this weeks royal mail strike

[kwak zzr]

FYI

Thursday - mail centres

Friday - distribution (drivers)

Saturday - delivery posties.

[plowsie]

:smt011 Tut tut.

EDIT: To ellaborate. There are people such as my old man, struggling to make ends meet as he has had to take a pay cut, lost his managerial job and back in a support role, my mum doing 3 jobs because of this. And there are some people that think it's okay to strike because they're working some odd hours. I drove past the boys at Crow lane and gave them all the fisting shuffle.

[the_lone_wolf]

FYI

Thursday - Daytime TV

Friday - Shopping with the missus

Saturday - Pub

EFA...;)

[plowsie]

EFA...;)
Exactly what our evening collection guy said to me, last week he said he was going to walk the dogs and have a round of golf.

[Holdup]

So that means my renewal quote wont turn up, my sim card wont turn up and neither will my exhaust bracket!

Why are they striking? i think they should be glad to have jobs in the current climate let a lone complain they dont earn enough money. I heard the union wants to take legal action agaisnt royal mail to stop them employing temp staff.

[hindle8907]

So that means my renewal quote wont turn up, my sim card wont turn up and neither will my exhaust bracket!

Why are they striking? i think they should be glad to have jobs in the current climate let a lone complain they dont earn enough money. I heard the union wants to take legal action agaisnt royal mail to stop them employing temp staff.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=140654&highlight=royal+mail

See here we have all had a big discussion about it. lol and yes you are right they shouldnt.

[Quedos]

So that means my renewal quote wont turn up, my sim card wont turn up and neither will my exhaust bracket!

Why are they striking? i think they should be glad to have jobs in the current climate let a lone complain they dont earn enough money. I heard the union wants to take legal action agaisnt royal mail to stop them employing temp staff.

because they are being asked to do extra hours and duties over and above those stated in contract for no extra reward. with the possibilty of termination if they refuse.

I support them. as the unions are taking lega action cos those employed will also be paid lees to do the same job so there and equality issue

[plowsie]

because they are being asked to do extra hours and duties over and above those stated in contract for no extra reward. with the possibilty of termination if they refuse.

I support them. as the unions are taking lega action cos those employed will also be paid lees to do the same job so there and equality issue
So what about BA, some aren't even being paid...

[TheOnlyNemesis]

i think hiring temp staff is fine, the rest of us still want our mail while they are throwing their dummys out the pram, they are not the only ones with difficult jobs, if we keep it at this rate they will just fire all of them and employ the polish.

[plowsie]

employ the polish.
Which to be honest, is going to be the best thing, I have noticed in the past few months that the Polish work so hard and have pride in their jobs.

[TheOnlyNemesis]

Which to be honest, is going to be the best thing, I have noticed in the past few months that the Polish work so hard and have pride in their jobs.

and best of all, they don't complain

[Sir Trev]

The builder we hired to do us an extension two years ago turned up with a team of three Polish guys. They worked solidly from 8 til 5 every day and hardly stopped for tea breaks or lunch. The builder doing something similar for my neightbour two doors down has an English team, who all seem to be standing around doing nothing except smoke and chat whenever I look out of the window!

[/derail]

[454697819]

because they are being asked to do extra hours and duties over and above those stated in contract for no extra reward. with the possibilty of termination if they refuse.

I support them. as the unions are taking lega action cos those employed will also be paid lees to do the same job so there and equality issue

oh look its like my contract,, it comes under the "any other responsibilities" bit..

It angers me this strike because they will single handily bring down the company they work for, I am fed up with an antiquated, unreliable and bloody expensive system.

off/rant

[kwak zzr]

well i'll be working all 3 days, all managers, admin staff and temps will be processing the mail.

[Luckypants]

because they are being asked to do extra hours and duties over and above those stated in contract for no extra reward. with the possibilty of termination if they refuse.

I support them. as the unions are taking lega action cos those employed will also be paid lees to do the same job so there and equality issue

Welcome to the real world!! My contract states that I am expected to do 'reasonable' overtime without pay. 'reasonable' has included many weekends and many late nights. We all do it, being flexible and getting the job done because we recognise that having a productive and profitable company means that we will still have a job down the line. It seems to me that those in protected or state monopolies seem to think they should not have to do the same - well if they are not careful Royal Mail will end up going the way of British Leyland.

[plowsie]

well i'll be working all 3 days, all managers, admin staff and temps will be processing the mail.
Good old boy, tis why I love you.

[vardypeeps]

So long as they stop for 10th November when my Call of Duty is due!
I would admit it's a pain at work with all this striking

[plowsie]

To add to what others have said, Dad worked on the new Cygnet, he normally works 6-4, he worked till 10.30 two nights running to get this project finished. Then at the weekend he had to work a whole sunday aswell for the open day. People could refuse, but the situation at Aston Martin regarding redundancies, anyone with a brain cell wouldn't, still, people did say no, it's not in my contract, wah wah wahhhh. Dad got an outstanding achievement award (yes it is like school still :D) for those two bits of work, and a boss from the top personally made a point of coming down into the factory and thanked my Dad for his work as he wasn't working on the Saturday, and assured him that he was very sorry that things haven't gone his way.

But my respect as said earlier goes out to those at BA who took pay freezes.

[Quedos]

Welcome to the real world!! My contract states that I am expected to do 'reasonable' overtime without pay. 'reasonable' has included many weekends and many late nights. We all do it, being flexible and getting the job done because we recognise that having a productive and profitable company means that we will still have a job down the line. It seems to me that those in protected or state monopolies seem to think they should not have to do the same - well if they are not careful Royal Mail will end up going the way of British Leyland.

resonable to you is not reaonable to another. Why should i work extra hours in my office for no reward when the person sitting next to me gets paid - and yes my contract states any reasonable duties as spcified by the manager.
what you consider flexible may not suit another worker - should a parent/carer who took the job because of the hours suited her be expected to be laid off because she can't do the 'resonable' extra duties requested due to previous commitment/ childcare etc etc etc.

As for the real world thats what your contract states and you should know what reasonable is other wise they will use it as a liberty to get you to work for nothing. Its nice to see that you still have pride over yor job as a lot of people don't but don't tar every body else with the 'they don't give a toss' brush

i'm a great believer of a fair job for a fair wage and fair contract. would you reallly want to do something thats NOT in your contract im not saying that company shouldn't move with the tme and slimline the same as others just that i agree for the reason for striking. I don't believe that its the best course of action but i'll support them.

i've been there worked the 120 hr week for no recognition to the extent that i was retired through medical reasons. My flexibilty now is not the same and never will be. i'm still flexible regularly lose hours and work well in excess of of my 35 contracted, weekends and evening unpaid to ensure my service still runs and to the best of my abilities (and i'm assuming (poss wrongly) that i'm in a protected service (who is also streamlining and trying to save in exces of £6mil this year) and my thanks for taking pride is a wage cut if over £7k and my terms and conditions paired back to almost nothing except the min allowance they can get away with - so sorry if i come across a little more than biased with the royal mail

[Luckypants]

I'm a fan of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work as well. It's one of the things I liked very much about being a contractor - it was an hourly rate, you work longer, they pay more. However as a staffer, I recognise that sometimes you have a give a little extra to help oil the wheels of profit. You evidently do as well. If we are lucky we have a boss who recognises this and repays the extra effort somehow when they can. I'm sorry that you have been / are being screwed over on that.

BUT the RM situation seems to me that the changes are not huge or onerous, hardly worth striking over. My 'real world' comment was to point up that most of us in our working lives make similar compromises without resorting to striking to bitch about it. I think this is particularly dumb when your employer is threatened with going out of business due to competition, which RM is. It may be that the posties believe that RM will not be allowed to go bust by government and therefore feel they can strike and still have a job / company to go back to. They may just have a rude awakening.

[Viney]

I posted something on the 8th October Recorded, and its still not got there! Also a graphics card i ordered 3 months ago still hasnt arrived. Probably both sitting in some southlondon sorting office under a pile saying 'To Do'.

Dont even start me on the fact that the overpaid tube workers may go on strike because they dont think that £35k a year, 2 months holiday and a 35 hour week is enough for sitting on thier ass all day moving a lever and pushing 3 buttons!

[Quedos]

I'm a fan of a fair day's wage for a fair day's work as well. It's one of the things I liked very much about being a contractor - it was an hourly rate, you work longer, they pay more. However as a staffer, I recognise that sometimes you have a give a little extra to help oil the wheels of profit. You evidently do as well. If we are lucky we have a boss who recognises this and repays the extra effort somehow when they can. I'm sorry that you have been / are being screwed over on that.

BUT the RM situation seems to me that the changes are not huge or onerous, hardly worth striking over. My 'real world' comment was to point up that most of us in our working lives make similar compromises without resorting to striking to bitch about it. I think this is particularly dumb when your employer is threatened with going out of business due to competition, which RM is. It may be that the posties believe that RM will not be allowed to go bust by government and therefore feel they can strike and still have a job / company to go back to. They may just have a rude awakening.

hey its life for me - i shouldn't work for local government yet can't find another job to move too and the sad thing is i know whats coming i've been on the restructuring panels as union rep.
Personally i think that striking could be the nail in the coffin for RM and it a shame that it has resorted to this.
i must admit that they will do what they want and who knows how it will come out. i hope its resolved and i'm glad i didn't go for the christmas vacancies this year.
as for my comment I'm still bitchy about the whole thing. tho i still have appeal board to go against but i'm a still miffed. but theres enough:smt062 at work so i must stop getting riled. bad for the BP

as an aside my post absymal due to crappy security entrances not working so its as normal for us - ironic ain't it!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Royal Mail is an overstaffed inefficient company with massive fiscal problems that would be dead and buried by the competition if it wasnt protected by law.

Those striking need a savage beating. Why do they expect the rest of the country to pay inflated postage prices (and taxes to cover their pension bill, especially if nothing changes soon) to keep them in a job when we don't need half of them to do it, especially when lots of other people are losing theirs?

[kwak zzr]

Royal Mail is an overstaffed inefficient company with massive fiscal problems that would be dead and buried by the competition if it wasnt protected by law.

Those striking need a savage beating. Why do they expect the rest of the country to pay inflated postage prices (and taxes to cover their pension bill, especially if nothing changes soon) to keep them in a job when we don't need half of them to do it, especially when lots of other people are losing theirs?

Excuse me? Do you know what ur on about?

[sunshine]

Which to be honest, is going to be the best thing, I have noticed in the past few months that the Polish work so hard and have pride in their jobs.

Hiring European workers caused this recession population explosion at a quicker rate to the employment growth, young people cant get a job because the European's will do the same job at the same rate with "training" as an electrician the european standards of work are well below the standard of working in the uk so what is the point in hiring them do the job properly!
[/rant over]

royal mail staff should be paid overtime if they did it but they just dont want to do any over time, and its not like they have a difficult job, i work as a parcel sorter for city link because of this recession, and may i ask wtf are they complaining about?

[plowsie]

Hiring European workers caused this recession population explosion at a quicker rate to the employment growth, young people cant get a job because the European's will do the same job at the same rate with "training" as an electrician the european standards of work are well below the standard of working in the uk so what is the point in hiring them do the job properly!
[/rant over]
I'm struggling to read what you have said there mate (punctuation). If I read it correctly, why have you bothered quoting me?

[sarah]

Royal Mail is an overstaffed inefficient company with massive fiscal problems that would be dead and buried by the competition if it wasnt protected by law.

Those striking need a savage beating. Why do they expect the rest of the country to pay inflated postage prices (and taxes to cover their pension bill, especially if nothing changes soon) to keep them in a job when we don't need half of them to do it, especially when lots of other people are losing theirs?

:confused:

[Viney]

:confused:
Sqiz does have a point there. we can send parcels cheaper via private courrier than we can using parcel farce or the royal mail. It gets 99.9% the next day and it tracked form door to door. Standard 1st class has risen about 4 times in as many years, where it stayed the smae price for ages.

As for the post office. Sadly its a fact of life that there is a lot of jobs that are done by humnas, that could easily be done by machines. Its the sign of the times. Im in this boat where technology is replacing what i do. What can i do about it, nothing. Its progress

[svdemon]

Royal mail will go down the tubes when its privatised regardless of striking or not striking. When you're getting your mail at 5.30 in the evening (if not already) then maybe you'll start to see why the posties are striking.

[Luckypants]

When you're getting your mail at 5.30 in the evening (if not already) then maybe you'll start to see why the posties are striking.

This strike is not about protecting services, but protecting outdated working practices and pay / pensions. At least it is in all the commentary I have read / heard.

[svdemon]

Well you've not heard everything about the strikes then.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Excuse me? Do you know what ur on about?

RM is the only postage company in the western world that still hand sorts mail (in delivery offices). Nuff said.

[Luckypants]

Well you've not heard everything about the strikes then.
Evidently, care to enlighten me? Because even the leftie leaning Guardian says it's about pay and jobs. The jobs are being lost mainly due to a new sorting machine from what I understand, so in reality they are striking to protect outdated working practice. There are further job losses likely due to the contraction of RMs volumes of post, about 10% a year I read. Doesn't take an Einstein to work out that if there is less business then you need less workers. I understand RM want to close the final salary pension scheme and this is also a reason behind the strike (they have my sympathy on this one - we've all been screwed on pensions)

So like I said, it's about protecting outdated working practices and pay / pensions. So enlighten me?

[kwak zzr]

RM is the only postage company in the western world that still hand sorts mail (in delivery offices). Nuff said.

its not handsorted its sorted using IMP's, LSM's, I LSM's and FSM's and the like, walk sequencers sort mail in delivery offices and our LSM's sort our deliverys in our mail centre, its only manual mail thats hand sorted.

[MR UKI (1)]

Royal mail will go down the tubes when its privatised regardless of striking or not striking. When you're getting your mail at 5.30 in the evening (if not already) then maybe you'll start to see why the posties are striking.

Normally between 2pm and 3pm here anyway and usually they leave it till the next day anyway, at least I'd be here at 5.30pm to sign for anything requiring a signature. I've had 2 items posted to me recently which required a signature (1 package included £600 of BSB tickets and i'd ordered for work colleagues) and on both occasions they didn't even bother leaving a bloody card. It was only because I spent my own time and money (phone bill) ringing Motorsport Vision that I found out they were in the sorting office having been attempted to be delivered 4 days before :mad:

[svdemon]

Normally between 2pm and 3pm here anyway and usually they leave it till the next day anyway, at least I'd be here at 5.30pm to sign for anything requiring a signature. I've had 2 items posted to me recently which required a signature (1 package included £600 of BSB tickets and i'd ordered for work colleagues) and on both occasions they didn't even bother leaving a bloody card. It was only because I spent my own time and money (phone bill) ringing Motorsport Vision that I found out they were in the sorting office having been attempted to be delivered 4 days before :mad:

Your posty should have been seriously reprimanded for that! Thats a sackable offence round our way!

[metalangel]

Meh. Amazon still delivered my Forza 3 and Borderlands on time, they just used DHL.

DHL: deliver to your next door neighbours, who you then get to disturb a second time to claim it.

Royal Mail: hoy it over your side gate, where you find it a month later.

[kwak zzr]

Royal Mail is an overstaffed inefficient company with massive fiscal problems that would be dead and buried by the competition if it wasnt protected by law

by law? postcom has done nothing to help royal mail in the open market, the other companys dealing with mail TNT,CITY POST ect use a system called DSA (down stream access) where as they take your money then drop the mail off at the nearest RM depot.

A this hacks me off as this so called competiton only want do deal with mail in citys, if you live in far northen scotland in a remote place they dont want to deal with you, RM still honours its ONE PRICE anywhere EVERYDAY to every uk address, a stamp costing 36p in this situation actully costs royal mail to take that letter there for you (yes we loose!) money is in big towns and citys and thats the only thing the other companys want to deal with they are in affect "cherry picking the work"

[kwak zzr]

Royal Mail: hoy it over your side gate, where you find it a month later.

this shouldnt happen.

[Shellywoozle]

its not handsorted its sorted using IMP's, LSM's, I LSM's and FSM's and the like, walk sequencers sort mail in delivery offices and our LSM's sort our deliverys in our mail centre, its only manual mail thats hand sorted.

Stop defending a cr@p company who treat their workers like slaves

[Quedos]

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A this hacks me off as this so called competiton only want do deal with mail in citys, if you live in far northen scotland in a remote place they dont want to deal with you, RM still honours its ONE PRICE anywhere EVERYDAY to every uk address, a stamp costing 36p in this situation actully costs royal mail to take that letter there for you (yes we loose!) money is in big towns and citys and thats the only thing the other companys want to deal with they are in affect "cherry picking the work"

see that what ***** me of with other companies - you get a surcharge because although you are a G postcode you are not actually in Glasgow!

[Essex of Essex]

The company I work for fly the Royal Mail around the country at night we are penalised if we are late, defined by RM as being more than 4 minutes after the scheduled time. As consumers we should be in a position to fine RM if they are late delivering our mail.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

its not handsorted its sorted using IMP's, LSM's, I LSM's and FSM's and the like, walk sequencers sort mail in delivery offices and our LSM's sort our deliverys in our mail centre, its only manual mail thats hand sorted.

I've been to many many delivery offices and never seen a walk sort machine. They're not common.

[jimmy__riddle]

I had a payment into my bank account fail, followed by a letter by the bank. However that letter hasnt arrived yet and i only found out it failed when 6 direct debits failed. Thats given me £48 of fines from my bank.

Thanks a lot royal mail.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

by law? postcom has done nothing to help royal mail in the open market, the other companys dealing with mail TNT,CITY POST ect use a system called DSA (down stream access) where as they take your money then drop the mail off at the nearest RM depot.

A this hacks me off as this so called competiton only want do deal with mail in citys, if you live in far northen scotland in a remote place they dont want to deal with you, RM still honours its ONE PRICE anywhere EVERYDAY to every uk address, a stamp costing 36p in this situation actully costs royal mail to take that letter there for you (yes we loose!) money is in big towns and citys and thats the only thing the other companys want to deal with they are in affect "cherry picking the work"

RM would already be dead if not for postcom. The fact that the RM do deliver to everywhere for a flat price is great, but that does not defend their archaic practices.

[suzijax]

I've been to many many delivery offices and never seen a walk sort machine. They're not common.

Thats because they dont, they will and can sort the walks but the postman then has to sort it to the house or business numbers

[metalangel]

this shouldnt happen.

Damn right it shouldn't.

Long version: It was my preorder copy of Fallout 3, because it wouldn't fit through the mail slot they just chucked it over my gate on the side of the house and didn't leave a card or anything. I ended up accusing Gamestation of failing to deliver and they claimed back from RM and gave me a refund (I, in a rage, had stormed down to Blockbuster and bought another copy). It was only by chance that I spotted a strange brown object a month later... it had been lying in the November rain waiting to be found where Postman Tw*t had thrown it!

[Warthog]

Damn right it shouldn't.

Long version: It was my preorder copy of Fallout 3, because it wouldn't fit through the mail slot they just chucked it over my gate on the side of the house and didn't leave a card or anything. I ended up accusing Gamestation of failing to deliver and they claimed back from RM and gave me a refund (I, in a rage, had stormed down to Blockbuster and bought another copy). It was only by chance that I spotted a strange brown object a month later... it had been lying in the November rain waiting to be found where Postman Tw*t had thrown it!

Our postman posted a "this item was too big for your letterbox" slip through the door. I had to go to the depot to collect the item and it turned out that it was the Tesco DVD rental. The same rental that I have had popping through my letterbox for the past 2 years! That annoyed me. I have also seen a postie drop a "you weren't in" card whilst I was in, I saw him walk past the window and me and 3 other mates didn't hear any bell or knock! I heard on radio 4 that one postie said that sometimes he doesn't get all the sorting done se he just leaves the parcels in the depot. Really annoys me! If you can't be bothered to properly ddeliver my parcel and I have to come and collect it then I should get the postage fee, not the Royal Mail!

[metalmonkey]

I once had something that was meant to be signed for worth several hundered pounds left under the hedge in front of the house for the whole world to see. Useless c**** I'm so glad I paid for postage insurance:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder there is lack of care for the strike? The vast majority of people I know if they went on strike would be sacked, so whats different about them?

[kwak zzr]

Thats because they dont, they will and can sort the walks but the postman then has to sort it to the house or business numbers

sequencing sorts in walk order and the walk bundle goes to the delivery postman already in number sequence

[paiste]

I once had something that was meant to be signed for worth several hundered pounds left under the hedge in front of the house for the whole world to see. Useless c**** I'm so glad I paid for postage insurance:rolleyes:

Is it any wonder there is lack of care for the strike? The vast majority of people I know if they went on strike would be sacked, so whats different about them?

I had this too. A digital camera had been delivered to me by Parcel Farce. It was left on my front doorstep in plain view of the passing foot traffic. Phoned to complain because it should've been signed for. The delivery driver claimed it had been signed for, but turns out he'd signed for it himself! W@nk*r :mad:

[Biker Biggles]

Oh dear oh dear.Just listen to the venomous offspring of Thatcher and Tebbit.
How dare the working class scum stand up for themselves.I didnt spend five years at an expensive Public School to have to witness the tradesmen and delivery boys getting too big for their boots.Bring back the lash for oiks who dont know their place.

[kwak zzr]

lol.

[sarah]

Oh dear oh dear.Just listen to the venomous offspring of Thatcher and Tebbit.
How dare the working class scum stand up for themselves.I didnt spend five years at an expensive Public School to have to witness the tradesmen and delivery boys getting too big for their boots.Bring back the lash for oiks who dont know their place.

:cheers:

[beanie79]

Oh dear oh dear.Just listen to the venomous offspring of Thatcher and Tebbit.
How dare the working class scum stand up for themselves.I didnt spend five years at an expensive Public School to have to witness the tradesmen and delivery boys getting too big for their boots.Bring back the lash for oiks who dont know their place.


:winner:

[appollo1]

I understand why the staff are going on strike but hope that it is all resolved before christmas so that our troops serving overseas can get their parcels sent from their loved ones while they are away risking their lives.

[Ed]

I wish that somebody would explain what the issues are in plain English. All I hear is that it's about working practices, pay and conditions. No **** Sherlock. What does this mean in reality?

I do think that the union should recognise that people will only pay for a service that offers value for money, and that if there is a cheaper and better way then nobody is going to underwrite Royal Mail for ever and a day. But the management needs to learn that people have feelings and that bullying is unacceptable.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Oh dear oh dear.Just listen to the venomous offspring of Thatcher and Tebbit.
How dare the working class scum stand up for themselves.I didnt spend five years at an expensive Public School to have to witness the tradesmen and delivery boys getting too big for their boots.Bring back the lash for oiks who dont know their place.

I'm sorry but that's complete crap. If RM was making shed loads of cash and the posties were kicking up a storm about pay/conditions then that's fair enough - give them their fair share of the pie. But to strike in these conditions is idiotic.

RM is losing business and it's losing money at a phenomenal rate. It's not competitive, it does not require the workforce it has, and keeping it at its current size is not sustainable - something's got to give. Everyone is struggling at the moment - now is not the time to ask for special treatment.

Why anyone would defend them is beyond me - The longer this farce continues the bigger the tab the tax payer is going to have to foot.

[sunshine]

plowsie you was quoted because i think your a fool for thinking polish workers are a good think. current economy works out like this 3m unemployed, 3m migrate workers i know i didnt do a degree in maths but im sure i can work out the best option to get some employed back into work.

as far as the royal mail, royal mail will need to lay off 70% of there work force because of these strikes any way. if you ask me the best way to stop them striking is to declare 60% of staff will be laid off next month because of lay of work after there strike action, then see how many are willing to strike!

[plowsie]

plowsie you was quoted because i think your a fool for thinking polish workers are a good think.
But that's not what I said is it Sunshine? Please go to my post and find where I used the words, 'the polish workers are a good thing'.

[the_lone_wolf]

Postman Pat, Postman Pat
Postman Pat and his unionised cat
Early in the morning
He's in bed still snoring
Where's my f****** post you blue capped t***?

:mrgreen:

[dyzio]

plowsie you was quoted because i think your a fool for thinking polish workers are a good think. current economy works out like this 3m unemployed, 3m migrate workers i know i didnt do a degree in maths but im sure i can work out the best option to get some employed back into work.


Wow, I love how easy it is to find the culprit for the current situation, just blame it on the foreigners.
Soon we will be blamed for everything: low tide, subzero temperatures and everything else radio one classifies as news.

[Luckypants]

Another thing to thank postman prat for, just spent the afternoon helping my son get an application form for a job sorted out. Was sent out to him 10 days ago but has not arrived and deadline is tomorrow. Thank god employer recognises the 'difficulties' caused by the post and sent the form by email to Jon. They will accept it back by email.

Sympathy for strikes at an even lower ebb (and it was low anyway). :thumbdown:

[Biker Biggles]

I wish that somebody would explain what the issues are in plain English. All I hear is that it's about working practices, pay and conditions. No **** Sherlock. What does this mean in reality?

I do think that the union should recognise that people will only pay for a service that offers value for money, and that if there is a cheaper and better way then nobody is going to underwrite Royal Mail for ever and a day. But the management needs to learn that people have feelings and that bullying is unacceptable.

I think thats a very astute post Ed,and your last point hits the nail.Ive listened to lots of interviews asking similar questions of RM union bods and individual posties and every time something stands out.Theres all manner of complexities around new machines downsizing, working rosters and gawd knows what,but they always come back to the bullying issue.Any organisation that allows itself to sink to management by intimidation and bullying is ultimately destined to implode spectacularly and fail dismally.Thats RM for you.Theres a lesson here for many other organisations which persue similar management techniques and will suffer the same fate.

[Shellywoozle]

I feeling for poor Kwakers right now .... juts phoned him.

Don't laugh, he started a little before 6am this morning and is still running round now, as we speak, collecting mail. He is in Bridgnorth collecting mail in a little red van. Maybe he would have done it quickedr on little gixxer.

Gotta say good on Kwak for doing his bit, I am proud of him although he works for a rubbish company !! OK so we are slating Royal Mail but there are some dedicated staff who are busting a gut.

Go Kwak and Andy .... well done guys xxx

[kwak zzr]

just got in :( thanks for the kind thought shell :)

[Shellywoozle]

just got in :( thanks for the kind thought shell :)

Not a thought, was just pointing out to all those that are slagging RM that some of the employees are trying to get some mail out and are busting a gut.

I would not have known what goes on behind the scenes if you didnt tell me . You have, for a 2nd time, worked your little self to death when you could have gone home and thought 's0d it'

[Speedy Claire]

Not a thought, was just pointing out to all those that are slagging RM that some of the employees are trying to get some mail out and are busting a gut.

I would not have known what goes on behind the scenes if you didnt tell me . You have, for a 2nd time, worked your little self to death when you could have gone home and thought 's0d it'

+ 1 :grouphug:

[kwak zzr]

were not all lazy moaning postal workers ya know :) its quite funny too driving through the picket line having them blow whistles at ya and shouting through a loud hailer lol, thanks for the kind words :)

[KeithCRM]

I feeling for poor Kwakers right now .... juts phoned him.

Don't laugh, he started a little before 6am this morning and is still running round now, as we speak, collecting mail. He is in Bridgnorth collecting mail in a little red van. Maybe he would have done it quickedr on little gixxer.

Gotta say good on Kwak for doing his bit, I am proud of him although he works for a rubbish company !! OK so we are slating Royal Mail but there are some dedicated staff who are busting a gut.

Go Kwak and Andy .... well done guys xxx

Good lad he is...... I best get my tickets for next weeks dirt bike show! :)

[Warthog]

Hey Kwak, if you are the only one still working, can you drop the CD I am waiting for through my post box? Thanks :)

[dizzyblonde]

I have had a parcel to send to france for ages, I won't send it, cause its gotta go through this strike first. Good job my mate ain't in no hurry.
They better sort ot soon though as I have passport and driving license renewals soon.

[Ed]

I tooted at the pickets outside the Shrewsbury sorting office. I felt sorry for them, they looked pretty miserable, so I thought a toot would cheer them up, which it did.

[kwak zzr]

i can see why the staff are standing their ground and striking but looking at the bigger picture its destroying RM, business are leaving us left right and center and in the long run the RM will have to react to this in the way of more job losses :( surely we should be trying to keep customers not turn them away? BIGGER PICTURE? mortgages to pay, families to feed? Christmas to pay for?

[svdemon]

Strikes are off!

[Philbo]

I won't pretend to know all the detials, but ask yourself this. If you managed to find youreslf a job with good terms and conditions of employment, would you just through them away? Yeh no problem boss, i'll take that paycut and those extra working hours with a smile on my face and bounce in my step.

Remember if you don't like royal mail, there are alternatives.

AND
The posties aren't doing this for the banter and a barbeque on the picket line. You don't get paid when you go on strike, so although the odd postie might be boasting about an extra round of golf, you better believe it hurts the RM employees to strike. Nobody does it lightly.

[svdemon]

Royal Mail are getting their propaganda through and making the unsuspecting public blame the posties. What usually happens when massive organisations bull**** the general public, the less observant people lap it up.

[Philbo]

This strike is not about protecting services, but protecting outdated working practices and pay / pensions. At least it is in all the commentary I have read / heard.

Someones been taking their propaganda pills right on time!

I'ts not fair! They've got a good pension scheme, and my company has already sc***** us over on to a crap pension scheme. They shouldn't be allowed to fight for a dignified retirement! - Nice attitude...

Perhaps the real question is how the hell the rest of ended up with such crap pensions? Maybe we should have joined a Union and went on strike?

[Philbo]

I had a payment into my bank account fail, followed by a letter by the bank. However that letter hasnt arrived yet and i only found out it failed when 6 direct debits failed. Thats given me £48 of fines from my bank.

Thanks a lot royal mail.

That's not RMs fault, that the fault of the failed payment really isn't it? £48 worth of fines is a ludicrous! The Banks know there is a mail strike on, yet they still choose to inform you by letter, probably 2nd class...

[jimmy__riddle]

That's not RMs fault, that the fault of the failed payment really isn't it? £48 worth of fines is a ludicrous! The Banks know there is a mail strike on, yet they still choose to inform you by letter, probably 2nd class...

if there wasnt a strike i would have received the letter and could have sorted it.

[Philbo]

if there wasnt a strike i would have received the letter and could have sorted it.

True, but the route cuase of the problem is the failed payment, not the RM strike.

Not trying to wind you up mate, nobody likes paying £48 for bank letter. Just saying what I think.