View Full Version : Some drivers are beyond belief!
When you're riding a bike, you can see why some people might not see you/take into consideration a bike might be there or whatever...I guess that goes with the territory.
But when you're driving a car, and another car driver does something ridiculous, it really gets you wondering.
So I was just driving around in Milton Keynes (this happened like 10minutes ago)! For those who don't know, MK is a lot of dual carriageways, seperated by roundabouts. A lot of these dual carriageways have exits into, and entries from residential/industrial estates between the roundabouts, in the form of junctions.
So I was in lane1, doing about 75mph I'd say, and I could see a car approaching one of the junctions to my left. Out of courtesy, I'd usually move into the right lane to give the person room to pull out. But I was going to turn left at the roundabout just ahead, and as I was going fast-ish, thought I'd just stay in my lane...the driver see's me from some way ahead, yet still decideds to pull out!!! (assuming I was going to move for him I suppose!)
Anyway, so I sweve out into lane 2, as he's already planted himself in lane1, and I horn the hell out of him!
Sorry rant over, but ridiculous driving. How do some people get a license I wonder!
Feel better now ?? lol
Expect the unexpected .... and don't let it wind you up ....
.... do as I say not as I do ..... lol
Dave20046
01-12-09, 02:16 PM
I reckon you're going to get flamed by all the members who's idea of bad driving is their head through the window :razz:
Spiderman
01-12-09, 02:16 PM
too many a-holes on the roads, its that simple mate.
Dave20046
01-12-09, 02:17 PM
Luckily davepreston keeps the majority of them occupied for the rest of us.
mabee you have let the other driver out in the past and they remember you. or they are a complete moron. either way you read the situation and avoided a collision, which most people would not, coz most drivers on the roads in britain are morons.
lol! sometimes I wish I had a monster truck on the road. I wudda crushed the living daylights outta this tool!
the_lone_wolf
01-12-09, 02:19 PM
It's a good thing none of us ever make a mistake, oh no...
lol! sometimes I wish I had a monster truck on the road. I wudda crushed the living daylights outta this tool!
Are the MK's dual carrageways a 75mph limit ?? :confused::D
If you were going that fast .... surely you could have come round him, and still left ??
Did you slow down when you saw him approach the junction ?? Did you check your escape route ??
He should have waited ... but you realise when you start ranting it blows your arguement out of the water ?!?!?!..... :D
Dave20046
01-12-09, 02:30 PM
in thulfi's defence, (on the speed thing) I bet 75 on the speedo is around 70mph real speed.
Are the MK's dual carrageways a 75mph limit ?? :confused::D
Nope, they sure are not. Though I don't think my 5+mph made this tool pull out. Surely the faster I was coming, the less likely he'd be to move out (within reason, not like I was doing 100!). Also this stretch was straight, so visibility was not an issue.
If you were going that fast .... surely you could have come round him, and still left ??
I guess I could have as I ended up turning left anyway. But I believe the give ways on him, and I'm under no obligation to move over. So he could have waited for a few more seconds, instead of forcing me over
Did you slow down when you saw him approach the junction ?? Did you check your escape route ??
Yes and yes. I was the only car on the dual carriageway. Double checked lane 2 as I saw him approaching the junction even.
in thulfi's defence, (on the speed thing) I bet 75 on the speedo is around 70mph real speed.
Agreed ... but are the limits even 70mph ??
Bearing in mind also they are limits ...... not recommended speeds .....
yeeh the limits are 70mph. They're pretty much all national speed round here. They're big open roads..thats why what he did was so ridiculous!
Dave20046
01-12-09, 02:37 PM
I know, although I'm not thulfi's lawyer so I'm not going to find out the actual limit on there and get a statement off him and a few witnesses regarding conditions and other factors :razz:
Was just saying in passing it was possible he was within the speed limit ,anyway careful or he'll nut you :mrgreen:
Agreed ... but are the limits even 70mph ??
Bearing in mind also they are targets/minimums ;) ...... not recommended speeds .....
Fixed for yoooou :)
Sally ;)
But I believe the give ways on him, and I'm under no obligation to move over. So he could have waited for a few more seconds, instead of forcing me over
Not sure about the latest one but the Highway Code used to state that "you should not pull out from a turning or junction if it would cause another road user to change speed or direction", i frikin hate it when people do that!!!!!
Red Herring
01-12-09, 03:07 PM
If I've read your post correctly you are saying you had to swerve out into lane two to miss him, which implies that he was going slower than you (given he had just pulled out of a junction not surprising) so it follows that provided you didn't also brake your speed then carried you past him in lane two, which means you could have then moved back into lane one and turned left at the roundabout whilst he sorted himself out behind you. All the other driver was asking you to do was move your hands slightly and ease over into lane two so they could pull out, they weren't asking you to slow down or otherwise holding you up. Was that really to much to ask? It's not as if there wasn't time for you to get back into lane one afterwards, you clearly managed it even after taking time out to vent your feelings towards the other driver. I'd suggest you reconsider your position mate, but hey, what do I know.
exactly. dangerous and inconsiderate driving.
If I was an inexperienced driver, and my cage was shielding the view of an inexperienced biker in lane2, this idiot pulling out onto the carriage way could have caused a serious incident...
Red Herring
01-12-09, 03:11 PM
exactly. dangerous and inconsiderate driving.
.
I know, but we're letting you off with a warning, OK?
Unbelievable amount of incompetent drivers on the road at the moment.
Yesterday I had:
To stop suddenly when approaching a roundabout cos some old coffin dodger entered the roundabout on the left hand side (my side) of the road.He was even the wrong side of a traffic island.
Stop suddenly because some daft bint stopped in the road to turn right in front of me, only she was driving down the road approaching the junction in the right hand lane (again, my side of the road and there was no traffic that she was going around).
Stop suddenly because another old coffin dodger pulled straight out in front of me whilst I was going around a smallish roundabout, then when on the dual carraigeway immediately after the roundabout as I was about to overtake him he pulled out in front of me again even though he wasn't overtaking anything.
And finally, another dosy bint that pulled out of a junction right in front of me.
And that was all in the same day, AAARRRGGHHHH.
Dave20046
01-12-09, 03:13 PM
I biker pulled out on me t'other night. Luckily I saw it coming, he was on a harley*
* I didn't at all, a bus obscured him from view god knows how he had checked the lane was clear. Luckily I was goin slow.
All the other driver was asking you to do was move your hands slightly and ease over into lane two so they could pull out, they weren't asking you to slow down or otherwise holding you up. Was that really to much to ask?
perhaps not, but as I was turning left I didn't think it would kill him to wait a few more seconds.
So you could say I was not as 'courteous' as I should have been perhaps, and was thinking about my left turning up head. Not sure about you though, but I''d wait until the persons moved over/shown intent to move over into lane 2 before I pull out. What if I was a noob who was fiddling around on the radio and didn't see him. He wouldn't have been able to get away in time, or accelerate fast enough. Why would he chance it?!
All the other driver was asking you to do was move your hands slightly and ease over into lane two so they could pull out, they weren't asking you to slow down or otherwise holding you up. Was that really to much to ask?
Except that there was no communication between the drivers, and the right of way is very clear.
The other driver assumed that he would move over for him, which is incorrect as he has no obligation to do so, and in this case chose not to for reasons which are stated.
I know, but we're letting you off with a warning, OK?
lol:D...didn't realise maintaining my lane was dangerous. And I spotted him early, so it wasn't exactly a near miss. Besides, who had right of way copper?
How did the guy who pulled out know for SURE I wasn't obstructing the view of a motorbike in lane2?!
Red Herring
01-12-09, 03:20 PM
The roads are busy places, we all need to give and take a bit. How often to you edge forward at a busy junction and invite (sometimes quite persuasively) someone to let you out? I'm not saying what the other driver did was polite or right, I'm just saying your reaction was OTT. Like you say he saw you from a long way off, which means you saw him. Had you moved out early it would have avoided the whole issue, and negated any danger to potential inexperienced following motorcyclists...
Red Herring
01-12-09, 03:22 PM
Besides, who had right of way copper?
Those that are dead right are just as dead as those that were dead wrong...
Those that are dead right are just as dead as those that were dead wrong...
So from the horses mouth as it were, who gives a stuff about the road law? Ignore the highway code, drive however you like, and it doesn't matter if you kill anyone and they were in the right. Or if you crash into someone else and break their expensive vehicle and give them nightmares etc, cos we can all sit down with a nice cup of tea and discuss it like friends.
Sorry there's too much of this cobblers already around. There are rules. Follow them. And if even the coppers don't enforce it... well sod it, i'm out of this country at the first available opportunity.
Had you moved out early it would have avoided the whole issue, and negated any danger to potential inexperienced following motorcyclists...
Well I knew there was no motorcyclist behind me on the carriageway. I double checked what was behind me when I saw him approaching the junction.
My point however is that he couldn't have known for sure I wasn't obstructing the view of a motorcylist. If I was in his position, I'd wait til I'd passed, and not force me over.
Furthemore, he didn't edge out. He stopped, saw me, then planted himself into the carriageway.
I guess a slight lack of courtesy on my part (as I was about to turn left at the roundabout ahead) definetely didn't justify what is very dangerous...that is pulling out into the lane of a fast approaching car on a dual carriagway!
Red Herring
01-12-09, 03:38 PM
So from the horses mouth as it were, who gives a stuff about the road law? Ignore the highway code, drive however you like, and it doesn't matter if you kill anyone and they were in the right. Or if you crash into someone else and break their expensive vehicle and give them nightmares etc, cos we can all sit down with a nice cup of tea and discuss it like friends.
Sorry there's too much of this cobblers already around. There are rules. Follow them. And if even the coppers don't enforce it... well sod it, i'm out of this country at the first available opportunity.
Wow, are you always this narrow minded or have i just caught you on a bad day. I don't normally bite like this but you really are missing the point here. Nobody is saying do as you like, nobody is saying it's OK to kill people, or to crash into each other. All I am saying is that with a little flexibility things would all go so much smoother and if you work on the pretext that if you always drive within the law you'll be perfectly safe you are mistaken.
Now that's my rant over, ding ding.....
STRAMASHER
01-12-09, 03:40 PM
I agree with Smokey Herring.
Would you have done the same if you were on your bike? Not exactly defensive driving was it? Inconsiderate and asking for trouble.
I am regularly faced with this albet in a 30mph. So sorry if it seems harsh but I get this situ nearly everyday near my house. Both in your position and the fella that made you go postal.
Play nice.;)
I have to agree with the plumber.. ;)
Some considerate driving goes a long way?
How many times have you been waiting, and thought, why didn't that bloody car just pull over and let me out..
Works both ways..
I have to agree with the plumber.. ;)
Some considerate driving goes a long way?
How many times have you been waiting, and thought, why didn't that bloody car just pull over and let me out..
Works both ways..
Aye, but this doesn't make sense if you are just about to turn left just after the junction.
I agree with the sentiment that a bit of give and take etc etc. . but a bit of common sense wouldn't go a miss. And Red Herring, I would expect better from a copper, sure it would be polite to let people out all the time but just because people do from time to time doesn't make it right for people to presume they are going to be let out of a junction on a busy road and just 'go for it'.
Pointless rant ...
All you can ever ask (unless you plan to change the World) is ....
What could I have done different ???
Out of courtesy, I'd usually move into the right lane to give the person room to pull out. But I was going to turn left at the roundabout just ahead, and as I was going fast-ish, thought I'd just stay in my lane
So I made a decision to stay in the left lane, thats my right. He forced me over. I would not do the same. I don't expect people to move over for me when pulling out...if they do, fair do's to them. If not, I stay put!!
Pointless rant ...
All you can ever ask (unless you plan to change the World) is ....
What could I have done different ???
Agree.
Although me moving over earlier, or not would have made no difference in this case. I didn't have to hit emergency brakes or anything, and it wasn't a last minute swerve.
Its the other drivers arrogance of planting himself onto my lane, and basically saying 'yeh now move over'!
Agree.
Although me moving over earlier, or not would have made no difference in this case. I didn't have to hit emergency brakes or anything, and it wasn't a last minute swerve.
Its the other drivers arrogance of planting himself onto my lane, and basically saying 'yeh now move over'!
was he/she driving a BMW by chance?
Did you still make your left turn? If so then you shouldn't really have an issue....
If you were trying to pull out of a junction and you saw someone who had space to move over but didn't, you'd be posting on here about how inconsiderate some drivers are.
Chill chap.
If you were trying to pull out of a junction and you saw someone who had space to move over but didn't, you'd be posting on here about how inconsiderate some drivers are.
Actually happens all the time over here. Its a minor. Maybe they dont see you at the junction, perhaps they just don't wanna move over. I never expect oncoming cars to move over. In fact most don't from my experience. Its their right of way, so I wouldn't throw a hissy fit. And the roads in MK are so fast, moving over or not makes a few seconds difference to the person waiting at the junction anyway! I defo wouldn't plant myself into their lane and force them over though!
was he/she driving a BMW by chance?
ha, naa it was some battered up 90's vauxhall-something. At least you'd think the BMW driver might think he's got the acceleration to go for it!
Its the other drivers arrogance of planting himself onto my lane, and basically saying 'yeh now move over'!
Found this elsewhere ... from said driver ...... ;-)
Its the other drivers arrogance of planting himself onto a lane, and basically saying 'yeh now I'm not moving over'!
This thread was always going to end this way ..... :-)
Red Herring
01-12-09, 04:13 PM
And Red Herring, I would expect better from a copper, sure it would be polite to let people out all the time but just because people do from time to time doesn't make it right for people to presume they are going to be let out of a junction on a busy road and just 'go for it'.
See that's the problem with people knowing you're a copper, they don't bother to read what you actually write, they just try and use whatever the discussion is about to get their little dig in at officialdom.
Read what I've already written, then try again. Why is it that people always want the police to enforce the letter of the law, to see everything in black and white, and to treat everybody the same, yet as soon as you stop them for something they want you to consider the circumstances? Beats me!
Wow, are you always this narrow minded or have i just caught you on a bad day. I don't normally bite like this but you really are missing the point here. Nobody is saying do as you like, nobody is saying it's OK to kill people, or to crash into each other. All I am saying is that with a little flexibility things would all go so much smoother and if you work on the pretext that if you always drive within the law you'll be perfectly safe you are mistaken.
Now that's my rant over, ding ding.....
No, I just thought you were being overly lenient today, and drawing a contrast. We all have to be a little flexible, and avoid accidents wherever possible. However this introduces a big grey area, where people become inflexible in their expectation of others to be flexible. And if it all goes to court it ends up being based on what is "reasonable", and suddenly you have a clear cut breach of guidelines becoming a legal quagmire. Flexibility suddenly becomes a mixed blessing and standards of driving fall. Long run? more accidents, more people hurt, more people killed.
The overall point being, if everyone drove within the law, the roads would be safer.
Its the other drivers arrogance of planting himself onto a lane, and basically saying 'yeh now I'm not moving over'!
lol, urrm not quite!
see above, or to quote...
Actually happens all the time over here. Its a minor. Maybe they dont see you at the junction, perhaps they just don't wanna move over. I never expect oncoming cars to move over. In fact most don't from my experience. Its their right of way, so I wouldn't throw a hissy fit.
to maintain your right of way nooot quite the same as forcing someone over, wouldn't you say?
See that's the problem with people knowing you're a copper, they don't bother to read what you actually write, they just try and use whatever the discussion is about to get their little dig in at officialdom.
Read what I've already written, then try again. Why is it that people always want the police to enforce the letter of the law, to see everything in black and white, and to treat everybody the same, yet as soon as you stop them for something they want you to consider the circumstances? Beats me!
I have read, and am not having a dig at officialdom, I have a friend that was traffic police (now dog handler) and have even considered a career in the police force, but, I disagree with your view. In fact, 6 months ago you may have been advising the op to report him to the police because he may have been a burglar or some other form of criminal!
i always wondered wether police get kinky with handcuffs at home?
tho seriously, they're not so bad. Got pulled over for doing 55 in a 40 zone at like 1am. They let me off..so fair do's to some.
Plus they gotta deal with some real scum, being armed with only batons and spray!
Red Herring
01-12-09, 04:49 PM
You wrote - And Red Herring, I would expect better from a copper, sure it would be polite to let people out all the time but just because people do from time to time doesn't make it right for people to presume they are going to be let out of a junction on a busy road and just 'go for it'.
I wrote at post 25 which was some time earlier...
"I'm not saying what the other driver did was polite or right, I'm just saying your reaction was OTT"
That was my point.
DanAbnormal
01-12-09, 04:51 PM
I now try not to expect high standards of driving from anyone else on the road. That way I am never dissapointed when something silly happens.
Plus I have been known to make mistakes in judgement in the past. It happens, I no longer see the point in getting angry about it so just carry on about my business.
The roads are busy places, we all need to give and take a bit.
We all want a bit of consideration when we are pulling out but if its on the other foot.....
Why is it that people always want the police to enforce the letter of the law, to see everything in black and white, and to treat everybody the same, yet as soon as you stop them for something they want you to consider the circumstances? Beats me!
Love it, nailed
I now try not to expect high standards of driving from anyone else on the road.
same here, especially since i started riding. But theirs high standards...then there's pulling out infront of a 70+mph car..thats low by anyones standards!
I dont see my reaction as OTT to be honest. Just cos I didn't move over, it still amazed me that the person went through with pulling out. How does he know I even saw him?! sorry..still horrendous driving in IMO, regardless of the 'courteousness' of my own actions!
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 05:08 PM
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The overall point being, if everyone drove within the law, the roads would be safer.
LOL! the only way that would happen is for every road user to take extensive further training....wishful thinking ;)
You wrote -
I wrote at post 25 which was some time earlier...
"I'm not saying what the other driver did was polite or right, I'm just saying your reaction was OTT"
That was my point.Ok fair enough, but op only sounded the horn, not like he stopped, jumped out and kicked his head in or anything. Besides, a horn is there to let people know that you are the position that they may be placing their vehicle.
LOL! the only way that would happen is for every road user to take extensive further training....wishful thinking ;)
It was a hypothetical point. I don't expect it to happen.
I both agree and disagree with RH here. I agree that Thulfi, if things are as he reported, was in the right and was forced to avoid an idiot driver.
Whilst I don't think he's wrong for posting it, I personally wouldn't have. I see too much of it, avoid too much of it, it's all water off a duck's back until I actually go down. Then I might post. In fact, I'd go to the extent of saying that until someone makes contact with me, 5 mins later I don't even remember their bad driving - it's just all too common.
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 05:25 PM
It was a hypothetical point. I don't expect it to happen.
I both agree and disagree with RH here. I agree that Thulfi, if things are as he reported, was in the right and was forced to avoid an idiot driver.
Whilst I don't think he's wrong for posting it, I personally wouldn't have. I see too much of it, avoid too much of it, it's all water off a duck's back until I actually go down. Then I might post. In fact, I'd go to the extent of saying that until someone makes contact with me, 5 mins later I don't even remember their bad driving - it's just all too common.
I realised that ;)
I agree with everything you have said above actually...
Specialone
01-12-09, 06:23 PM
Pedestrians are just as oblivious, i was in my van this morning driving along a fairly busy road at 30 mph, two girls aged around 13 crossed the road for the bus stop on the other side without even glancing my way, only looking when the heard my van coming to a abrupt stop, i have been driving 20 years + and it shook me up tbh, 1 second earlier (or later) i would have hit them, good job it was getting light and i was paying attention and slightly anticipated it.
I get angry at car drivers poor standards all the time but as others have said it happens that frequently its forgot mostly after 5 mins, still pees me off though, i have got an anger management problem when im behind the wheel ( not when riding though) and crap driving dont help it.
Phil
Pedestrians are just as oblivious
defo! When I ride my bike in London, and commute from Denmark Hill to London Bridge during dark hours (round 5pmish) its a frantic game of dodging the pedestrians!..They come from all over the place, think they can make it, when they couldn't have if it wasn't for your evasive actions.
I find it worse when on a bike!
Althoug the other day, I was caging around, and a lady crossed the road (no zebra cross or anything), she was not looking right, only forward, and walking at a snails pace...as if she was walking in the park or something. It was a busy road as well. Some people get you wondering. No wonder lots of pedestrians get killed each year.
Oblivious pedestrians + idiotic cagers = dangerous combo!
Specialone
01-12-09, 06:37 PM
Oblivious pedestrians + idiotic cagers = dangerous combo!
It is just a minefield, its just ride and hope thingy, inevitable that one day your gonna colide with at least one of them :(.
Those who are on my facebook friends list may have seen my comment earlier today, it's in regard to this matter:
I had some stupid b1tch in a Range Rover try to force me out of my lane on the M25 this morning in tightly packed rush hour traffic. I gave her a long hard blast on the horn so she stopped and got out to see who it was, then tried to have a verbal pop. I countered very loudly and forcibly with "If you want to get in my lane indicate and I'll most likely give you room, but forcing your way doesn't work - now f**k off, leave me alone and get back in your oversized piece of ****". She claimed she hadn't seen me because her car is too big!, so I told her the same thing one of my daughters shouted at a crap driver "Next time buy a car that suits your ability and not your oversized ego". She got a bit shouty, so I drove round the obese cow and went, leaving her standing in the middle of the M25 with cars going both sides of her
Yes. some people really are beyond the pale
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 07:57 PM
Hmmm, like someone, I think TLW, said earlier, "it's not like any of US make mistakes!"
Thulfi - yep, probably annoying, but come on, I'm sure you have done things equally as bad whilst driving.
Hmmm, like someone, I think TLW, said earlier, "it's not like any of US make mistakes!"
Thulfi - yep, probably annoying, but come on, I'm sure you have done things equally as bad whilst driving.
Everyones made mistakes. I don't think what this driver did was a mistake. He knew what he was doing and he'd prob go for it again. Like I said..I could see him seeing me, yet he forced his way out onto me to save himself a few seconds.
I hope by mistakes people don't mean intentional disregard for other peoples right of way!
DarrenSV650S
01-12-09, 08:14 PM
When you're riding a bike, you can see why some people might not see you/take into consideration a bike might be there or whatever...I guess that goes with the territory.
But when you're driving a car, and another car driver does something ridiculous, it really gets you wondering.
So I was just driving around in Milton Keynes (this happened like 10minutes ago)! For those who don't know, MK is a lot of dual carriageways, seperated by roundabouts. A lot of these dual carriageways have exits into, and entries from residential/industrial estates between the roundabouts, in the form of junctions.
So I was in lane1, doing about 75mph I'd say, and I could see a car approaching one of the junctions to my left. Out of courtesy, I'd usually move into the right lane to give the person room to pull out. But I was going to turn left at the roundabout just ahead, and as I was going fast-ish, thought I'd just stay in my lane...the driver see's me from some way ahead, yet still decideds to pull out!!! (assuming I was going to move for him I suppose!)
Anyway, so I sweve out into lane 2, as he's already planted himself in lane1, and I horn the hell out of him!
Sorry rant over, but ridiculous driving. How do some people get a license I wonder!
Did you have time to get back in your lane after he barged his way on? If you did, then you were in the wrong in my opinion. If someone is waiting to get on the dually and the fast lane is free, move the feck over and let them!
Pi55es me off when I'm trying to get on the dually and the muppets all just sit in the slow lane and make me wait when they could easily go in to the fast lane
Did you have time to get back in your lane after he barged his way on? If you did, then you were in the wrong in my opinion. If someone is waiting to get on the dually and the fast lane is free, move the feck over and let them!
Pi55es me off when I'm trying to get on the dually and the muppets all just sit in the slow lane and make me wait when they could easily go in to the fast lane
yeesh, here we go!..
As said, I was gonna turn left at the roundabout ahead. It's not as if he was coming in from a slip road...he was stationary at a junction. I was doing 75ish. Would have passed him in a matter of 5 seconds! Didn't wanna move over. Dont have to move over. He's gotta wait, wether he likes it or not. Maybe I was lazy/inconsiderate whatever...people don't move over for me a lot of the time, and I stay put..it makes little difference cos people are going so fast around here. He should not pull out and enforce his way. He was in the wrong. For all he knows I wasn't looking at him, or there was a biker to my right that I was obstructing him from.
When these 'muppets' make you wait a few seconds more, do you enforce your right of way?!
Out of courtesy, I'd usually move into the right lane to give the person room to pull out. But I was going to turn left at the roundabout just ahead, and as I was going fast-ish, thought I'd just stay in my lane
The one time I don't do this, and i encounter an idiot! And now all hell breaks loose, cos I should be more considerate - 99.9% of the time I do move over, but if i don;t, I don't expect to be forced over!
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 08:27 PM
Unusually, I tend to agree with Darren on this one, but I don't think it's as big a deal as is being made out!
Thses things happen. Yes, it can be incredibly annoying but try not to let it work you up!
I thought I had road rage! I don't get that fecked off when people don't move into the right lane for me...I just sit and wait!...
Tho a lot of people here seem to be of the thought, 'well ya shudda friggin moved over, so we can see why the guy did what he did'!...scaresomes!
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 08:50 PM
Think it is probably 75% to blame him but 25% you. It's just courteousy to move ov er, btu yeh, he shouldn't have just force his way out. At the same time, if the other lane was clear then I don't understand why you didnt move in the first place?
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 08:55 PM
Did you have time to get back in your lane after he barged his way on? If you did, then you were in the wrong in my opinion. If someone is waiting to get on the dually and the fast lane is free, move the feck over and let them!
Pi55es me off when I'm trying to get on the dually and the muppets all just sit in the slow lane and make me wait when they could easily go in to the fast lane
No way!! thulfi did nothing wrong!
The guy was coming from a side turning NOT a slip road (where you would CONSIDER moving over to let them slot in, but you don't have to - its optional curteousy)
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 08:56 PM
Think it is probably 75% to blame him but 25% you. It's just courteousy to move ov er, btu yeh, he shouldn't have just force his way out. At the same time, if the other lane was clear then I don't understand why you didnt move in the first place?
because a. he didn't have to and b. he wanted to be in the left hand approach at the roundabout.
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 08:59 PM
Yeh, I didn't say he had to! Perfectly aware of who had right of way but what i am saying is, he would have had plenty of chance to have moved into 2nd lane to allow person out and STILL get back into 1st lane to turn left.
Like I said, the other guy, imo, gets the proportion of the blame.
As said, I guess I could have, but didn't want to, and thought making whoever it was wait an extra few seconds so I stayed in lane for the roundabout ahead wasn't a huge deal.
If I'd hit him however, you'll find the percentages would be 100% his fault. As someone mentioned, he violated the highway code, and I did not.
At worst you could call me lazy/not courteous in this particular instance. He could not have been sure I saw him, or that I wasn't obstructing the view of another vehicle..right?
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 09:11 PM
big up artylady!! :Dlol
:oops: :cool:
Trouble is road users seem to be re-writing the highway code these days.
Example - people have got in the habit of flashing to let people out of side turnings. I was on my bike turning right into our turning (major into a minor) and I never ever flash anyone out (call me selfish if you like I don't care!) because flashing your lights is intended to be a warning not a "you can proceed" as everyone uses it, and I'm always cautious at this particular turning in case people just pull out by habit.
On this particular day some thug in a cage stuck his head out of his car window and hurled abuse at me as I turned into my road because I had the cheek not to stop my maneouvre and flash him to come out :smt102 :mad:
rant over!
yeeh they even drilled that into us when I was doing DAS. Never to flash anyone for that reason, and likewise, if someone flashes you, not to take that as a 'go ahead' gesture.
Careful what you rant about though...perhaps that was 25% your fault, and you deserved some abuse!
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 09:15 PM
But that is now part of what they teach you when you are learning to drive. If someone flashes you on your test, to allow you into a junction or whatever, and it is safe to continue and you don't, you get marked down for hesitancy, and I can vouch for this as it happened to me on car test 4 yrs ago.
Milky Bar Kid
01-12-09, 09:16 PM
yeeh they even drilled that into us when I was doing DAS. Never to flash anyone for that reason, and likewise, if someone flashes you, not to take that as a 'go ahead' gesture.
Careful what you rant about though...perhaps that was 25% your fault, and you deserved some abuse!
At what point did I give you abuse?
At what point did I give you abuse?
eh? no the guy in her story hurled abuse at her...just like the guy in mine forced me over, lol!
I been down the plumber's merchants. Empty bit of road - not unreasonable to expect someone to pull into lane 2. Besides as it was a slip road, maybe the other driver misjudged your speed, Thulfi - it can be hard to judge the speed of oncoming, especially if there's nothing else to relate it to. Did you consider 'this bloke doesn't realise how fast I'm going'...
It's a bit like the rules for boats, rule 1 is 'It is every skipper's duty to avoid collisions at sea' so a bit of flexibility is required IMHO.
na Ed it wasn't a slip road. It was a junction. He came up to it. Stopped. Saw me. Moved out
Beg pudding. I meant junction.
ah well i anticipated, swerved and he just got the horn...didn't even swear or anything. He's lucky I wasn't some pyscho in a van who chased after him!
horn is for warning not for reproving...
I bet you did swear and I bet too that it was choice. C'mon what tasty bit of abuse did you scream?:D
i lie..i was horning him as he pulled out..but gave him another dose as i passed him!!
I ended up passing him too quickly for swearing to be of much use really! His banged up car must've been doing a maximum of 10 as I passed.
Horn in this case was warning & reproving! Reproving shames them more and is more fun (in a car at least). I never risk getting naughty with a horn on a bike tho!
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 10:35 PM
yeeh they even drilled that into us when I was doing DAS. Never to flash anyone for that reason, and likewise, if someone flashes you, not to take that as a 'go ahead' gesture.
Careful what you rant about though...perhaps that was 25% your fault, and you deserved some abuse!
LOL! no way - and i gave as good as I got I can tell you!!! ;)
ArtyLady
01-12-09, 10:41 PM
But that is now part of what they teach you when you are learning to drive. If someone flashes you on your test, to allow you into a junction or whatever, and it is safe to continue and you don't, you get marked down for hesitancy, and I can vouch for this as it happened to me on car test 4 yrs ago.
I'm surprised about that on a test, but I can sort of understand it because as I said many drivers now do seem to accept this as and unwritten part of the highway code (maybe they ought to look at changing it?) so if I suppose its a split decision you make are they letting you go? is it obvious? can you take that chance - I usually do go if they are making it very obvious. But.....I never, ever flash anybody to go myself and I very much doubt you were taught to do that on your driving lessons! :)
maybe its different for the driving test..don't really remember being taught that for my driving exam.
But defo for my DAS not long ago, we were specifically told we'd be marked down if someone flashed us to give us way and we went for it.
And it friggin happened on my test as well. Major to minor, right hand turn...courteous dude in a car in the other lane thought he was doing me a favour by flashing me and letting me turn in front of him. With what I was taught, I had to stay put. He just kept flashing me, then even stopped!! Then I just had to go IMO, sod the minor!
Milky Bar Kid
02-12-09, 03:18 AM
I'm surprised about that on a test, but I can sort of understand it because as I said many drivers now do seem to accept this as and unwritten part of the highway code (maybe they ought to look at changing it?) so if I suppose its a split decision you make are they letting you go? is it obvious? can you take that chance - I usually do go if they are making it very obvious. But.....I never, ever flash anybody to go myself and I very much doubt you were taught to do that on your driving lessons! :)
Told not to flash other drivers but were taught that if we were flashed and it was definately not a warning but an invitation to proceed, and it was obvious there were no dangers, then to go for it.
Like I say, I got a minor on my test for not going, marked as hesitancy. Maybe I just had a grumpy tester.
metalangel
02-12-09, 07:44 AM
A flash is meant to be like a horn, right? Not any message apart from 'I am here'. And look, you are there. And you've stopped, and there's a gap for me to get through now.
I can't believe anyone is calling the OP inconsiderate. The other guy is at a GIVE WAY line. He has to GIVE WAY. He didn't. What would you all be saying if our hero had slammed into him at 70mph?
The other guy is at a GIVE WAY line. He has to GIVE WAY. He didn't. What would you all be saying if our hero had slammed into him at 70mph?
Like I said, it's the responsibility of every skipper to avoid a collision. Whether at sea, or on land. I'd be saying 'whyever didn't you use lane 2?'
metalangel
02-12-09, 08:44 AM
And he did avoid the collision, what's your point? The other driver is still entirely responsible for everything that happened here, unless you're going to say it's the OP's fault for being on the road at the same time!
And he did avoid the collision, what's your point? The other driver is still entirely responsible for everything that happened here, unless you're going to say it's the OP's fault for being on the road at the same time!
You asked what I'd be saying IF there had been an accident. So I posted what I would have said. I know he avoided a prang, but that wasn't the question.
metalangel
02-12-09, 09:10 AM
Suppose there's nothing he could have done due to oncoming traffic?
I suppose it's a pointless argument as we're now changing the circumstances. I just can't comprehend how he can be accused of being discourteous. Yes, it sucks having to wait at a give way line sometimes but that's how it works.
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