so - what time can Imake a noise until.. neighbour angry

[Quiff Wichard]

very simply-
been doin lots of DIY .. most of the day .. last 2 weeks.. bt of banging and drilling and some on party wall..

layed a floor and wallpapered.. nothing major noisy ..


was knocking in some cable clips at 7.30 and the neighbour was banging on the wall like an insane man ! ..


7.30 !! its cos its dark I thinkand he thinks its midnight.. he is an idiot- about 70 and retired and nothing better to do.

we are bloody good neighbours- no wild parties. not lots of bikers round all the time.. very understanding- I think he is going crazy and needs medical help.

but what is the legal standpoint .. anyone know?

[MR UKI (1)]

Your so inconsiderate Quiff, shame on you ;)

[fastdruid]

I don't know about legal but I've always taken 9pm to be the limit, having a quick google seems to agree with me that there is no limit as per se but more what is reasonable, this page seems to sum it up.

http://www.kingston.gov.uk/noise_pollution

EDIT: although linked from there is http://www.kingston.gov.uk/browse/environment/environmental_health/pollution/noise_nuisance/noise_from_diy_works.htm

which suggests 7pm.

Druid

[Quiff Wichard]

cheers for the advice Mr Uki .. but I wanted advice off a Real Man !

[Milky Bar Kid]

Quiff, as long as it's kindof a reasonable time and you don't do it all the time, I think you will be ok. I certainly wouldn't be taking any action against you.

It's a frequent thing. People forget that their neighbours need to have a life and they forget the whole give and take.

As long as you don't do it every night and are not hammering things into the wall until stupid o'clock then I say hammer on.

[Quiff Wichard]

I don't know about legal but I've always taken 9pm to be the limit, having a quick google seems to agree with me that there is no limit as per se but more what is reasonable, this page seems to sum it up.

http://www.kingston.gov.uk/noise_pollution

Druid


ooo ta..

he is a nob the neighbour- I really feel like drilling the wall at 2am.. or inviting 20 bikers round every weekend.. .. Imean, 7.30 and he is banging like a demented idiot on the wall

[MR UKI (1)]

cheers for the advice Mr Uki .. but I wanted advice off a Real Man !

It wasn't advice, just an observation, I've witnessed your inconsiderateness ;)

[Warthog]

7:30 should be ok, I'd have thought 9 or 10 and then you should be quieter.

[Quiff Wichard]

Quiff, as long as it's kindof a reasonable time and you don't do it all the time, I think you will be ok. I certainly wouldn't be taking any action against you.

It's a frequent thing. People forget that their neighbours need to have a life and they forget the whole give and take.

As long as you don't do it every night and are not hammering things into the wall until stupid o'clock then I say hammer on.



its not every day--

these things are sequential.. there is an order.. like now I have floored n papered and painted then the skirting boards will be on tommora which means my mitre saw so he will kickoff about that no doubt.. often Ihave to wait on a decision from mand before firmly fixing anything- which means she needs the visual, which means waiting til she home from work at 5pm..which means its 6 to 7pm before I am drilling etc. but I always stop at 8.30 if making noise at night..

aggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

if he were my age I wudda knocked him out

[timwilky]

My mother got grief when she moved into her new house some years ago because the carpet fitters were making a noise at 10:30 am on a midweek day. He objected to the hammering to fit the gripper rod and demanded they stop.

He verbally abused my mother and was most apologetic when her 4 sons knocked on his door that evening and suggested he might like to get on with his new neighbour

[mike_avfc]

lol - just thinking of Alf Garnett "i can bang!! i can bang!!" :-)

[Shellywoozle]

Post him some ear plugs through his door ;)

[Quiff Wichard]

see . we had a combi in.. which was noisy etc.. then was left with a majorhole in the fireplace and floor to make good.. so I did all that and plastered and boarded up and papered etc and now it looks ace.. , now I starting on the bedroom cos we have spare cupboard now where the immersion heater was.. so he moaning about that cos its adjacent to his bedroom..

he is never out see with being retired. .. I try n wait til he goes asda or for a swim to do the noisy jobs but it messes me system up..


see..

from this.. to this .. takes a lot of work and a bit of noise.. but worth it..

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looks nice.. worth the effort- except when Mr Uki is sat on the couch spoiling the clean lines and minimalistic effect..

[robh539]

Post him some ear plugs through his door ;)

Lmao nice touch that & very thoughtful ;)

[Shellywoozle]

Lmao nice touch that & very thoughtful ;)

Thoughtful chick me :)

Looks nice Quiff

[MR UKI (1)]

Thoughtful chick me :)

Looks nice Quiff

Looks better in the pictures, think he's been tweaking them in photoshop or summat.

[Richie]

yuck, looks like a Gay batchlors pad.... ;-)



lov you Dave.

[phi-dan]

Bah, one of my neighbours had trouble sleeping so would do the hoovering (including moving all the furniture) at 2 in the morning. What sealed the deal was her dog not liking the hoover :smt094

Liking to flooring and fireplace tho - that's on the to-do list when we can next get a cushy re-mortgage deal!

[Philbo]

[QUOTE=Quiff Wichard;2079065]


was knocking in some cable clips at 7.30 and the neighbour was banging on the wall like an insane man ! ..


QUOTE]

Sure we wasn't being burgled, and trying to summon help!?:king:

[DavieSV]

Have you thought about going round and explaining to him what you are doing?

I find a bit of talking face to face works wonders:)

And besides, the banging may be him doing a bit of DIY himself:rolleyes:

[Mighty Boosh]

very simply-
been doin lots of DIY .. most of the day .. last 2 weeks.. bt of banging and drilling and some on party wall..

layed a floor and wallpapered.. nothing major noisy ..


was knocking in some cable clips at 7.30 and the neighbour was banging on the wall like an insane man ! ..


7.30 !! its cos its dark I thinkand he thinks its midnight.. he is an idiot-about 70 and retiredand nothing better to do.

He may have worked very hard all his life to get where he is,

we are bloody good neighbours- no wild parties. not lots of bikers round all the time.. very understanding- I think he is going crazy and needs medical help.

but what is the legal standpoint .. anyone know?


As previously said communication is a good starting point.

You never know, he may give you a few poinrers and save you a couple of quid.

Or he might ask for your help advice.

about 70 and retired !!

I would imagine he's worked long and hard, for the little he has..

communication is a good starting point.

[Quiff Wichard]

Have you thought about going round and explaining to him what you are doing?

I find a bit of talking face to face works wonders:)

And besides, the banging may be him doing a bit of DIY himself:rolleyes:


nahh he knows we doin work. he just a nob head

[Quiff Wichard]

been neighbours with mandy for 20 years.. always got on.. when I stareted stayinover he was real nice- chatty etc.. no issues-he just jealous cos I landscaped all the garden and it looking better than his I reckon.. if you knew him you would know he isnt approachable- he is a cockney !

[Richie]

invite him around for a cup of tea and explane what your doing to improve your residence. So you invest some money into your house then his house might increase in value also, then put on your leathers and Kevlar & Cardon fiber gloves and snack the living crap out of the next thing your going to smash with hammers....

he might get the hint.

[Spiderman]

I always found that if you tell em in advance that you'll be doing "noisey" diy today and "hoped" to have the noisy stuff done by 7ish then most peeps are ok about it. Or at least pretend to be and tollerate it in silence cos they dont wanna act the a-hole they really are by saying "no i dont want you doing noisy stuff" to your face ;)

And us cockneys are the salt of the erf i'll av ya know!

he obviously just dont like you, which is understandable.

Did you cut SV650.org into his hedge or something? ;)

[darylB]

I can see the problem from the photo's, you were using a small hammer which meant you had to hit things multiple times, what you should have been using is a large sledge hammer, only need to hit things once, when he was banging the wall back to you a well aimed hard swing would have stopped the problem straight away. Simples.:D

Daryl

[Dicky Ticker]

Quiff--haven't read all the replies but instead of antagonising the old guy would it not be better to knock on his door and say you will be doing a bit of banging but will keep it as brief as possible and be finished by no later than XXXhrs
I put a post up ages ago about our neighbours doing a complete house refurb with three extensions and that is what he did with me so I accepted that the work had to be done and after he was finished he gave us a "Sorry" card and a bottle of Glenmorangie.


N.B. Please don't do as Richie suggests--"Snack the living crap" probably doesn't taste nice:D

[amnesia]

Over a period of five years we have reworked our house - rewire, replaced doors and windows, kitchen, boiler, building work, plastering, and we are currently rebuilding the back garden.

As we have progressed I have always told them what we are upto, apologised for the noise amd stopped hitting stuff with hammers at 7 or 8pm.

All of this is noisy work, but our neighbours are brilliant. While we were at work, they were making tea, coffee, sandwiches, pizza and chip butties for our builders!


Sounds to me like your neighbour is a cantankerous old git, but a brief chat to smooth the waters probably wouldn't go amiss. Just tell him what you are upto, invite him round for a brew or whatever and tell him its a short term thing.

Having retired people living next door to you has its advantages...they are at home when you are at work so if you get on with them they will keep an eye out on your property.


Front room looks quite cool...you sure you did it yourself?

[Foey]

I agree with the tell your neighbour what you're doing reply's, but if you havn't already try checking with your local council office, they will be able to give you the local guidelines regarding noise pollution, i did that when my old neighbour put a note through the door complaining about the noise i was making when i did our bedroom, i was hanging doors at 8.00 pm, just the screws in hinges bit as i had already done all the rest, silly old bag, if she had come & knocked on our door i would have said sorry & explained things but no only had the courage to sneak a note in the letterbox.

[Gazza77]

very simply-
been doin lots of DIY .. most of the day .. last 2 weeks.. bt of banging and drilling and some on party wall..

layed a floor and wallpapered.. nothing major noisy ..


was knocking in some cable clips at 7.30 and the neighbour was banging on the wall like an insane man ! ..


7.30 !! its cos its dark I thinkand he thinks its midnight.. he is an idiot- about 70 and retired and nothing better to do.

we are bloody good neighbours- no wild parties. not lots of bikers round all the time.. very understanding- I think he is going crazy and needs medical help.

but what is the legal standpoint .. anyone know?

One of my mates once had a similar problem with working at a similar time in an evening. Following threats from his neighbour about calling the police for disturbing the peace, he went to the police himself to ask the legal position. Once they had stopped ****ing themselves laughing, he was advised that working at the time was perfectly reasonable, and if his neighbour did call them out, no action would be taken.

[gruntygiggles]

Hey Quiff (not going to call you by your special name as I may get told off) ;-)

I know exactly where you are coming from. Some people don't moan because they actually have a problem with anything. It can be as simple as, one day you do something that annoys them a little and then after that, everything you do is cause for complaint. My old neighbour told me I wasn't allowed to park my land rover over the end of MY driveway (his house was next dorr but around the corner) as apparently the driveway was belonging to my property, but the tarmac at the end was in fact his. This was after many many issues which his wife and I never understood as we had previously got along so well. Then I got a boyfriend...who never did anything but be polite, but things changed.

I took my landlords deeds to him after he reported me to the police (I saw him showing them the end of my drive....I never heard anything from them...lol) and I was incredibly polite and just said that according to the deeds, the driveway was part of my property and the tarmac at the end was council property and showed him a letter from them, stating that I had every right to park there. He still didn't like it.

You see, some people just get a bee in their bonnet and unfortunately, when that person is retired or doesn't have much else to do in a day, they can become a real nuisance as they put so much effort into something that is in fact, extremely minor.
No amount of pleasantries will work. Just continue your work Quiff, don't be too loud too late and I like the idea of taking a bottle of whiskey or something when the work is done. You could even thank him for being so understanding and that'll really annoy him...but he'll have to be polite...lol

[plowsie]

Tell him to turn his hearing aid off!

[-Ralph-]

Well, I was gonna post that your not allowed to use your horn after 11pm, but if my neighbours were doing DIY after 10pm I'd be getting a bit irritable. Most people seem to think it should be earlier than that and guidelines that say 7pm are just ridiculous IMO, most people don't finish work until 5:30, and don't get home until after 6 to sit down to dinner. 7pm would mean you just couldn't do any DIY during the week.

[jimmy__riddle]

my neighbours were banging on the wall cos we did the hoovering at 1930! some old people just love to complain.

[Quedos]

If you want the legal point of view on this PM me Quiff - i work within ASB and can find out all the stuff you need.

[DanAbnormal]

I would carry on and just ignore him. Sounds like a prize **** to me.

[Quedos]

:?I would carry on and just ignore him. Sounds like a prize **** to me.

thats exactly not what to do Quiff will the be more of an antagoniser whixh will not look good.
normally these things are easily solved with a few choice words

[suzijax]

Just carry on its not like its an unreasonable hour for gods sake

[Quiff Wichard]

today I have been mainly painting- quietly.. whilst he had his grand children round kicking a ballagainst the fence repeatedly for 3 hours and screaming hteir heads off !!

like I say we all used to be friendly.. ass ten mins over the fence , chat on the front if gardening.. used to tell him if planned on doin summat noisy but since he threw a wobbler and his mrs rang mandy at 8pm to say is your boyfriend takin the pi$$ .. not the best opening gambit .. well, since then we aint spoken..


now, the noises I am making I cannot predict when they will be- but always betwwen 9am and 8pm so I dont know what his problem is

tbh Ithink he has issues and needs to go the doctor for stress or anxiety or something. speaking to a few other folk in the road they all said he has changed lately and they think he has gone a bot "odd".. repeating himself and stuff..

[Juju]

It's all a bit of give and take really, and at the moment, you'r doing all the taking.

Try to see it from his point of view. After say, 5, or 6 at the latest, the "working day" is over. If I get home, and every night for a fortnight, the flat adjacent was banging and hammering well into dinnertime and into the kids bed time and "corrie" time, when trying to get a bit of peace and quiet in my own home after a days graft, I'd be annoyed, especially night after night for a fortnight as you suggest in your post.

If the person making all that noise didnt show any consideration, give me a warning, and just thought that "borox, I'm doing up my house and will bang and crash all for 12 hours a day, for days on end", I'd probably have put your windows through myself.

You are being a bit selfish mate, especially if you never gave the old fella any indication for how long or how often you'd be doing it, or if there were any evenings that it's not convenient. Just because its your house, its his noise too, you share it.

Forget its an old fella, we all need consideration. If I had a hot date, or babysitting or something needing concentration, whether its the Warrington branch of the wheeltappers and shunters club coming round for a game of charades, I;d expect you to respect my wish not to disturb the evening.

I think people would expect noise from a house under renovation, and that during the working week, that "builders hours" ie til say 4pm is reasonable. (you wont see a builder at a domestic property working til 8 unless theres a very good reaon for it) or DIY'ers hours, of the weekend, but from mid am to early evening, (the relax and recooperation time) every night and then at the weekend as well, no ones getting a break from the noise.

Can't you speak to the guy, and sort out a compromise? Just becasue you want a nice house, isnt a reason to make his life a misery. Thsts just selfish. A consideration is all he;s after. A decent bottle, and a thanks, even if you dont mean it, might make the difference between him calling plod when he sees some toerag having it away with the SV, and thinking "nah, the to$$er deserves it".

[metalangel]

We've just had work done, and when I spoke to the daughter/cousin/sister of the guy next door (he's old so she comes around often) she said she'd heard every bang. I apologised and she said it was alright, I did worry as one day they turned up just before 8am to start work!

He does tell me every time I ask that he can't hear us, which is good as I have the Xbox loud. I do wonder, though, as I've heard him in his kitchen, or sneezing in his bedroom, or his stairlift whirring...

[Specialone]

Well, I was gonna post that your not allowed to use your horn after 11pm, but if my neighbours were doing DIY after 10pm I'd be getting a bit irritable. Most people seem to think it should be earlier than that and guidelines that say 7pm are just ridiculous IMO, most people don't finish work until 5:30, and don't get home until after 6 to sit down to dinner. 7pm would mean you just couldn't do any DIY during the week.

Good, who the fook wants to do diy in the week lol
I do **** like this all day long, last thing i wanna do is at home as well, rather cut me own arm orf .
Screw the diy, go out on yer bikes instead.

[Quiff Wichard]

It's all a bit of give and take really, and at the moment, you'r doing all the taking.

Try to see it from his point of view. After say, 5, or 6 at the latest, the "working day" is over. If I get home, and every night for a fortnight, the flat adjacent was banging and hammering well into dinnertime and into the kids bed time and "corrie" time, when trying to get a bit of peace and quiet in my own home after a days graft, I'd be annoyed, especially night after night for a fortnight as you suggest in your post.

If the person making all that noise didnt show any consideration, give me a warning, and just thought that "borox, I'm doing up my house and will bang and crash all for 12 hours a day, for days on end", I'd probably have put your windows through myself.

You are being a bit selfish mate, especially if you never gave the old fella any indication for how long or how often you'd be doing it, or if there were any evenings that it's not convenient. Just because its your house, its his noise too, you share it.

Forget its an old fella, we all need consideration. If I had a hot date, or babysitting or something needing concentration, whether its the Warrington branch of the wheeltappers and shunters club coming round for a game of charades, I;d expect you to respect my wish not to disturb the evening.

I think people would expect noise from a house under renovation, and that during the working week, that "builders hours" ie til say 4pm is reasonable. (you wont see a builder at a domestic property working til 8 unless theres a very good reaon for it) or DIY'ers hours, of the weekend, but from mid am to early evening, (the relax and recooperation time) every night and then at the weekend as well, no ones getting a break from the noise.

Can't you speak to the guy, and sort out a compromise? Just becasue you want a nice house, isnt a reason to make his life a misery. Thsts just selfish. A consideration is all he;s after. A decent bottle, and a thanks, even if you dont mean it, might make the difference between him calling plod when he sees some toerag having it away with the SV, and thinking "nah, the to$$er deserves it".

pheewwww that's harsh...

I don't ride an SV !

[Richie]

get the DVD when harry met sally, and record the part in the resturant...
then play it back again and again on fully volume with speaker againt the walls...

Joke... ok it was a joke...

don't do this...


yes do it , do it...


can you get you bike into the living room and tune it up...!
excuse is the light in the garage has blown... ;-)

lov you my Ex wife... ;-)

[skeetly]

my neighbours were banging on the wall cos we did the hoovering at 1930! some old people just love to complain.

Were hoovers invented back then?

[Blue Flame]

It's all a smokescreen really. The fantasy the old man had about him and Mandy was destroyed when you moved in.

Everything you are are experiencing is a reaction to a burst dream !!

:D

[Von Teese]

You should complain about him to the council, I mean banging on your wall and interrupting your DIY is just plain inconsiderate! ;)

[lukemillar]

It's all a bit of give and take really, and at the moment, you'r doing all the taking.

:lol:

[punyXpress]

about 70 and retired and nothing better to do.

8u99er me, Quiff ( but not in the biblical sense, please! you're richie's )
Take it from one who knows : what he needs is a project & aim in life davepreston's Curvy would do nicely.
Then you can be best mates & go on rideouts together & I wont always be the oldest old fart there!

[-Ralph-]

Bleedin'eck Juju. Remind me never to buy the house next to you! You sound like a nightmare neighbour. I'm living in a rented semi detached at the mo with a shift worker who is up and about all times of day and night and a teenage son who plays music a lot. We've spoken about noise just to see that we are not disturbing each other and weboth accept that so long as there isn't somebody trying to sleep we just accept that's it's part of sharing oyur bricks and mortar. If you can't cope with other folk living thier lives around you go and buy an isolated wee cottage somewhere!

[Swin]

As a shift worker myself I accept that there is going to be noise in the daytime when I'm trying to sleep - earplugs are a necessity in the summer to cut out the lawnmower noise!

As for DIY, if I can't avoid it I generally try to have all the noisy stuff done by 7 or 8pm

[dizzyblonde]

One of my neighbours are an over 70s couple. They are so deaf sometimes I have to laugh cause I can here what they are watching on the telly over mine. I must admit though they must have honeycomb walls cause they are always drilling at something, usually when I'm sleeping during the day! Earplugs always worn these days as I'm a light sleeper.

As for the other neighbours, they like to drill walls at 8.30pm, cause hes at work all day, which I don't mind but its usually when my son has just gone to bed, and they have a kid of the same age ... gah annoying neighbours are everywhere.
The worst lot are little seven year old kids that hammer on doors for their friend, even though they know hes never in at a weekend, because MUMMY WORKS NIGHTS, I swear they do it louder every weekend!

Beside I can talk I have a very noisy SV that appears at 5am or 6,30am whichever shift i happen to be on, nobody has complained yet! :-)

[yorkie_chris]

him calling plod when he sees some toerag having it away with the SV,

And what would that accomplish? :-P

[Swin]

didn't help me much when my bandit was nicked, but I suppose it's proof that it really was stolen and not fraud?

[plowsie]

I'd love to live next to Juju

'Juju, I'm having a Blonde sweedish Nymphomaniac round tonight for lots of passionate loving, I will be nailing her until the early hours of the morning. There may be a bit of noise (only from me though I suppose) Just thought I'd let you know so you don't brick me windows :D'

[dizzyblonde]

I'd love to live next to Juju

'Juju, I'm having a Blonde sweedish Nymphomaniac round tonight for lots of passionate loving, I will be nailing her until the early hours of the morning. There may be a bit of noise (only from me though I suppose) Just thought I'd let you know so you don't brick me windows :D'


LOL...Can I recommend a pair of socks covering the bed knobs, then they don't wake Juju when they knock holes in your plasterwork;)

[plowsie]

LOL...Can I recommend a pair of socks covering the bed knobs, then they don't wake Juju when they knock holes in your plasterwork;)
She'll be gagged with the socks, I think this these smilie's fit...:bounce:](*,)

[Von Teese]

I'm having a Blonde sweedish Nymphomaniac round tonight for lots of passionate loving'

Ahhh, you've ,met my friend Sasha then?

[Lou M]

I'll live next door to Juju, sounds perfect. I'm still trying to find that remote wee cottage away from all the noise, but the cows wouldn't shut up!

[Quiff Wichard]

It's all a smokescreen really. The fantasy the old man had about him and Mandy was destroyed when you moved in.

Everything you are are experiencing is a reaction to a burst dream !!

:D


you could be right Grant-

he is married .. BUT mandy wont sunbathe in the summer cos he always seems to be at the window.. .. hmmmm

[phil24_7]

Bleedin'eck Juju. Remind me never to buy the house next to you! You sound like a nightmare neighbour.

+1

Noise from a neighbour is to be expected, as long as it isn't late into the evening, and ALL the time, then there's not too much to moan about.

I remember having a couple of sherberts, and putting a 4ft mirror up on a Saturday night, while Kate was out in town. I remember looking at the clock once I'd finished drilling the walls, to discover it was 11.30! lol, oops! I had no complaints from the neighbours, who were up the next morning having a full blown argument at 7.30! It's part and parcel of living next door to someone.

[Warren]

i had a friend many years ago while i was at college, who used to play his drums in his bedroom, and we used to wail our guitars along,

we would normally stop about 7ish in the evening.

his next door neighbour made a complaint to the council once, and they sent some people round to check out how much noise we were making.

they went into the neighbours house with a bit of kit, to test noise levels,
and got us to play as loud as we usually do,

turns out that we posed no threat, and we could go a bit louder if we liked, and we could play at that level up until 2230 if we liked.


not trying to suggest that u should try this approach though ;o)

[Lozzo]

LOL...Can I recommend a pair of socks covering the bed knobs, then they don't wake Juju when they knock holes in your plasterwork;)

Who needs socks on the bedknobs? :D

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