech / Turbo / V8 etc...
Mst admit, looking at the speedo and doing what I have done, I know I "equate" the car in speed dept, but obviously there is no seat to sink back to. But I have also found I am not having to "hang on". And, as I have said, although I know I "go fast", it is just so smooth!
I guess this is just bikes... and the SV. Awesome cocktail of fun... almost feels to easy? Is that right?
I've personally always found (fast[1]) cars to feel faster than the bike even though they're not because I feel the G when pressed into the seat and don't on the bike.
What also makes the difference is how the SV makes it's power, it's a pretty smooth curve meaning there is no sudden urgency, try riding a sports 600 and you'll see what I mean, in comparison the 600's have no power until ~10k when they suddenly go.
Druid
[1] M5's, Tuned Skylines etc, nothing like still accelerating *hard* at 150 to give you a sense of fast. ;-)
Interetsed in your (1) - M5 and Skyline likew chalk and cheese - what M5? Old was V8 new was V10 but still naturally aspirated - Skykline is the top of hierarchy of turbo... major difference....!
fastdruid
29-08-09, 11:58 PM
Interetsed in your (1) - M5 and Skyline likew chalk and cheese - what M5? Old was V8 new was V10 but still naturally aspirated - Skykline is the top of hierarchy of turbo... major difference....!
Very much different but still bloody quick cars.
Old old M5 as in M5 E34 a proper BMW engine 3.8l straight-6, 335bhp and unrestricted, ~175mph flat out.
Skyline was a R33 GT-R ~400-450hp and bat**** insane, I've never been in anything that will corner as fast.
In terms of speed they don't seem too fast but the acceleration (to me) is noticeable where as I don't so much on the bike.
But then again maybe I've just jaded to acceleration on a bike and speed, I've driven a Gallardo and apart from giggling hysterically from the way it was flashing the traction control light in 4th in a straight line in the dry thought that was quite fun and not scary fast. :reaper:
Druid
Spiderman
30-08-09, 12:03 AM
Awesome cocktail of fun... almost feels to easy? Is that right?
yeh...but also too easy to sil thru speed cameras too. If i encounter 30mph speed cams i really do think to mysel "FFS, is this really the limit for this bit of road as it just feels unbelievably slow.
the Inforad on my bike has to be one of the best bits of kit i spent money on tbh.
Both comments more than valid!
We speak of supercars...
If you want a laugh you can spot me in this vid via my plate (username). One of many vids, taken on one of many runs, whereby almost every car that was, took part!
In the tunnel half way through it's my blue beast offsiding and behind the Gallardo... but as has been said, a snapshot in time.
Enjoy!
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3380778075815252197
It all started here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjMyf5xUceg
Anyway, thats enough about that ;)
Mr Speirs
30-08-09, 06:20 AM
Yeah the SV isn't the quickest off the mark but that's not what its about, its the twistys you wanna be quick on :)
Red Herring
30-08-09, 08:00 AM
As bikes go the SV isn't particularly fast, however it has more than enough to get by and more importantly the way it is delivered make the bike fairly viceless, one of the reasons it's popular with those new to riding. If you're worried about flipping it, don't be. Once the clutch is fully out in first you can pin the throttle and provided you don't actually sit up and pull on the bars it's won't go over on you.
The suspension isn't the best in the world, but again it's good enough for what the bike was originally intended for so provided you don't take liberties it's an ideal place to start. Once you get some confidence under your belt, and if you are so inclined, you will find the SV lacks the top end punch of a sports bike, especially at anything over 100mph, but in this day and age of speed cameras and prison happy magistrates there are some who like it for that very reason. Trust me, once you get to know your bike it will be so much more fun than sitting in a queue popping dump valves....
try riding a sports 600 and you'll see what I mean, in comparison the 600's have no power until ~10k when they suddenly go
Ah here we go again, SS600s are flabby below 10K. All relative, I suppose, but it's male cow manure, Druid:rolleyes:
Come take my 675 for a ride and be educated:smt036
yorkie_chris
30-08-09, 09:33 AM
The 675 isn't a SS600 though is it.
sv-robo
30-08-09, 09:42 AM
Bit, major shock... top speed....
Seriously... not 125?
Cant believe that. Was thinking for a K5 minimum 135...
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Sounds to me as much of a nice bike the sv is,maybe power wise it's not enough for you??.
Get y'self an ss600 as some have stated(or bigger,tho imo i don't think you/anyone needs bigger than a 6 for typical english roads.)
You'll soon find it'll p1ss over any car you've ever driven especially 0-100. HTH
Oh dont want more power... I am still learning.
But just wondered where I stood in the grand scheme of things.
I know what you mean on the bike with acceleration, I've got a Type-R and the acceleration of the bike doesn't 'feel' the same. But you do categorically mince pretty much any car on the road. Think it's just down to being concentrated on the bike, in a car your sole experience is the speed as you don't really need to pay much attention as bad as that sounds.
When you get back into a cage they feel slow as the hills by comparison, something I've noticed
fastdruid
30-08-09, 10:43 AM
Ah here we go again, SS600s are flabby below 10K. All relative, I suppose, but it's male cow manure, Druid:rolleyes:
Come take my 675 for a ride and be educated:smt036
Anytime, I'm up for that (you can have a go on the SV700 in exchange if you like) but an inline-3 675 != SS600 :-)
I've ridden plenty of 600's[1] and they're all the same, very quick but *relatively* gutless bellow about 10k. I've not ridden the 675 but I wouldn't *expect* it to be the same as the SS600's (and for that very reason I think I'd get on very well with it). I (personally) prefer the low grunt of the SV (or for that matter my VFR) as under most 'normal' conditions as you don't get to the power on a 600 until you're going quite quickly which means unless you're prepared to speed you never get to use it. Classic example was the Hornet-6 I had as a hire bike after writing off the SV, *NO* go below 5k (~25mph) and felt slow below 10k (50mph) at which point it took off like a scalded cat. That meant though for any real go at 60mph it had to be in 1st or it was out of the power *or* I'd have to speed in 2nd anything else and it had no real go.
Druid
[1] CBR6, CBR6RR, hornet-6, R6, thundercat, ZX-6R
speedplay
30-08-09, 10:46 AM
I know flat out my K5 will do 142mph, no matter how hard i tried that night i couldnt get 143mph.
Take a dump and lose some rider weight ;)
Spiderman
30-08-09, 11:23 AM
:lol:
Specialone
30-08-09, 05:48 PM
Im sure i read somewhere 0-60 for a k8 sv650 was 3.9 secs, 130mph top speed.
Im not the most experienced, but full right back throttle to the redline in 1,2,3 is still going at a decent pace, admittedly in a car that would seem amazing because of the mass you are shifting.
But having drove some old quick cars, they seemed mega quick compared to smoother modern quick cars.
Lotus sunbeam, 150 hp, felt s**t hot quick, old 911, very entertaining.
Your still hitting license threatening speeds regardless of wether it feels snap quick or not.
Phil
Dave20046
30-08-09, 05:58 PM
I read somewhere a pointy is 3.5 seconds for 60 and somewhere around 130 topend. If you wanted warp speed though probably bought the wrong bike, Sv is just for having fun round corners IIRC
The SV is quick compared with most cars, but don't go thinking you'll just fly by something with a flick of the wrist on the motorway if you're both already doing 90mph. 70ish bhp is not a lot, and while the power/weight ratio may be good, vehicles that lack power simply do not keep accelerating when drag becomes the main factor, no matter how light they are.
Forget high speed and the SV is fast.
jamesterror
30-08-09, 06:44 PM
The SV is quick compared with most cars, but don't go thinking you'll just fly by something with a flick of the wrist on the motorway if you're both already doing 90mph. 70ish bhp is not a lot, and while the power/weight ratio may be good, vehicles that lack power simply do not keep accelerating when drag becomes the main factor, no matter how light they are.
Forget high speed and the SV is fast.
+1
Alpinestarhero
30-08-09, 06:53 PM
Cool.
Yeah the car was a bit of a wildcard... a tune VXR for straight line speed.
The acceleration of the SV is something that I am aware of, but nowhere near afraid of if that makes sense. If anything, it just lacks that sense of urgency, but, I am used to a car, and I know it is apples and pears.
I have a few times really "sprinted" off the mark, by no means done what most rider on here could do, but none the less have done it. Yes, I have before I known it suddenly hit 60 and thought, oh, thats 60...
Thats great though as on my Superdream I hit 40 and shat myself...
I had a bandit for 8 weeks as a courtesy bike while my bike was banged up and in hopsital (lol). Being an inline four, when I thrashed the [ants off it and got it past 8000 rpm, boy did it take off! My sv has never promted me to do a giggly dance on the footpegs before. The SV makes its power so linearly, and there is so much low down grunt, that it felt slower than the bandit when I got back on it.
Which is a dangerous thing.
If you want to feel a good speed rush, try an in-line 4 cylinder motorcycle, its a real good rush!
yorkie_chris
30-08-09, 06:56 PM
On a bandit? Try it on a 2 stroke or a proper sportsbike!
Dave20046
30-08-09, 06:57 PM
On a bandit? Try it on a 2 stroke or a proper sportsbike!
wanna buy an rd350 anyone?
:offtopic: :-dd
yorkie_chris
30-08-09, 06:58 PM
Aye carnivore has one for sale, complete with rgv running gear to suit! :-P
Villers
31-08-09, 12:12 PM
Bad news for the SV if a Bandit 6 makes it seem slow!!
When I had mine I'd already had a quicker bike but knew what I was getting into, the handling really let it down for me and I wasnt into bolting GSXR bits onto my brand new bike. I would have another pointy if it had been properly fettled though, as a second bike.
Have to agree with the 675 bloke, riding my K6 pointy and my 636 back to back had me believing that there was nowhere in any range the SV had an advantage.
I miss that noise though ;)
speedplay
31-08-09, 12:31 PM
The sv does seem to have a bit more low down torque than an IL4 but once you get used to revving the nuts off them the IL4 is much more fun.
I went from the sv to the daytona 600 and its true, up to about 4.5k the daytona doesnt seem too bad, quite tame really but then onceyou get in the rev range its a different story.
Its almost like riding a 2 stroke in some ways where you have to keep it in the powerband to get the best from it.
I cant see me going back to an sv anytime soon.
I know that IL4 are supposed to be soulless compared to the twin but I'd prefer to be soulless and grining :)
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