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If these two places (I baulk at calling them countries) are so great, then why are so many of their proud sons and daughters living in England and not in the Nirvana they claim their homeland to be?
i don't see the point in them tbh.
Scotland and Wales, or Scotsmen and the Welsh?
scotland and wales just call it england and be done it's connected to it's **** and noggin anyway.
Biker Biggles
26-12-09, 08:48 PM
Clearly the grass is greener elsewhere than the green green grass of home.
Actually I think i'd struggle after all that grass too.
If these two places (I baulk at calling them countries) are so great, then why are so many of their proud sons and daughters living in England and not in the Nirvana they claim their homeland to be?
I'll bite.
Scotland is great, but it's the Scots that make it. They're superb wherever they go. That is why the British Empire was built on the back of Scotsmen and Scottish inventions (Television, pneumatic tyre, tarmac, the list goes on and on)
England became part of the Scottish Crown, but their jealousy never stopped :p
husky03
26-12-09, 09:03 PM
Typical ar$ehole comments that make the english the most hated nationality after the yanks in the whole world.
The Guru
26-12-09, 09:12 PM
If these two places (I baulk at calling them countries) are so great, then why are so many of their proud sons and daughters living in England and not in the Nirvana they claim their homeland to be?
:smt098
Oh and Merry Christmas
jimmy4237
26-12-09, 09:13 PM
Fine places to live, but remember it was the Scots who created the wealth for England (who squandered it very quickly), and created great countries like Canada and the continental USA. The history of Canada and the US is steeped with scots. That's why so many north americans and canadians come over to Scotland to retrace their roots, and why so many scots leave the UK for Canada and the US.
It's their nature that makes them liked and respected all over the world..
maviczap
26-12-09, 09:25 PM
If these two places (I baulk at calling them countries) are so great, then why are so many of their proud sons and daughters living in England and not in the Nirvana they claim their homeland to be?
Good job it isn't 2010, as you'd be struggling already Lozzo :rolleyes:
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=144398
I'll bite.
Scotland is great, but it's the Scots that make it. They're superb wherever they go. That is why the British Empire was built on the back of Scotsmen and Scottish inventions (Television, pneumatic tyre, tarmac, the list goes on and on)
Television - suggest you google for Paul Nipkow, who invented the whole television process before Baird was born. The 'Nipkow Disc' was the key to Baird's work. Nipkow doesn't sound like a very Scottish name to me.
Pneumatic tyres - Dunlop's pneumatic tyre patent was declared invalid because a man called Thompson declared prior art. In other words, Dunlop didn't invent the pneumatic tyre, someone beat him to it.
Tarmac - Macadam developed a method of sizing stone to use for road building, but the act of adding tar to the stones to bind them together and make the road harder wearing was invented by an American. So Tarmac is an American invention, not Scottish?
All these marvellous (non-Scottish) inventions were patented long after Britain had built an Empire
England became part of the Scottish Crown, but their jealousy never stopped :p
A comment to be treated with the derision it deserves.
Good job it isn't 2010, as you'd be struggling already Lozzo :rolleyes:
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=144398
I'm getting them all in now at the back of 2009, so 2010 can be free of it all.
Typical ar$ehole comments that make the english the most hated nationality after the yanks in the whole world.
everybody loves the english surely the eu seem to really dig us ;)
A comment to be treated with the derision it deserves.
I'm sorry, I thought by starting this thread you were displaying a sense of humour; had I know it was just a random xenophobic attack I wouldn't have entered into the spirit of it. :confused:
If these two places (I baulk at calling them countries) are so great, then why are so many of their proud sons and daughters living in England and not in the Nirvana they claim their homeland to be?
nothing to do with not liking their homeland more to do with work.
sorry but why are the english hated all over the world, when the welsh and scottish loved and treated with respect?
anyway. Merry Christmas my fine English neighbour.
oooohhhh and just to add there are thousands of you so called English flocking up here every year as well. you just have to visit places like Livingstone, Glenrothes, Edinburgh and St Andrews to discover this.
nothing to do with not liking their homeland more to do with work.
sorry but why are the english hated all over the world, when the welsh and scottish loved and treated with respect?
anyway. Merry Christmas my fine English neighbour.
oooohhhh and just to add there are thousands of you so called English flocking up here every year as well. you just have to visit places like
Livingstone, Glenrothes, Edinburgh and St Andrews to discover this.
My dad moved down here because there was no work available in the Bellshill area, he suffered more racism from the English than he deserved, bit surprised at you starting a thread like this lozzo mate.
Specialone
26-12-09, 10:45 PM
oooohhhh and just to add there are thousands of you so called English flocking up here every year as well. you just have to visit places like Livingstone, Glenrothes, Edinburgh and St Andrews to discover this.
Thats true, my brother moved up there last year after retiring from the police force, dont know where as we are not speaking:(
suzijax
26-12-09, 10:46 PM
I love Scotland i went there a year last September for the first time in my life and fell in love with it within seconds it is a beautiful place and as for the "Scots" themselves i think they are one of the most friendly of people i have met and trust me i have travelled in quite a few other countries.
I have been back there 3 times within that year and if i had of had more time and money it would of been a lot more than that
Specialone
26-12-09, 10:49 PM
Good and bad wherever you go imo.
Milky Bar Kid
26-12-09, 10:49 PM
Lozzo, even I don't find this in the least bit funny. A bit of banter between the nations can be had but this is just down right rude.
the "Scots" themselves i think they are one of the most friendly of people i have met
mostly true, that is until you become 'familiar' then we will pick a fight. :smt101
Lozzo, even I don't find this in the least bit funny. A bit of banter between the nations can be had but this is just down right rude.
Let me give you a clue, I'm 3/4 Maltese, 1/8 Irish and the other 1/8...
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Jockanese
There's no bloody Welsh in me though :D
my ancestors are all scot's hence my second name.
my ancestors are all scot's hence my second name.
what ? 650 ? :D
aye look's funny on the birth certificate mind.
Milky Bar Kid
26-12-09, 11:12 PM
Sometimes the tone isnt right Loz, and the tone in this thread isn't right...
Oh and btw, what about Alexander Graham Bell??
My surname is from the Cumbria/Dumfries area
Milky Bar Kid
26-12-09, 11:12 PM
Alexander Fleming too!
Sometimes the tone isnt right Loz, and the tone in this thread isn't right...
Oh and btw, what about Alexander Graham Bell??
and what about that carneige bloke ? and and what about archie gemmel against the dutch in the er 74 ? world cup
DarrenSV650S
26-12-09, 11:18 PM
Let me give you a clue, I'm 3/4 Maltese, 1/8 Irish and the other 1/8...
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Jockanese
There's no bloody Welsh in me though :D
My surname is from the Cumbria/Dumfries area
Why did you start the thread?
Sometimes the tone isnt right Loz, and the tone in this thread isn't right...
Oh and btw, what about Alexander Graham Bell??
Tough one, because so many others had got there first, but Bell was the first to patent the idea and therefore was able to fight their claims in court and win. He's generally acknowledged to have claimed his telephone system as the first of its kind after countless others had done all the hard work for him.
I only support two teams, wales & who ever is playing against England
. England hasn't got a true patron saint
Spiderman
27-12-09, 01:41 AM
Lozzo, even I don't find this in the least bit funny. A bit of banter between the nations can be had but this is just down right rude.
Another of those rare occasions I find myself agreeing with you MBK.
Let me give you a clue, I'm 3/4 Maltese, 1/8 Irish and the other 1/8...
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Jockanese
There's no bloody Welsh in me though :D
Erm, sorry Lozzo but did you turn 4 yesterday or just had a few too many shandies tonight? This is the kind of comment a kid comes out with. How the heck can you be a quarter anything is beyond me and being a 1/8 of something is even more stupid a comment to make. Hell if some science is believed we are all about 1 billionth African. I find this "mathematical" justification about as useful as a racist who says " i can call him a nig*** if i want cos some of my best friends are black" personally.
Why did you start the thread?
A very good question. I cant see any benefit in this thread.
You may as well have not said Welsh and Scots but any other minority or immigrant to this country. Including yourself perhaps since you're 3/4 maltese. If you were born here mate you're as english as they come in my opinion.
Now care to explain what the point of this thread is other than to pi** off a few people for no good reason?
I'm dying to know.
Everyone hates everyone, except nobody really hates anyone........surely
Is there any major city (let alone country) that is not derided by every other one and then back again for some reason or another?
What seems to be exceptionally English is that as well as this we also like to deride our own little bit of turf as a s***hole and only really become fiercely patriotic when sports are concerned. At which point we get jumped on for being big headed and self aggrandizing.
Perhaps if our national spirit was a little less Bi-polar we would not irritate our neighbours quite so.
I would imagine most of this animosity is just born of Idle pub banter and the human need to band together against a common irritation. It just doesn't go both ways because perhaps England has more of an impact on the lives of the Scottish or Welsh than vice-versa....Even if that does sounds a bit persumptous and chauvinistiv....
On a personal note, i've spent loads of time in Wales and Scotland, loved it (ok 6 weeks on the isle of Skye was a bit much) never had a problem (well except with some scousers in Anglesea, who didn't appreciate being called scousers by a mate of mine - t'was sorted by a pint - thats the British way)
Oops, someone's bit of a wind up has bit a bit too close to the bone.
C'mon Lozzo, do the right thing and say sorry. Most of us know it was banter but its still upset a few good people.
-Ralph-
27-12-09, 10:37 AM
Isn't it funny how this thread has switched from "why do Scots all live down here", to all the English suddenly proclaiming "I'm partially Scottish you know"
And if you are partially Scottish then rightly proud of it you should be, just a shame there's always a need to be secretly proud and hide it behind this pretend hatred :D
The Scots are loved by nations all over the world, including the English (secretly).
you can only be half anything i dont get all this quarter of this and that 1 eighth the other.
Specialone
27-12-09, 10:53 AM
Isn't it funny how this thread has switched from "why do Scots all live down here", to all the English suddenly proclaiming "I'm partially Scottish you know"
And if you are partially Scottish then rightly proud of it you should be, just a shame there's always a need to be secretly proud and hide it behind this pretend hatred :D
The Scots are loved by nations all over the world, including the English (secretly).
I joke about not loving other nations especially welsh, but my mates missus(who is very nice person) is 100% swansea so its only fun, seriously i take people as i find them regardless of where they come from, as i said earlier in this thread, good and bad wherever you go, there is a lot of english people i meet whom i dont like (not hate) its what makes us all different and sometimes more interesting.
Phil
As a proud Northern Englishman who's lived in Wales since 1983 (so much more than half my life), all I'm going to say is :smt016
Besides which, there are two Englands.......... the part that is the South East/Home Counties and the good bit that is the rest ;-)
Merry Christmas Lozzo :rolleyes:
Bluefish
27-12-09, 11:10 AM
Is it the places you don't like lozzo or the people?, and is England ok for you?, not too wet or cold?.
Dicky Ticker
27-12-09, 11:57 AM
There is no such thing as an English Nationality,you may have been born in the part of the UK called England and consider yourself English but that is not what it will say on your birth certificate or passport. Perhaps that is why the true Scots,Irish and Welsh are proud of their nationality having a true blood line,where as very few English born people have this.
English people are made up of Romans,Angles,Saxons,Normans and quite a few others including Celts and Vikings.
My surname is predominant on The Isle of Skye,my family came from Strathaird,I can trace my direct lineage back to 1705 on Skye so far. Prior to this our family were Abbott's of Iona Abbey,Lords of the Isles,involved in the 15 and 45 revolutions,imprisoned in the tower of London and SLAUGHTERED for their cause
I don't consider my self antagonistic because of some ones lineage and am quite proud of my own,not being made up in that mixed bag bag that results in some people being unsure of what they are apart from taking their nationality from where they were born.
dizzyblonde
27-12-09, 12:03 PM
Well, I'm German, Welsh, English...and my future kids could be Greek, I really don't care.
I do hope they have Scottish accents too!!!
Can't see the point of the thread Lozzo TBH.
i dispute that the english have no bloodline in this country what about the celts thats nothing short of racism saying that.
grh1904
27-12-09, 12:08 PM
Television - suggest you google for Paul Nipkow, who invented the whole television process before Baird was born. The 'Nipkow Disc' was the key to Baird's work. Nipkow doesn't sound like a very Scottish name to me.
Pneumatic tyres - Dunlop's pneumatic tyre patent was declared invalid because a man called Thompson declared prior art. In other words, Dunlop didn't invent the pneumatic tyre, someone beat him to it.
Tarmac - Macadam developed a method of sizing stone to use for road building, but the act of adding tar to the stones to bind them together and make the road harder wearing was invented by an American. So Tarmac is an American invention, not Scottish?
All these marvellous (non-Scottish) inventions were patented long after Britain had built an Empire
A comment to be treated with the derision it deserves.
Okay, history lesson time: -
There once was a lady called Elizabeth, whe was a Queen and as she was the first Queen to be called Elizabeth she was thus known as Queen Elizabeth The First.
Try as she might (and she did put it around a bit!!!) she just couldn't fall pregnant & unfortunately passed away leaving no successors to all that land, money, title etc.
Now, following up on some research it was established that her cousin, Mary, (who was a Queen herself - of the Scots variety) was next in line to the English throne.
Unfortunately, following a bit of a family quarrell, Elizabeth had had her head lopped off a few years previous, Oops!!!!!
Mary (Queen of Scots) had a son James, who was at this point known as James VI (that's sixth for those not in the know) of Scotland, who was now the rightfull heir to the English throne. He travelled down and took the crown to be henceforth known as James I.
He was called the first for 2 reasons, one England hadn't had a James yet, also, although technically a VI for Scotland, he was also the first James to be crowned as part of a Union between Scotland & England.
All Kings & Queens since then can trace their line back to James, so it does pose the question, Is Elizabeth II more Scottish than English??
When you bear in mind that Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (The Lovely Queen Mother R.I.P.) is 100% Scottish, then Elizabeth II is 50% Scottish.
At which point in these proceedings would all my English readers like me to bring up the subject of the Germans???
Victoria's husband Albert was German, resulting in all future monarchs since then being half German, half British (which we've already established started with a Scot).
:smt016:smt016
dizzyblonde
27-12-09, 12:11 PM
At which point in these proceedings would all my English readers like me to bring up the subject of the Germans???
Victoria's husband Albert was German, resulting in all future monarchs since then being half German, half British (which we've already established started with a Scot).
:smt016:smt016
Nowt wrong with us Germans...besides she married a Greek, if a Greeks good enough for the queen its good enough for me:D
...with scottish accents;)
Nowt wrong with us Germans...besides she married a Greek, if a Greeks good enough for the queen its good enough for me:D
The whole lot of them have been knocking each other up for generations..... pretty-much inbred now anyway.
And it shows sometimes ;-)
dizzyblonde
27-12-09, 12:16 PM
The whole lot of them have been knocking each other up for generations..... pretty-much inbred now anyway.
And it shows sometimes ;-)
Why...do they all have webbed feet?:rolleyes:
Why...do they all have webbed feet?:rolleyes:
I was referring to the Royal Families of Europe, not the Greek nation :lol:
dizzyblonde
27-12-09, 12:35 PM
I was referring to the Royal Families of Europe, not the Greek nation :lol:
:smt005yes...I gathered that!
yorkie_chris
27-12-09, 12:54 PM
Always a giggle seeing people get a cactus up their 'arris so easily :thumleft:
Bedhead
27-12-09, 01:18 PM
At the end of the day, Nationality is just a label to make yourself feel better.
Like such famous Englishmen as Amir Khan, Lennox Lewis, Scotsmen such as Rod Stewart etc..........
Mrs Bedheads lad was born in some military wing in Surrey, he's about as English as Gerry Adams.
Just take a look at any national football squad, personally, I could play for NI, Ireland, Wales and Scotland. Half of the NI squad were born and bred in England!
It's all a load of rubbish. IMHO;)
suzijax
27-12-09, 01:19 PM
Well for all the Scottish Welsh Greek German English and where ever you were born readers i would like to say one thing Who gives a flying f**k who bedded who that long ago that the no one really knows who is who.
I was born in Cheshire England therefore i am English, not British or half this or half that im English and most of the time proud to be so some of the time ashamed. :)
Tiger 55
27-12-09, 01:28 PM
Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (The Lovely Queen Mother R.I.P.) is 100% Scottish...
Well that's exactly what Lozzo is asking about. Why did she move down to London if Scotland is so great? And Charles doesn't seem to spend a whole lot of time in Wales bearing in mind he's Prince of it.
Hmm, it is a knotty one isn't it?
Why did she move down to London if Scotland is so great?
Falling in love with, and then marrying, the 2nd in line to the throne (as the future King was at the time) would have had a lot to do with it.
Back in the day, that's what was expected when a girl got married. Nothing to do with whether her homeland was any good or not.
Nothing knotty at all. Just a convenient bandwagon to jump on, I think that Scottish and Welsh people are right to be offended by such an outburst of intolerance. I wonder why Irish people were excluded from the hatefest:rolleyes:
Sid Squid
27-12-09, 04:07 PM
I wonder why Irish people were excluded from the hatefest:rolleyes:
'Cos we ain't even got started on the Micks yet.
:)
davepreston
27-12-09, 06:02 PM
bring it on calimari boy :)
The Basket
27-12-09, 06:22 PM
I live in Scotland...although I'm English.
A UK citizen living in the UK.
I don't find this thread offensive..
Just stoopid.
Typical ar$ehole comments that make the english the most hated nationality after the yanks in the whole world.
Will agree with this.
Sure you will get a warm welcome if you fancy the GMIII or the Applecross run! :thumleft:
I am more than happy on my side of the border, and you can stay on yours.
saor alba
Sid Squid
27-12-09, 07:32 PM
bring it on calimari boy :)
Just give me a while to construct something suitably offensive ;).
My family comes from Castlebar, Co Mayo.
Am waiting, Sid;)
instigator
27-12-09, 07:53 PM
I'm Scots, living in London.
I can't quite describe why I despise Scotland and never want to return. There must be some deeper meaning to my hatred of the place. I'm here right now and I'm champin' at the bit to get back down South. Probably to get away from the Scots themselves. I don't like people with no ambition. People who are happy to sit in the same place, with the same people, for all of their lives. I cannot understand that mindset. That and the scumbag NEDS or any of the youngsters in general.
So I can remain 'content' in the fact that most of the Londoners I come across don't share that same mindset. Probably because they're foreign themselves. And if not, it's probably because I don't realise it as they don't speak English. :D
skeetly
27-12-09, 08:01 PM
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I'm Scots, living in London.
I can't quite describe why I despise Scotland and never want to return. There must be some deeper meaning to my hatred of the place. I'm here right now and I'm champin' at the bit to get back down South. Probably to get away from the Scots themselves. I don't like people with no ambition. People who are happy to sit in the same place, with the same people, for all of their lives. I cannot understand that mindset. That and the scumbag NEDS or any of the youngsters in general.
So I can remain 'content' in the fact that most of the Londoners I come across don't share that same mindset. Probably because they're foreign themselves. And if not, it's probably because I don't realise it as they don't speak English. :D
were you from fife by chance? :smt016
Got a horrible feeling this thread has brought a lot of **** to the forum for no obvious reason
Seems a bit pointless to me also.
Seems a bit pointless to me also.
it's good to talk :smt080
I don't make a thread saying I don't want to be associated with people from the wrong side of the divide.
Even though I don't support the idea of a UK, I don't have a problem with people from England, well not all of them. :)
OP seems to be thinking rather narrow minded in my opinion.
Soon be New Years Eve.
Everybody getting a few drinks inside them and singing "Old Lang Syne" a poem by Robert Burns
Merry Christmas Spirit everyone...
instigator
27-12-09, 09:03 PM
were you from fife by chance? :smt016
Bleurgh no, I'm a west coaster, eh.;)
speedplay
27-12-09, 09:05 PM
Why did you start the thread?
Its xmas, families all over the country are getting p***ed up and having rows, why would here be any different? :rolleyes:
Isn't it funny how this thread has switched from "why do Scots all live down here", to all the English suddenly proclaiming "I'm partially Scottish you know"
Not me, I'd rather be ghey ;)
I'm kidding, I cant and won't do anything that makes me bleed! ;)
I would rather be Irish than a Englishman.
I love you really Dave. :rolleyes:
beabert
27-12-09, 09:45 PM
I don't make a thread saying I don't want to be associated with people from the wrong side of the divide.
Even though I don't support the idea of a UK, I don't have a problem with people from England, well not all of them. :)
OP seems to be thinking rather narrow minded in my opinion.
+1
I am pro UK though.
-Ralph-
27-12-09, 10:18 PM
I'm Scots, living in London.
I can't quite describe why I despise Scotland and never want to return. There must be some deeper meaning to my hatred of the place. I'm here right now and I'm champin' at the bit to get back down South. Probably to get away from the Scots themselves. I don't like people with no ambition. People who are happy to sit in the same place, with the same people, for all of their lives. I cannot understand that mindset. That and the scumbag NEDS or any of the youngsters in general.
So I can remain 'content' in the fact that most of the Londoners I come across don't share that same mindset. Probably because they're foreign themselves. And if not, it's probably because I don't realise it as they don't speak English. :D
Bleurgh no, I'm a west coaster, eh.;)
Maybe we are getting towards answering Lozzo's original question?
Where on the west coast are you? From what you are saying I'm going to take a guess at Dumbarton/Greenock down to Irvine/Prestwick?
The entire Central Belt (by that I mean draw a big X from Perth to Prestwick and Greenock to Galashiels) has taken a massive downturn in the past 10 years, if you ask me morale is at an all time low. The majority are not happy, and this shows in negativity, pessimism and aggression.
I don't know what has caused this downturn, but the Central Belt is no longer a part of the Scotland I used to know and love. Maybe it's the weather.
I've recently moved to England myself. I lived in Harthill, slap bang in the middle of this depression, and before moving I felt a bit disheartened with Scotland too.
I went back recently and rediscovered the Scotland and the people I used to love, having been away for nearly a year, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. Drove from Denny over to see family in Scotlandwell, via the Kincardine Bridge and cross country via Crook of Devon and along Loch Leven and was taken away by the countryside. Also walking the dog in the evening away in the lanes on the on the Carron Valley side of Denny, I realised I hadn't seen the stars properly all year, as you do through an unpolluted Scottish sky.
The people I saw there were only the people I wanted to see, close family and friends. I didn't have to deal with road rage on the M8, or an aggressive drunk in Scotmid in Harthill, or a Ned hurling unprovoked abuse across the street.
People are not bad people just because they are "content" to stay near home, and that "ambition" for them does not mean going to London and forging a career, or travelling the world. Scotland contains some of the best, most kind hearted people in the world, but I find in the Central Belt that those people are getting a bit lost in the crowd. The problem occurs IMO when people stay near home, but they are not content, and they are not fulfilling their ambitions.
The grass is not always greener either, Scotland has Neds, England has Chavs. In Birmingham or London, if you talk to someone in a shop or on a train, they shift uncomfortably and look at you like a potential murderer. If your car or house alarm goes off, your neighbour is more likely to turn up the telly, than take a look out of the window. The majority of people in the Central Belt are kind hearted and giving too, but nowadays you just need to dig a bit harder to find them and to pull it out. The problem is actually that they are becoming more like the English and wear their hearts on their sleeves less than they used to.
Sounds to me like you need a Scottish holiday. Don't go anywhere near home, or near those people who are frustrating you with their narrow mindedness and lack of ambition. Either stay in the Borders, or drive up the M74 to Glasgow and keep going until you hit the hills again. Find a beautiful country and, without the crowds and clouds of unhappy folk in the central belt, find those beautiful people, and remind yourself that Scotland contains many more square miles of the good stuff, than it does the bad.
There's a weekend ride-out coming up called the GM3? ;-)
Milky Bar Kid
27-12-09, 10:20 PM
Maybe we are getting towards answering Lozzo's original question?
Where on the west coast are you? From what you are saying I'm going to take a guess at Dumbarton/Greenock down to Irvine/Prestwick?
The entire Central Belt (by that I mean draw a big X from Perth to Prestwick and Greenock to Galashiels) has taken a massive downturn in the past 10 years, if you ask me morale is at an all time low. The majority are not happy, and this shows in negativity, pessimism and aggression.
I don't know what has caused this downturn, but the Central Belt is not part of the Scotland I used to know and love. Maybe it's the weather.
I've recently moved to England myself. I lived in Harthill, slap bang in the middle of this depression, and before moving I felt a bit disheartened with Scotland too.
I went back recently and rediscovered the Scotland and the people I used to love, having been away for nearly a year, absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that. Drove from Denny over to see family in Scotlandwell, via the Kincardine Bridge and cross country via Crook of Devon and along Loch Leven and was taken away by the countryside. Also walking the dog in the evening away in the lanes on the on the Carron Valley side of Denny, I realised I hadn't seen the stars properly all year, as you do through an unpolluted Scottish sky.
The people I saw there were only the people I wanted to see, close family and friends. I didn't have to deal with road rage on the M8, or an aggressive drunk in Scotmid in Harthill, or a Ned hurling unprovoked abuse across the street.
People are not bad people just because they are "content" to stay near home, and that "ambition" for them does not mean going to London and forging a career, or travelling the world. Scotland contains some of the best, most kind hearted people in the world, but I find in the Central Belt that those people are getting a bit lost in the crowd. The problem occurs IMO when people stay near home, but they are not content, and they are not fulfilling their ambitions.
The grass is not always greener either, Scotland has Neds, England has Chavs. In Birmingham or London, if you talk to someone in a shop or on a train, they shift uncomfortably and look at you like a potential murderer. If your car or house alarm goes off, your neighbour is more likely to turn up the telly, than take a look out of the window. The majority of people in the Central Belt are kind hearted and giving too, but nowadays you just need to dig a bit harder to find them and to pull it out. The problem is actually that they are becoming more like the English and wear their hearts on their sleeves less than they used to.
Sounds to me like you need a Scottish holiday. Don't go anywhere near home, or near those people who are frustrating you with their narrow mindedness and lack of ambition. Either stay in the Borders, or drive up the M74 to Glasgow and keep going until you hit the hills again. Find a beautiful country and, without the crowds and clouds of unhappy folk in the central belt, find those beautiful people, and remind yourself that Scotland contains many more square miles of the good stuff, than it does the bad.
YAY!:thumleft:
instigator
27-12-09, 10:24 PM
Spot on Ralph re: the comments about the central belt. Greenock is more or less the area that I came from. Now don't get me wrong, I loved Scotland when I lived there - be it down the west coast or in Glasgow. It's just when I moved away, I realised how 'dreicht' it really was.
I do get to 'escape' to the countryside to where my father lives and yes, it certainly is a breath of fresh air. And I dislike those parts for different reasons altogether (limited local services and opening times, reliance on your own transport, crap weather) but ultimately the people are far nicer, I agree.
Oh and re: my comments with regards to the people and not udnerstanding their particular mindset. It's partly why I don't like Scotland (or perhaps, now a redefined 'central belt') but I do struggle to find out why I have this deep resentment towards the Country and am just taking a stab in the dark. It really annoys me too being that all my family and friends live up in Scotland.
Specialone
27-12-09, 10:32 PM
Ralph, my brother( whom i dont speak to as our wives fell out, another story ) moved to scotland last year.
My sister has been to see him a few times and she told me he has racism directed towards him in a cafe of all places, so its good and bad everywhere.
Will find out where he went cos i forgot.
-Ralph-
27-12-09, 10:39 PM
Ralph, my brother( whom i dont speak to as our wives fell out, another story ) moved to scotland last year.
My sister has been to see him a few times and she told me he has racism directed towards him in a cafe of all places, so its good and bad everywhere.
Will find out where he went cos i forgot.
Yep, when this kind of thing happens http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5105452.stm it really makes me ashamed, but as you say there is good and bad anywhere, I'm sure there are plenty of articles on BBC news which point in the opposite direction.
I lived in a village with a reputation for seasonal orange marching and sectarian views. Now it's not as bad as some around the central belt would have you believe, but it is certainly a mentality that I don't claim to understand.
Specialone
27-12-09, 10:43 PM
Yep, when this kind of thing happens http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5105452.stm it really makes me ashamed, but as you say there is good and bad anywhere, I'm sure there are plenty of articles on BBC news which point in the opposite direction.
Trouble is though mate, you cant be responsible for all your countrymen, we have probably got 10x more bad people down here that would make us ashamed to be english.
-Ralph-
27-12-09, 10:48 PM
Trouble is though mate, you cant be responsible for all your countrymen, we have probably got 10x more bad people down here that would make us ashamed to be english.
Absolutely, a colleague of mine had a gun put in his stomach in Tesco petrol station at Notcutts in Shirley and they drove away with all his possessions and his Audi TT. It didn't even make the local news, but would have been national news in Scotland.
Yep, when this kind of thing happens http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5105452.stm it really makes me ashamed, but as you say there is good and bad anywhere, I'm sure there are plenty of articles on BBC news which point in the opposite direction.
Saying that, A England supporter attacked by a Gers fan?
Doesn't make sense to me!
It's sectarianism violence, not racist violence.
Not like Rangers and English supporters are classed as races.
Specialone
27-12-09, 10:52 PM
Absolutely, a colleague of mine had a gun put in his stomach in Tesco petrol station at Notcutts in Shirley and they drove away with all his possessions and his Audi TT. It didn't even make the local news, but would have been national news in Scotland.
And thats a nice area there as well ;)
Murders and deaths dont always make news down here, getting too common :(
outsider's pitchfork's at the ready.
I'm Scots, living in London.
I can't quite describe why I despise Scotland and never want to return. There must be some deeper meaning to my hatred of the place. I'm here right now and I'm champin' at the bit to get back down South. Probably to get away from the Scots themselves. I don't like people with no ambition. People who are happy to sit in the same place, with the same people, for all of their lives. I cannot understand that mindset. That and the scumbag NEDS or any of the youngsters in general.
So I can remain 'content' in the fact that most of the Londoners I come across don't share that same mindset. Probably because they're foreign themselves. And if not, it's probably because I don't realise it as they don't speak English. :D
Poor we lamb, you were bullied at school weren't you...
http://www.samaritans.org/
Regarding Dunlop and the invention of the tyre. Yes it is correct that a good 40 odd years earlier something similar had already been done, by Robert William Thomson. The clue is in the name, you guesed it, he was Sottish as well. If the Christian names weren't Scottish enough, the Scots version of Thomson has no "p" in it.:smt016
Tiger 55
28-12-09, 11:47 AM
all my family and friends live up in Scotland.
Sorry to hear you haven't made any friends in England. Maybe it's you?
instigator
28-12-09, 01:54 PM
Sorry to hear you haven't made any friends in England. Maybe it's you?
Made plenty down South thanks. I was referring to 'original' School/Uni friends. But I accept that you're not happy that a fellow Scot can hate their own country as, like many other Scots, you really can't accept criticism. :p
The Guru
28-12-09, 01:57 PM
At the end of the day, Nationality is just a label to make yourself feel better.
Like such famous Englishmen as Amir Khan, Lennox Lewis, Scotsmen such as Rod Stewart etc..........
Rod Stewart wasn't even born in Scotland. :rolleyes:
suzijax
28-12-09, 02:15 PM
Correct he was born in Essex
yorkie_chris
28-12-09, 05:05 PM
Can't say I've anything against the pasty tight fisted porridge munching skirt wearing inhabitants of the wastelands even further north than geordies, but I don't know what you're on about calling Wales a country. It's actually a FRIGHTENING DISEASE OF THE MIND! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlv3B1078PA)
Can't say I've anything against the pasty tight fisted porridge munching skirt wearing inhabitants of the wastelands even further north than geordies, but I don't know what you're on about calling Wales a country. It's actually a FRIGHTENING DISEASE OF THE MIND! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlv3B1078PA)
Hey, leave the Welsh alone! They've got enough problems...
Sometimes the tone isnt right Loz, and the tone in this thread isn't right...
Funny but as much as I try, the words written are not producing any tones that I can hear.
Is it the places you don't like lozzo or the people?, and is England ok for you?, not too wet or cold?.
At last, someone got it.
Too many people read the wrong thing into my original post and assumed the worst. They ought to know by now how I write my posts and to look a bit deeper.
England is a bit sucky right now, but it'll brighten up
skeetly
28-12-09, 07:23 PM
Heh.
I'm hoping Wales might improve now....
Scotland was brilliant in the autumn :) Not much state intererence where I was anyhoo.
AR10 is in Wales, so as soon as I cross the border everything will be right in that part of the world
maviczap
28-12-09, 08:14 PM
AR10 is in Wales, so as soon as I cross the border everything will be right in that part of the world
Assuming they'll let you in.
They may cancell your visa :p
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