WARNING CONTAINS SWEARING: Chav fool!

[TazDaz]

Warning, CONTAINS SWEARING.

Chav tries to pick on a normal looking biker dude. Fail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tirfki7NDl8

[zsv650]

wow a genuine look at devolution taking place.

[Red Herring]

Oh isn't justice so sweet sometimes...

[barwel1992]

haha good lad to be honest if i had the skill like he did i would have drop kicked the tw*t lol

[yorkie_chris]

Heh, great. Patience of a saint that guy had.

[lukemillar]

Looks like Soulkiss :p

[yorkie_chris]

Love the little "get back up" hand gesture at 2:33.

Is that guy southpaw, or just some weird martial art that does things backwards?

[DarrenSV650S]

So did he get his ball back?

[Noble Ox]

Yeh but you can never win with these lowlives. He would of been back in the night and wrecked his bike. Shame they have no.... dont no the word!!! Makes me soo angry. To me violence is the last resort and in the 'ideal' world it should end at that, regardless of who 'won'. But these barstewards dont know when to stop.

[the_lone_wolf]

Superb, chav scrote makes all the motions and all the noise, all his scrote associates laughing at the fat ninja wannabe, bloke takes one shot and floors him out of nowhere:mrgreen:

[GeneticBubble]

Chav = Epic fail, and infront of an audience.

the guy should of picked him up and put him in the bin though for the win

looks like the guys knows ninjitsu :smt027

[DarrenSV650S]

Superb, chav scrote makes all the motions and all the noise, all his scrote associates laughing at the fat ninja wannabe, bloke takes one shot and floors him out of nowhere:mrgreen:
Yeh that's what I saw too

[Woz]

Love the way how the big fella at the gate wants nothing to do with it.

[the_lone_wolf]

Yeh that's what I saw too

Put your handbags away ya stroppy mare:rolleyes:

[DarrenSV650S]

I thought you were describing it for the blind ;)

[Dave20046]

fooking love it. chav scum crawled away quite rightfully and one of his scummy brethren even closed the gate behind! Genius.

[custard]

Love the little "get back up" hand gesture at 2:33.

Is that guy southpaw, or just some weird martial art that does things backwards?

according to the black belt missus its, aikedo and yes a southpaw. she reckons he is punched in the adams apple - note expression on his face as he crawls away.

the most beautiful thing i have ever seen!

how he can stand and take that for such a long time is unreal.

[Daimo]

Found out his name.

Les Andrews

[flymo]

I recognise the lovely accent.......not. sounds like not too far from me. Not sure what you normally use the word 'chav' to describe but around here that certainly isnt one. Scally maybe.

[yorkie_chris]

according to the black belt missus its, aikedo and yes a southpaw. she reckons he is punched in the adams apple - note expression on his face as he crawls away.

the most beautiful thing i have ever seen!

how he can stand and take that for such a long time is unreal.





I've read about such techniques, not much room in between "funny chav fail" and "pigs charge decent chap for manslaughter defending himself". :smt085

[Bluefish]

he got off lightly, well funny.

[ethariel]

I'll be happy to buy that chap a pint any day!

[maviczap]

Yeh but you can never win with these lowlives. He would of been back in the night and wrecked his bike. Shame they have no.... dont no the word!!! Makes me soo angry. To me violence is the last resort and in the 'ideal' world it should end at that, regardless of who 'won'. But these barstewards dont know when to stop.

+1 Very dangerous to take these sorts on, but good on him for holding out so long.

Looks like he's been in some bother already, as his front door had plywood where the glass should be.

I'd like to know why it all kicked off in the first place :confused:

[Dave20046]

+1 Very dangerous to take these sorts on, but good on him for holding out so long.

Looks like he's been in some bother already, as his front door had plywood where the glass should be.

I'd like to know why it all kicked off in the first place :confused:
Says on the youtube comments (trustworthy info resource :rolleyes: ) he caught lesley trying to nick his bike.

[Spiderman]

according to the black belt missus its, aikedo and yes a southpaw. she reckons he is punched in the adams apple - note expression on his face as he crawls away.


Not Aikido, i did that for a while and its not the stance or technique. Aiido frowns of striking techiques. Its a defensive art traditionally. From his stance and movements i'd say its Savat or perhaps even some derivation of Ju Jitsu, either way it was a well timed punch and so richly deserved :laughat:

Loved the way he had to crawl and then stumble away. Scumbag.

[GeneticBubble]

[QUOTE=Spiderman;2050153 i'd say its Savat or perhaps even some derivation of Ju Jitsu,[/QUOTE]

Does look like what they teach in ninjitsu stance wise.

[Spiderman]

Stance yes but hands are way too low. M mate is a Ju Jitsu instructor and if he saw me with my hands that low he'd kick my butt just to teach me a lesson, lol.

[dizzyblonde]

I was waiting for him to shove his head in the bin, and close the lid:smt005

Patience is a virtue as they say

[gruntygiggles]

Well, I've been watching This Morning most of this week as they have had a woman on the show two days running who is being seriously harrassed by people like this. It's been on the show in light of the woman who killed herself and her daughter following years of this type of abuse and the woman that has been on the show has had to endure years of bricks through the window, car being burned again and again, so insurance cost trebling each time. She's been unable to get her son to the hospital when he's needed it and she's said that she's not at all suprised that a woman took her likfe and killed her child. She said they spend each day waiting for the w***kers to leave so they can go to the shops/doctors etc and if they are around when they return, they get pelted with anything to hand until they are in the house.

This bloke deserves a bloody medal. Yesterday, I looked at this thread and reading the comments, thought it was funny. I just watched the video and although I may be seen as being a boring old fart for saying this....I don't think it's funny at all. That guy and his family have to LIVE with this. His wife (presumably) ends up shutting the door. She's probably scared witless, maybe has kids in the house, but can you imagine having to close a door on your other half and leave them to deal with that???

That's not living, it's disgraceful. The people videoing it thinks it's all hilarious. If they did it to me, I'd be locked in a padded cell because if I had to deal with that everyday AT HOME, I think I'd go mad!

Edit: Yeah....the tw4t did get off lightly...I'd have liked to see the bloke put his fist through his face, but I guess that's the measure of the man. Patience of a saint!

[skeetly]

I'm gobsmacked to be honest.
Been lucky enough to live in the sticks all my life and if thats a regular thing where ppl live close together then roll on the plague or whatevers required.

:(

[urbane1]

Now I know why I went across the pond

[madnlooney]

as others have said its good hes stood up for himself and i think a nice follow through with the boot would of ended it nicely but then he will end up with the police at the door with charges against him. Then in the night his windows put through etc.

[custard]

Not Aikido, i did that for a while and its not the stance or technique. Aiido frowns of striking techiques. Its a defensive art traditionally. From his stance and movements i'd say its Savat or perhaps even some derivation of Ju Jitsu, either way it was a well timed punch and so richly deserved :laughat:

Loved the way he had to crawl and then stumble away. Scumbag.

spidey - according to the missus another giveaway is the blocking technique...

[Daimo]

WEll, a chappy on one of the forums claims this happened in

"was filmed on an estate called four acre or 'acres' for people who know the place." Its in St Helens.

The guy doing teh abusing is a smack head, and the guy with the bike is just living at the house with his GF, and the smack head is the womens ex or something.

But I don't fully believe it.

[shifter]

I think the man had that just right. If the police did get involved in that then I think it would have been reasonable force, especialy as he only follows him to the boundry of the property.
Would have been nice to see him open a can of woop a*ss though.

[maviczap]

as others have said its good hes stood up for himself and i think a nice follow through with the boot would of ended it nicely but then he will end up with the police at the door with charges against him. Then in the night his windows put through etc.

Trouble is that the Police are very reluctant to get involved these day.

A family across the road are having trouble with their neighbours, its been going on for years. Regular parties on a Friday & Saturday night, going on til 3 or 4 in the morning.

Music so loud I can hear it :toss:

The neighbours from hell's teenagers going up to the neighbours shouting abuse through the letter box, hoping she'd die & the'ye gonna kill them etc.

But when the Police were called one Saturday they refused to go onto the property to get the music turned off. Plus to cap it all the teenagers accussed the neighbours of trespass.

So if the Police ain't prepared to do anything who is? The Police have thier hand tied by bueracratic proceedures and worries about affecting peoples human rights.

What about the victims human rights :smt067

To make matters worse they're closing our town's Police station, despite it being a big town. You hardly see any Police around anyway. So whats going to happen now :confused:

I believe this bloke got off lightly

[AndyBrad]

what i dont understand is why there are loads of people crowed around watching all of this kick off. surely if you've got a disagreement you have a chat then take eachother outside and wait till one gives up. or isnt it done like that anymore?

[gruntygiggles]

what i dont understand is why there are loads of people crowed around watching all of this kick off. surely if you've got a disagreement you have a chat then take eachother outside and wait till one gives up. or isnt it done like that anymore?

They're not just watching, they're egging him on, you can hear them cheer when he starts to kick off and they are videoing it. They think it's hilarious. I think its depraved!

[custard]

i watched this a number of times with the biggest grin on my face.

if you listen after the scrote gets dropped it seems that the heckling is directed at the chav.

[gruntygiggles]

i watched this a number of times with the biggest grin on my face.

if you listen after the scrote gets dropped it seems that the heckling is directed at the chav.


It is, but it's coming from Chavs IMO. The last video I saw like this was just the same. The scumbag was being jeered on when he was making all the moves and when he got smacked in the face...his own chav mates stared laughing at him.

We'll never know what the whole story was in this vid, I just hope that guy and his girlfriend have moved now. I'd hate to live like that.

Lets bring back national service...lol

[Owenski]

Everything I'd say has been said, Guy is a star for holding out that long. To know you can flatten someone makes it all the more empowering while your watching them dig an even bigger hole for themselves. The scrotes mates (1 bird in perticular) can be heard telling him to walk away etc. But its sweet how as soon as the SK look-a-like takes the stance everyone senses vest top is gonna get a hiding.

For me it would have been all the sweeter, had he stopped him crawling away and made him clear the rubbish up in front of the crowd.

As others have said though its sad that they have no honour, I'd expect stones/abuse/damage to the bike etc for this guy for a while. :(

[thedonal]

It is, but it's coming from Chavs IMO. The last video I saw like this was just the same. The scumbag was being jeered on when he was making all the moves and when he got smacked in the face...his own chav mates stared laughing at him.

We'll never know what the whole story was in this vid, I just hope that guy and his girlfriend have moved now. I'd hate to live like that.

Lets bring back national service...lol

Now that I'm well past the age of recruitment, I wholeheartedly agree! :)

I think the discipline would make a big difference to the way people grow up and treat each other.

Of course, this would require a large money investment by the Govt. And the money's got to come from somewhere (and will never be enough to cover the demand!

[Owenski]

Now that I'm well past the age of recruitment, I wholeheartedly agree! :)

I think the discipline would make a big difference to the way people grow up and treat each other.

Of course, this would require a large money investment by the Govt. And the money's got to come from somewhere (and will never be enough to cover the demand!

I've wondered about that, do they not get paid in the national service? and once working it stands to reason they would continue to work once out of the national service. I know the tax from thier wages wouldnt pay thier wages lol but it would go somewhere to contributing to reducing benifits and it would increase the overall tax revenue. Plus with any luck a few of the f'ers might get a round between the eyes and then everyones a winner.

[custard]

nah.

bring back the guardian angels in their lovely red berrets!

[gruntygiggles]

I've wondered about that, do they not get paid in the national service? and once working it stands to reason they would continue to work once out of the national service. I know the tax from thier wages wouldnt pay thier wages lol but it would go somewhere to contributing to reducing benifits and it would increase the overall tax revenue. Plus with any luck a few of the f'ers might get a round between the eyes and then everyones a winner.


Instead of the massive cost of putting them through the police and CPS hours and eventually through the courts (paid for by us) only to be let off with a slapped wrist, why not invest that money. Give the power back to the police (because this seems to have worsened since the CPS has taken over charging) and have the CPS involved only to sign off on evidence and therefore cut out the court process.

No need for it. If there is evidence leaving no doubt as to a persons antisocial behaviour, they get a bus pass straight to the national service for a set time. They don't get paid, but gain work credits for their conduct, so they could leave with no criminal record and a glowing work reference if they do well.

Now....the forces are too strained as it is, so this would have to be done council by council and all the ridiculously over stretched probation workers would be able to get out of the offices and oversee this new type of national service. The service would simply be, work in the community. Everyone on the service would either be residential or tagged and not turning up or breaching the terms would have you put straight into either residential service or youth offenders.

No more asbos, they don't work. They are a badge of honour!

Have just thought about this, so I'm sure I'll think of many ways in which it could be done better.

[yorkie_chris]

Frankie Boyle said it best about ASBOs "Apparently they're going to bring in Super Asbos. But Asbos already sound too cool. Teenagers see them as a badge of honour. They should call them Gaybos or Bender Badges."

[gruntygiggles]

They should stamp "STUPID" on their forheads, shave their heads and make them walk around with a boombox on their shoulder playing, "little Bobby Shafto" from the old childrens cassettes!

[maviczap]

Instead of the massive cost of putting them through the police and CPS hours and eventually through the courts (paid for by us) only to be let off with a slapped wrist, why not invest that money. Give the power back to the police (because this seems to have worsened since the CPS has taken over charging) and have the CPS involved only to sign off on evidence and therefore cut out the court process.

No need for it. If there is evidence leaving no doubt as to a persons antisocial behaviour, they get a bus pass straight to the national service for a set time. They don't get paid, but gain work credits for their conduct, so they could leave with no criminal record and a glowing work reference if they do well.

Now....the forces are too strained as it is, so this would have to be done council by council and all the ridiculously over stretched probation workers would be able to get out of the offices and oversee this new type of national service. The service would simply be, work in the community. Everyone on the service would either be residential or tagged and not turning up or breaching the terms would have you put straight into either residential service or youth offenders.

No more asbos, they don't work. They are a badge of honour!

Have just thought about this, so I'm sure I'll think of many ways in which it could be done better.


All very practical and most of us agree with you.

But the 'Do Gooders' will say your breaking their 'human rights' - the legislation which wasn't bought in for this reason, but is used by every defense lawyer to find a lophole in proceedure, even though they may know their client is guilty. But hey ho, they're getting paid, who cares if johnny scrote is back on the streets.

Notice how many defendants go not guilty, even in the face of unquestionable evidence and despite the fact their sentences are reduced if they place an early 'guilty' plea, just in case the jury believes their story or they get off on a technicality.

Witness the anger of the family who'd witnessed two scrotes getting pitiful sentences after killing a bloke in Litchfield, after they'd been boozing all day. It just ain't right

[gruntygiggles]

All very practical and most of us agree with you.

But the 'Do Gooders' will say your breaking their 'human rights' - the legislation which wasn't bought in for this reason, but is used by every defense lawyer to find a lophole in proceedure, even though they may know their client is guilty. But hey ho, they're getting paid, who cares if johnny scrote is back on the streets.

Notice how many defendants go not guilty, even in the face of unquestionable evidence and despite the fact their sentences are reduced if they place an early 'guilty' plea, just in case the jury believes their story or they get off on a technicality.

Witness the anger of the family who'd witnessed two scrotes getting pitiful sentences after killing a bloke in Litchfield, after they'd been boozing all day. It just ain't right


I know....feels good to vocalise what we'd like to see happen sometimes, even though we know it never will.

[maviczap]

I know....feels good to vocalise what we'd like to see happen sometimes, even though we know it never will.

Aye +1000

[maviczap]

Probably more often than not it is the CPS who rule that there's not enough evidence, so johnny scote gets released without charge

[gruntygiggles]

Yep...CPS are ok, but they have agendas. I think it worked much better when the police could make those decisions. They are the ones on the front line as it were....far more capable of making the better judgement calls on best course of action.

[maviczap]

We'd be better off getting rid of the jury system too and maybe using something like the French do, where a panel of judges decide

[gruntygiggles]

We'd be better off getting rid of the jury system too and maybe using something like the French do, where a panel of judges decide

There, I have to disagree. At the moment, the jury only decide the verdict, the judge still sets sentencing and there is also the course of appeal. I disagree only because I do not trust one judge, I don't trust three working together and so I wouldn't trust a panel working together either. I think judges have too much leeway as well. For instance, very rarely giving maximum sentences for the drivers of vehicles that have mounted pavements and killed people due to alcohol or drugs.

That's just me though, I would welcome a panel setting the sentence in order not to leave it the luck of the draw of which judge you get, but I think the jury system is ok nowadays.

Wouldn't have liked it if I were a black man in the early American South though!

[maviczap]

. For instance, very rarely giving maximum sentences for the drivers of vehicles that have mounted pavements and killed people due to alcohol or drugs

Judges are given maximum sentencing powers, and although you'll get the odd loopy sentence, which doesn't reflect the crime, by in large they don't decide, their hands are tied.

It'll depend on what the person is charged with, as too what the maximum sentence is.

Some crimes don't have long custodial sentences, even if it involves killing someone with a car

[MiniMatt]

Holy crap what happened here. OK. Do gooder signing in.

I'm really sorry, let me get this straight - we ditch the CPS, let the Police bring the charges and have the CPS remain only as oversight and this will result in cost savings? How?

The CPS job is to oversight cases submitted by the Police, assess if a prosecution is in the public interest and if it has a reasonable chance of resulting in conviction and then to put that case before the court.

If the Police make the call then we're presuming that will result in more cases going to trial right? And this will reduce in lower costs how exactly?

Furthermore, with more cases going to court and without the hurdle of a second line of oversight to assess whether a reasonable chance of conviction exists then it stands to reason that more innocent people will be dragged further through the justice system before being found not guilty in court (rather than the CPS saying much earlier on that there's not enough evidence and therefore drop or not issue charges). Now, consider being held on remand for three months - do you still have a job to go back to? Even if you do, no smoke without fire right - how's that going to affect your career prospects?


But the 'Do Gooders' will say your breaking their 'human rights' - the legislation which wasn't bought in for this reason, but is used by every defense lawyer to find a lophole in proceedure, even though they may know their client is guilty. But hey ho, they're getting paid, who cares if johnny scrote is back on the streets.

Notice how many defendants go not guilty, even in the face of unquestionable evidence and despite the fact their sentences are reduced if they place an early 'guilty' plea, just in case the jury believes their story or they get off on a technicality.


Quite frankly I''m getting sick of this. Sick to the back teeth. Every sodding time people see some perceived failure in justice it's the ones who kinda make a point for standing up for justice being hauled up as some kind of apologist for rapists and murderers.

And as for complaining about people being found not guilty in a sodding court of law which has tested the rule of "beyond all reasonable doubt" and found in a given case it to be lacking - well I just despair. Perhaps we should drop that bit from the rules eh? How about he looks shifty? How about we drop the courts all together? The Police nick him, therefore he's guilty, no point wasting any more money just send him down eh?

And you think I'm over-reacting, that's no more retarded than wheeling out the Human Rights Act every time and pointing to it as the cause for all that is wrong in the world.

[maviczap]

Holy crap what happened here. OK. Do gooder signing in.

I'm really sorry, let me get this straight - we ditch the CPS, let the Police bring the charges and have the CPS remain only as oversight and this will result in cost savings? How?

The CPS job is to oversight cases submitted by the Police, assess if a prosecution is in the public interest and if it has a reasonable chance of resulting in conviction and then to put that case before the court.

If the Police make the call then we're presuming that will result in more cases going to trial right? And this will reduce in lower costs how exactly?

Furthermore, with more cases going to court and without the hurdle of a second line of oversight to assess whether a reasonable chance of conviction exists then it stands to reason that more innocent people will be dragged further through the justice system before being found not guilty in court (rather than the CPS saying much earlier on that there's not enough evidence and therefore drop or not issue charges). Now, consider being held on remand for three months - do you still have a job to go back to? Even if you do, no smoke without fire right - how's that going to affect your career prospects?



Quite frankly I''m getting sick of this. Sick to the back teeth. Every sodding time people see some perceived failure in justice it's the ones who kinda make a point for standing up for justice being hauled up as some kind of apologist for rapists and murderers.

And as for complaining about people being found not guilty in a sodding court of law which has tested the rule of "beyond all reasonable doubt" and found in a given case it to be lacking - well I just despair. Perhaps we should drop that bit from the rules eh? How about he looks shifty? How about we drop the courts all together? The Police nick him, therefore he's guilty, no point wasting any more money just send him down eh?

And you think I'm over-reacting, that's no more retarded than wheeling out the Human Rights Act every time and pointing to it as the cause for all that is wrong in the world.

If you don't follow proceedures correctly, dot every i & t then you fall foul of Article 6 including proper disclosure of all your prosecuttion evidence, then your case will be thrown out. Don't label me as retarded, as I have to ensure I dot all the i's & t's

Even when I've caught them red handed

Article 6 Right to a fair trial

1 In the determination of his civil rights and obligations or of any criminal charge against him, everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law. Judgment shall be pronounced publicly but the press and public may be excluded from all or part of the trial in the interest of morals, public order or national security in a democratic society, where the interests of juveniles or the protection of the private life of the parties so require, or to the extent strictly necessary in the opinion of the court in special circumstances where publicity would prejudice the interests of justice.
2 Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law.
3 Everyone charged with a criminal offence has the following minimum rights:
(a) to be informed promptly, in a language which he understands and in detail, of the nature and cause of the accusation against him;
(b) to have adequate time and facilities for the preparation of his defence;
(c) to defend himself in person or through legal assistance of his own choosing or, if he has not sufficient means to pay for legal assistance, to be given it free when the interests of justice so require;
(d) to examine or have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examination of witnesses on his behalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him;
(e) to have the free assistance of an interpreter if he cannot understand or speak the language used in court.

[svdemon]

I still don't understand why we're not allowed to put these sort of morons down. Natural selection would have taken care of bottom feeders like him but this nanny state insists on funding their chav lifestyle.

[MiniMatt]

So the fact that you've caught them red handed should be all the evidence that's needed?

[MiniMatt]

I'm seriously lost for words. What part of your quoted article do you see as in need of dropping.

I'm really lost here but looking at that list of rights I can't see a single one that would benefit justice if it were dropped.

Evidence has to be presented and it has to be correct. Yes, this will occasionally mean that cases get screwed up because a procedure **** up, it also means the defence has the opportunity to scrutinise the evidence presented to ensure it's not been made up.

[gruntygiggles]

MiniMatt, as I said in one of the posts, it's nice to sometimes vocalise what we'd want to see happen, even if we know it never will.

Now, I know that judges are given maximum sentencing powers, my point is that they don't always use them. Case in point, my Aunt was attacked early last year. She had a knock at the door but was in the bath so ignored it. Another knock ten mins later and she thought it must have been her son forgetting his key as it was past 11 on a sunday night. She opened the door with the security chain on and the door was pushed through. She was punched square in the face (47 stitches in and outside her mouth, three missing teeth) had her head rammed into the radiator (left with very deep gash and bald patch) and her jaw was broken. She managed to say that she'd called the police after he first knocked the door and he ran. She was able to positively identify him after his DNA was picked up for another attempted robbery a few months back. His DNA was a match and Judith instantly identified him as being her attacker.

He was charged with GBH and attempted robbery and after telling the judge that he was extremely sorry and was going through a period of insecurity in his life, which led him to drugs and then the need to steal for money to fund his habit, the judge ordered him to do 200 hours of unpaid work and a 6 month sentence, suspended for two years. He had 4, yes 4 previous convictions involving actual bodily harm and yet he was let off with this ridiculous sentence. The judge said that she felt that his remorse was reason to show leniency in this case. Boll0x if you ask me. He is a danger to society and my already fragile aunt who has lost her husband, daughter and was beaten that badly now has the fear of this man still living locally.

I am not saying that judges are bad, I am saying that I think that there is too much scope in terms of the sentences they can give for certain crimes. This guy could have had years in prison....and he would have deserved them!

As far as the CPS is concerned, the police used to be able to decide on the charges as far as I know. It was only a few years ago I think that the CPS took this over. Every policeman and woman I know here in Bristol has said they would rather make those decisions. Plus, cold hard evidence IS presented on many occasions and cases dimissed because of poor quality, even where the CPS has been able to prove validity.

[carty]

Video was awesome- you could tell the guy had some strength when the kid was pushing him and he barely moved; I would have dearly loved to see that kid given a lot worse but the man got it right on the money. It obviously scared the shizer out of the kid! A pity, as others have said, that they probably went back in the night and messed with his bike (or worse).

Makes me very thankful I don't live anywhere like that!

[Lozzo]

So the fact that you've caught them red handed should be all the evidence that's needed?

If I ever catch someone red-handed trying to steal my bikes or endanger my life then there won't be any need for police involvement. They'd be bound and gagged, thrown into the boot of a car and driven to a place that neither of us have any connection to, a deep hole would be dug and Mr Scumbag would get buried alive with an emptied bag of lime for company - Job done.

Looking at it logically, scumbags like that are loners, opportunists and idiots. I'd very much doubt anyone would have a clue where they were going that day, so their disappearance could happen anywhere. There would be very little or nothing to tie them to me, and their grave would be picked to arouse as little suspicion as possible, meaning the worms and the bag of lime will get to them before a forensic specialist does.

[Kilted Ginger]

So the fact that you've caught them red handed should be all the evidence that's needed?

Yes

[MiniMatt]

If I ever catch someone red-handed trying to steal my bikes or endanger my life then there won't be any need for police involvement. They'd be bound and gagged, thrown into the boot of a car and driven to a place that neither of us have any connection to, a deep hole would be dug and Mr Scumbag would get buried alive with an emptied bag of lime for company - Job done.

Looking at it logically, scumbags like that are loners, opportunists and idiots. I'd very much doubt anyone would have a clue where they were going that day, so their disappearance could happen anywhere. There would be very little or nothing to tie them to me, and their grave would be picked to arouse as little suspicion as possible, meaning the worms and the bag of lime will get to them before a forensic specialist does.

Oh congratulations.

Three possibilities.


One. Over exaggeration for perceived comic effect.
Two. Over compensating for your inner feeling that you're a pansy by boasting warped macho credentials.
Three. You really do think like that, you really do think that "an eye for an eye" is way too compasionate and the punishment for theft is summary execution at your own hands.

Given the level of detail you've gone into, the planning and consideration as to how to avoid the consequences, and the perverse pleasure you seem to attain in describing exactly how you'd go about extinguishing life I'm currently stuck between options two and three. If it's option two then I suggest you need a bit of psychiatric help. If it's option three then you need psychiatric help in a secure medical ward and kept far away from society until such time as they've figured how to control your dangerous and violent psychosis.

To the points raised by those that don't think like homicidally deranged madmen:

I know we're just talking about hypotheticals, I'm saying that the hypotheticals described lately are nothing like what I'd like to see happen. Not to say what we've got is perfect, but I personally think that what's been proposed would make things worse, not better. I guess I'm approaching this from the angle that I'd rather see 10 guilty people walk free than see 1 innocent person incarcerated.

Every police officer is naturally going to want more cases put to court and those charging decisions in their hands rather than the CPS. As I alluded to earlier however there are known effects to this. Firstly it is known that this would result in much greater costs (as more cases are heard); this shouldn't necessarily be a factor but I raise it as it was apparently suggested that this should in some way reduce costs. Second, it is known that more innocent people would be dragged further through the justice system than are currently, being finally released at the court stage rather than at the CPS stage (simply because if we're taking cases to court on a lower perceived strength of evidence there will be proportionately more people found not guilty at that court stage). What I'd argue is not known is whether this would result in more guilty people being convicted.

If cold hard evidence is presented and cases are dismissed because of poor quality then I'd say this is simply because the evidence is evidently not sufficient to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Evidence must not only be accurate and strong but should be open to scrutiny. This is seen as "getting off on a technicality" but it also prevents against West Midlands Serious Crime Squad type affairs, incompetent forensics handling and the like. It undoubtedly results in truly guilty people getting let off but it also results in flawed but apparently compelling evidence convicting innocent people. Like I say, I'm coming at this from an angle that I'd rather see guilty people walk free than innocents incarcerated.

I'd actually argue that wide sentencing options are very much a good thing. The reason being that whilst the law is black and white, people have vast shades of gray and the sentencing margins given the judiciary and the discretion given to the CPS are what allows a binary statute book (something's either illegal or it isn't) to operate across a range of human motivation and circumstance. To pick up from another recent thread - sex between a 16 year old and someone who's 15 years and 364 days is no more or less illegal than sex between that same 15/364 person and a 45 year old. Yet the discretion given the CPS in whether to pursue a charge, and the sentencing margin given the judge allow for relevant action in both instances.
Now obviously that will always lead to cases where sentences seem way too lenient (and indeed way too harsh), and the case GG describes certainly seems to fit that bill which must seem desperately unfair and worrying to all involved. I'd simply say that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is not the solution.

I sincerely hope your aunt is coping and managing in some way to rebuild her life after being dealt such a horribly crappy hand.

[MiniMatt]

So the fact that you've caught them red handed should be all the evidence that's needed?

Yes

Has a policeman ever lied in court to secure a conviction? Has a policeman ever tampered with evidence to secure a conviction?

I'm not saying that such actions are anything other than rare in the extreme, but if they've ever happened even once then we need more than a policeman saying "I saw him do it" to secure a conviction.

[gruntygiggles]

No one persons word should ever be enough to convict anyone of any crime. There has to be proof beying reasonable doubt. I know for a fact of cases where incredibly strong evidence (the defendant plead guilty) was shown and thrown out by the judge because he could not clearly see the top right hand corner of the screen due to an insect on the lense. He could still clearly see the time and date and the defendant using a bank card for an account fraudulently opened in someone elses name to get cash out of a Natwest cash machine and yet, in his infinite wisdom said that there may have been crucial information to be gained from the obscured area and dismissed the evidence. The Defendant changed the plea to not guilty and when bail was granted on the condition that she not contact the victim at home or work, she disappeared. 3 years ago now and she still han't been picked up. FAIL.

Having a large margin for sentencing for each given crime is fine, but it's too much of a lottery to have that placed in the hands of one man or woman. Sentencing is so inconsistant.

Regarding the costs, my post discussing a different way to run the system wa hypothetical and the cost saving would have come from taking the spend away from the red tape of court process and putting it into the running of community schemes.
As much as I'd like to see the kids that get in this type of life of harrasing and hounding people for fun get what they deserve, it doesn't work. Prison doesn't work a lot of the time. You can usually only make headway (legally) when you encourage people through motivation. Most of the kids that get into this cycle have crap education, if any, no skills to get jobs with and rightly or wrongly hate society.

Now....I don't like the current schemes of support for this type of offender. I don't want my taxes going on schooling and training for these people on camps and in youth offender homes. Make them bloody work. Make them give something back to society. Engage them in education yes.....but don't neglect to punish them and make them feel shame for their actions. They need discipline, leadership and to learn the basics of responsbility.

Too many people nowadays are slipping through the net and causing relentless torment to totally undeserving people. Something has to change.

As for my aunt, he'll never be ok. She's a broken woman. A selfish husband that killed himself and that in turn I'm sure contributed to my cousins death. She lives for her son now and all she can say about being beaten black and blue is that if the guy that did it thought he'd hurt her, he couldn't be more wrong as she doesn't have anything left to hurt. Personally, if I got hold of him I'd want to rip him apart. He knew of Judith, he admitted he knew she'd be alone and that she was weak so was an easy target. All of that on record and the judge believed his sob story.

[carty]

How did this get so heavy from a funny video of a scrote getting judo-chopped?!

[shifter]

A simple Nelson style "HA-HA" would have done!

[maviczap]

So the fact that you've caught them red handed should be all the evidence that's needed?

Sadly you're very naive when it comes to the criminal justice system. Even when a case has been presented with unsummountable evidence and defendants have little chance of victory, they will still go 'not guilty'

Why because they are innocent until proven guilty and defence barristers are being paid by the Legal Aid system, so they will come up with ludicrous stories that some jury's might just believe.Believe me I've heard some of these stories.

If they get off everybodies happy except the prosecution and the victims

Neither side is perfect, but the scales of justice seem to be tipped too far to one side. Much of this is down to misscarriages of justice in the past.

[maviczap]

If I ever catch someone red-handed trying to steal my bikes or endanger my life then there won't be any need for police involvement. They'd be bound and gagged, thrown into the boot of a car and driven to a place that neither of us have any connection to, a deep hole would be dug and Mr Scumbag would get buried alive with an emptied bag of lime for company - Job done.

Looking at it logically, scumbags like that are loners, opportunists and idiots. I'd very much doubt anyone would have a clue where they were going that day, so their disappearance could happen anywhere. There would be very little or nothing to tie them to me, and their grave would be picked to arouse as little suspicion as possible, meaning the worms and the bag of lime will get to them before a forensic specialist does.

Don't forget to wear your paper suit, latex gloves and shoe covers when you reconstruct your scene out of 'Goodfellas'. Then burn everything :rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

If you don't follow proceedures correctly, dot every i & t then you fall foul of Article 6 including proper disclosure of all your prosecuttion evidence, then your case will be thrown out. Don't label me as retarded, as I have to ensure I dot all the i's & t's

This seems like a fair safeguard against bent coppers, which with the current commie b4stards trend for targets are more important than ever.

Has a policeman ever lied in court to secure a conviction? Has a policeman ever tampered with evidence to secure a conviction?

I'm not saying that such actions are anything other than rare in the extreme, but if they've ever happened even once then we need more than a policeman saying "I saw him do it" to secure a conviction.

Where shall we start? Stefan Ivan Kiszko perhaps?

Sadly you're very naive when it comes to the criminal justice system. Even when a case has been presented with unsummountable evidence and defendants have little chance of victory, they will still go 'not guilty'

Why because they are innocent until proven guilty and defence barristers are being paid by the Legal Aid system, so they will come up with ludicrous stories that some jury's might just believe.Believe me I've heard some of these stories.

If they get off everybodies happy except the prosecution and the victims

Neither side is perfect, but the scales of justice seem to be tipped too far to one side. Much of this is down to misscarriages of justice in the past.

To be brutally honest with you, I don't trust the police as far as I could throw the lot of them. For all the good ones there will be the odd promotion chasing rotten to the core scumbag happy to convict anyone.

I would rather see 10 criminals succesfully pick apart a case and walk free than see 1 innocent man sent down.




N.B If you get caught nicking someones bike, the messy death of the thief should not be of any concern to the justice system.

[TazDaz]

How did this get so heavy from a funny video of a scrote getting judo-chopped?!

No idea...I'm just slightly suprised that it didn't get deleted! :)

[maviczap]

Just a lively debate, in a democratic society

[carty]

Just a lively debate, in a democratic society

But the debate has nothing to do with the funny video! :)

[maviczap]

It degenerated into a debate about crime & punishment :rolleyes:

[phil24_7]

One word... Owned!

[Lozzo]

It degenerated into a debate about crime & punishment :rolleyes:

No, it's descended into a debate about how the leftie tree-hugging do-gooders have screwed this country over by eradicating every ounce of discipline from our society in the name of human rights.

We shouldn't blame the chavs, we should blame the 2CV driving social workers who pushed PC on us in the 80s and helped do away with corporal punishment in schools wich gave kids a chance to become chavs

[ThEGr33k]

Ace! Was the crown booing the chav or for him? :S

[xXBADGERXx]

Martial arts looked a bit like Wing Chun maybe ?

[keith_d]

+1 for the guy in the video showing great restraint, then using reasonable force to eject a trespasser from his property.

Lozzo - just remember the difference between slaked lime and quicklime, and don't forget to remove the teeth.

maviczap - an interesting question. Does the Legal Aid system favour the scrote where a decent person might be forced to plead guilty to avoid racking up thousands in legal bills but a scrote can fight every step of the way at the taxpayer's expense? Is that how a fair trial works??

[TheOnlyNemesis]

Love the little "get back up" hand gesture at 2:33.

Is that guy southpaw, or just some weird martial art that does things backwards?

i read somewhere that he does martial arts.

And it's a shame what our country is turning into, i'll stick to my metal culture rather than chav culture, me thinks

[CheGuevara]

Martial arts looked a bit like Wing Chun maybe ?

Not WC unless it's very, very sloppy. WC uses a square-on stance and a closed guard with both hands out front. Plus he takes a couple punches from his shoulder -in WC you'd punch centre-line to centre-line.

[Triv650]

I saw this on another forum a while back. Very impressive control exerted from the biker. See, the chav threatened to mash up his bike and that's what he got :)

[sv_rory]

What an absolute idiot, its the first time I've seen that. I dont understand why people have to behave like that. That was so quick and the chap was on the floor lol

[vannus]

Clip has now made national comics gut is apparantly Jason Smith ex soldier, master in karate and jiu jitsu. Has had over 200,000 hits(no pun) so far.

[ManxMatt34]

Guttedddddd stupid chav, not far from where i'm from either.... Good on him flooring that muppet.

[Specialone]

Just seen this, fooking funny.
That guy deserved a medal just for his restraint, most normal people would have either smacked with something long time ago or called the rozzers.
TBH it didnt look that good a punch, just that tw*t went down like a cheap prostitute.
Funny

[xXBADGERXx]

Punch was administered to the Adam`s Apple so did not need to be hard , just enough to down the scrote and make him worry more about breathing . You don`t need to hit an Adam`s Apple hard to cause a lot of distress to somebody , not recommended though as too much force there could lead you into real troubles .

[Specialone]

Punch was administered to the Adam`s Apple so did not need to be hard , just enough to down the scrote and make him worry more about breathing . You don`t need to hit an Adam`s Apple hard to cause a lot of distress to somebody , not recommended though as too much force there could lead you into real troubles .

I didnt notice that tbh, yeah i know about the adams apple thing, can cause some damage as if you say you use too much force.
Still cool though, i hope the chav rethinks his whole future cos next time he might meet someone less restrained.
Phil

[markmoto]

not sure why he let the scrote touch him and invade his space like that very dangerous in my opinion, never let anyone get with in arms length in a situation like that. self retraints one thing but i think he let the scrote get to close.

[yorkie_chris]

Still cool though, i hope the chav rethinks his whole future cos next time he might meet someone less restrained.
Phil
+1 if he had met some of my mates he would probably still be in intensive care
not sure why he let the scrote touch him and invade his space like that very dangerous in my opinion, never let anyone get with in arms length in a situation like that. self retraints one thing but i think he let the scrote get to close.
Yup, no fence at all. The guy is certainly more confident in his art, or his aim, than I am.

[captainsmelly]

that tw*t went down like a cheap prostitute.
Funny



:winner:

[hindle8907]

Was on my local news today an interview with the guy who nocked the over guy down .. was good to see it on national TV bet that scally was gutted !!!

[yorkie_chris]

and don't forget to remove the teeth.

You could do this afterwards of course, but you don't wanna go sifting through pig s**t now do ya' boy?

Oh, sorry, wrong gangster!

[Cairo]

Beautiful how the rest of the world can see it anytime, including all his mates and anyone he's likely to meet. He will be verbally abused for a long time to come. What a great punishment.

[shifter]

Feed im to the pigs arold!

[Dave20046]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2670719/Thug-humiliated-on-internet-video.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2672670/Hero-who-beat-up-yob-on-video-is-revealed-as-Gulf-War-veteran-with-two-black-belts.html

[sv_rory]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2670719/Thug-humiliated-on-internet-video.html


Well done, more luck than me. There was a story tho but its probably a load of pants made up to fill space.

[Dave20046]

Well done, more luck than me. There was a story tho but its probably a load of pants made up to fill space.
Yeah just searched 'chav' on the sun homepage :razz: added the second article to that post.