View Full Version : Future classics - what do you reckon ?
Ive been seriously thinking of getting a classic bike, something useable like a 77 Z650 Kwak or a 78 400/4 Honda, but what makes a bike a classic ? and what bikes do you think will be future classics ? and will the SV be regarded that way one day ?
fastdruid
09-12-09, 10:55 AM
Classics typically are things that either evoke emotion, eg first bikes like the fs1e, bikes you wanted but couldn't afford, bikes that were the 'best' or most pretty or just what you desired as a teen. The thing that then makes them worth money is rarity. Bikes especially get crashed and damaged very easily so anything a bit wayward quickly ends up with only a few remaining.
I can see the SV being somewhat of a classic in the same way a mk1 Escort is, so common no one bothered to keep a standard low milage example and then suddenly the world realised that 99% of them had been scrapped and there were hardly any mint examples left.
We've got a mint RVF400R which IMO is a classic now, last of the 400/4's, beautiful, fantastic handling and not that many as it was never officially imported.
Druid
petevtwin650
09-12-09, 11:02 AM
I reckon Sv's will be a future classic. That's why I've got an immaculate frame tucked away in the loft for some future restorer to buy. ;)
If I remember correctly the 650 was a bit heavy, as was the thing in those days. A 400/4 is both light(ish) and not too tall. Get a old style Yoshi pipe on it and listen to it howl, although they more than likely only revved to 10k. Cheap insurance too.
rictus01
09-12-09, 11:05 AM
Are you sure Stew?, it's easy to forget how much work is involved, a modern bike requires very little looking after, it's easy to forget just how much work per mile the older one takes.
A better bet is to get one of the modern classic looking bikes Kawk W650, triumph Bonnie, Thunderbird, ducati classic range, that sort of thing.
I doubt the SV wil every be be a true Classic, although preserved long enough I dare say someone would call it one (after all insurance wise it'll get that status at some point), but it's never been expensive, exotic or a "wish" bike really, Oh it's very good at what it does, but rarely is it anything more than a stepping stone to something else.
Cheers Mark.
petevtwin650 is riding my classic bike, but I want it in British Racing Green.
I find it odd - for one of the most fun and affordable 650 v-twins around, it never makes it in to the top five choices in RiDE magazines choices.
Off the top of my head, I'd have to say Ducati Monster, Harley Sportster 883, BMW F650GS and Honda VFR 800 would be good future classics.
Nice topic for debate. :)
Are you sure Stew?, it's easy to forget how much work is involved, a modern bike requires very little looking after, it's easy to forget just how much work per mile the older one takes.
A better bet is to get one of the modern classic looking bikes Kawk W650, triumph Bonnie, Thunderbird, ducati classic range, that sort of thing.
I doubt the SV wil every be be a true Classic, although preserved long enough I dare say someone would call it one (after all insurance wise it'll get that status at some point), but it's never been expensive, exotic or a "wish" bike really, Oh it's very good at what it does, but rarely is it anything more than a stepping stone to something else.
Cheers Mark.
Yeah good point Mark, the other one Ive been having a think about is the Moto Guzzi V50 Monza, despite the Italian electrics, most guzzi,s are well sorted and it has that all important low seat height as well ;) Saying all this Id have another curvey tomorrow if I had the cash to hand.
I find it odd - for one of the most fun and affordable 650 v-twins around, it never makes it in to the top five choices in RiDE magazines choices.
Off the top of my head, I'd have to say Ducati Monster, Harley Sportster 883, BMW F650GS and Honda VFR 800 would be good future classics.
Nice topic for debate. :)
The 883 has actually been around for years and is regarded by a classic in the classic biking world, mind you some of those peeps use pudding basin helmets as well so you cant beleive everything they say ;) I think the VFR is defo a future classic.
petevtwin650
09-12-09, 11:58 AM
Yeah good point Mark, the other one Ive been having a think about is the Moto Guzzi V50 Monza, despite the Italian electrics, most guzzi,s are well sorted and it has that all important low seat height as well ;) Saying all this Id have another curvey tomorrow if I had the cash to hand.
Well IMO if you're not spending enough money to buy a cheap Curvy, then I think you'll be buying yourself a money pit classic Stewie.
Classics IMO are bikes that stand the test of time in design and looks and are great all round .
The original R1 is one such bike and IMO so is the 02-03 one the letterbox tail light R!, still i regard it as the best looking R1 ever.
:lol: the SV a classic :lol: nope never , it is what it is a buget small sporty bike. Its not a design classic nor a big advance in technology.
petevtwin650
09-12-09, 12:00 PM
petevtwin650 is riding my classic bike, but I want it in British Racing Green.
What about in Lapland Reindeer Brown, Richie? :)
Well IMO if you're not spending enough money to buy a cheap Curvy, then I think you'll be buying yourself a money pit classic Stewie.
Yeah I know what you mean Pete, this landscaping buisness of mine is doing ok despite it being winter and Im starting to build up a few quid to put aside for something in the new year, something's bound to go wrong though ;) still, got a bit of time to get meself back on two wheels, really want to back by the GM3
:lol: the SV a classic :lol: nope never , it is what it is a buget small sporty bike. Its not a design classic nor a big advance in technology.
I hear what you are saying but there are many factors that make something a true "classic" - budget small sporty bike or not ;)
Thinking about it - a lot of the mainstream bikes from about 1985 onwards still haven't made it to proper "classic" status - sure specialised stuff like two strokes and the little 400 screamers etc and some of the earlier GSXRs perhaps but you don't often see people raving on about "normal" bikes like the first VFR750 or an old GPZ as a classic (in so much as they would actually want to buy and ride one) - so I think there is a little way to go yet.
hardhat_harry
09-12-09, 01:56 PM
Cast Iron future classics: -
SP1 (or SP2)
GSXR SRAD
SoulKiss
09-12-09, 02:10 PM
the 09 R1 might stand the test of time, if only for the engine
ThEGr33k
09-12-09, 02:57 PM
My dad had a 400 four from the way he talked about it he definatly liked it a lot... Unfortunately he blew it up after getting it bored to a 440 four, big end let go and a piton popped out to say hello. Testament to the bike though it got him home as a triple!
I could ask him a little more about it if you want?
Oh and it may have been a good thing he blew it in a sense... He got a CBX1000 after :D Now those things do Howl! :smt118 Which he got rid of like a fool! That is truly a classic, id love to get one of those motors and do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJLgOrUWlVo (listen from 3:40... dang)
dizzyblonde
09-12-09, 06:31 PM
One of my SVs is a classic next year..according to Carol Nash it should qualify for its classic insurance being ten years old. So will the other the year after.
I reckon on being such a popular bike for the last ten years some will consider it a classic anyway, regardless of what sort it is.
Dicky Ticker
09-12-09, 06:40 PM
Classic or rare?----slight difference I know,but with a few exceptions it tends to be the rarer vehicles that become classics.
So,providing enough SV,s get written off?
Even old Lambretta scooters are fetching silly money now
Classics IMO are bikes that stand the test of time in design and looks and are great all round .
The original R1 is one such bike and IMO so is the 02-03 one the letterbox tail light R!, still i regard it as the best looking R1 ever.
:lol: the SV a classic :lol: nope never , it is what it is a buget small sporty bike. Its not a design classic nor a big advance in technology.
r1 classic what you been smoking ;) :smt043
Biker Biggles
09-12-09, 06:53 PM
The first motor bike I ever rode was a cafe racered Triumph 500 Speed Twin dating from the 50s.I was not really big enough for it,but by any modern yardstick it was an awful bike.Shake rattle and roll and about as reliable as a treasury forecast.But its an absolute classic now.So any modern Ducati fits the bill.
yorkie_chris
09-12-09, 06:57 PM
Off the top of my head, I'd have to say Ducati Monster, Harley Sportster 883, BMW F650GS and Honda VFR 800 would be good future classics.
Nice topic for debate. :)
Dear god why? The harley is same as any other harley you would be daft enough to buy, the BMW noone cares about now never mind in future and the VFRs get wrapped up in cotton wool so there'll always be millions of them about.
Classics IMO are bikes that stand the test of time in design and looks and are great all round .
The original R1 is one such bike and IMO so is the 02-03 one the letterbox tail light R!, still i regard it as the best looking R1 ever.
:lol: the SV a classic :lol: nope never , it is what it is a buget small sporty bike. Its not a design classic nor a big advance in technology.
I'd agree about the R1. New ones look naff.
But about the SV becoming a classic I'm not so sure... look at the RD350LC, that was nothing too new, it was budget (you think SV forks are soft...), looked nice but was not worshipped for its looks. They were bought cheap to hack around on, by people on their way to bigger things. And look at that now, well sought after.
I reckon in 10-15 years people will be paying silly money for mint, uncut curvy exhaust systems. Original RD350LC pipes worth a fortune now!
I reckon the curvy frame is a design classic. There's nowt like it without paying daft money for a spondon or izax or similar.
Alpinestarhero
09-12-09, 07:06 PM
Cast Iron future classics: -
SP1 (or SP2)
GSXR SRAD
I completly agree with the SP1 / SP2. I go giddy and weak at the knees when I see and hear one.
Not sure about the SRAD GSXR. I think the ZX7-R would be more of a classic, because its basic design did not change at all for so many years, where as the GSXR had several major alterations (FI, restyling etc etc) in the time kawsaki were selling the ZX7
Bike design and updates are so frequent nowadays that its hard for something to be established long enough to become a future classic. PB loes the 2005 GSXR1000 for example, and they talk about it like it was a boyhood dream bike from 20 years ago! So its hard.
yorkie_chris
09-12-09, 07:10 PM
SRAD was first incarnation of modern GSXR, beam frame, water cooled aggressively downdraft engine. New ones aren't that much different.
i think a*hero hit the nail on the head with the 7r tbh if not just for the already classic look of it.
dizzyblonde
09-12-09, 07:23 PM
But about the SV becoming a classic I'm not so sure... look at the RD350LC, that was nothing too new, it was budget (you think SV forks are soft...), looked nice but was not worshipped for its looks. They were bought cheap to hack around on, by people on their way to bigger things. And look at that now, well sought after.
I reckon in 10-15 years people will be paying silly money for mint, uncut curvy exhaust systems. Original RD350LC pipes worth a fortune now!
Exactly. Every old man bikers dream is an uncut RD..so why not an SV.
What old man RD really wants apart from paying for original pipes is one that has matching engine and frame numbers. So many of them crashed, bashed, and blown up that an all original RD is a rarity.
A bit like a curvy SV wouldn't you say:-k..they get crashed, bashed and blown just the same. I've still got a cracked fairing as black ones in good condition are as rare as hens teeth.
barwel1992
09-12-09, 07:27 PM
i dont think the sv will be a classic
and the yamaha R7 is/should be a classic :)
-Ralph-
09-12-09, 07:29 PM
Buell have just been ditched by Harley, so they'll become classic on rarity value and individuality, in a similar way to a Laverda is today. They'll be the only thing on the concourse with a Harley engine, a belt drive, and those rim mounted brake discs. Unless Eric Buell finds new finance and goes it alone, can't imagine him being content to let his bikes die away.
ThEGr33k
09-12-09, 07:42 PM
But about the SV becoming a classic I'm not so sure... look at the RD350LC, that was nothing too new, it was budget (you think SV forks are soft...), looked nice but was not worshipped for its looks. They were bought cheap to hack around on, by people on their way to bigger things. And look at that now, well sought after.
I reckon in 10-15 years people will be paying silly money for mint, uncut curvy exhaust systems. Original RD350LC pipes worth a fortune now!
I reckon the curvy frame is a design classic. There's nowt like it without paying daft money for a spondon or izax or similar.
Aye but isnt it the case that it was the most powerful bike someone could get on L plates? It was also the bike that changed the law because there were so many accidents involving them... That kinda history certainly helps to make a bike a classic. Innovation is another id say.
yorkie_chris
09-12-09, 07:52 PM
No, for a long time you could ride 250 on L plates. But the 350 was always big-boys territory AFAIK.
(though the 350 and 250 engines shared many parts, easy to be naughty but still look legal-ish)
One that caused the big legal shuffle was the suzuki X7, it would do nearly 100mph on L plates with minor mods.
ThEGr33k
09-12-09, 08:16 PM
No, for a long time you could ride 250 on L plates. But the 350 was always big-boys territory AFAIK.
(though the 350 and 250 engines shared many parts, easy to be naughty but still look legal-ish)
One that caused the big legal shuffle was the suzuki X7, it would do nearly 100mph on L plates with minor mods.
Ah yea sorry, my bad, I meant the 250... Stories from my old man. As you say, I know some people who ran 350 in 250 bike. :rolleyes: Bad lads :p
maviczap
09-12-09, 08:19 PM
Always wanted a Katana 1000, these are classics already?
yorkie_chris
09-12-09, 08:21 PM
I fancy a 7/11. Got the 7 bit in a barn at my mates place, just need to find a lump of 11 for the middle of it and associated bits.
Classics for me would be:
In original first year condition
Honda Fireblade - The first one in urban tiger
Kwak ZZR1100 - again the first
Suzuki hayabusa
Kwak ZX7R slab side
GSXR750 - the first one
Ducati 916
Bandit 1200
Suzuki TL1000S - Widow Maker (edited from R to S, thanks for the correction YC :-))
Yamaha V-Max
yorkie_chris
09-12-09, 08:25 PM
The TL1000S was the widow making one, heard it referred to as a hedge-seeking missile too :-P
Want one!
thefallenangel
09-12-09, 08:30 PM
All the 2 strokers i think will be classics. A Dutch guy had one in storage for 20 years (KR1S) and it is now worth a fortune. A Mint, no-mileage 2 stroke motorcycyle. Yum!.
Original R1, yes.
The 250 two-stroke sports bikes.
Ducati 916.
Some Bimotas, Moto Guzzis and MV Agustas.
Hayabusa.
It probably helps if despite being built in great numbers the bike in question is prone to being damaged beyond repair.
Alpinestarhero
10-12-09, 04:05 PM
i dont think the sv will be a classic
and the yamaha R7 is/should be a classic :)
The R7 is already a kind of classic, more of a myth and a legend though. In reality, who would shell out £25,000 for a <100 bhp 750, with a super peaky engine that has no bottom end? Also, there are substantial observations of big end faliure (iirc) on bikes with the race kit fitted (cant remember exactly why but you can have the crank modified I think to eliminate oil stavation). I'd save my money and get an RC45 or RC30 - there are so many people who have nodified them and retained reliability, and not only that, you get that unique V4 sound. And gear driven cams, huzzah!
Hayabusa definatly. TL1000S definatly. TL1000R not really. SRAD GSXR...yea ok, YC you sold me on that one :D 1st incarnation R1 yea. 1992 fireblades are already classics, many people seek them out.
Personally, I really like the first gen GSXR1000's. I don;t know why, they are the most basic incarnation of that bike, I like that
yorkie_chris
10-12-09, 04:07 PM
How the hell do you end up with a super peaky 750 with <100bhp*? SRAD750 is over 100bhp stock, and I've heard of oil cooled 750's tuned up to a mental degree.
*other than by making a complete balls up of the job...
ThEGr33k
10-12-09, 04:12 PM
How the hell do you end up with a super peaky 750 with <100bhp*? SRAD750 is over 100bhp stock, and I've heard of oil cooled 750's tuned up to a mental degree.
*other than by making a complete balls up of the job...
He isnt talking wet mate. On the road it was very poor! It only got anywhere near powerful after you got a race kit on it. :confused:
Alpinestarhero
10-12-09, 04:12 PM
How the hell do you end up with a super peaky 750 with <100bhp*? SRAD750 is over 100bhp stock, and I've heard of oil cooled 750's tuned up to a mental degree.
*other than by making a complete balls up of the job...
Yamaha did intend the bike as a race bike I suppose, then jsut sort of threw on some lights and indies and a numberplate holder, and detuned it a bit so it would suit all markets. It did seem silly if you wanted it for a road bike, but as a race bike it sort of made sense - the race kit was freely avaliable to R7 owners (I think you had to prove your racing intentions if you wanted one!) and unleashed nother 40 odd bhp, so 140 was easy out of the crate (almost). Although I suppose really it was cheaper for average joe to buy a SRAD 750 and spend the extra cash on tuning that...I supose the yamaha would have had better handling though courtesy of its track-orientated everything
(it better had for that sort of money!)
yorkie_chris
10-12-09, 04:15 PM
He isnt talking wet mate. On the road it was very poor! It only got anywhere near powerful after you got a race kit on it. :confused:
Just a complete balls up of the job then!
The oil cooled 750 engines were amazing in their day, still are quite interesting. There's one in a recent streetfighters built by a guy who makes custom frames near me (TPE), he's got an OC 750 engine that's reckoned to be 140bhp or so.
barwel1992
10-12-09, 04:28 PM
lol the r7 has 107bhp standard 139bhp with the injector kit (activation kit to activate the second bank of injectors) and 162bhp in race trim and there was only 500 made and weighed in at 162kg
plus it looks the dogs b**s
classic ...
ThEGr33k
10-12-09, 05:41 PM
NR750 for me is one, its just a classic, the engineering is very interesting imo :)
Alpinestarhero
10-12-09, 05:43 PM
The NR already is a classic, no doubt about that!
Bought a Honda 400-4 in 1978. Put Girling gas shocks on it, and a Cibie headlight. It stuck to the road like glue, and was brilliant thro' the twistie's. A bit ugly, and like many Jap bikes back then it was a rust magnet.
Always wanted a Kawasaki Z650, and bought a '77 model in '92. Huge disappointment, slow and heavy without the ability to stop. Had a blast on the original Z1. Amazing ability it had for the frame hinging left and right as you flipped thro' corner - guaranteed to finish a journey thanking God you'd survived. Fancied a Kawasaki 3-cylinder 750 two stroke but saw too many with blown engines.
Went across to Classic Bikes near Shrewsbury in the summer to look at a 6 cylinder Honda CBX 1000. Would still like one but would prefer the original twin shock, not the Pro-Link one.
fastdruid
10-12-09, 07:26 PM
The R7 is already a kind of classic, more of a myth and a legend though. In reality, who would shell out £25,000 for a <100 bhp 750, with a super peaky engine that has no bottom end?
When I got my SV jetted this was sat round in the workshop :-)
http://www.fastdruid.co.uk/albums/tmp/thumbs/640x48029072009093.jpg
Druid
One that caused the big legal shuffle was the suzuki X7, it would do nearly 100mph on L plates with minor mods.
The bike that sparked the 125cc learner limit was the 1980 RD250LC, which did a genune 106mph. The fact that MCN sensationalised the "106mph learner legal 250" in big black letters on the front page didn't help. Thosands of parents saw it and wouldn't let their little Johnny buy one and it soon came to the attention of the DoT, who rushed through ill thought out legislation to outlaw 250 learner bikes.
The X7 wasn't even up to late model aircooled RD standards in standard trim - both bikes were as tuneable as each other, but the RD would hold itself together for longer.
petevtwin650 is riding my classic bike, but I want it in British Racing Green.
You mean the Ducati 998 Matrix Reloaded Replica?
http://foto.scigacz.pl/cache/imgs/_w750/gallery/uzywane/Ducati_916_godzina_9_16_czyli_czas_na_legende/Ducati_998_Matrix_Edition.jpg
rictus01
10-12-09, 07:47 PM
Hmmmmm, interesting, I had a new X7 at the time an although close (and with enough bravery pills), it would beat off the RD250LC, granted there wasn't much in it, and to be honest the yam handled better.
Cheers Mark.
You mean the Ducati 998 Matrix Reloaded Replica?
http://foto.scigacz.pl/cache/imgs/_w750/gallery/uzywane/Ducati_916_godzina_9_16_czyli_czas_na_legende/Ducati_998_Matrix_Edition.jpg
I think he means the 996, Lozzo, which is what the bike in The Matrix was. The 998 has the horrible slabby fairings!
barwel1992
10-12-09, 08:50 PM
When I got my SV jetted this was sat round in the workshop :-)
http://www.fastdruid.co.uk/albums/tmp/thumbs/640x48029072009093.jpg
Druid
still looks good to day :D
i have wanted the r7 for about 8 years (or somthing like that)
Hmmmmm, interesting, I had a new X7 at the time an although close (and with enough bravery pills), it would beat off the RD250LC, granted there wasn't much in it, and to be honest the yam handled better.
Cheers Mark.
I owned immaculate examples of both back to back with an RD250F preceeding the X7. This was when 250s were absolutely worthless following the 125cc law; I was trading bikes for a living back then. I hated the X7 because it was so nastily built compared to the Yamahas and was no faster than my aircooled RDs had been. It didn't handle as well either, you could feel the frame flexing if you pushed it through corners at high speed.
The LC was a revelation when it came out, it really did fly and handled like it was on rails when put up against any 250 that came before it (with the possible exception of the Ducati singles)
I think he means the 996, Lozzo, which is what the bike in The Matrix was. The 998 has the horrible slabby fairings!
I prefer the look of the 998. Ducati made the Replicas based on the 998 because the 996 was out of production by the time the film was released.
That's one bike I would definitely have in my dream garage, 998s are gorgeous.
rictus01
10-12-09, 10:12 PM
I can only comment on what I know, from new a friend had a 250LC and I had an X7, on a straight run up the A10 I could beat him, mind you come the viaduct just before ware it would change lanes without warning, which was something else, the yam was indeed better handling and better built, neither bike was ever dyno'd (we didn't really do that much in those days), but in a toe to toe winde back the throttle, the X7 won.
Cheers Mark.
what was that turbo'd kwak that cut in just at the wrong point gpz/x 750 can't remember.
ThEGr33k
11-12-09, 01:24 AM
I can only comment on what I know, from new a friend had a 250LC and I had an X7, on a straight run up the A10 I could beat him, mind you come the viaduct just before ware it would change lanes without warning, which was something else, the yam was indeed better handling and better built, neither bike was ever dyno'd (we didn't really do that much in those days), but in a toe to toe winde back the throttle, the X7 won.
Cheers Mark.
Could weight have played a part?
rictus01
11-12-09, 01:55 AM
it's possible, but I can't remember Paul being any heavier than me, his LC was fairly new with about 900 miles on it, my X7 had a little over 300, so in effect both were pretty factory fresh with nothing done to either, now whether either of Lozzo's were played with I've no idea, but it the gang in those days it was a pretty big thing and although what 30 years ago I remember it well.
Cheers Mark.
ridelikeaturtle
11-12-09, 06:47 AM
Don't confuse "classic" with "oddity". Turbos are an oddity. The R7 was an oddity (though less so than any turbo). It wasn't particularly special or groundbreaking or even interesting. Well, not to too many people at least.
As was said, a "classic" evokes emotion. People recognize it as special, a "stand-out".
* RD350LC
* SP1, SP2
* TL1000S
* 1998 R1
* 2009 R1
* 1992 Fireblade CBR900RR
* CBR954RR
* Ducati 999
* Ducati 916
* KTM Superduke
* Hayabusa
* Triumph Rocket
* 2004 ZX10R
I'm leaving out a few I'm sure.
I think the 2009 Aprilia RSV4 Factory will be classic.
rictus01
11-12-09, 07:22 AM
As has been shown, "classic" is a matter of perspective as much as anything, dependent on when you were around.
to me if asked a classic would be
the first of the CB750
DUCATI 851
Kawa Z1
Suzi GS1000
Kawa GPZ9
Norton commando
that sort of thing, and someone older it'd probably be black shadow, dragonfly, Arial and what not.
Vintage and Veteran are clearly defined by the sunbeam club (VMCC) so it's easy to work out, Classic on the other hand isn't; so it can be whatever you want it to be.
Cheers Mark.
dizzyblonde
11-12-09, 11:17 AM
Don't confuse "classic" with "oddity". Turbos are an oddity. The R7 was an oddity (though less so than any turbo). It wasn't particularly special or groundbreaking or even interesting. Well, not to too many people at least.
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ahh well in that case I nominate the Cagiva VRaptor..defo an oddity, and somewhat a cult following. The Xtra would most certainly be one of the future 'rarities' as only 1000 were made worldwide.
Bought a Honda 400-4 in 1978. Put Girling gas shocks on it, and a Cibie headlight. It stuck to the road like glue, and was brilliant thro' the twistie's. A bit ugly, and like many Jap bikes back then it was a rust magnet.
Always wanted a Kawasaki Z650, and bought a '77 model in '92. Huge disappointment, slow and heavy without the ability to stop. Had a blast on the original Z1. Amazing ability it had for the frame hinging left and right as you flipped thro' corner - guaranteed to finish a journey thanking God you'd survived. Fancied a Kawasaki 3-cylinder 750 two stroke but saw too many with blown engines.
Went across to Classic Bikes near Shrewsbury in the summer to look at a 6 cylinder Honda CBX 1000. Would still like one but would prefer the original twin shock, not the Pro-Link one.
Funny you should say that about the Z650, at the time of its release it was kicking out 64 bhp which made it just short of the magic 1000cc/100bhp if you see what I mean, when you consider that the 2001 curvey is a 650 and kicking out 67 bhp (?) it was pretty handy for its day, its reckoned to be a bit of undervalued classic, the problem is that it was overshadowed by the absolutely brilliant Z900, of course it all horses for courses, better get some overtime in or Ill still be on 4 wheels ;)
wyrdness
11-12-09, 02:20 PM
You mean the Ducati 998 Matrix Reloaded Replica?
http://foto.scigacz.pl/cache/imgs/_w750/gallery/uzywane/Ducati_916_godzina_9_16_czyli_czas_na_legende/Ducati_998_Matrix_Edition.jpg
Now that is sex on wheels. I'd thought that the Matrix bikes were black, but that one looks dark green.
Edit: Looking at other photos, it appears that they are dark green. I'd just assumed that they were black.
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