your views if you will

[husky03]

Discuss please


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225006/Saudi-Arabian-paedophile-beheaded-crucified-string-sex-attacks-including-left-toddler-die-desert.html

and for what its worth i support this decision fully, only i'd crucify him then behead him.

[Kinvig]

I don't agree with the death penalty, period.

[PsychoCannon]

Death is too good for someone like that anyway (assuming it really was him...)

[jambo]

I have said this before, I will discuss the death penalty openly and freely once we have a justice system with 0% wrongful convictions.

Jambo

[mkz9876]

i fully support the deathof this person, its horrible behaviour and they shouldnt be alowed to carry on living having severly damaged the mental stabilty of the victims, each of his victims will serve a life sentance with the memory of it going with them to their grave at least they will have some comfort knowing he wont be able to do it to any other children,

edit: having thought about it i dont agree with the public display of the decapitated body its wrong imo

[Biker Biggles]

Well Im against the death penalty.
I also dont have much confidence in the accuracy of most judicial systems,and that would include the Saudi system.
Having said that theres always an exception to prove the rule-----?

Oh,but displaying decapitated crucified bodies in public is barbarism,and worryingly brings me back to points made above.

[Warthog]

Well Im against the death penalty.
I also dont have much confidence in the accuracy of most judicial systems,and that would include the Saudi system.
Having said that theres always an exception to prove the rule-----?

Oh,but displaying decapitated crucified bodies in public is barbarism,and worryingly brings me back to points made above.

Well, semi-related to that, punishment is also supposed to have a warning effect to prevent more crime, and you have to admit that in Britain currently there seems to be very little eveidence of strong punishment and very little evidence of criminals ever being afraid of the repurcussions. Having said that, crucifying a beheaded body is fairly gruesome...

I do support death penalty if you can be 100% sure of guilt. Whether that is possible is debatable.

[plowsie]

Make the **** suffer!

[gerbrox]

If you were one of the parents I say yes,

I have to say also, how did he pick up so many kids from school?, as young as three!!! my eldest has started school this year and we always pick her up can't imagine not doing so, maybe it's not so serious over there given the deterent, some times examples have to be made for these people who commit such crimes.

[Sally]

Agree with Warthog, if 100% guilt can be proven, I agree..

Are they're crime levels for crimes which result in hasrh/executeable(sp) punishments lower or higher than ours? I would hazard a guess at much lower, but thats just a guess..

[madness]

Assuming that the man's guilt is without question, then I think the death penalty is justified. As for the way it is done and whether it is in public or not, I'm undecided on.
It does need to serve as a deterrent, so perhaps it should be gruesome.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Hmmmmm, I don't really know where my views stand on this one. It's a tricky one.

If, for debate purposes only, we assume that yes this man is the guilty man and that it has been proven beyond doubt, then I think I do agree with the death penalty. Mainly, and not so much as a punishment, because I don't believe people who commit such acts can be successfully rehabilitated.

I believe that people that commit these acts will continue to do so in 10,15,20 years time whe released from prison. So for the sole purpose of taking one monster away, and as a result, taking any victims he would have had away, then I agree with the death penalty.

However, I do not agree with it as a punishment in these type of crimes. What kind of punishment is that? They are not going to get much suffering out of it? I think people who commit crimes like these should have to suffer ever day of their lives. Maybe then, and only then, will they have a tiny idea of what their victims suffer each day.

I dunno. It's a hard one.

[husky03]

as a parent i think that those found guilty of this offence should be shown no mercy, and that they should be dealt with in public so as to let others who think the same know whats gonna happen when their caught.

For those who are against the death penalty i respect your opinion , but if not death how would you punish those responsible for this horrific crime?bear in mind this guy was only caught because he was going to do it again,put yourself in the position of the three year old, raped, beaten, and left to die in the middle of a desert-what more horrible situation could that child have been subjected to?

[Sally]

Castration, drawn, crucified, quartered then beheaded.

Seems like a fitting punishment..

I can't think of any crime I hate more, murder is more acceptable than paedofilia. It's disgusting, how can anyone enjoy it? If anyone says it's down to them not being mentally stable, it's not, they are just scum, I don't give a doss, that's not an excuse and they should be severly punished.

[Bri w]

I don't agree with the death penalty irrespective of how flawless the judicial system may be.

For horrendous crimes then it should be life in jail. And not a cosy jail. A bed, a chair, basic food and hard labour. No TV, colour or otherwise, no recreation time, no visits - bed breakfast and work.

For lesser crimes I'd scale the sentences appropriately, and the hard labour. For a repeat offender, sorry you had your chance, double sentence. Third strike and its life.

No paroles. A tariff for the crime, and that's what would be served.

[wyrdness]

I have said this before, I will discuss the death penalty openly and freely once we have a justice system with 0% wrongful convictions.

Jambo

+1

[dizzyblonde]

To people here in such a lenient country something like this seems very shocking. It doesn't surprise me at all, my father worked in Saudi Arabia for many years, and even if caught drinking you'd have a fitting punishment. They had jewellery shops that had gold dangling from ceilings, would you attempt to steal it if the penalty was to have your right hand chopped off? No didn't think so.

So for me, its not shocking, and for a country that appears so draconian to some it seems a fitting punishment in my eyes.

[ophic]

The point here is that some sick b@st@rd left a toddler to die in the desert. If I ever caught that person i'd keep the *&%$er alive just so I could torture him for the rest of his days. It's just unbelievably sick. Imagine being that kid.

[madness]

Castration, drawn, crucified, quartered then beheaded.

Seems like a fitting punishment..

I can't think of any crime I hate more, murder is more acceptable than paedofilia. It's disgusting, how can anyone enjoy it? If anyone says it's down to them not being mentally stable, it's not, they are just scum, I don't give a doss, that's not an excuse and they should be severly punished.


Now, I'm going to throw something else into the pot, and by doing so I'm no way condoning paedophilia.

Not that many decades ago, homosexuality was thought upon as being disgusting and perverted and was indeed illegal. Nowdays it is acceptable and I believe it has even been proven that it is due to the genetic make up of individuals. In future, will we find that the attitude to paedophillia changes.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Now, I'm going to throw something else into the pot, and by doing so I'm no way condoning paedophilia.

Not that many decades ago, homosexuality was thought upon as being disgusting and perverted and was indeed illegal. Nowdays it is acceptable and I believe it has even been proven that it is due to the genetic make up of individuals. In future, will we find that the attitude to paedophillia changes.


Woah! You're throwing the cat among the pigeons there!

Although you have said you don't condone it, I don't really think it is right to put homosexuality and paedophilia in a sort of comparitive sentence like that...

[ophic]

Woah! You're throwing the cat among the pigeons there!

Although you have said you don't condone it, I don't really think it is right to put homosexuality and paedophilia in a sort of comparitive sentence like that...
I agree with MBK here. Homosexuality is 2 consenting adults. Completely different thing. It's like saying we'll eventually come to accept rape & murder. I think not.

[Spiderman]

The point here is that some sick b@st@rd left a toddler to die in the desert. If I ever caught that person i'd keep the *&%$er alive just so I could torture him for the rest of his days. It's just unbelievably sick. Imagine being that kid.

I'm with you mate. Death is too quick and too humane for this kind of scum. let them suffer like they made their victims suffer.

Only thing this story proves tho is that NOTHING is a deterrent to some scumbags. he knew full well what his punishment would be in that country yet still committed the crimes (allegedly).

the only time i'm in favour of the death penalty is when the perp is caught in the act or running away from it etc, ie ABSOLUTELY no doubt, none of this beyond reasonable doubt stuff for me.

[mkz9876]

homosexual rape = rape = wrong
rape of a minor = peodophillia = wrong
consensual sex of adults = right

its not really something you can compare, rape of an adult is about as close as you can get to that of peodophillia, its nonconsensual sex, yes it may be the genetic make up of these people but the same could be siad of rapists thiefs murderers and any other criminal

[davepreston]

if a guys guilty of a crime like this against a minor, i say dont let a judge sentce them let the family of the victim,, if they want hard labour or death its their choice due to there beliefs and consitution, me i.d ask to be left in a room for 24hrs with the evil **** and they could have the pieces that were left afterwards

[Speedy Claire]

Now, I'm going to throw something else into the pot, and by doing so I'm no way condoning paedophilia.

Not that many decades ago, homosexuality was thought upon as being disgusting and perverted and was indeed illegal. Nowdays it is acceptable and I believe it has even been proven that it is due to the genetic make up of individuals. In future, will we find that the attitude to paedophillia changes.


Can I ask are you a parent????

Judging from your statement I assume not. I`ve never heard anything so ridiculous.... Homosexuals consent to a sexual act, young children do not and cannot consent so it is therefore rape and far worse than rape in my view. I actually see the law regarding paedophillia becoming more strict. The sentences handed out are so ridiculous that they have to be toughened up... make em tougher and we might see the statistics drop.

As for the death penalty.... if it is proven without a shadow of a doubt then in this particular scenario yes I agree with the sentence.

[keith_d]

Personally, I'm against the death sentence, simply because no justice system is perfect. Every so often we hear about cases where modern DNA evidence has shown that someone previously convicted was innocent. If we'd had the death sentence it would have been too late.

The debate about the function(s) of prison is much more interesting. Which of the following is prison supposed to provide?

* Detention (preventing someone from committing offenses)
* Deterrence (detering other possible offenders)
* Rehabilitation (preventing future offences by prisoners)
* Revenge (victims seeing justice is being done)
* Deprivation (deterring future offenses by prisoners)

Something of an ethical minefield where knee-jerk reactions like "hanging's too good for 'em" don't fit very well. Indeed, the whole concept of Justice is pretty darn subjective.

Just my opinions,

Keith.

[Sally]

Madness, these weren't nearly legal teenagers, this were young children and toddlers.

If society evolves to accept paedofiles and their 'pratices', then we have some serious problems.

I know you are not condoning it, as it is impossible, but think about what you said mate.

[Stuuk1]

I totally agree with the death penalty.

I also agree with an 'eye for an eye' policy. This paedophile should not be beheaded, he should have the same thing done to him as he did to that poor child that died out in the desert.

He should be raped and then left to die of dehydration. If he thinks the child can cope with the pain, then surely he should be able to cope...

[suzijax]

I totally agree to the death penalty. If this sad b*****d was going to leave the child in the desert then they should tie him down in the middle of the desert and leave him there to die a painful but very very slow death just like he wanted this child to

[madness]

I knew that would get some reactions!

As I said previously , I in no way condone paedophilia, I believe it's the sickest, most evil thing that an adult can do against a child. What I was trying to provoke, which I obviously failed to do, is a little thought that, if paedophilia is in some way genetic, and that paedophiles cannot control thier sick cravings, does that automatically give us the right to kill them.

In answer to Speedy Claires question, No I'm not a parent, I wouldn't want to bring a child into the sort of world that we live in today. I world where they are taught not to trust and to be afraid, a world with little tolerance. But just because I'm not a parent that doesn't make me any less horrified by this story than someone who is a parent. I know what I'd do if it was my child, it would involve kidnap, petrol, a human bonfire and a long agonising death.

[ophic]

What I was trying to provoke, which I obviously failed to do, is a little thought that, if paedophilia is in some way genetic, and that paedophiles cannot control thier sick cravings, does that automatically give us the right to kill them.
Yes.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Like I said in my original post, if killing them stops them harming more children then yes, I think I would agree with a death sentence.

[hindle8907]

if he did it then yes he should be burnt alive

[madness]

Like I said in my original post, if killing them stops them harming more children then yes, I think I would agree with a death sentence.

I'm playing devils advocate again here, but surely more children are harmed by drugs than paedophiles, so do we kill all drug dealers?

[husky03]

madness i can see what your getting at with your original comment but in no way can you compare a drug dealer with a childabuser/murder-the later gains sexual satisfaction from objecting a child to horrific abuse-whether this is a genetic characteristic(sp) or not makes no difference-it is not an excuse-if you have a dog which attacks everything and anything you do the right thing and get it chapped, if a wild animal attacks humans it gets chapped-i see no difference between the behaviour of animals and that of humans, and therefore i given the choice would treat both the same and gladly carryout the punishment.

[Milky Bar Kid]

I'm playing devils advocate again here, but surely more children are harmed by drugs than paedophiles, so do we kill all drug dealers?

Wow, I can't really get your comparisons on this issue at all!!

How many of the kids who are addict to hard drugs do you think have been sexually abused at some point or another to varying degrees? Ask anyone that deals with this day and day out and they will tell that there are a HUGE amount of kids on drugs who have been!!!!!!

At the end of the day, like was answered to your last silly comparison, drugs are normally a consensual thing.

[yorkie_chris]

Anyone against, if it was your kid, I'd wager you'd cut more than his head off...

[Bluefish]

I'm playing devils advocate again here, but surely more children are harmed by drugs than paedophiles, so do we kill all drug dealers?

yes

[Bluefish]

ps, it seems to me some people don't know what devils advocate means, it does not mean you agree with what you are saying , you say it to provke a reaction , as you can tell it works.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Erm, I think we all know what playing devils advocate means.

[madness]

I've been trying to provoke some thought and not just reaction, unfortunately I only seem to have done the later.

I don't think people are on the same wavelength as me. They seem to misinterpret what I'm saying. Perhaps I'm just sh*t at communicating.

[ophic]

I've been trying to provoke some thought and not just reaction, unfortunately I only seem to have done the later.

I don't think people are on the same wavelength as me. They seem to misinterpret what I'm saying. Perhaps I'm just sh*t at communicating.
Sorry could you repeat that? :p

[anna]

I am against the death penalty.

I actually understand what madness is saying here, paedophilia is like homosexuality; it is a different sexual orientation.

Are Homosexuals wrong for their sexual orientation, no!

Paedophilia was actually a widely acceptable sexual orientation not so long ago here either. (I am not stating it is correct merely that it was acceptable not so long ago, and so understand the points made above.)

I do hate how people are quick to say that death or torture would be on behalf of the victim. How in any way is a death penalty going to take back what has been done, or help them move forward.

I understand the point that having them not able to do it again, and agree that this should be the first priority. However, should the victim at any point in their lives wish to discuss it or see their own attacker to be able to have closure for themselves (not that they would want to, but just to have the choice to) they would be unable to.

I also think that parents are understandably quick to use their emotive responses in this discussion; however, paedophilia is a very base emotion too.

[ophic]

I also think that parents are understandably quick to use their emotive responses in this discussion; however, paedophilia is a very base emotion too.
I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

[Milky Bar Kid]

I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

I think we need to get away from this word "genetic". It is not genetic in the sense that it will passed from one generation to another.

Yes, I am a firm believer it is a sexual orientation but I dont think that we can compare it to homosexuality. Homosexuality is USUALLY between two consenting parties. Paedophilia is not.

If we do not go with sentencing these people to death, then they must be locked up for the rest of their lives. They do not change. That has been proven over the years. They have tried castration. Chemical castration, mental health treatments, rehab etc etc etc and none of it has worked in the majority of cases.

If these people get let out then usually they will reoffend. That is another child which could have been protected if society had looked after them properly.

[mkz9876]

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

[anna]

I spose leaving a toddler to die in the desert will be excusable next. Cos its a "base emotion" to kill kids too is it?

If paedophilia is genetic, all the more reason to weed it out of the gene pool. But that aint what gets me. It's the callousness of abandoning a defenceless child knowing damn well it will die slowly. There's no genetic excuse for that - its just pure evil.

I in no way condoned or excused the behaviour in my post. I am sorry if you read it to be that I was.

I was pointing out that acting on "base instincts" isn´t always correct.

[Lissa]

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

What a brave post. Well done, mkz, and I am so sorry that your courage in speaking to the police was a waste of time.

[Milky Bar Kid]

when i was 14 a 40+ yr old man who i considered to be a friend attempted to abuse me nothing very serious i grant you but it scared the life out of me and fortnuately i was strong enough to fight him off it really screwed my head up for a long time and my parents going through a messy divorce didnt help matters as i didnt feel i could burden them with it and kept it to myself, it was 3 years later i heard a rumour he had done a similar thing to another young lad i couldnt live with the guilt i had not done anything when i had the chance and did something very stupid that im not prepared to announce on a public forum but suffice to say it resulted in me spending a week in hospital, i then realised that maybe i could do something and i walked into the local police station and told them, after 3 or 4 months of waiting to find out what was happening the police told me they wernt taking it any further this person got away scot free with what he did to me and what he has done to the other lad i heard about and god knows how many others, i regularly see him in the local town knowing hes laughing behind my back because he got away with it and the police belived him over me, worst of all i was warned by the investigating officer if any harm came to him my door would be first they come to,

do i agree these people should be killed? hell yeah burn the *******s at the stake one mans actions caused my life to take a downward spiral for a long time why should they be able to walk free?

people like that have no place in this world, when i have kids if anything were to happen to them my kids would spend the rest of their childhood with their dad behind bars but there would be one less of those filthy scumbags walking the streets.

Please don't think the Police believed him over you! Unfortunately this happens all too often. It is very difficult to get enough evidence in a historical report of these kinds of things.

It does come down to his word against yours but it doesn't mean that the Police don't believe you, just that they can't get enough evidence to report or charge the offender.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience but because you have put that report down on paper, there is always the chance that someone else will come forward with a similar story as you about this guy and then the Police will hopefully reinvestigate your case.

[mkz9876]

What a brave post. Well done, mkz, and I am so sorry that your courage in speaking to the police was a waste of time.


its only the fact that nobody on here knows me personaly that made me able to post that, to this day the majority of people around me dont know about it, i still have major trust issues because of it and still occasionaly go off the rails usually after seeing him in town but the point i was trying to make was that what happened to me was very minor in the great scheme of things i'd wager there are probably half a dozen visitors at least to this forum alone that have been through much much worse, although it was minor it still makes me feel sick to my stomach when i see him and sends me off the rails for a few days, i dont even need to tell the missus if i have seen him she twigs straight away whats up,

so what i am saying is that from the other side of the fence knowing there is a high chance of you bumping into the person that caused you a lot issues (for want of a better exspression) its incredibly difficult and knowing that person is now working in a leisure center is even harder,

not posting any of this for my benefit or sympathy just trying to explain how it is from the other side of the fence, hopefully it might provoke a bit of thought as to the knock on effects of these people walking free

[Owenski]

Make the **** suffer!
+10000000000000000000

My view on rapists and peodo's are very strong taking someone humanity like that is unforgivable, and thats assuming its a man raping a woman. Pedo's are the least respected sick scum of this planet. This guy combines the worst of both these 2 animals and to be perfectly honest crucified and decapitated sounds like one hell of a let off to me.

Id have him strung up, hanging by his arms for days ocasionally given water to prolong the agony of dying. Let his skin blister in the sun, maybe oil the son of a bitch to make it worse for him. Then when his body has decided it cant take anymore and it gives up and he dies, Then chop his head off and leave it to decay for a further week in the same spot.

See how many people do it again after that.

[Milky Bar Kid]

+10000000000000000000

My view on rapists and peodo's are very strong taking someone humanity like that is unforgivable, and thats assuming its a man raping a woman. Pedo's are the least respected sick scum of this planet. This guy combines the worst of both these 2 animals and to be perfectly honest crucified and decapitated sounds like one hell of a let off to me.

Id have him strung up, hanging by his arms for days ocasionally given water to prolong the agony of dying. Let his skin blister in the sun, maybe oil the son of a bitch to make it worse for him. Then when his body has decided it cant take anymore and it gives up and he dies, Then chop his head off and leave it to decay for a further week in the same spot.

See how many people do it again after that.


ah, but would it deter these people? I very much doubt it would. I believe the urge they have is too strong.

Not disagreeing with you but the leaving the head to decay bit wouldnt serve much purpose IMO

[jambo]

Anyone against, if it was your kid, I'd wager you'd cut more than his head off...

As I said in my original post. We have not yet managed a system that manages a 0% false conviction rate. This is my objection to capital punishment.

I'm generally not a fan of mob justice.

However, the people that are prepared to do this should be removed from society and never released, for any reason other than new evidence acquitting them of the original crime.

Jambo

[ophic]

As I said in my original post. We have not yet managed a system that manages a 0% false conviction rate. This is my objection to capital punishment.

I'm generally not a fan of mob justice.

However, the people that are prepared to do this should be removed from society and never released, for any reason other than new evidence acquitting them of the original crime.

Jambo
I agree with this as long as society can sustain the cost of keeping them. Should it ever fall to the point where there's not enough food/money to go around, imho they should be the first to go. Maybe we could just ship them off somewhere? somewhere nice & sunny with glorious beaches :smt119

[Owenski]

ah, but would it deter these people? I very much doubt it would. I believe the urge they have is too strong.

Not disagreeing with you but the leaving the head to decay bit wouldnt serve much purpose IMO

It wouldnt decay much in a week anyway, but it would serve as a strong enough reminder to anyone who saw it there. I have no respect or even a second of my time to offer anyone who prays on children, detest isnt a strong enough word.

[sinbad]

The death sentence seems like such a good idea. What better way to punish someone for such an abhorrent crime than to extinguish their existence?
It's interesting that we make a case against it because our judicial system is flawed. Does it help us sleep at night knowing that instead of taking someone's life we have simply denied them the right to live, so it's not so bad if we're wrong about their guilt? That's nice. At least we can release them at a later date should we bother to reopen the case or hear an appeal.

To me that seems a little absurd. Either we have faith in "the system" or we don't. If we don't we should be just as reluctant to imprison someone for a long time as we are to take their life. If we do then punishment should be determined by what we hope to achieve. If we think life imprisonment is too lenient and not enough of a deterrent to others, and we think the best way to stop a crime being committed again (by the offender or anyone else) is to execute the guilty party and make sure everyone knows about it then it must be in the public interest to execute the person.

They've found him guilty, they have confidence in their system. They want to stop it happening again. In a way you have to admire that, but of course it's easy to say that if you're not a wrongly convicted person with a week to live.

[Milky Bar Kid]

It wouldnt decay much in a week anyway, but it would serve as a strong enough reminder to anyone who saw it there. I have no respect or even a second of my time to offer anyone who prays on children, detest isnt a strong enough word.

i am not arguing with that! What I am trying to say is that many of these people are driven by urges. It is a sexual orientation. Not a right one, and I am NOT comparing it to homo or hetro sexuality. I really don't think any sort of punishment will deter them.

[Owenski]

i am not arguing with that! What I am trying to say is that many of these people are driven by urges. It is a sexual orientation. Not a right one, and I am NOT comparing it to homo or hetro sexuality. I really don't think any sort of punishment will deter them.

I should have put some smileys in my post, I wasnt arguing either lol. Just letting the rage filter through a little more :)

I think I know what your saying, those that feel the need to do it will do it/find a way to do it regardless of the consiquence because they will be urged to do it by something more primal thats inside them - is that correct?

But I do still belive that if they were punished in the way which I said previously then there would be less occurances. Once someones done it, I know that they'll do it again and again until they're caught but even prolonging that period until they do the first attack is surely a result. Thats why I still think a long and public torturous extermination is the only punishment.
At the very least it should be an incarseration for 6months until the families of the victims/the survivors themselves have had time to reflect on a suitable punishment. Once they have reached a decision then what ever they wish for should be made reality.

[Kalessin]

But the article is from the Daily Mail! That means it's at best 50 per cent accurate.

Not that many decades ago, homosexuality was thought upon as being disgusting and perverted and was indeed illegal. Nowdays it is acceptable and I believe it has even been proven that it is due to the genetic make up of individuals. In future, will we find that the attitude to paedophillia changes.

Good grief.

All sort of things that have been illegal in the past are now perfectly legal. None of them have anything to do with paedophilia, either. You might just as well say that because it didn't used to be a legal requirement for motorists to wear seat belts or crash helmets, maybe one day paedophilia will be legal. It's about as relevant, but without the homophobic undertone.

[Brollydolly]

My personal opinion is that they're right to execute him, the crimes that were carried out were dispicable.
Again my personal opinion, i'd have him tortured, let the families of the victims have their pound of flesh.
I'm sure the "wooly" brigade will have some form of opinion on it, but who are we to interfere in another countries laws?
If you don't like the laws then don't live their or commit the crimes in the first place.
Same goes for immigrants over here, but that's a different kettle of fish all together.

What should constitute the death penalty though?
Murder?
Paedophillia?
Rape?
Drink driving?
Shop lifting?

Should a plea of diminished responsibilities be taken into account to give a lesser sentence?
As is the case alot of the time.

Abi

[Milky Bar Kid]

Hmm, whilst I semi agree with the death penalty, I will refer to a post I made in a similar previous thread....:

Folks, I'm afraid that unless any of us has been in the position of the victim, or the victims family, then we cannot actually say how we would react.

This incident is terrible. It is terrible, horrific, painful and horrible but we cannot start demanding that "if it was your family you would want him dead" and therefore insist he should be killed.

I have my own personal views on this and what I believe the punishment should be, views which I do not wish to go into but can we please stop assuming we all, as uninformed (for want of a better phrase) "rubber-neckers" who do not know the family, can possibly understand what they are going through or what they want as justice?.

I have personal experience of this kind of thing, no more than that needs said. I think that sometimes we are all too quick to presume that the families/victims want the person tortured or dead.

Just something to think about.

PS, link to thread : http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=137052

[Swin]

+10000000000000000000

My view on rapists and peodo's are very strong taking someone humanity like that is unforgivable, and thats assuming its a man raping a woman. Pedo's are the least respected sick scum of this planet. This guy combines the worst of both these 2 animals and to be perfectly honest crucified and decapitated sounds like one hell of a let off to me.

Id have him strung up, hanging by his arms for days ocasionally given water to prolong the agony of dying. Let his skin blister in the sun, maybe oil the son of a bitch to make it worse for him. Then when his body has decided it cant take anymore and it gives up and he dies, Then chop his head off and leave it to decay for a further week in the same spot.

See how many people do it again after that.

There's a famous painting, can't remember who did it now, but it shows a pickpocket being hanged, while other pickpockets are working the crowd of people who have turned up to see the execution.
I don't think your torture method would put too many of these paedophiles off, they're not right in the head and can't be reasoned with imho.

[yorkie_chris]

but who are we to interfere in another countries laws?

According to Comrade brown, we are perfectly justified to do that... There are lads out there :rolleyes:defending our freedom:rolleyes: in Iraq and Afghan now interfering in their laws :smt044