Crashed.

[barwel1992]

comming out of colage stoped at a crossing still in the colage and pulled of and the rear wheel hit black ice and spun and threw me off round a corner :( was nothing i could do

pushed the bike away as i was nearly on the floor as i dident want it landing on me, landed hands down and knee down brused knee but leathers took all the heavy damage

both brake leavers are snaped clean off, radiator is bent on the mounting tabs will remove to inspect when i get home. exhast link pipe is dented at the bottom where it hit the floor thank god the can is ok, but i think the handle bars are bent :( so need new ones

all in all not that bad as long as the radiator is ok

pride is hurt thogh as it was lunch time couldent get the bike up as it was nearly on the curb and in a funny position took 3 of us :compcrash:

costing £100 to get it recoverd as my brake down cover doset cover me for accidents...

any one know the diamiter of the bars for the sv ?

:(

[Nobbylad]

Ouch! Sorry to hear that mate, good news is you're not too badly hurt. Might want to get checked out for sure though. Can't believe your breakdown doesn't cover you for accidents!

You should have told them it wouldn't start and the damage was after you tried bump starting it and fell off or summat. ;)

[barwel1992]

lol well as they sead you are 14miles away from ure home and wont come to recover you as ure out of the 10mile radious of ure home all they can do is take me to a bike shop, and then sead but as it hasent broken down we cart realy do any thing, bugger that i want it home not at a shop so paid £100 to get it home ....

and thanks

[xXBADGERXx]

Shame that , happened to me in the staff car park beginning of this year , but my CRASH BUNGS , took the hit .......... it was the first thing I fitted to my SV . eBay and the For Sale/Wanted sections are going to be your friend here . Another thing that is handy to have under your seat is a thing called a "Fixer-Peg" , nice little handy Xmas present if somebody needs to get you something http://www.fixer-peg.co.uk (http://www.fixer-peg.co.uk/)

The fixer peg comes in handy for broken Gear/Rear Brake levers . I know you broke the front one and not a lot can be done with that if it`s the wholel lever , but still a handy thing to own . It`s all fixable lad and you are ok which is the important issue here . GWS .

[LK-SV]

Bad luck mate ... it was very slippery this morning ... I felt the bike move on a junction, and I couldn't have been going more than 10mph !!!!

The heavy SV is certainly seems to move around more than my lightweight 125 that I was running last year !!!

Either that, or my Dunlops are crap in the cold weather .. I've been quite happy with them til now .... maybe I'll let a bit of air out ... did pump them up this morning ....

[xXBADGERXx]

maybe I'll let a bit of air out ... did pump them up this morning ....

I was told to NEVER do this by a very experienced biker and to take things a lot slower . No matter what you do , when you come to Acceleration and Braking you risk breaking traction no matter what you do in conditions like that . If you have to slow down in really Icy conditions I was advised to pull the clutch in and let the bike coast a little if it is safe to do so , then release the clutch slowly to avoid jolting the bike , as putting any brake on will stop the rotation of the Wheel and cause the Tire to lose what little grip it has . Avoid sudden changes in direction as well was some good advice . And ride in as high a gear as is possible for the conditions , you don`t want to stall but at the same time you don`t want to be transferring too much power into the back wheel . All sound advice from a Police Rider of vast experience .

[mr.anderson]

Oi mate... get some crash bungs yeh.

;)

[LK-SV]

I was told to NEVER do this by a very experienced biker and to take things a lot slower . No matter what you do , when you come to Acceleration and Braking you risk breaking traction no matter what you do in conditions like that .

Oh right ..

I used to run my Lotus at different pressures depending on the weather .... just a couple of psi difference made all the difference ....

[xXBADGERXx]

Oh right ..

I used to run my Lotus at different pressures depending on the weather .... just a couple of psi difference made all the difference ....

And it had 2 wheels more than your SV . Letting air out of the Tires increases the contact patch by a tiny amount , but this contact patch will still run the risk of losing grip on Ice and also make it harder to maneuver the bike at slower speeds .

[LK-SV]

And it had 2 wheels more than your SV .

Yeah ... I'm sure you are right ..... just a thought .....

[xXBADGERXx]

I managed to ride the Iciest day in ages this year . I got 14 miles and was practically at work and what I found out on that ride , taught me a lot . Don`t ride with your legs down as you affect your natural balance of the bike , keep your feet on the pegs and ride slowly , try not to change direction when on Ice , the clutch is your friend and even the slightest amount of Braking causes a buttock clenching moment ..... not having a go at anyone here , just trying to make sure you all get home with the rubber side down . Anyway , back to giving Barwel a bit of tea and Sympathy :)

[LK-SV]

Badger .... I can offer better advice !!!

Don't ride if its that bad !!! lol

[hindle8907]

unlucky dude .... Hope u get sorted ....

ant.

[xXBADGERXx]

Badger .... I can offer better advice !!!

Don't ride if its that bad !!! lol

I know dude , but I had no choice , the conditions here were not so bad , as I got closer to work they changed dramatically and I got within 200 yards of work and dumped it , at 5mph , in a straight line with no brakes on ........ the conditions were so bad that they couldn`t lift the bike up .

[LK-SV]

and I got within 200 yards of work and dumped it , at 5mph , in a straight line with no brakes on ........ the conditions were so bad that they couldn`t lift the bike up .


:D ..... the truth is out now !!! :D

[xXBADGERXx]

Barwel , give your Suzuki Dealer a call , you may be surprised at the cost of OEM levers compared to eBay , sometimes it can be cheaper . If the Rad is not peeing anything out then it may be ok , they are mounted on Rubber grommets so have a touch of movement but it is not a lot so I would keep an eye on that . I`ve also heard that bikes sometimes fail to start as they have a tilt switch built into them for such accidents . They sometimes reset after a while but I am not up to date on the info of them and if the SV has one or any problems with them after a ditching .

[mustnt grumble]

lol well as they sead you are 14miles away from ure home and wont come to recover you as ure out of the 10mile radious of ure home all they can do is take me to a bike shop, and then sead but as it hasent broken down we cart realy do any thing, bugger that i want it home not at a shop so paid £100 to get it home ....

and thanks


This college you go to..........

[xXBADGERXx]

:D ..... the truth is out now !!! :D


I thought Black Ice was a load of balls but this happened so quickly that I couldn`t even get a hand down to stop my fall and ended up with Broken Ribs and a Haematoma on my knee like an Elephant Seal`s nose , so I can understand what has happened to the young feller here . you really have to be "Mincy Mincy" with the controls in very Icy Weather .

[jambo]

Oh poo.
This falling off club's getting a touch too popular this week.

Hope all's sorted out reasonably cheaply.

Jambo

[Spiderman]

Ah well, at least you're ok. thats the important bit, right.

[Nobbylad]

Look out for Bike-Tek levers from your local shop, I picked a set up for my K8 for around £20.

They do different colours too!

[barwel1992]

thanks lads :)

rad is not leaking just the hanger that bolts the rad on to the frame is bent about 2cm ish

brake lever snaped from the cylinder and foot brake snaped about 2inch from the joint. handle bars are bent about 2cm up and bar end shaved down about 1.5cm to the bolt.

not to bad i think it can be fixed for about £60-80ish can get a OEM brake lever for £14inc deliver and the rear is £22....bit steep, think i need new peg(s) as its scraped away at the bottom where it conects to the rear set but not nessosary and new handle bars not sure how much they are going to cost but have OEM for now

looking at the damage the crash bungs would have only saved the radiator from damage but still will be geting some..

[Dave20046]

Bet your glad you didn't have pazzo levers and expensive rearsets :mrgreen:

Atleast you are ok :thumbsup: (and so's the bike by the sounds of things)

[barwel1992]

yup althogh small levers would have just missed the ground i think

and yup glad the bike aint to bad realy as it traveld about 2metres on its side got some nice score marks in the road now, also complaind to colage andthey are going to grit the road in future

[gfewster]

Bad luck fella, get well soon and I hope the damage doesn't prove too expensive.

I've come across that issue before with breakdown insurance, I was totally gobsmacked. It happened when my wife spun my car on some black ice and pranged it into a fence. Her dad had bought her the most expensive grade of AA cover, and they told her "it doesn't cover recovery from accidents, call a garage or your insurers".

[Nick_69]

Bad luck mate happens to the best of us.

[xXBADGERXx]

looking at the damage the crash bungs would have only saved the radiator from damage but still will be geting some..

And have you seen the price of Radiators ? Second hand they are like Hen`s teeth to get hold of because those SV`s , not fitted with Bungs that have had a good impact with the ground , tend to trash the Rads , especially an SV with Clip-Ons . Your bars may have been your saving grace for your Rad in the initial impact .

[blueto]

Bad luck mate happens to the best of us.

certainly does!.

least you ok fella!

[sv-robo]

Total bummer mate:((glad your ok)....at least it only seems to be your pride that came off worse,& as for the limited bike damage........you get to buy more bling:)

[beabert]

Sad to hear mate.

At least that carbon mudguard is ok ay :):):) id upgrade your breakdown cover now whilst your thinking about it.

3 people to lift it? lol, the SV is well light.

[BanditPat]

I was told to NEVER do this by a very experienced biker and to take things a lot slower . No matter what you do , when you come to Acceleration and Braking you risk breaking traction no matter what you do in conditions li...... .

Trying to ride where the cage wheels have been is what i was told as well rather than your normal road position. Worked when i was trying to get back from Keswick in the snow last year, Managed to keep up a reasonable speed as well.

[Juju]

The positives are

You walked away from it - You haven't hurt yourself much.

It's not going to cost a lot to fix.

YOu learnt something valuable about riding conditions, and riding generally.

But it still feels horrible doesn't it. But give it a few days, you'll be fine again.

[barwel1992]

thanks all :)

and it took 3 of u because of where it was (up a curb with muddymuddy grass that was to slippy to stand on) so had to lift it from the wrong side and with me shaken up i wasent exactly in the wright frame of mind lol

now the good news :D radiator is fixed and back on the bike ready for new coolant and a final leek test

handle bars are fine its the riser blocks that are fooked the bolt that holds them on to the top yoke has bent on the right hand side and the other twisted slightly so made the bars look bent

thats as far as i have gotten so looks like £50 should cover it :) new tires going on soon as the ones i had on there were CR*P maxxis super maxxi never again ..... so have the avon storm st's comming to give them a try

any one know where i can get some aftermarket riser blocks/bar clamps

[petevtwin650]

Very bad luck Barwell. :(

Luckily it sounds like it'll not cost you too much to repair. At least to make it roadworthy, if not A1.

You could try Diamonds in Rugby. He can get most things in from his catalogues quickly.

[barwel1992]

^ cool thanks :) im in no rush as i dont need it till next monday

will be ordering some parts to night :) like brake leavers and some foot pegs :) and bar risers IF i could find some

[xXBADGERXx]

Have you damaged your other risers ? In which case I would just go to local ironmongers or suchlike and get a Stainless bolt of the correct length and run it through into the Yoke .

[maviczap]

new tires going on soon as the ones i had on there were CR*P maxxis super maxxi never again ..... so have the avon storm st's comming to give them a try
any one know where i can get some aftermarket riser blocks/bar clamps

Even Avon storms aren't going to help on black ice mate. I've been sideways in a 4x4 on black ice.

You need some of those Ice racing tyres, with those bloomin big spikes :p

But at least you're ok.

Wemoto for brake levers and maybe Busters for handlebar risers

[barwel1992]

not sure yet all i know its lifted at the front a bit on the right and twisted round on the bolt

so will inspect further

[barwel1992]

Even Avon storms aren't going to help on black ice mate. I've been sideways in a 4x4 on black ice.

You need some of those Ice racing tyres, with those bloomin big spikes :p

But at least you're ok.

Wemoto for brake levers and maybe Busters for handlebar risers

thanksfor that :)

will these fit ?

http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/productinfo/MAP528423/Bars-And-Footrests/Handlebar-Risers/Belmont-Precision

[xXBADGERXx]

When I dumped it , I was using Storms as well , so no guarantee ANY rubber will keep you upright . I`m pretty sure it will be just the bolt that`s cream crackered mate . You may have deformed the Ally in the riser slightly but a little care with a file and a new bolt (at your own risk ... yadder yadder yadder) and you should be good to go .

[xXBADGERXx]

thanksfor that :)

will these fit ?

http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/productinfo/MAP528423/Bars-And-Footrests/Handlebar-Risers/Belmont-Precision

Depends if the diamater of the hole that runs through them is the same as the one for the SV Yoke . Is the SV Yoke a threaded hole or are the risers held in place with a bolt/washer/nut ?

[maviczap]

thanksfor that :)

will these fit ?

http://www.busters-accessories.co.uk/productinfo/MAP528423/Bars-And-Footrests/Handlebar-Risers/Belmont-Precision

Should do, but I have a Sv650s with clipons :p

Will have risers when I do my front end conversion, which will have a new top yoke

[barwel1992]

its held in with a bolt (requires removal of the top yoke)

i have just found that you can get the bolt seperate that runs through the middle so might just do that :)

[maviczap]

Depends if the diamater of the hole that runs through them is the same as the one for the SV Yoke . Is the SV Yoke a threaded hole or are the risers held in place with a bolt/washer/nut ?

From memory the risers are held in place with a bolt?

But I may be talking complete carp:rolleyes:

[xXBADGERXx]

I`d save your money mate and just run a new bolt . My mate dropped his GSX1300 in a car park with me on the back , we were sat astride it trying to keep the bugger off the deck . Eventually we ran out of strength and let the bike go and it was 1mm off the crash bars , the be all and end all of it was that his bars were not straight . He fretted about it and tried to source new risers for it . Upon taking it apart it turned out to be a bent bolt after all .

[lee67]

sorry to hear m8...as said happens to us all at some point, i went 26 years before my first off in may this year:smt009....least ur ok and bike is a cheap fix;)

[barwel1992]

thanks and yup verry lucky i dident need a radiator

[Philbo]

Bad luck mate, sounds like your OK though and the damage isn't too bad. Not a bad result really!

Hope you get your MOJO back soon!:riding:

[barwel1992]

thanks :)

right orderd my stuf well apart from one thing order brake lever £11 rear folding non snap brake leaver £27 (STEEP) and foot pegs £14 not bad total £53 ish and just going to get bolts for risers if i can should be about £4 for 2 so not bad, under £60 at least:)

[mikelcfc]

ride with no clutch and no front brake??? bin there done that

[barwel1992]

nope no back brake or front brake ;) levers were snaped so short i actuly couldent ride it also radiator was hanging off :P

[petevtwin650]

nope no back brake or front brake ;) levers were snaped so short i actuly couldent ride it also radiator was hanging off :P

That's a problem with the universal acceptance (years ago) of brakes on the right and gear changing on the left. Before, in the good old days (Yawn), the rear brake and gear lever were on the other sides, so in a spill you still might have one working brake.

Some zip ties might have temporarily held the rad. Always worth carrying some big ones under the seat together with a fixer peg, spare set of levers and puncture repair kit. Easy to say after the event though.

[sunshine]

im guessing you was sat on the seat before you came off?
ice warning, get on pegs off roading style spend most of my 7 miles to work on ice and keeping slight amount of control, and as for braking the car in front has there rear bumper at the right height so that your tyre hits in only and thats how you slow down/stop :D :D :D

oh almost forgot gws and good luck fixing you the bike.

[barwel1992]

pete ha yeh and then theres the point of carrying it all, its diforent when doing more than 20 or so miles butjust seems pointles for 14miles well did until today

i think im going to get a spare brake and clutch lever in the back just incase and atleast its safer than a short term fix


^^ lol to the above post im not standing up for 14 miles lol

[Owenski]

dont worry about the bike or your self pal, its your ego thats gonna be the hardest to fix. Out side collage, oh nuts :O you'll be known as "that guy" forever more.

;) Glad your not too hurt tho fella, all will heal.

[barwel1992]

^ yup but its not that bad as im now know as that kid that has a 650 at 17 :P and not a 125 so not all bad and im no show off but the upsides sort of balance out the down sides

lol even the 30+ yearold care takers were amazed that i was on a 600 people know nothing thogh and probs thorght i was riding it ilegaly

the anoying part was that the princible was there aparently and just fu*kd off even thogh he saw it happen

[Dave20046]

buy a fixer peg (daviesv sells em)

[barwel1992]

woo im a happy bunny to day :D the handle bar clamp bolt was not bent it had come lose and the other had twisted puling the bars back slightly making the bolt apeard bent

still have to remove the bloody yoke thogh to torque the bolt....typical

and my new avon storms came a blimy the tred is beefy compaird to the ones i have on there, also only cost me £65 for front at £72 for the rear :D or somthing like that dont have the paper in front of me

[xXBADGERXx]

Glad the Yoke wasn`t too much of an issue , thought as much , they are quite beefy to be honest , the bolts aren`t so they tend to bend or get the threads stripped on them despite their size . The Storms are a good all round tire , but still be very wary on Ice ok .

[barwel1992]

^yup :)

and yeh i know i just hope the dont take to log to bedin i have scufed them up with some sand paper as told buy the shop i got them from

seems like i have done my sholder in a bit it has gone verry stif and a bit painfull will see how it goes

[barwel1992]

just looking at the fixer peg and looks good but at £19 its a bit steep any where that sells them cheeper ?

[petevtwin650]

Only available through the website I believe, but DavieSv who is a member on the site sells and makes them

http://forums.sv650.org/member.php?u=3738

The idea came after doing rideouts where somebody came off and broke a foot lever, and we had to cobble up a workable peg. This works perfectly.

I believe he does offer a discount to Org members but I may be wrong.

[barwel1992]

ok cheers :)

[xXBADGERXx]

^yup :)

and yeh i know i just hope the dont take to log to bedin i have scufed them up with some sand paper as told buy the shop i got them from

seems like i have done my sholder in a bit it has gone verry stif and a bit painfull will see how it goes


Waste of time doing that , just take it easy for the first few miles on them and they will wear through the coating and release compound they have on them from the moulding process . As far as your shoulder goes , I have found over the years that they tend to stiffen up so I try and keep on the move by doing things like making a brew and avoiding heavy work with the affected area . Even when strapped up it paid to do a very light excercise to keep the muscles moving . Now this is not medical advice by any stretch of the imagination and should really be advised by a medical professional on a case by case scenario , so just pop into the Docs , mention you had a spill and get yerself a nice healthy supply of Co-Codamols for any pain .

[xXBADGERXx]

just looking at the fixer peg and looks good but at £19 its a bit steep any where that sells them cheeper ?

It`s not as steep as buying £100 worth of breakdown recovery is it ? , what you will find is that it is a bit of kit that you will never ever need to use because you bought one and never had an accident again :rolleyes: . Under my seat is a Puncture Repair kit , Fixer-Peg and a Fuel Transfer line ............ the Fuel Transfer line is the only thing that has been used to bail out a couple of friends and myself once in a "Hey I`m too stupid to remember to fill up" scenario

[barwel1992]

cheers for both replys :) and yup u are right better than £100 lol but wouldent of helped yesterday but will get one just incase

[xXBADGERXx]

No you are right , it would not have helped at all , and from this thread I have decided I might as well throw my clutch lever under the seat as well . It has a broken Ball-End on it but it is better than no lever at all and I might source an emergency Brake lever as well . Oh I also have an emergency Soft Link for my chain as well under the seat .

[barwel1992]

^ thats a lot of stuf under you seat lol, suprised u dont have tined beans and a gas burner :D

i will take a pic of the lever later, and to be honest i realy dont fancy trying to stop with just my rear brake

[xXBADGERXx]

^ thats a lot of stuf under you seat lol, suprised u dont have tined beans and a gas burner :D

i will take a pic of the lever later, and to be honest i realy dont fancy trying to stop with just my rear brake

I could probably squeeze them in as well with a bit of patience , I hardly use the rear brake , only if I have to . I spend more time keeping it free from seizure than I do using it which is the majority of the problem with it .

[barwel1992]

lol i find the back brake prety naff :/ i have goldfren sintered pads and still find it prety bad but geting braided lines after christmas to see if that improves them, they did improve when i cleaned the cylinders and seals but not by much so fingers crossed a new bleed and lines/fluid will bring them back to life a bit

[xXBADGERXx]

Braided line won`t help improve the rear very much , making sure your Piston is in good fashion and seals are good with fresh fluid is first port of call . Decent pads that have had time to bed in to the Disc and one of the most overlooked things is the lever itself . Get that adjusted to the correct position for your riding and make sure the bearing surface where it goes onto the footpeg is greased . These can gum up surprisingly quickly in the Winter . Sintered pads are probably a waste of time on the rear as well . Somebody will come along and dispute this shortly and I think it is down to personal preference , a good working system with pads mated to the Disc is the very least that you should be running .

[barwel1992]

^ cheers for that will keep it in mind :) may only go with braided lines on the front because its cheeper than all round and as you say not realy nessosary on the back

[xXBADGERXx]

Definate improvement on the front , especially if you live in an area like mine where riding is good or go on the rideouts with us next year and give the brakes a good workout . I`m not much of a Braker wholesale anyway , in fact I only just removed the OEM pads from an `03 SV , but in the times where I have needed to rely on those anchors (such as having the Badgeress on the back) they have been there for me and good enough .

[barwel1992]

lol my rear pads were comming of the backing :| i was like wat the hell when i saw the, and yeh befor i cleaned the pistons i slamed my brakes on with the gf on the back and nearly rearanged the back of a BMW and i wasent that close but it was down a hill but luckly i managed to swerve to and avoid him. thats when i started to think about making the brakes better

and i live near the fosse way so have some roads that could use some better brakes :)

[LK-SV]

Bad luck mate ... it was very slippery this morning ... I felt the bike move on a junction, and I couldn't have been going more than 10mph !!!!

The heavy SV is certainly seems to move around more than my lightweight 125 that I was running last year !!!

Either that, or my Dunlops are crap in the cold weather .. I've been quite happy with them til now .... maybe I'll let a bit of air out ... did pump them up this morning ....

Well I was right in a sense!! Lol.

Checked the pressures on MY guage today (didn't have chance the other day) and the BP tyre machine is reading a good 10% (or 3psi) too high !!!!

[barwel1992]

^ hmm thanks for reminding me i need to check mine

well spent a good 5 hours on the bike today , foot brake lever has been replaced greeced and switch adjusted, had the tank off air filter off, sanded a polished the top handle bar clamps as they were in a bit of a sorry state, fitted bars back on re atached top yoke, re routed throttle cables to the other side to give more cable at the bars, spent 30min trying to get the cables back in the trottle tube ..... and fitted it all back to gethere , then replaced the coolant bled system of air, and then couldent start the bike, so bumpe started it and now all is fine just wating on new front brake lever and pegs :)

[liamsimpson]

oh mate just seen this, i am gutted for you! At least you are ok though, bike is replaceable you aren't!

P.S Those cables are a complete nightmare!

[barwel1992]

oh mate just seen this, i am gutted for you! At least you are ok though, bike is replaceable you aren't!

P.S Those cables are a complete nightmare!

Thanks :)

And yup they are a bloody pain, i decide to completely remove the air filter box when i did them just so i could do a proper job with them.

Well bikes on the road now although i think the fork are twisted so need to check those at some point to day

also found that the rear brake lever i got doesn't let my take the bike off the Abba stand so it will be going back and the foot pegs are pants quality so will send them back as well and just get the OEM stuff