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-Ralph-
17-10-09, 08:18 PM
...have started already. My dog (35 kilo labrador) is shaking and trying to get on my lap.
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
Kate Moss
17-10-09, 08:25 PM
Poor Dog. I don't see the need to set them off apart from the week of bonfire night as suggested. It's pointless.
dirtydog
17-10-09, 08:27 PM
...have started already. My dog (35 kilo labrador) is shaking and trying to get on my lap.
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
Yeah heard a couple go off down here tonight as well, really ****es me off. Will be hearing them from now till February :smt093
Definitely should be banned, preferably a complete ban!
DarrenSV650S
17-10-09, 08:27 PM
It is a shame for dogs (mine don't like them either) but I don't think it is fair to tell people when they can use them. You could say the same about loud exhausts.
Specialone
17-10-09, 08:39 PM
Dont get me wrong i had fireworks when i was a kid on the streets but now i think they should be banned.
They is no place for them now, too dangerous and now mainly used by chavs.
They cause too much stress to animals, inc my cats.
Phil
It's Diwali, the Indian festival of lights. Been going off all evening here, but our three cats are just sleeping through it :D
I have seen a few going off, also noticed asda selling them today when I did my big shop.
I hate them myself, its the only time of the year my mum and dad dog is allowed in the tidy lounge.
DarrenSV650S
17-10-09, 09:01 PM
the tidy lounge? What happens in there?
the tidy lounge? What happens in there?
Its tidy, amd where visitor go because its not covered in dog hairs and smell lol
petevtwin650
17-10-09, 09:04 PM
I have seen a few going off, also noticed asda selling them today when I did my big shop.
I hate them myself, its the only time of the year my mum and dad dog is allowed in the tidy lounge.
Its tidy, amd where visitor go because its not covered in dog hairs and smell lol
G's only jealous cos he's still not allowed in. :laughat:
El Saxo
17-10-09, 09:54 PM
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
Er, no.
As annoying as they are when set off for no reason by chav t**ts, there are many more occasions when they are entirely appropriate for other celebrations than bonfire night e.g. Diwali (already mentioned here), Chinese New Year etc etc
Me & friends have set off fireworks at special occasions too, such as my mate's 30th last year. The difference was we were responsible about it & warned the neighbours in advance so they could keep cats, dogs etc indoors.
Maybe tighter controls ar needed on who they're being sold to, instead of just a blanket ban? They are explosives after all...
Just my 2p worth.
ArtyLady
17-10-09, 09:57 PM
That was the only good thing about my dear old dog going deaf - when she could hear them she used be so terrified she would shake, wet herself and try to dig a hole in the floor! Trouble is they aren't just on one night a year they seem to be at christmas, new year, and for about a month either side of Nov 5th:(
fizzwheel
17-10-09, 10:04 PM
Maybe tighter controls ar needed on who they're being sold to, instead of just a blanket ban? They are explosives after all...
I thought you had to be over 18 now to buy fireworks anyway ? Cant really see how you could restrict it anymore than that.
I dont mind it at all. I think a blanket ban is harsh and unfair on those who do let them off in a responsible way.
We've had some going off for a while this evening. Our 11 week pup's were out in the back garden when they were going off and neither of them batted an eyelid, no fuss, no whimpering, no crying, no being frightened at all.
Was quite pleased as Liz wants to take them beating and its no use if they dont like loud bangs / noises or are gun shy...
MR UKI (1)
18-10-09, 07:04 AM
They normally start going off around here in September and all the way through to Xmas/New Year, but this year nothing at all so far and it's middle of October (result!). Have shops started selling them later this year?
Specialone
18-10-09, 07:06 AM
They normally start going off around here in September and all the way through to Xmas/New Year, but this year nothing at all so far and it's middle of October (result!). Have shops started selling them later this year?
The law has changed a bit i think, its a bit more restrictive about the sale of them.
maviczap
18-10-09, 08:01 AM
...have started already. My dog (35 kilo labrador) is shaking and trying to get on my lap.
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
+1 When I was young you could only use them on bonfire night
You can add to the list banning selling Christmas stuff until at least November :smt019
Bedhead
18-10-09, 08:44 AM
They're banned over here, but they were legal for a couple of years and all hell broke loose round where I live, it was like Vietnam, soo they banned them again. They're openly on sale though and the police don't really do anything.:rolleyes:
My mates dog bolted yesterday and didn't come back, poor bloke is frantic as she's 14 and a bit doddery.:(:(:(
shonadoll
18-10-09, 09:00 AM
It's horrible for dogs and cats, we see an awful lot of terrified animals in work this time of year, wanting medication. The problem is, a lot of puppies and young dogs are fine, but as they get older, it can become a major stressor, our 7 year old dog was fine till about a couple of year ago, and is now scared.
I think they should be available for organised displays, and for a certain time each year, but dogs not withstanding, they annoy and upset loads of people too. I can't understand why people think it is socially acceptable to let them off at midnight on a Sunday.
Best thing to do with dogs is feed a high carbohydrate meal, like rice or pasta/chicken, have some music with drums playing, and act like there's nothing happening, and don't comfort the dog. Sounds awful but it does help-my Hamish is a lot more settled now we ignore him.
A DAP (dog appeasing pheromone) diffuser is also an idea, it gives off similar pheromones to their mum, and can help some dogs. Just like a plug in air freshener, but they don't smell.
yorkie_chris
18-10-09, 10:38 AM
Dont get me wrong i had fireworks when i was a kid on the streets but now i think they should be banned.
They is no place for them now, too dangerous and now mainly used by chavs.
Yes, I've had my fun, but now I'm old they're far too dangerous! :smt043
metalmonkey
18-10-09, 10:49 AM
It's Diwali, the Indian festival of lights. Been going off all evening here, but our three cats are just sleeping through it :D
Same around here, its meant to be for one night only! Not the entrie month. They should be banned for general sale to the public. As people can't even follow the simple law of one night.
When I'm at my folks place, my dog runns around barking all night, the cats aren't very happy. So no its not good in any way.
TheOnlyNemesis
18-10-09, 10:58 AM
...have started already. My dog (35 kilo labrador) is shaking and trying to get on my lap.
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
Nooooooooooooooooooooo, how we sposed to play firework quake if they won't sell em?
speedplay
18-10-09, 10:59 AM
It's Diwali, the Indian festival of lights. Been going off all evening here, but our three cats are just sleeping through it :D
Your in rugby.
Im suprised its not like the battle of the somme re-enactmentover by you ;)
Amplimator
18-10-09, 11:02 AM
could be worse, you could get THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNpIGhLqC_g) lot launched at ya!
sunshine
18-10-09, 11:04 AM
dependent on the night of the 5th nov means the weekend before the week of 5th and the weekend after is normally the worst, but new year, diwali, christmas and other festivals set them off meaning you do get them round here from early sept to late jan.
but im young and like the BANG!
21QUEST
18-10-09, 12:54 PM
dont get me wrong i had fireworks when i was a kid on the streets but now i think they should be banned.
They is no place for them now, too dangerous and now mainly used by chavs.yes, i've had my fun, but now i'm old they're far too dangerous! :smt043
:lol:
Cheers
Ben
Jayneflakes
18-10-09, 02:44 PM
I love fireworks, they are great fun. Mind you, I have made my own in the lab and played with those too. :rolleyes:
Licensing is fine, as with alcohol, but a blanket ban is not fair. :nomore:
To my mind, a bigger danger on the street is the motor car. If we banned the motorcar, the streets would be safer, there would be a lot less noise and I could play on my space hopper with out worrying about traffic accidents. :smt019
-Ralph-
18-10-09, 05:22 PM
Anyone else think they should be illegal to the general public except for during the one week of bonfire night?
What I meant by that was should it be illegal to set them off other than on a given number of dates, not illegal to buy, and I suppose those dates would need to include religious festivals.
Alcohol is a good comparison actually, it's sale is licensed but you can buy it any time, it therefore shouldn't get sold to under 18's, and in most places it's illegal to drink it in the street.
Also it's illegal to sound your horn after 11pm, so why shouldn't the same apply to fireworks? Regardless of the date.
Would help to stop the chavs in the street but not the genuine garden parties.
Here they are set off just about every weekend to mark some saints day or other. Mostly they are flash bang fireworks set off during the day so they dont even look pretty!
Each to their own, just seems a waste to me if you dont get to see how pretty they are.
dirtydog
18-10-09, 05:46 PM
It's horrible for dogs and cats, we see an awful lot of terrified animals in work this time of year, wanting medication. The problem is, a lot of puppies and young dogs are fine, but as they get older, it can become a major stressor, our 7 year old dog was fine till about a couple of year ago, and is now scared.
I think they should be available for organised displays, and for a certain time each year, but dogs not withstanding, they annoy and upset loads of people too. I can't understand why people think it is socially acceptable to let them off at midnight on a Sunday.
Best thing to do with dogs is feed a high carbohydrate meal, like rice or pasta/chicken, have some music with drums playing, and act like there's nothing happening, and don't comfort the dog. Sounds awful but it does help-my Hamish is a lot more settled now we ignore him.
A DAP (dog appeasing pheromone) diffuser is also an idea, it gives off similar pheromones to their mum, and can help some dogs. Just like a plug in air freshener, but they don't smell.
My dog (Tye) is a bit of a wuss he was always a bit unsure of them now he's really scared of them to the point of turning into a drooling mess. Now he's getting older he's getting much worse to the extent that he's now scared of bubble wrap, the mere sight of it has him legging it out of the room!
Perhaps a suitable solution would be to only allow the sale of non-extra-noisy fireworks? Ban bangers and screamers completely.
As well as the cats and dogs, they also frighten very young children, and sensitive children. Not to mention wildlife. I don't think it's particularly fair.
Setting them off without 'good cause' should be an offence, any time of the day or night.
-Ralph-
18-10-09, 05:53 PM
Oh FFS, they've just started again!
Murphy's just lept out of his basket, done a circuit of the room at half crouch looking for cover, and gone back to cower in his basket again! We don't even have a window open. Think some earplugs would fit a Labrador?
Where can I get one of those dog pheromone things Shona?
Miss Alpinestarhero
18-10-09, 06:43 PM
I disagree. A blanket ban would be unfair to those who use fireworks responsibly and for the right reasons i.e. bonfire night.
TBH, I really like bonfire night - I love wrapping up warm and taking a trip out to watch the displays. Makes me feel happy at all the pretty colours lol! :D
Fireworks are annoying if they are let off constantly and it does cause animals (pets & wildlife included) some undue stress. I try to make sure my cat is indoors in the evenings and act normally if fireworks go off. i.e. rather than comforting him because he is scared, I just act as I do every evening. That way his scardey cat (excuse the pun :lol:) behaviour isnt being reinforced if that makes sense? Seems to work anyway, he is nowhere near as scared than before! :D
Luckily I dont have a problem with constant fireworks in my area
yorkie_chris
18-10-09, 06:48 PM
Might be worth having a read of shooting and conservation (BASC magazine). Some good articles I've seen in there about getting labs and other retrievers used to shotguns. And a 12g at 5 feet is a little louder than any fireworks you can still buy.
-Ralph-
18-10-09, 06:53 PM
I disagree. A blanket ban would be unfair to those who use fireworks responsibly and for the right reasons i.e. bonfire night.
No I agree, a blanket ban would be a shame, bonfire night, new years eve, etc fireworks are cool. Just approved dates and a 11pm to 7am restriction except new years eve would be good, and only on domestic use, organised shows can still use them anytime they like.
-Ralph-
18-10-09, 06:57 PM
Might be worth having a read of shooting and conservation (BASC magazine). Some good articles I've seen in there about getting labs and other retrievers used to shotguns. And a 12g at 5 feet is a little louder than any fireworks you can still buy.
Cheers, I'll google for an article on it.
My last Labrador was off working gunstock, he would stand outside and watch a firework display with his ears pr1cked up. Murphy's father was a working gundog, but I think the bitch was just bred for showing.
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