View Full Version : Reclaiming wales 13/09/09
Who's going, should be loads of bikes:D
ravingdavis
10-09-09, 10:24 AM
I think i might be up for this, looks like an entertaining day out.
Myself and Cog Head are going with another group and your welcombe to join us.
There are two meeting places, Bassetts Pole and Streetbike Halesowen. The two groups meet will then ride to and meet up at Quatt cafe and then (after breakfast) we'll ride as one group to the Ponderosa.
ravingdavis
10-09-09, 07:27 PM
Awesome, I think ill probably head for Bassetts Pole. What sort of time are you guys gonna be getting there? Ive not been to Bassetts Pole before but I think I know its rough location, not hard to find I guess?
ManxMatt34
10-09-09, 07:33 PM
Gutted i'm not on this one, best of look, someone fly a manx flag for me!
Awesome, I think ill probably head for Bassetts Pole. What sort of time are you guys gonna be getting there? Ive not been to Bassetts Pole before but I think I know its rough location, not hard to find I guess?
If you get on the A38 at minworth (by asda) and head towards Lichfield, aprox 4 miles later you will come to the junction were the A38 meets with the A453 & A446, look to your right and you'll see the Bassetts pole pub and Mcdonalds next to it, that's where we'll be.
It's an 8.00am meet for an 8.15 kick off, then we ride to the quatt cafe at Bridgenorth to meet the other group, have one of the best cooked breakfasts around and go to the Ponderosa...etc
I'll pm you my mobile No. gis a bell if you need any help.
Cheers Ian.
ravingdavis
10-09-09, 09:10 PM
Cheers, expect a call, I *will* get lost... its one of the few things in life im good at!
Noble Ox
10-09-09, 09:16 PM
Sorry not heard about this! Open to anybody im guessing? Any details of the day?
Aran
It's a protest ride against the treatment we get as bikers from the welsh police. Its being organised by MCN. meet at one of two places in wales, ride around and end up at Betswy y coed all at 4.00pm on sunday.
See this weeks MCN for more details.
You and anyone else are more than welcome to join us or make your own way there.
ravingdavis
10-09-09, 11:52 PM
Im assuming the welsh fuzz are gonna be out in force then, target rich environment for them.:rolleyes:
I was thinking about going on this one but I am not sure it's gonna be worth the hassle. The Police will be going crazy and i'll be paranoid about being nicked for something.
Cog Head
11-09-09, 10:38 AM
I really can't see the police doing anything unless you do something stupid, there will be more bikers than police, I'm going down with open termis, putting the plate n lights back on. The police simply cant have the force to try any major show of force.
And they will be under the prying eyes of the worlds press, I think they will be very easy going to try make us look like we are there for no reason
I really can't see the police doing anything unless you do something stupid,
i went to a petrol protest, and the police were waiting at the meeting point, taking details and filming
I really can't see the police doing anything unless you do something stupid, there will be more bikers than police, I'm going down with open termis, putting the plate n lights back on. The police simply cant have the force to try any major show of force.
And they will be under the prying eyes of the worlds press, I think they will be very easy going to try make us look like we are there for no reason
I wish I shared positive attitude. I know from attending football matches that have been hyped up as games where trouble will opccour and going to the bulldog bash last year that the Police will do anything thay can to try and justify their presence and extra overtime they are charging etc.
I expect all the meeting places will be surrounded by police filming every bike which goes in and out handing out tickets for every loud exhaust small plate and tinted visor.
There will also be mobile speed cameras on every straight so I wont be able to "enjoy" the bike at all.
Get the cotton wool out, make a big ball and climb in!
Your filmed every time you hit the road, let them film you and the thousands of other bikes that'll be there.
This is about the protest to stop YOU being victimised by the welsh police, they're having the desired effect if you stay away.
If bikers are not in wales that's what they want, reducess their accident figures and moves them to another county.
Protesting is a way of opening the subject up to a wider audience and getting your voice herd.
If for no one else, do it for the family of the biker who died on his bike and the ploice saw fit to use a photo of him lying in the road, dead, without the family's permission. B******s!
There, you got me right wound up now, sorry dudes but we take too much s**t lying down, your presence would be appreciated.
It's not a protest as such, banners and marcing, we're just going to ride in numbers through wales, all at the same time.
Happy day's, Ian
ravingdavis
11-09-09, 01:43 PM
Well, as far as I'm concerned, I'm going for a good day out riding. I intend to have fun on my new bike, meet some new people and have a look at a part of the country that I have not been to before. If the police are there in force then I shall do my best to not be noticed and if I do get pulled then I will be polite and try not to give them any reason to be unduly harsh. I'm not breaking the law and as such I will not let the opinion of some police commissioner ruin this opportunity for me to have a good time.
Luckypants
11-09-09, 01:48 PM
If for no one else, do it for the family of the biker who died on his bike and the ploice saw fit to use a photo of him lying in the road, dead, without the family's permission. B******s!
OK the Police were out of order for using the photos, but don't try to link this 'biker' with innocent bikers being victimised. He was uninsured, unlicensed and doing well over a ton (deduced from the impact analysis by the crash investigator), on the wrong side of the road on a bend. He hit another vehicle and the couple had to be cut free from the wreckage with his body embedded in their vehicle while it was done. The driver of them never really recovered and has since died from 'a broken spirit' for want of a better phrase. Two sides to every story, mate. This incident is one of the ones that make N. Wales police so anti-bike. Not that surprising is it?
I do not like the N. Wales police stance on bikers and think they do victimise us, but clouding the issue with emotive outbursts like the one above will not influence the decision makers. I suspect that this protest will not make any difference and that uncle Heddlu will squeeze a bit tighter in the future. OK for you, tucked up in the Midlands, not for locals like me.
plowsie
11-09-09, 01:51 PM
I don't get it, if people stay away from Wales for a reason, that reason has gotta be because they have a reason to be stopped (god I used reason too many times there :lol:).
Say you turn up with a loud can and were caught doing 74 on a 60mph road, fairs fair, 6 points, credit card slotted anally...you shouldn't be so silly to get caught :???:
This is what I don't get this protest, if there's nothing wrong with your bike/riding, 15 mins (max) of your time is taken up and you ride off (I've heard of cases, people get a ticket as a 'get out of jail' type thing) whats wrong with that?
I've been to Wales a few times on the bikes, never have I ever been stopped, or has anyone I've been with on that day.
I'm just curious to peoples reasons...
Luckypants
11-09-09, 02:17 PM
This is what I don't get this protest, if there's nothing wrong with your bike/riding, 15 mins (max) of your time is taken up and you ride off (I've heard of cases, people get a ticket as a 'get out of jail' type thing) whats wrong with that?
What I object to is the 15 mins of my life being stolen for doing nothing wrong. I do get what you say mate, legal bike = nothing to fear, but why should I be victimised for going about my lawful travels on the road cos I'm a biker? I won't be protesting for reasons given elsewhere, but it don't stop me writing to my MP / AM etc about it.
Leopard_lily
11-09-09, 03:37 PM
I'm going - I'm completely legal and intend on doing nothing wrong lol so what if they stop me. I'm just going for a day out, not to mouth off!
skeetly
11-09-09, 04:00 PM
Frankly I'm over the moon.
I'll have every copper in North wales in my back yard. Nice one.
And I'll be trying to ride quietly home from camping with the missus. arriving home just about 4..... Yipee.
Still; lovely weather :D
Noble Ox
11-09-09, 06:07 PM
So im thinking its worth avoiding as my can spits flames like there's no tomorrow!! Shame as I just want to have a ride with a few SV's. New to the game and am loving the thought of riding among thousands of bikes! Mite go to Bassats in the morning then turn back after an hour or so...
I don't live in wales, I hav'nt been stopped when I have been there (quite often) so why should i be bothered?
I could be else where get'n me knee down but i'm not. I beleive our freedom is something to fight for. it's not going to be a mad thrash, it'll be quite the opposite.
It will however be a good laugh in good company.
Go or come and enjoy.
So im thinking its worth avoiding as my can spits flames like there's no tomorrow!! Shame as I just want to have a ride with a few SV's. New to the game and am loving the thought of riding among thousands of bikes! Mite go to Bassats in the morning then turn back after an hour or so...
You can only turn back after a breakfast at quatt!
word of warning though, you might go all the way afterall!:D
Noble Ox
11-09-09, 06:16 PM
Yep I think that mite be the outcome! lol
For those closer to Quatt cafe you can meet us there at 9ish, just make yourself known as I only know a few of ya.
So who's meeting at Bassetts Pole;
Veefer
Cog Head
Duke man (Ian)
And who's meeting at Quatt;
I don't live in wales, I hav'nt been stopped when I have been there (quite often) so why should i be bothered?
I could be else where get'n me knee down but i'm not. I beleive our freedom is something to fight for. it's not going to be a mad thrash, it'll be quite the opposite.
It will however be a good laugh in good company.
Go or come and enjoy.
you've been watching braveheart, hav'nt you?
Hu!!!
Not as much as you it seems!
Will we see you there?
ravingdavis
11-09-09, 08:25 PM
So who's meeting at Bassetts Pole;
Veefer
Cog Head
Duke man (Ian)
ravingdavis
evertheoptimist
11-09-09, 10:15 PM
a lot of guys are heading up the A5 from mids area and meeting at spread eagle pub gailey island 10-1030 then ride on together to ponderosa cafe
Fair play Hovis, good man, I would'nt make it round the block!
Fair play Hovis, good man, I would'nt make it round the block!
:confused:
:confused:
The running part:smt119
Noble Ox
12-09-09, 08:05 PM
[QUOTE=veefer;2032577]For those closer to Quatt cafe you can meet us there at 9ish, just make yourself known as I only know a few of ya.
So who's meeting at Bassetts Pole;
Veefer
Cog Head
Duke man (Ian)
I'll be at Bassetts for 8. Have no friends tho! If you spot me (07, Micron can) say hello and maybe I can make some new ones?
Aran
ravingdavis
12-09-09, 08:46 PM
I'll be at Bassetts for 8. Have no friends tho! If you spot me (07, Micron can) say hello and maybe I can make some new ones?
Aran
Same here mate, im friendless too, I should be at Bassetts for about that time. Ill give you a shout if I spot ya, ill be on a yellow 54 plate with a remus can.
At Bassetts look out for my red viffer and Cogs red 749S.
I'm gona put a red and white cross on my screen, feeling patriotic.
Cheers, Ian
Noble Ox
13-09-09, 06:30 AM
Nice one. Taking my villa top too. If I strap on a pair I mite wear it over the top of my jacket!!! See you there.
So how many points have you lot come away with?
;)
evertheoptimist
13-09-09, 07:40 PM
no points that I know of but will be watching the post apprehensively, but what an absolutely brilliant awesome day Ive never seen so many bikers they were everywhere there must have been thousands we certaintly reclaimed north wales and brought it to a standstill . The police took a low profile the odd cop here and there and the helicopter in the sky but they never stopped any bikers there was too many and it would have caused even more chaos so small number plates loud cans and black visors were totally acceptable for today anyway !!
I saw a few bikes pulled over on the way home, however they did overtake me going pretty fast a few miles before so probably deserved it and that was outside a police station.
It appears the police may be getting the message.
It was pretty crazy, only time I have been filtering past cars and have other bikes filter past me at the same time. Wouldn't exactly say it was a good day biking wise as the roads were too busy to enjoy them but just seeing so many bikes was worth it.
evertheoptimist
13-09-09, 08:01 PM
yes it was brilliant filterers overtaking filterers while being overtaken themselves lol well everybody has there own perception of when its safe to filter and some people have less confidence thats why you had filterers overtaking each other as well as the stationary cars as long as its all done safely its not a problem.
Gene genie
13-09-09, 08:35 PM
any piccys people?
Quiff Wichard
13-09-09, 08:53 PM
well me n mandy went up to Bala to watch the wite water kayaking etc then back alone the colwyn bay llandudno road to see soem sights I used to go to as a kid..
we went up the ponderosa "just to see" took us nearly an hour.. we stopped and took some pics. was good to see so many bikes but not good for riding.. .. nose to tail..
will post them in a min
Cog Head
13-09-09, 09:11 PM
what an epic day, thank fec my cooling fans work, must have spent at least 2 hours in solid traffic (car park conditions) had to get off my bike a few times cus my nakers where gettng to hot!!!
my bike decided it wanted to die n the pub carpark at Bets-y-Coed, so i tool the side panal off to get in at the electrics, and found my fuel pump relay to not be latching, AT ALL! so we some how mannaged to gain access to the electrics box, with a bit of brute force, and bending of heat shields, i got the relay off and remembered that the 2 feeds for the pump are easily accessable, so in went some cable to both sides of the feeds, sticking out the fairing where 2 little bits of red wite with copper exposed on each of them, to start the bike i had to short them out and this would put the pump in "permenant prime" then it would start.
from then on the roads we fell upon are to rivel the ones i rode on in germany! REALLY VERRY good!
iv landed now and put the duke to bed, ill have a look at it tomorrow.
beer in hand and dinner in the microwave, see ya sooooooon :smt039
christopher
13-09-09, 09:31 PM
Some pictures here (http://www.wheelshots.com/Motorcycles/Ride-Outs-and-Bike-Meets/MCN-Invade-Wales-day-Ponderosa/9617454_kcYLb#648082721_rwN9Q) (not associated with that site, just found the link).
Spot the SV? Location: Ponderosa Cafe
http://www.wheelshots.com/photos/648099689_aE2xv-XL-1.jpg
...must have spent at least 2 hours in solid traffic (car park conditions) had to get off my bike a few times cus my nakers where gettng to hot!!!
Sounds like a good days riding. ;)
ravingdavis
13-09-09, 10:25 PM
I had a great time in Wales today! Cant believe there were so many bikes, the numbers you could see were just staggering, then the roads and the views were amazing, an awesome days riding I think. :D
speedplay
13-09-09, 10:44 PM
I had a great time in Wales today! Cant believe there were so many bikes, the numbers you could see were just staggering, then the roads and the views were amazing, an awesome days riding I think. :D
That does not look like a good days riding!!
http://www.wheelshots.com/photos/648099689_aE2xv-XL-1.jpg
That looks like loads of bikes, loads of traffic and wasting the sunshine sat behind someone else!
Luckypants
13-09-09, 10:50 PM
well me n mandy went up to Bala to watch the wite water kayaking
Did you see me daughter then Quiff? She won the ladies event :D
She also reports there was some pretty rubbish riding (as did my son - a biker himself) on the A5. A question of perspective perhaps?
ravingdavis
13-09-09, 10:57 PM
That does not look like a good days riding!!
That looks like loads of bikes, loads of traffic and wasting the sunshine sat behind someone else!
The picture shows just one road, believe it or not Wales has more than one road! ;)
speedplay
14-09-09, 08:43 AM
The picture shows just one road, believe it or not Wales has more than one road! ;)
I think I already know that:rolleyes:
Some friends went up there for this "rideout" and also said it was too busy.
Yes its great to get out with other bikers but not 50% of the uks bikers all at the same time!
Each to their own I suppose.
It wasn't a great day's riding but that wasn't really the point. I could have spent the day riding much better roads that didn't require 2 hours on the motorway to get to but I chose to go and show my support for a worth cause instead.
But as you said, each to their own
plowsie
14-09-09, 08:51 AM
worth cause
Which was?
Sounds like there wasn't much police attention...
speedplay
14-09-09, 09:03 AM
Sounds like there wasn't much police attention...
They will keep their heads down, wait till next weekend when all the bikers think there was some great victory over the welsh roads and book twice as many next week.
Luckypants
14-09-09, 10:45 AM
They will keep their heads down, wait till next weekend when all the bikers think there was some great victory over the welsh roads and book twice as many next week.
Tis the worry of many locals.... :(
Elan Valley ride anyone? :rolleyes:
glad i did not go.
sounds like a lot of hanging about, not realy my cup of tea,
slark01
14-09-09, 11:10 AM
I said it before and i'll say it again " a complete waste of time and money!".
Where is the victory in this protest. Wait I know...MCN have something else to write about that is utterly carp!
Ste.
Speedy Claire
14-09-09, 11:16 AM
They will keep their heads down, wait till next weekend when all the bikers think there was some great victory over the welsh roads and book twice as many next week.
Fair play it was a nice idea but I daresay MCN didn`t think of the far reaching consequences of their actions... it`s going to be hard going for the people that have no choice but to ride those roads every day. Those that only ride them when the weather is nice are claiming "we`ve well and truly won back North Wales" Have they? how do they think they have? I`m sure the police are now going to come back with a vengence just to demonstrate that they won`t bow down to this little protest.
madness
14-09-09, 11:16 AM
So, has this done bikers any good whatsoever? From what I've heard and read, it appears to have just been just an exercise in annoying locals and other road users. A mate of mine went over and the story he tells is of disorganised chaos.
Speedy Claire
14-09-09, 11:25 AM
So, has this done bikers any good whatsoever? From what I've heard and read, it appears to have just been just an exercise in annoying locals and other road users. A mate of mine went over and the story he tells is of disorganised chaos.
Thats the impression I`ve been given too........ the police were pulling people into the pavillion at Llangollen at around 2.30 when they had to stop for the traffic lights.
Also, 5 related crashes and one ? fatality
I`m sure the police are now going to come back with a vengence just to demonstrate that they won`t bow down to this little protest.
I am willing to bet that this will be the case
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Also, 5 related crashes and one ? fatality
This happened yesterday as part of the 'Reclaim Wales' ride? :eek:
Job done and point proven then isn't it. :( Policing justified.
speedplay
14-09-09, 11:54 AM
Its also worth noting that there was a suprising lack of unmarked police bikes in the northampton and lincs areas this weekend....
Nice sunny weather, great roads all usually being ridden by "stealth" bikes....
nothing this weekend, I doubt they all took the weekend off...
Speedy Claire
14-09-09, 11:58 AM
This happened yesterday as part of the 'Reclaim Wales' ride? :eek:
Job done and point proven then isn't it. :( Policing justified.
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2009/09/14/3-000-bikers-reclaim-north-wales-55578-24680345/
IrishRob
14-09-09, 12:03 PM
I'm with the most recent posters on this one - strikes me as a ridiculous action. As if it is going to reduce the number of police on the roads in the future, not a hope. All these bikers following MCN's lead, like sheep, to North Wales, how appropriate.
Considering we are such a minority, and often treat the roads as a playgound, I think we get a heck of a lot of concessions from the police / other road users. I actually feel embarrassed sometimes by the amount of cars that move to the side to let me through.
plowsie
14-09-09, 12:20 PM
and often treat the roads as a playgound
And this is the key problem and more so, the Police in North Wales' problem, North Wales is smooth, lovely views and fast if you get it right, like a racetrack, the people who use it like that are the ones that are spoiling it for the others...aka the ones who actually care and turned up to this 'protest'.
I for one, couldn't give a monkeys whether the police stop me and will turn up to North Wales whatever happens. I severely doubt that this dissorganised cattle gathering has worked at all, and merely made them say (to quote the great ASM) 'Meh!'. Looks like there was a really good example set by some also...
Quiff Wichard
14-09-09, 02:01 PM
Did you see me daughter then Quiff? She won the ladies event :D
She also reports there was some pretty rubbish riding (as did my son - a biker himself) on the A5. A question of perspective perhaps?
hi Mike. we didnt see a competition.. ??
just the Kayaks and the rafting..
and had a loovely pannini... roads were poor up n over there .. soo slow.. we then went down to ffestiniog and blanaue fest and up throught the slates etc and over o Llandudno then colwn bay and along the coast to where mum n dads caavan used to be.. was a good day ...except for all the bloody bikers in the way . hey about 350 miles and fresh as a daisy when home.. I wouldnt have been able to walk today if I did that on the gixer
Quiff Wichard
14-09-09, 02:09 PM
we passed the wreckage of that crash where the guy was airlifted away .. 2 bikes in total bits 2 police cars and an ambulance.. was not a nice sight.. then on way home at half 8 on the chester /wrexham /nantwich junction a poor kid had been hit on the x roads and come off his scooter-- all was left was a frame !! scary.. and about 5 people around him on the floor- police and medics.. didnt look good.
We didnt go for the protest and tried stay out the way but it was tempting to go ponderosa and wish we hadnt as it took an hour to get up n over.. ..
Bala was good though..
reccomend anyone to turn off and stop there to watch the rafters and kayaks.. great fun, and there is a lovely wood walk up the side of the river mandy loved it..
he Mike.. at the end of that road.. the small garage with Mr Grumpy in it.. ? he was moaning about how it was too busy and he had been full of bikers all day ! lol.. i said bit dont you own it? isnt it all money for you, you not on an hourly rate so busier is better.. he chunnered how thye all fill up, move the bike forward and someone else fills up etc etc and then he couldnt keep tabs on it..
I have NEVER seen that bloke in a good mood.. ha
Quiff Wichard
14-09-09, 02:17 PM
we called in for a brew at prees truck stop. on the way . there was a street fighters meet on there too..
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the road up to the ponderosa.. pulled over for 5 as we were goin nowhere.. nice smells of clutch burn from all the cars.. mann some were peed off with the lack of movement.ruining their sunday trip out..
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b326/sigourneysbeaver/DSCF6009-3.jpg
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I had a great time in Wales today! Cant believe there were so many bikes, the numbers you could see were just staggering, then the roads and the views were amazing, an awesome days riding I think. :D
This guy has earnt major street cred today, He passed his das on wednesday and joined an advanced group who know how to enjoy themselves in wales.
He listened to the advice given and did a great day's riding, he was'nt expected to keep up or put under any preasure to do so but was never left behind.
As his post say's, he and the rest of the group had an awsome days riding.
Possibly one of the best i've ever had.
Yes we sat in traffic ques but that part made the rest even better. 13 hrs of total fun
evertheoptimist
14-09-09, 08:00 PM
well it was never meant to be a good days riding it was a protest rally/meet a show of numbers who did not like the attitude and actions of the NW police and such it was an overwhelming success, think it exceeded everyones expectations , but i certainly got some good riding in as well .
Speedy Claire
14-09-09, 08:35 PM
well it was never meant to be a good days riding it was a protest rally/meet a show of numbers who did not like the attitude and actions of the NW police and such it was an overwhelming success, think it exceeded everyones expectations , but i certainly got some good riding in as well .
I don`t mean to be a party pooper but how was it an overwhelming success exactly? yes a large number of bikers turned up en masse to say collectively "we don`t like the attitude of the North Wales police force" so from that point of view it was a success
BUT........
how is this going to change things for bikers wishing to spend a nice day out in North Wales?
is it going to make North Wales police force change their policy and the way they treat bikers? the answer is a resounding NO. Nothing is going to change!
In my opinion all MCN have done is given motorcylists even more bad press on the roads of North Wales as this protest/demo/rally has no doubt caused hundreds of people to curse bikers due to the major traffic delays in North Wales yesterday. I also feel that the police are no doubt thanking MCN as due to their protest/demo/rally they now have another 5 motorcylists to add to their motorbike casualty statistics.
Luckypants
14-09-09, 10:03 PM
... advanced group who know how to enjoy themselves in wales.
Slight aside, what do you mean by an advanced group? Are you IAM? Bet the sight of all those Pan-Europeans had a few bikes checking their speed! :D
It was a wantant show of force delivered exactly as planned and probably exceeded MCN's expectations, it goes to show that when enough people want to show their feelings they can pull together and make a difference, not everybody there was a "two wheel terorists", if you have a look at some of the press reports that certainly was'nt the case, the people that should be targeted are the usuall minoroty of repeat offending thugs and theives that systematicaly degrade society, i hear the crime figures in north wales have rissen due to the lack of police recources, guess where they went?
If nobody protested about things they feel passionate about we would live in a really **** world, take the case of the gukhas, it took a celebrity and the major press but it got the job done, so how can you say that protesting won't get you anywere.
If nothing else we had a good day out with a massive show of solidarity.
The casualties statistically would have happened anyway if not in wales. Do they victimise the cimbers,walkers,scramblers,horse riders,jet skiers, surfers etc that all need the same amount of police recources as bikers do, I bet not. How many sunday league footballers went to hospital yesteday, more than 5 I wager, they probably did'nt have a fatality but do we know how it happened anyway. Do any of the afore mentioned groups get charged or fined when things go wrong, I bet not.
Lighten up folks, we all know the risks when we put the key in the ignition, If I was'nt riding a bike I would be doing some thing equally as dangerous.
Luckypants
14-09-09, 10:32 PM
the people that should be targeted are the usuall minoroty of repeat offending thugs and theives that systematicaly degrade society, i hear the crime figures in north wales have rissen due to the lack of police recources, guess where they went?
Veefer you are preaching to the converted here! Interesting to look at the 'real crime' figures before Brunstrom and after his arrival. They improved latterly after it became obvious that his methods were not as effective, but 'mysteriously' it is now very hard to find directly comparable stats for the before / after effect.
But still that is a side issue to the protest - I'll be interested to hear of peoples experiences in the next few weeks to see if it has made any difference one way or the other. Certainly the noises emanating from Colwyn Bay are not encouraging.
evertheoptimist
15-09-09, 09:24 PM
I disagree entirely its the police that are getting the bad press not MCN and all the bikers the people I met in NW seemed happy to see us and speak to us, and all the restaurants,cafes, pubs, petrol stations shops etc had a field day they wish we would come back every weekend. The Traffic chaos was confined to half a dozen roads at the most and the local people surely would have had the common sense to avoid those roads. five accidents is not excessive when you have 3000 bikers altogether in a small location. My view is the chief of NW police will want to avoid anymore negative publicity it could affect his chances of an M.B.E..... It seems to me all the negative comments are coming from people who didnt even go ??? Everyone I know who went had a fantastic day out regardless of whether or not it was a success regarding the issue.
Speedy Claire
15-09-09, 10:34 PM
I disagree entirely its the police that are getting the bad press not MCN and all the bikers the people I met in NW seemed happy to see us and speak to us, and all the restaurants,cafes, pubs, petrol stations shops etc had a field day they wish we would come back every weekend. The Traffic chaos was confined to half a dozen roads at the most and the local people surely would have had the common sense to avoid those roads. five accidents is not excessive when you have 3000 bikers altogether in a small location. My view is the chief of NW police will want to avoid anymore negative publicity it could affect his chances of an M.B.E..... It seems to me all the negative comments are coming from people who didnt even go ??? Everyone I know who went had a fantastic day out regardless of whether or not it was a success regarding the issue.
I`m not saying that those that attended didn`t have a good day out... all i`m saying is that to me I feel it can only be judged as a success if the police change their tactics which lets face it is not going to happen!
Personally I ride in North Wales whenever I want and have never been stopped despite the fact that I have an illegal number plate and an illegal exhaust.
Luckypants
15-09-09, 11:06 PM
much sense
My view is the chief of NW police will want to avoid anymore negative publicity it could affect his chances of an M.B.E..... If you mean Brunstrom, he retired in June (or was it July) and will no doubt say this is nowt to do with him...
It seems to me all the negative comments are coming from people who didnt even go ??? Everyone I know who went had a fantastic day out regardless of whether or not it was a success regarding the issue.
Quite likely, or more exactly locals who will now deal with the aftermath.
Tonight I spoke to the first local biker I have seen since the event. A nice guy in his 60s with a new (to him) Fazer thou, years of riding experience, bad back and a laid back attitude. He lives in my village. He went on the event. Because he is local he avoided the A5 chaos and headed to Betws via the coast. He was stopped on his way there for THE FIRST TIME in his biking career, his mate had a small plate and dark visor. Done for both. They were stopped again a mile down the road and threatened with being done again. Now, the coppers were being arses as the plate was not that small apparently and it was really sunny on Sunday... this is the intolerant attitude that MCN et al were protesting about. BUT, the coppers were out to 'get bikers' in this gentleman's words, an attitude that we locals now have to live with even more!
and if any of N. Wales' finest are reading this, all you achieved is the alienation of yet another nice, law abiding citizen!
I am mightily fed up of N. Wales police's attitude to bikes but I feel that MCN's protest will just harden attitudes in the force. I pray the new Chief ****stable has a more enlightened attitude that trickles down to the plod on the road.
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