am I likely to get nicked

[timwilky]

The tax ran out on my car end July, after a week I contacted the woman at work who sorts it, she said talk to the lease company, they say they sent it to xxxxxxx mid July. I contact xxxxxxx and get no reply. mail is returned she is on holiday. tail end of last week I finally get her, she talks to the lease company, they say they sent it mid July. off they go for proof of delivery that says mid July zzzzzz in HR signed for it. Somewhere it has been lost. There is no record of it being sent on to me.

So they have asked the lease company to get a duplicate issued direct to me. In the meantime I have a month out of date disc in the window. Am I likely to get pulled. I assume ANPR etc will know a disc was issued for my car so more likely a roadside can we have a word sir.

I know some on here advocate keeping the disc under seats, in wallets etc. Do you still run a risk? of being done for failure to display

[husky03]

on the system it will show theres a upto date tax disc in place, but as you said you could still get a fixed penalty (£60) for failing to display a valid tax disc.

[Scoobs]

When I sold my CBR I gave them my last 3 tax discs still attached to the letter it comes with. Never even had a tax disc holder on my old CBR. Got pulled a couple of times and the feds asked if I had the disc (they know you have) and that's as far as it went. You can, however, be fined for failure to display.

Haven't got a tax disc holder on my new bike either. It was tacky so I took it off.

[Wideboy]

depends how the copper is fealing, I've been let off for not displaying twice, once in car by accident as holder fell off and i put it in the glove box, bike i never display anyway

[timwilky]

what you took that Chinese lump of your holder for looking tacky?

[Scoobs]

what you took that Chinese lump of your holder for looking tacky?

I try and help a fella and all I get is abuse. Remind me that I owe you a punch next time I see you Tim. ;)

[timwilky]

Oi scoobs, your avatar looks strangely familiar. You been on the grass again

[Scoobs]

You been on the grass again

:smt033

Not for a long time now mate. ;)

[PsychoCannon]

nah it's all computerised now so they can loose your details, i mean check remotly =p
Unless you get a real ass or manage to really get on a coppers bad side the worst they will probably do is have a word about not displaying.

I had mine in my tank bag and got told I could still be fined but let on my way all the same.

[Red Herring]

You are safe from the DVLA patrols because they always go through head office for authority to seize, and your vehicle is technically taxed, and you're also safe from police ANPR systems as vehicles don't go on there until 3 months out of date. You are potentially at risk from some of the borough warden schemes where they can get vehicles towed if they're not displaying (seem to remember someone on here had their bike lifted from a parking lot) but they are few and far between. You are technically committing an offence of "failing to display" and if a copper really wanted to be nasty they could give you a £30 FPN for that (The £60 ones are for vehicles that don't have tax rather than those that just don't display it) but as a general rule you would have had to do something else to deserve that. If it's a company car, reasonably tidy, insured and you explain why you haven't got one (perhaps have a copy of one of the e-mails in the car) then I'd say the chance of you getting done is very slim. Won't stop you getting pulled up for it though so probably best not to have a drink.....

[wyrdness]

I don't know if you would get done for 'failure to display' as it's not actually your car, you're just driving it. I think that it would be the owner (i.e. the leasing company) that would be fined.

[davepreston]

it is you so yes your a criminal anyway and should be locked up for the safty of the public

[instigator]

**** the 'failure to display' rule, you've paid for it, use it.

And if some total job worth **** insists on fining you instead of being a decent human being, tell him exactly what you think of him/her. :)

[punyXpress]

That'll definitely get Tim in prison & guess who he'll meet there?

[timwilky]

That'll definitely get Tim in prison & guess who he'll meet there?

Well it won't be any thugs, burglars, drug dealers etc. They only get community service. Tax avoiders/evaders get life

[gruntygiggles]

Tim, If you get pulled, you'll probably just have a chat and be sent on your way, being told to chase up the company to get the disk. If they do issue a fine, it should be to the vehicle owner, but as you're the driver, they may issue it to you.......take it to your HR dept and make them pay it....also chase it up a week later so you know it's been done.

Happened to me when my tax disk got stolen......as luck would have it, I got pulled just after I noticed and on my way home.....lol. No fine, just a giggle with the officer and report of the theft made.

[Red Herring]

Trust me, failing to display is down to the driver/rider, not the owner. Keeping and using if it's a company vehicle can be down to the owner, but they only apply if the vehicle isn't taxed.

[Owenski]

The law is "failure to display"

fortunatly police dont do walking checks anymore. The DVLA do but they always refer to a control centre and they then inturn say "na its taxed" ie not the DVLA's problem.

ANPR will see you number plate and check against DVLA which again will say its taxed so that wont pull you.

BUT!
if you get pulled for something else and they check your tax disc and its OAD then you can add £60 and 3 points on to what you've already got pulled for.

[gruntygiggles]

The law is "failure to display"

fortunatly police dont do walking checks anymore. The DVLA do but they always refer to a control centre and they then inturn say "na its taxed" ie not the DVLA's problem.

ANPR will see you number plate and check against DVLA which again will say its taxed so that wont pull you.

BUT!
if you get pulled for something else and they check your tax disc and its OAD then you can add £60 and 3 points on to what you've already got pulled for.

Time to start kicking up a stink Tim.......or take some time off until they sort it out so you're not driving a vehicle without a tax disk....lol. I know.....never gonna happen, but hey ho.

[timwilky]

I am in copy of an email between my HR dept and the lease company requiring them to send me a replacement disc.

This was sent 2 days ago. So I guess it may be another week until am in receipt of the replacement depending just how the lease company request a duplicate from the DVLA.

[gruntygiggles]

Going in the right direction at least!

[Owenski]

I'd keep those emails printed and in the glove box, just in case. use the "i cant miss work in times like these I'll lose my job" line if you get pulled.
It'd have to be a pretty unsympathetic copper to do you considering.

[Red Herring]

The law is "failure to display"


BUT!
if you get pulled for something else and they check your tax disc and its OAD then you can add £60 and 3 points on to what you've already got pulled for.

Do you mind telling us where you got that from? Failing to display is a £30 non-endorsable ticket.

[timwilky]

It arrived today, actually say duplicate. So they must have sent the thing in the first place. I was beginning to think somebody had cocked up and never ordered it first time round.

So fitted and legal again.

[punyXpress]

Whose car is the original on then?

[Owenski]

Do you mind telling us where you got that from? Failing to display is a £30 non-endorsable ticket.

Do i mind? wtf
Wind ya neck in.

Tim, you can drive past police with out ducking down now lol. No longer afraid to be seen.

[454697819]

Do i mind? wtf
Wind ya neck in.

Tim, you can drive past police with out ducking down now lol. No longer afraid to be seen.

If someone disagrees with you the politest thing you can do is justify your source of info, not tell them to wind their neck in.
:confused:

[DanAbnormal]

If someone disagrees with you the politest thing you can do is justify your source of info, not tell them to wind their neck in.
:confused:

Wind yer neck in you!

Oh, ha. :p

[husky03]

Failure to display is £60 quid non endorsable.

[Owenski]

If someone disagrees with you the politest thing you can do is justify your source of info, not tell them to wind their neck in.
:confused:

lol, IIRC Reds' an officer of Ze Law, So I'm sure his source is more accurate than my assumption towards the penalty. I wasnt put off by him correcting me, its the whole point of a forum. It was the wording of his post I wasnt impressed with.

[husky03]

60 bangers fine up here-i done three last month.

[Owenski]

Even better I didnt know it varied depending on where you were, I dont know what Red is but I'm west yorkshire if that helps.

Husky is it the same for the number plates up in scotland? 60quid slap in the wallet?

[yorkie_chris]

Do i mind? wtf
Wind ya neck in.

Tim, you can drive past police with out ducking down now lol. No longer afraid to be seen.

Lol, where's me popcorn. He seemed pretty polite to me!

[Owenski]

Maybe im too used to polite words been spoken in a condecending manor. Like when the misses find a packet of cigs in my jacket pocket and asks "do you mind explaining these hmmmmm?" lol

Red if you genuinly are just that polite then no I dont mind explaining. The statement of 60quid and 3 points came from my noggin' cos I thought thats what police gave out for it. I'll wind my own neck in instead.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Even better I didnt know it varied depending on where you were, I dont know what Red is but I'm west yorkshire if that helps.

Husky is it the same for the number plates up in scotland? 60quid slap in the wallet?

Certainly is!

I have always issued £60 Fixed penalty notices for failing to display!!

And yeah, numberplate has also now gone up to a £60 non endorsable!

[ophic]

Maybe im too used to polite words been spoken in a condecending manor. Like when the misses find a packet of cigs in my jacket pocket and asks "do you mind explaining these hmmmmm?" lol

Red if you genuinly are just that polite then no I dont mind explaining. The statement of 60quid and 3 points came from my noggin' cos I thought thats what police gave out for it. I'll wind my own neck in instead.
awww bless ya Matt! Don't ask me why but that's hilarious! :D

[husky03]

Certainly is!

I have always issued £60 Fixed penalty notices for failing to display!!

And yeah, numberplate has also now gone up to a £60 non endorsable!


;) +1 what MBK said

[timwilky]

To be honest, you have to ask why in this day and age you even need to penalise a failure to display. A 20 second check against the PNC will verify whether tax has been paid or not. Prosecute those who have no tax, as likely not to have an MOT or insurance to boot.

The same with failing to produce documents. I once got a producer, got home and could not find my licence. I was actually taken to court and fined for it. Yet on the summons it actually said "on further investigation, it was established Mr Wilkinson did hold a full licence for the class of vehicle he was driving". Having established I could not find my licence. I had the same day applied for a duplicate. The prosecution served no purpose and probable cost more than the fine to process.

[yorkie_chris]

But common sense isn't going to hit any targets is it?

[Milky Bar Kid]

To be honest, you have to ask why in this day and age you even need to penalise a failure to display. A 20 second check against the PNC will verify whether tax has been paid or not. Prosecute those who have no tax, as likely not to have an MOT or insurance to boot.

The same with failing to produce documents. I once got a producer, got home and could not find my licence. I was actually taken to court and fined for it. Yet on the summons it actually said "on further investigation, it was established Mr Wilkinson did hold a full licence for the class of vehicle he was driving". Having established I could not find my licence. I had the same day applied for a duplicate. The prosecution served no purpose and probable cost more than the fine to process.

Unfortuntaley, PNC is not always updated correctly and as it has already been stated on this thread, vehicle excise licences are shown to be held until they are 3 months out of date.

[Red Herring]

Wow, isn't it easy to get some people going, although I do accept it was a little provocative. There are two types of fixed penalty tickets dished out for VEL (That's Vehicle Excise Licence) offences. The £60 ones are for persons who have no tax on their vehicle, and they are the ones you see the most. Favorite amongst ANPR officers but now in general circulation they should only be given out if the vehicle is not taxed.
The others are £30 tickets. They are for the offence of "failing to display" and should be given to the driver/rider who has tax, but just hasn't displayed it. Technically if the tax is in your pocket, on the offside of the vehicle, or in the case of a motorcycle behind the rider (I kid you not) then you could be given one, but it takes a really anal kind of traffic officer to even know they can let alone actually write one out (I can say that, I'm not on Traffic anymore).