quick bike q's

[AndyBrad]

Ok just a quick one

Sv1000 or raptor (both naked)

i keep hearing about the suspension on both being a bit poor. Seeing as i like in pot hole city (hudds voted worst roads in the uk) and we have hills up in the north :) im after something thats goingt o be nice and stable.

Are either of the above any good? or will they need upgrades like the sv650?

[Amanda M]

I had a raptor 1000. KitKat has one at the minute. Nowt wrong with the suspension on them and they're good fun to ride. Most have problems with the back brake though (Ask DirtyDog and KitKat). Try www.raptorchapter.com (http://www.raptorchapter.com) if you fancy getting one.

[Dave20046]

Yeah I've heard of the back brake issues, Carnivore has one and rates it other than that I believe. I wouldn't mind one neither, worth having just for the sound :razz:

I've had a go down the burnham bends on a sv1000 and I wasn't as fond of it, it felt boggy lower down and not quite as nimble. Faster roads it probably eats though. Although I might have just not been happy with my experience as I was pretty distracted by not wanted to crash the thing! Depends on the riding you do I guess.
I'm guessing the SV thou is pretty much on the same budget suspension as the SV so probably would benefit from the usual mods.

[dizzyblonde]

Raptor far superior to SV1000. The usual phrase that comes out of carnivores mouth 'TL1000S engine, detuned for more torque. Sat in Italian geometry for much better handling and fun'
Yes Carnvore is the one that is the expert on that darn back brake issue. Hey I might even steal it out of my own shed and ride it one day, before she leaves for good :-(...mwahahahahaha
I'm sure if I asked him nicely you could come and have an ogle at her. He'd also give you all the ups and downs(which there aren't many downs) of them.
Suspension is fine on the Raptor better than the SV, plus the brakes are Brembos, so much better too.

Mind you saying that, you've seen her before, ahh what the hell, come and drool some more! :-)

[the_lone_wolf]

Seeing as i like in pot hole city (hudds voted worst roads in the uk) and we have hills up in the north :) im after something thats goingt o be nice and stable.KTM Adventure S

10.3" suspension travel front and back, speedbumps no longer exist:p:cool:

[plowsie]

The SV1000 is not crap on the suspendies, people say the SV1000 and the SV650 are similar. In fact, from reading reports from others and talking to one member in particular about his, they are highly dissimilar.

Best way to see what you like is test ride them both if you can Andy :)

[ophic]

SV1000 suspension is not budget like the 650. No idea how it stacks up against the raptor though.

[AndyBrad]

Aye i understand its better but by how much, with talk of people swapping to gsxr forks it makes me worried. The raptor has usd forks as standard so thats nice :)

[plowsie]

Aye i understand its better but by how much, with talk of people swapping to gsxr forks it makes me worried. The raptor has usd forks as standard so thats nice :)
Erm, that is the pointy SV650's that swap to Gixxer forks mate, not so many swaps on the SV1000. Thats not to say there haven't been any.

[Owenski]

Yeah I've heard of the back brake issues, Carnivore has one and rates it other than that I believe. I wouldn't mind one neither, worth having just for the sound :razz:

I've had a go down the burnham bends on a sv1000 and I wasn't as fond of it, it felt boggy lower down and not quite as nimble. Faster roads it probably eats though. Although I might have just not been happy with my experience as I was pretty distracted by not wanted to crash the thing! Depends on the riding you do I guess.
I'm guessing the SV thou is pretty much on the same budget suspension as the SV so probably would benefit from the usual mods.

plus from what i remember dave, you were hung over to fek! lol was a good ride though that.

[dizzyblonde]

Aye i understand its better but by how much, with talk of people swapping to gsxr forks it makes me worried. The raptor has usd forks as standard so thats nice :)

AFAIK...if you got an Xtra Rap(which you won't as they are as rare as rocking horse poo, and I'd get there first:)) you get full Ohlins suspension as standard.
The standard VRap and nakid Raptor have something else. Yes you have USD as standard, and I think I'm right in saying there is a good mod, for R6 fork internals that do a nice job for it(I could be slightly wrong with the info there, but bike modding is teeth pulling boring to me and I fall asleep listening!).
Like I said, anything you wish to know, just drop us a PM and I'll get Matt to give you any info you require. Hes not on here so often as he doesn't have much internet access back at his folks. Matts seriously into having his bike modded and handling correctly....if a tad lazy at it:rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

KTM Adventure S

10.3" suspension travel front and back, speedbumps no longer exist:p:cool:

But andy is a bit err deficient in the inside leg department, so his stumpy little pins would just wave uselessly in the air.

SV1000 suspension is not budget like the 650. No idea how it stacks up against the raptor though.

It is budget, just a higher budget ;-)

Edit: Look here (http://old.racetech.com/evalving/SpringRateCalculation/dirtspring.asp?brand=Suzuki&yr=03-07&ml=SV1000S&formuse=form1&SpringType=Fork), this reckons the SV1000 gets big-boy spring rates rather than the baby springs on the 650.

You get cartridge forks, which could be revalved to work as well as any other setup, and 4-pot front calipers.


The standard VRap and nakid Raptor have something else. Yes you have USD as standard, and I think I'm right in saying there is a good mod, for R6 fork internals that do a nice job for it(I could be slightly wrong with the info there, but bike modding is teeth pulling boring to me and I fall asleep listening!).


USD forks =/= good forks.
I had a read of this, basically fit R1 fork cartridges and top caps to gain rebound adjustability.



I've helped out with some of the bits and bobs on carnivores V-rap thou, and have fair experience of the brembo brake setups (had the cagiva 125 which is same brakes).

The caliper bodies are excellent, they are pretty deep anodising by the look of it, so the rotting around the dust seals like on suzukis doesn't happen. The pistons are also PTFE coated by the look of it, which means the regular rebuilding is much less of a pain in the rse!
Rear master cylinders are flawed and sieze up, leading to the bleeding issues. Healthy, they aren't bad to bleed.

But the rap does have its flaws. Being a wop means some easy things are a pain in the backside, like seat lock exposed to all manner of crap, expensive bodywork.

If I was going to bother I'd get the real thing and go TL1000S.

[the_lone_wolf]

But andy is a bit err deficient in the inside leg department, so his stumpy little pins would just wave uselessly in the air.

I have relatively long legs and they wave uselessly in the air:smt100

[AndyBrad]

I have relatively long legs and they wave uselessly in the air:smt100

do we really want to know about this? :)

whats a wop chris?

just looking at the mo as they seem to be quite cheep for what they are. i like the x rap (lots of carbon and im a tart :) ) and the nekkid one is cool as well. if only the sv1000 could have a black frame then i would have been sold i think.

Again just wondering.

[yorkie_chris]

A wop = an italian

[AndyBrad]

ooooh,

actually give us a few others to look at. lets say you had 3k to spend on a bike. Now most importantly it has to look cool :) i want to pull up at home or at work and people go hey look at andy on that really cool bike :) so extra plus points for things shiny or carbon. next it has to be somthing that is going to survive the winter under a cover. while i may not ride it in the snow it will get used. And lastly extra points for something i could actually ride (although not that important a consideration :) )

[yorkie_chris]

Vrap then. Also sound like doom.

Xrap would be cool but not enough of them made. Just don't crash because you will cry at the cost of plastic.

Oh and lube the suspension, it doesn't get done as stock.

[Dave20046]

Naked? Check the reviews threads rustys reviewed loads then just go on ebay and see what you can get second hand

[Dave20046]

Xrap would be cool but not enough of them made.
I feel privileged to have had a go on one then :riding:

[AndyBrad]

reviews threads?

aye i like the idea of the rap / tho after hearing matts and getting complaints fron next door down. i think if i got a couple of race cans on it it should be loud enough at 7am :) MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[yorkie_chris]

Ohhhh yeah.

I'd get TLS or the raptor for sure. I don't think there's anything special about the SV1000

[fizzwheel]

Yorkie Chris will probably be able to answer this, but which year GSXR-750 are the SV 1000 forks off of... I cant see them being that sh*te TBH.

I've read a post of Sid Squids before where he says they are perfectly adequate by may need a little setting up to get the best out of them.

[dizzyblonde]

Vrap then. Also sound like doom.

Xrap would be cool but not enough of them made. Just don't crash because you will cry at the cost of plastic.

Oh and lube the suspension, it doesn't get done as stock.

mawwahaha yes it sounds like doom doesn't it Chris:cool:
Not only is the Xtra rap hard for parts but so is the VRap, which is why most folks go nakid. The Xtra is somewhat special, and it would make you cry very much if you dropped it. Just for example, a normal set of original plastic 'horns' for the Vrap would set you back around £340......I wouldn;t like to hazard a guess how much a set of carbon fibre ones from the Xtra would be.
Things do pop up on ebay, but you can imagine how many people bid, and how much auctions go up to for rarer parts. You won't find a Vrap/Xtra headlight unit for toffee, and very rarely indicator lenses.

As for the appeal and looking cool, the Vrap certainly gets people having a good gander, as there aren;t too many about and they are a love em or hate em bike. I personally love them. They are perfectly set up for the vertically challenged as they are tiny. As Stu once said at Aro8....wow the seat is knee high! I can put both feet flat on the floor with room for bent knees on its standard set up, but now with the jack up kit(put there for sharper handling and to get it to lean into that god awful upright sidestand) I can still put them flat.

[yorkie_chris]

No way are they off any 750. 750 has had upside down stuff since 1990 L model.

Maybe are same as SRAD or K1-K3. Cartridges, who knows. I do not think they would be valved same as GSXR though.

[kwak zzr]

i found the sv1000s planted :) stable at 100+ speeds unlike its little brother, the big sv was the first bike i got my knee down on, i enjoyed the handling, it does need muscling around tho.

[missyburd]

I thought you wanted a bike with a decent pillion seat for your lass Andy? If I remember rightly, ain't the Raptor's tiiiny? Or will this be a strictly Andy playtime motorsickle :-P

[dizzyblonde]

No the pillion seat isn't tiny. I have sat on the back for a journey to Norwich when we picked up my black SV. Theres just no grab rail on the standard rear. Matt was fortunate to have one come with bike as extra, as when the bike was new you got the choice of seat cowl or grab rail IIRC
The Raptor seat is a little like a plank of wood to sit on, like most bikes, but Matt remedied this by having Tony Archer put in a gel section under the original leather covering, wish he'd done the rear as well!!

[ThEGr33k]

Tuono. Ultimate naked twin. :)


I've read a post of Sid Squids before where he says they are perfectly adequate by may need a little setting up to get the best out of them.

That is pretty much any fork... Some are better than others at stock, But then that depends how the rider likes them and how many pies they have eaten as to how the stock settings feel.

I cant see the SV1000 forks being anything but fine. The only reason people go for the Gixxer USD's is for a slightly better fork and (mostly id imagine) better brakes.

Go test ride them and figure out what you like.

Ill say this though (if you must go for either of the TL powered bikes), the SV will be easier to get parts for, as there were more built (so more to break) and they have better dealers.

Ciao

[yorkie_chris]

SV1000 calipers are same as gixxer.
Maybe if you fit K1-3 stuff and you get 320mm rotor not 310mm.

[ophic]

ooooh,

actually give us a few others to look at. lets say you had 3k to spend on a bike. Now most importantly it has to look cool :) i want to pull up at home or at work and people go hey look at andy on that really cool bike :) so extra plus points for things shiny or carbon. next it has to be somthing that is going to survive the winter under a cover. while i may not ride it in the snow it will get used. And lastly extra points for something i could actually ride (although not that important a consideration :) )
you want a Harley! :p :king:

[Dave20046]

you want a Harley! :p :king:
+ sunglasses + shotgun
The above are the mods required to make a harley 'cool'

[Owenski]

+ sunglasses + shotgun
The above are the mods required to make a harley 'cool'

you watch terminator 2 last night then dave?

[Dave20046]

you watch terminator 2 last night then dave?
Nah I'm well over due for a re-watch though.

Andy if you do go for one I suggest you don't walk up to bikers asking for their clothes.

[AndyBrad]

aye well she would love a harley with a seat on the back. Cant tho!!

turno is ace but £££

[yorkie_chris]

TL motor can be brought up to tuono levels of performance.

[AndyBrad]

Just wondering what peoples thourghts on the xjr1300 were?

Possably a bit too heavy but its been given the ok by the missus because its got a big seat :)

[dirtydog]

I had a raptor 1000. KitKat has one at the minute. Nowt wrong with the suspension on them and they're good fun to ride. Most have problems with the back brake though (Ask DirtyDog and KitKat). Try www.raptorchapter.com (http://www.raptorchapter.com) if you fancy getting one.

Don't even mention the rear brake! :mad:. Front brakes are awesome but back is pretty much just for show, at one point I was considering fitting a thumb operated rear brake just to get rid of that awful master cylinder!

He'd also give you all the ups :-)

That'll be the front wheel then :cool:

I thought you wanted a bike with a decent pillion seat for your lass Andy? If I remember rightly, ain't the Raptor's tiiiny? Or will this be a strictly Andy playtime motorsickle :-P

Kitkat says the pillion seat was fine when she was on it and I don't think Sarah was uncomfortable on it either, apparently the only major problem with going pillion was me being the rider :smt019.
I didn't like how it handled down the bumpier roads with a pillion as the bars were shaking all over the place.

I'm not overly keen on the V rap but it is growing on me a bit

[AndyBrad]

Don't even mention the rear brake! :mad:. Front brakes are awesome but back is pretty much just for show, at one point I was considering fitting a thumb operated rear brake just to get rid of that awful master cylinder!


I didn't like how it handled down the bumpier roads with a pillion as the bars were shaking all over the place.

I'm not overly keen on the V rap but it is growing on me a bit


hmm thats making me want to give it a miss?

im looking for somethings thats going to be really cool, and not kill me preferably. a nice pillion seat is also a bonus.

still stuck. a monster keeps popping up but its a lot of cash for not a lot of bike

[dirtydog]

The Rap is still an excellent bike and I was considering getting one myself once my Tornado is sold. The issues we've hadwith the rear brake are down to KK not using the brake ever. The handling would be easily sorted with some jackup plates


Oh and the only other problem we've had with it in 3 years was a broken wire on the banjo bolt switch.

[yorkie_chris]

That is pretty much any fork... Some are better than others at stock, But then that depends how the rider likes them and how many pies they have eaten as to how the stock settings feel.

I cant see the SV1000 forks being anything but fine. The only reason people go for the Gixxer USD's is for a slightly better fork and (mostly id imagine) better brakes.

Re. forks, most are set up so idiot owners don't come crying when they're dead. Notably too little rebound damping in lots of forks.

Regarding gixxer-swap on the thou, I think most of it is "oooh look at the shiny-shiny"

[AndyBrad]

Any thourgths on the xjr chris?

[yorkie_chris]

They do nothing for me, they're nothing special.

[dizzyblonde]

Best mate in France after selling her 1977 z1000, put her heart on an XJR1300. She really loved the look of them. Bearing in mind that this woman can handle a fecking huge lump with ease, and thinks little bikes are for girls.

She took one for a test ride....went a few miles down the road, and went back to hand the keys in, as she thought it was crap. Went and bought a Blandit 1200 for some reason, but thinks its much better in comparison to the XJ

[yorkie_chris]

GS1000 with some modern running gear on it, now you're talking.