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Quedos
04-11-09, 09:28 AM
i just have to post it

SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
You all remember Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Arizona , who painted the jail cells pink and made the inmates wear pink prison garb. Well.........
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.
The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.
The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.
Yup, he was re-elected last year with 83% of the vote.
Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff.
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO
HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF
AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER
THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:
Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ), who created the 'Tent City Jail':
He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.
He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but 'G' rated movies.
He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.
Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.
He took away cable TV until he found out there was a Federal Court Order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked up the cable TV again; only let in the Disney Channel and the Weather Channel.
When asked why the Weather Channel he replied, 'So they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my Chain Gangs.'
He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.
When the inmates complained, he told them 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back!'

More On The Arizona Sheriff:
With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 degrees inside the week before.
Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their PINK SOCKS.
'It feels like we are in a furnace', said James Zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.'
Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!'
Way to go, Sheriff! :smt026:smt026
Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

Discuss

the white rabbit
04-11-09, 09:29 AM
He has a common sense and pragmatic approach I really admire.

Bluepete
04-11-09, 09:33 AM
I love that man! Can we start a petition to elect him to government over here?

RichT
04-11-09, 10:10 AM
This is awesome - Way to go JOE.

yorkie_chris
04-11-09, 10:15 AM
Joe for PM!

Red Herring
04-11-09, 10:22 AM
Now that's the kind of boss even I could respect...

Foey
04-11-09, 10:35 AM
They should bring him over here & make him priminister, i take my hat of to the guy.

Speedy Claire
04-11-09, 10:36 AM
I`ve read lots of articles about Sherrif Joe and I really admire the guy. What a fantastic idea... this (in my opinion) will also teach those prisoners that need it some basic skills ie. nurturing, caring, responsibility etc. and I`d go so far as to say would help them in the outside world.

Spiderman
04-11-09, 10:41 AM
Way to go Joe!

Tara
04-11-09, 10:42 AM
just what we need over here. let him start with young offenders they won't re-offend then!

pmapp
04-11-09, 10:49 AM
You see, over here nothing like that would happen. THe do gooders, human rights blah de blah would not allow it.

Sounds spot on to me, now team that with the imigration laws etc in Australia and we'd be sorted.

dizzyblonde
04-11-09, 11:02 AM
Yes, get him to sort out young offenders, might make mouthy little gits into proper people, learn some respect for others and get jobs instead of hanging about on street corners like washing on a washing line, and going against asbos.

appollo1
04-11-09, 11:13 AM
what a bloke. criminals are sent to prison as a punishment so why should they get luxuries IMO.

there would be outrage if anyone tried anything like that in the UK.

yorkie_chris
04-11-09, 11:15 AM
Or are they sent to prison to be rehabilitated? But that is different arguement.

I think this sherrifs method is doing both...

timwilky
04-11-09, 03:00 PM
Can I ask his opinion on speeding and the punishment if caught by his team

Foey
04-11-09, 03:26 PM
Can I ask his opinion on speeding and the punishment if caught by his team


Don't get caught = no punishment.

Foey
04-11-09, 03:46 PM
The guy even sells pink boxers to help fund schemes



http://www.pinkunderwear.com/

Owenski
04-11-09, 04:00 PM
He's the kind of bloke who says "why not"
My kind of leader. Joe for PM, I'll put myself forward to be a figure head PM acting under his command.

Milky Bar Kid
04-11-09, 04:13 PM
I think Joe is brilliant. None of this softly softly, playstation and pool table approach. I like the fact that he is also making sure the prisoners learn some skills though, it may be enough to stop some of them offending again.

breakz187
05-11-09, 12:29 PM
I think you all need to do your research on this guy and the state of the prison system in the USA, pretty much across the board.

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4

Graciepants
05-11-09, 01:02 PM
Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4

its 2 hours long???
im ok thanks

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 01:10 PM
I have watched 3 minutes of the video and can tell it is utter drivel.

I am sorry, but it is already advocating the use of drugs and saying that the US Govt is wrong for targetting drugs. Drugs destroy lives. We won't derail this thread with it though.

gruntygiggles
05-11-09, 01:34 PM
The video is too long to watch and I won't bother for one reason. It has been put together with an agenda and I prefer to do my own research and form my own opinions on things. It's like the whole Michael Moore/George W. Bush thing....editing is a wonderful tool when you are trying to convince people to share your views....but editing does not allow a true reflection of the facts.

There are many things that Sherriff Joe does that I feel would benefit society as a whole and yes, making prisoners work, teaching them skills, making them earn money and pay for food which also teaches them a bit of budgeting means that they will have a much better chance at getting some pride, feeling some self worth and not reoffending on release.

Do I agree with everything he does? No. I do however think that his approach is far better than the standard approach. I bet the residents in his county are happier to employ ex convicts and welcome them back to society.....that can surely only be a good thing!

Quedos
05-11-09, 01:36 PM
The guy even sells pink boxers to help fund schemes



http://www.pinkunderwear.com/

don't you just love work firewalls

www.pinkunderwear.com/ (http://www.pinkunderwear.com/) matched the following banned categories:


Pornography

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 01:37 PM
don't you just love work firewalls

www.pinkunderwear.com/ (http://www.pinkunderwear.com/) matched the following banned categories:


Pornography


:shock:

breakz187
05-11-09, 02:38 PM
Guys, all i was trying to suggest with minimal effort, was that your approval, of what has turned into slave labor is a bit questionable.

I think its good to get offenders to pay back, just that your example Joe is meant to convince retarded Americans to support this. Watch the video subjectively, like i assume you would watch or read anything else when you research. You might learn something and realise you sound pretty ignorant praising this guy.

I'm not trying to start some silly argument, but thought id mention that there is slightly more to this guy than the big headlines you hear about him and the setup.

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 02:42 PM
Its nothing more than propoganda though. And i don't think anyone is in anywya being "ignorant".

Like GG said, and I think I also said, the fact that many of the cons are learning new skills and trades and how to look after something is brilliant. Yes there are things that maybe need to be looked at but at the end of the day, you do the crime...

Spiderman
05-11-09, 02:43 PM
Brakz, without watching the vid i'm sure you got some good points there.

However i think most of the peeps here support this guy and his stance only cos its soooooo different to the stance we take towards crims in this country.

America and its legal system leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, i totally agree.

gruntygiggles
05-11-09, 02:56 PM
Brakz, without watching the vid i'm sure you got some good points there.

However i think most of the peeps here support this guy and his stance only cos its soooooo different to the stance we take towards crims in this country.

America and its legal system leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, i totally agree.


+1

My last post was to make my points. There is a mix of truth and lies in everything you read or see. I didn't watch the video because I've seen similar before, if I'm right, it's about the Drugs War in America, about Nixon and about the wrong people being targeted.

I agree that locking up the people that simply take drugs is not necessarily the best way to combat the problem. Thing is, a high percentage of drug takers break the law in order to pay for the drugs that they take. We can't simply stop punishing people just because they are not the major players. Breaking the law is breaking the law end of. Yes, it's a grey area, but the laws are there to protect society so need to be adhered to.

There are many many floors with the US system, as there are with ours. People Like Sherriff Joe because he's not just saying the things we are all saying, he's actually doing them. He's not perfect. but I'd rather people that break the law pay for it by contributing to the community, learning new skills and giving something back than simply being locked away to become even more intitutionalised, a massive drain on public funding and have luxuries that millions of people don't get that have never done a thing wrong in their life.

Quedos
05-11-09, 02:58 PM
Guys, all i was trying to suggest with minimal effort, was that your approval, of what has turned into slave labor is a bit questionable.

slave labour for crims - bring it on - we are too soft on ours anyway
human rights have a lot to answer for

breakz187
05-11-09, 03:00 PM
You should research. You may regret making these statements. The root causes and the reason those root causes exist are pretty interesting and shouldn't be ignored. That attitude is a really good way to minimise progress in anything.

This kind of acceptance of big headline politics is the reason why these guys in power get to abuse tax money etc.

Both the video i posted and the reports on this Joe dude could both be considered propaganda, like pretty much everything in the news these days.

I seem to be on some rant here, not sure why, maybe because I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

breakz187
05-11-09, 03:03 PM
Totally agree. I think prisoners, especially here get it far too easy, but when you read about how its a business to have a prison in the states and how they have blatantly gone around locking people up for to fill these places makes me sick.

They should be made to work, but not until they get the setup right and stop the profiting off of it.

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 03:05 PM
You should research. You may regret making these statements. The root causes and the reason those root causes exist are pretty interesting and shouldn't be ignored. That attitude is a really good way to minimise progress in anything.

This kind of acceptance of big headline politics is the reason why these guys in power get to abuse tax money etc.

Both the video i posted and the reports on this Joe dude could both be considered propaganda, like pretty much everything in the news these days.

I seem to be on some rant here, not sure why, maybe because I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.


I really don't think I do need to research into it. I deal with low and high level drug crime on a pretty much daily basis. I know how it works and I have an understanding of the people who are involved in it.

And you are right, a lot of the Sheriff Joe stuff will be propoganda too.

Quedos
05-11-09, 03:09 PM
I know you are playing devils advocate and I do believe in research and i'm the one normally seeing both sides - but i personally find it hard to feel sorry for those who are behind bars having done,sometimes hideous, crimes to have a better standard of life than the victim who has to deal with the effects for the rest of their lives.

I'm happy to defend my statements I make and I still believe that the crims have more rights than the victim. if you have done something against society then you payback to the community not by sitting on your backside with sky etc. I know its not easy being in there - i've been involved in projects within Barlinnie. Its not nice but its not a deterrent and many repeat - with process like this the reoffending level may drop.
I don't accept headlines at face level never have done and never will.

As for root causes - I work with day in day out and these days the generalistic view is that they feel that they deserve to be kept by the state.
I'm not saying that the process is correct as it stands but with tweaking it couldwork. In fact anything is worth a punt with our over flowing prisions

everyone is entitled to opinion and i'm not dissing yours in anyway and i think we'll have to agree to disagree on our feeling over this but if we all agreed it would be very boring world

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 03:11 PM
AND breathe Q!!!

Quedos
05-11-09, 03:12 PM
i know - i've just look back at its an appalling post. I sincerely spologise for my complete lack of punctuation. i hang my head in shame. You can tell i've been working on spreadsheets all day.

original post edited

Spiderman
05-11-09, 03:14 PM
.... I hate some of the stuff that goes on in the states, and all governments for that matter. I think especially the USA as they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

Amen to that mate, amen.

yorkie_chris
05-11-09, 04:49 PM
Totally agree. I think prisoners, especially here get it far too easy, but when you read about how its a business to have a prison in the states and how they have blatantly gone around locking people up for to fill these places makes me sick.

They should be made to work, but not until they get the setup right and stop the profiting off of it.

Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.

Milky Bar Kid
05-11-09, 04:55 PM
Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.

+1 - Great post!

breakz187
06-11-09, 12:33 PM
Go research both side of this and you might be surprised.



Are you actually saying that police, judges and juries have been locking people up just to make a prison profitable?

And they actually struggle to fill these jails enough to make a profit they're having to go out of their way to do it? If so then why these?;

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/uwire041502.html


N.B I agree that gaols, as a public service, should not be treated as businesses. However, if the inmates can work, and so reduce their cost on society, so much the better.
And slave labour? This is hardly "roots" mate, I for one would far rather be digging a road or whatever else than sat in a small concrete cube 23 hours a day.

yorkie_chris
06-11-09, 09:23 PM
Why? You bring point to the debate, you back it up :-P

Bluefish
06-11-09, 11:01 PM
skipped through the vid, was quite interesting, basically you can only controll drug use by authorising some use ie soft drugs, as in holland, and that by making drugs illegal as in america and here, you will get people going out of their way to get you to take them = no controll.

madnlooney
07-11-09, 08:43 AM
if only we could do that here. unfortunatly we have far to many human rights for criminals.
i agree with everything Joe says and does