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Warthog
02-11-09, 06:04 PM
Karzai is now declared winner after the rerun is called off?! UK congratulating him etc etc after the UN admits that the initial elections suffered from massive fraud and vote rigging in his favour?! What kind of example of democracy is that setting?! I am lost for words, as I hope you can tell from my excessive punctuation. ](*,)
are you surprised we didnt even get to vote our's in.
Spiderman
02-11-09, 06:14 PM
Modern "democracy" is a joke anyway. You get to vote for a bunch of liars who promise certain things just to get in. Once they are in they do what the hell they please and we can do nothing but vote for the other shower of sheets to replace them.
We vote out who we dont want, not vote in who we do want. How is that democratic???
This is the problem I have with our soldiers being out there, are their lives really worth giving for this corrupt bunch of cheats and liars?
Modern "democracy" is a joke anyway. You get to vote for a bunch of liars who promise certain things just to get in. Once they are in they do what the hell they please and we can do nothing but vote for the other shower of sheets to replace them.
We vote out who we dont want, not vote in who we do want. How is that democratic???
+1, absolute bunch of muppets, and i mean any politician, they just have no clue about real life, and dont get me started on the money they've been claiming for allsorts:rant:
sv-robo
02-11-09, 06:25 PM
Karzai is now declared winner after the rerun is called off?! UK congratulating him etc etc after the UN admits that the initial elections suffered from massive fraud and vote rigging in his favour?! What kind of example of democracy is that setting?! I am lost for words, as I hope you can tell from my excessive punctuation. ](*,)
You may as well have typed this post up in afghani,don't really understand a word of it,i know f,all about politics lol.:-s
Spiderman
02-11-09, 06:29 PM
This is the problem I have with our soldiers being out there, are their lives really worth giving for this corrupt bunch of cheats and liars?
Sadly the corrupt bunch were put in place to allow brit and US interests to thrive, so they need their troops in their to help maintain a phoney peace.
The bigge joke is how some people still believe that they are trying to get rid of the Taliban when in certain areas they have given the Taliban back full control because they say "its easier, they can maintain the status quo for us" :roll:
Warthog
02-11-09, 06:45 PM
Then again, can you blame them for not being able to find any candidates to run Afghanistan?! I wouldn't want that job! :)
The problem is, the spotlight of the whole world was on these elections, it was supposed to justify the entire war there and prove that democracy was the best solution for the countries people. Now that is in tatters.
We vote out who we dont want, not vote in who we do want. How is that democratic???
That is the most insightful comment I've seen for a long, long time.
As to the other. The world is run as a business, ultimately coming down to the self interest of those in power.
Would the lawlessness of the Somali pirates be allowed to continue if Somalia had oil? Every rabid western politician would be calling for intervention.
Warthog
02-11-09, 06:46 PM
You may as well have typed this post up in afghani,don't really understand a word of it,i know f,all about politics lol.:-s
Theoretical democracy = good
What is happening in Afghanistan = bad
:smt023
I was not going to comment in the thread, but I felt very strongly about the UK troops, who risk their lives on a daily basis and who have lost their lives over there just so one man pulls out of the vote at the last minute...
I feel sick.
Warthog
02-11-09, 06:48 PM
We vote out who we dont want, not vote in who we do want. How is that democratic???
I think we seriously need a RON.
Spiderman
02-11-09, 06:49 PM
That is the most insightful comment I've seen for a long, long time.
thank you.
As to the other. The world is run as a business, ultimately coming down to the self interest of those in power.
Would the lawlessness of the Somali pirates be allowed to continue if Somalia had oil? Every rabid western politician would be calling for intervention.
And you are absolutely right on both those points too mate.
I think we seriously need a RON.
Whats a RON???
Bedhead
02-11-09, 07:02 PM
Re Open Nominations ;)
I was not going to comment in the thread, but I felt very strongly about the UK troops, who risk their lives on a daily basis and who have lost their lives over there just so one man pulls out of the vote at the last minute...
I feel sick.
+1 Richie.
Those corrupt self-serving Afghans are not worth one British serviceman's life.
http://www.poppy.org.uk/media/7761/remembrance-flanders-poppy_126x142.jpg
+1 Richie.
Those corrupt self-serving Afghans are not worth one British serviceman's life.
http://www.poppy.org.uk/media/7761/remembrance-flanders-poppy_126x142.jpg
Nailed in one!!!
Warthog
02-11-09, 10:19 PM
Whats a RON???
Re Open Nominations ;)
Correct. It basically means that you can vote, but none of the candidates took your fancy. If RON wins then you have to redo the elections until someone good stands :D
Spiderman
02-11-09, 10:33 PM
If only Screaming Lord Such was still alive with his Monster Raving Loony Party, he'd be winning hands down with the number of disillusioned voters who either dont vote, like me, or end up voting for BNP almost as a protest (but hey lets not get on that BNP thing on this thread again please)
If only Screaming Lord Such was still alive with his Monster Raving Loony Party, he'd be winning hands down with the number of disillusioned voters who either dont vote, like me, or end up voting for BNP almost as a protest (but hey lets not get on that BNP thing on this thread again please)
I thought they got in last time... ](*,)
Karzai is now declared winner after the rerun is called off?! UK congratulating him etc etc after the UN admits that the initial elections suffered from massive fraud and vote rigging in his favour?! What kind of example of democracy is that setting?! I am lost for words, as I hope you can tell from my excessive punctuation. ](*,)
I completely agree. It sounds like a disgrace.
Remember the outcry earlier in the year when the Iranian election's legitimacy was called into question.
The UK should distance itself from this result and demand a free & impartial election - if the afganhistan reject this demand then we should withdraw the troops.
Biker Biggles
03-11-09, 12:39 PM
I said it from day one re Afghanistan----Lions led by donkeys.And the donkeys have not read their history books.
Get out and get out now.
squirrel_hunter
03-11-09, 12:46 PM
There is a corrupt unelected government in charge of a country full of oil. Quick, send in the troops.
There is a corrupt unelected government in charge of a country full of oil. Quick, send in the troops.
Does Afghanistan have oil?
Spiderman
03-11-09, 04:17 PM
No.
The UK and the US are there for the natural gas they have.
sv-robo
03-11-09, 04:21 PM
Theoretical democracy = good
What is happening in Afghanistan = bad
:smt023
Ok...thanks for that;)
Warthog
03-11-09, 04:32 PM
No.
The UK and the US are there for the natural gas they have.
And originally to try to capture Osama bin Laden and destroy Al Qaeda. The problem is, as the Russians found out, if you attack Afghanistan, the Taliban move over the mountains to Pakistan and you can never win. Did you know that Russia was contemplating attacking Pakistan as well to try to secure a military victory in Afghanistan!?
Spiderman
03-11-09, 04:39 PM
And originally to try to capture Osama bin Laden and destroy Al Qaeda.
Please dint ever believe that hype. That was the PR or spin they put on it to justify them going into the country.
if they'd said "look we put this puppet Karzai in to sign off the deal for the gas pipeline across the country and now we have the deal we need to secure its route and the puppet" no one would have let them away with it.
Tell the world "we are going i to catch a bad man and save lots of other people from a tyranny almost worse than our own" and the sheeples of the world will allow it.
No.
The UK and the US are there for the natural gas they have.
Didn't know there's gas there, I only knew they have opium poppies:rolleyes:
It's all thrown into sharp focus by the death of the latest British soldier to be killed in that rathole.
Defusing a bomb to protect others - how brave can you get.
Spiderman
03-11-09, 04:56 PM
Didn't know there's gas there, I only knew they have opium poppies:rolleyes:
It's all thrown into sharp focus by the death of the latest British soldier to be killed in that rathole.
Defusing a bomb to protect others - how brave can you get.
Yeh sad but true. Karzai used to work for one of the big oil companies in the region and was hand picked for the job by the Bush family and friends.
And you're right, you really cant get braver than that. And apparently he was only days away from coming home to his family and loved ones too.
squirrel_hunter
03-11-09, 11:13 PM
Does Afghanistan have oil?
Oh yeah, thats the other one. I keep getting the two muddled up. Its an easy mistake as they are both pointless wars that we are sending our troops to die in.
going back a few years .. 1982...
does the Falklands have oil.............?
answer... yes but its so deep we can't get to it yet with current tech no..
might be the same answer for another sandy poppy harvesting desolate place...
but what the heck do I know...?
yorkie_chris
03-11-09, 11:40 PM
Afghan has a natural gas pipeline.
Karzai used to work for one of the big oil companies in the region and was hand picked for the job by the Bush family and friends.Source?? I'm pretty sure this is difficult to substantiate, unless you rely on Alex Jones/Prison Planet/Michael Moore et al.
Think you'd need to be smoking the national export to believe western style democracy would work in Afghan. tbh
and now this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8341659.stm
and now this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8341659.stmEd - would I be correct in thinking that you were once sympathetic towards the Afghan war?? or was that just the war in Iraq?
Ed - would I be correct in thinking that you were once sympathetic towards the Afghan war?? or was that just the war in Iraq?
The war in Iraq. But I have received enlightenment, and it was quite a shock when it became public knowledge that we had been systematically lied to over the sexed up dossier.
The Afghan venture - what a mess.
I don't have any easy quick fix solution, but it might help if western countries generally stopped trying to impose 'westernness' on people who don't want it.
The war in Iraq. But I have received enlightenment, and it was quite a shock when it became public knowledge that we had been systematically lied to over the sexed up dossier.Enlightenment is a good thing. i'm pretty sure that the basis for the war in Iraq wasn't the only thing that we have been lied to about either.
Afghhanistan is a mess. And I agree that we shouldn't have any involvement.
I don't have any easy quick fix solution, but it might help if western countries generally stopped trying to impose 'westernness' on people who don't want it.Thing is, I don't think we're trying to impose 'westerness' (or democracy) for the good of us (security/terrorism etc) or the people who live in these countries unfortunately.
Spiderman
04-11-09, 02:01 PM
Arc, do me a favour please...when you quote someone leave the name of the person you are quoting in the quote. Saves me time having to read back up to see who said it first etc.
I'll find the source for the Karzai thing if i can.
Originally Posted by Spiderman
Arc, do me a favour please...when you quote someone leave the name of the person you are quoting in the quote. Saves me time having to read back up to see who said it first etc.
I'll find the source for the Karzai thing if i can. Thanks.
Can anyone post a link with:
1) The govts reasons that we have a military presence in Afghanistan
2) The govts reasons for backing this new Afghanistan parliament.
I would like to think/hope that behind the hyperbole that there are some solid reasons for our ongoing support. I don't want to get an opinion on this subject without further insight...
I know it's easy to say it's oil related or to get a military presence closer to the iranian border etc but can anyone give me the govts official line?
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