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A friend of mine has recently moved into a new flat. This conscientious young chap-about-town went to the tv licensing website to get a new tv licence.
He did a search for his address and the ldatabase came back with an address for his upstairs neighbour, but not for him.
Does this mean that he can just not bother with this tv tax anyways as he doens't appear to be on the system?
Give the licenceing department a call. Simples. Better to be safe than sorry.
SoulKiss
26-10-09, 03:57 PM
A friend of mine has recently moved into a new flat. This conscientious young chap-about-town went to the tv licensing website to get a new tv licence.
He did a search for his address and the ldatabase came back with an address for his upstairs neighbour, but not for him.
Does this mean that he can just not bother with this tv tax anyways as he doens't appear to be on the system?
He can indeed do this, right up until the nice man from TV Licensing turns up and points out that although a single building, it is a collection of private residences, which sir will find each require a license. Oh and how would sir like to pay his fine?
He can indeed do this, right up until the nice man from TV Licensing turns up and points out that although a single building, it is a collection of private residences, which sir will find each require a license. Oh and how would sir like to pay his fine?
How's the nice man from tv licensing going to prove that he's got a tv?
How's the nice man from tv licensing going to prove that he's got a tv?
apparently he doens't have any curtains on his windows at the moment - he's mid-decorating, been decorating since, um, August........
hindle8907
26-10-09, 04:05 PM
How's the nice man from tv licensing going to prove that he's got a tv?
who doesnt have a tV ?
who doesnt have a tV ? lol - personally I do, but I know of people that don't. besides, matters not...
apparently he doens't have any curtains on his windows at the moment - he's mid-decorating, been decorating since, um, August........You don't need a license to own a tv. It's perfectly legal to own a tv and use it solely for watching dvd/vhs. So, the tv license inspector being able to see a tv through the window is evidence of nothing... My decoration went on for years, not just months!
hindle8907
26-10-09, 04:13 PM
and now when you buy a new tv or even tv related equipment the store takes all your details and passes that on to the tv licencing comapny
and now when you buy a new tv or even tv related equipment the store takes all your details and passes that on to the tv licencing comapny
thanks for that little gem.... maybe read my above post. you don't need a license to own a tv...
hindle8907
26-10-09, 04:36 PM
How's the nice man from tv licensing going to prove that he's got a tv?
^^ Your Question ^^
and now when you buy a new tv or even tv related equipment the store takes all your details and passes that on to the tv licencing comapny
one possible answer ^^^^
PsychoCannon
26-10-09, 05:44 PM
Personally I'd happily (and have for many years) survived without a TV plugged into any arial and used it purely as a PC and console monitor.
That said since moving in with the Missus it's used as a TV proper but this only serves to remind me why i stopped watching it all those years ago, 1,000 chanels of CRAP!
-Ralph-
26-10-09, 05:50 PM
You don't need a license to own a tv. It's perfectly legal to own a tv and use it solely for watching dvd/vhs. So, the tv license inspector being able to see a tv through the window is evidence of nothing... My decoration went on for years, not just months!
That's changed then, or it's wrong, it used to be that if you had a TV that was mains powered you needed a license, even if you didn't own an aerial!
-Ralph-
26-10-09, 05:53 PM
That's changed then, or it's wrong, it used to be that if you had a TV that was mains powered you needed a license, even if you didn't own an aerial!
You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.
It has changed!
You do not need a TV Licence to view video clips on the internet, as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it.
And how the f*** can they prove that?
If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system, or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence.
That's new too, they must have finally had to get modern
punyXpress
26-10-09, 06:28 PM
[QUOTE=-Ralph-;2076757]You must be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. It makes no difference what equipment you use - whether it’s a laptop, PC, mobile phone, digital box, DVD recorder or a TV set - you still need a licence.
It has changed!
So if you use a DigiBox, you don't need a licence if the programme is delayed like mine is ?
-Ralph-
26-10-09, 07:16 PM
as long as what you are viewing is not being shown on TV at the same time as you are viewing it.
So if you use a DigiBox, you don't need a licence if the programme is delayed like mine is ?
How delayed? It doesn't say in sync, it just says "at the same time". I think it would need to be delayed by at least 31 minutes, for 30 minute programmes, etc.
Originally Posted by arc123 http://forums.sv650.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=2076660#post2076660)
How's the nice man from tv licensing going to prove that he's got a tv?
^^ Your Question ^^
Quote:
Originally Posted by hindle8907 http://forums.sv650.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=2076673#post2076673)
and now when you buy a new tv or even tv related equipment the store takes all your details and passes that on to the tv licencing comapny
one possible answer ^^^^ Today 04:14 PM
But buying a tv does not evidence that you have it in the property you live in. You might buy a tv for your gran.
That's new too, they must have finally had to get modern
kind of. When the BBC charter was renewed for the next 10 years (a couple of years ago I think), it was quite widely accepted that it would be the last time that we could be charged to watch TV in the current manner we are accustomed to.
I'm not quite sure how the UK population as a whole accepts that we need a publicly funded broadcaster, that we HAVE to fund if we want to watch TV. How this gets around competition laws in the modern age is rediculous. I have heard of numerous people that refuse to pay the license fee on this basis alone (regardless of thier opinion if the quality of BBC programmes)...
And on this note - If you don't have a license, there is nothing that the license inspectors can do about it. There has been years of propaganda (telling us they can detect who is watching a tv by pointing a device at your house - ha ha really!) and threatening people with £1000 fines to scare them into paying. BAsic law is that a tv license inspector has no warrant rights to your house, unless you let them in. At which point they have full search warrants once in your house. So don't let them in. really is that simple. Just don't leave your windows open - there are documented cases of inspectors attempting to climb in through an open window!! :D
punyXpress
26-10-09, 10:34 PM
Why, when prosecutions are reported in the press are about 80% of the culprits female ?
beabert
26-10-09, 10:42 PM
Its run by fear and imtimidation, it cant really be enforced. Ive had them knock my door in a bedsit place, i just shut the door and ignored them, for 3 years after they found out it wasn't a single residence they would post letters and knock doors. They finally stopped, they cannot do anything without a warrant, which they cant get without sufficient proof, which they cant get. Any case that is prosecuted however will be advertised everywhere ofcourse, to intimidate.
Ill add that my mother had a tv license and i we both lived in the same house, so i wouldn't pay. It should be an optional subscription service like every other channel.
Them detector vans are really just a deterrent based on the panopticon theory
The BBC explained that the number of detector vans in operation, the location of their deployment and the frequency is not common knowledge. It relies on the public perception that the vans could be used at any time to catch evaders. This perception has built up since the first van was launched in 1952 and has been a key cost effective method in deterring people from evading their licence fee. The BBC state that to release information which relates to the number of detection devices and how often they are used will change the public’s perception of their effectiveness. If the deterrent effect is lost, the BBC believes that a significant number of people would decide not to pay their licence fee, knowing how the deployment and effectiveness of vans and other equipment will affect their chances of success in avoiding detection. While it's technologically possible to detect emissions from television sets, some believe that the switch to LCD-based hardware, and the omnipresence of non-televisual computer monitors, has now made effective detection logistically unlikely—if there was ever a serious detection program in the first place.
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Bedhead
26-10-09, 11:16 PM
I had a stand up row on the doorstep with a TV licence guy who tried to be all DI Burnside and told me he "suspected" I was using a TV and he wanted to come inn to check.
I told him I "suspected" he was a kiddy fiddler and that I wanted to come into his house and check his PC.
All of this was conducted in the street at top volume.
They do try to intimidate, but when they see you're not the slightest bit worried, they go away sharpish, now he just posts the standard "we said we'd call" thing through the door without bothering to knock.
These morons are just glorified door to door salesmen, employed by capita, just tell them to f-off and they will do it, admit nothing, they don't have legal powers.:D
And any TV licencing man trying to climb in through my window would leave feet first and horizontal:D:D:D:D.
A lot of rebels all of you! *shakes head* why not just buy a bloody TV licence? Do you ride your bikes without road tax or insurance?
Bedhead
27-10-09, 10:35 AM
A lot of rebels all of you! *shakes head* why not just buy a bloody TV licence? Do you ride your bikes without road tax or insurance?
Cos I don't actually have a tv?:D:D:D
hindle8907
27-10-09, 10:42 AM
But buying a tv does not evidence that you have it in the property you live in. You might buy a tv for your gran.
It was still a possible answer. :smt075
As when i got my last tv i got the forms a few days later about the TV licence !
A lot of rebels all of you! *shakes head* why not just buy a bloody TV licence?
Because you don't agree with that form of taxation and there's not a great deal they can do about it if you know the legal standing on this issue...
Do you ride your bikes without road tax or insurance?
I can understand the comparison to road tax, but to insurance? not even similar...
One thing I know is that my local so called TV detector van does not work. They tried to take me to court for not having a licence on a property that I was renovating, there was no tv no furniture nothing. I kept having letters and even a baliff contact about gaining access because the detector has reported that I have a TV. I invited them round they never came. So I wrote again and said fine, see you in court. Never heard from them again, its now 8 years passed. I now live in a different place with a tv and a licence.
Bullies and full off bull I say.
And any TV licencing man trying to climb in through my window would leave feet first and horizontal:D:D:D:D.
It'd be small bags if one tried it here.
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