Problems fitting Blueflame exhaust [Archive] - SV650.org

RedMacgregor

26-12-09, 09:45 PM

Just wondering if anyone has had problems fitting an aftermarket exhaust to a K8 SV650S?

I ordered a twin port exhaust from Blueflame at the NEC show. I've had two goes at fitting it both unsuccessful due to the design of the suppled link pipes.

The first link pipe was supplied incorrectly (wrong model year) however the new one is not a lot better. The problem is that the exhaust when fitted does not follow the line of the bike. It angles away from the bike at about 10 degrees. I've looked at the stock exhaust and it has an bend of about 32 degrees - the Blueflame link pipe has a bend of 22 degrees. Blueflame will look at the problem after the holiday break but I'm not convinced they are that interested.

I've attached some photos which show the problem. Blueflame seem to be the only company that have 3 specific link pipes. I can't see anything that would make my SV any different to a K7 or earlier except for the oxygen sensor. Is this a know problem with K8 models or is it Blueflame. Any suggestions or advice would be welcome particularly if you have fitted an exhaust to a K8/K9.
Thanks

Holdup

27-12-09, 01:02 PM

Part of me thinks its looks ok but part of me doesnt, have you tried twisting the link pipe round? so from the back try twisting it clock wise? thats the only thing i can think of at the moment

DavieSV

27-12-09, 01:19 PM

I had the same problem with my k5
I made my own link pipe to get it just where I wanted it.
Blue flame have known about this for years and have still not done anything about it. They don't listen to there customer feed back and I think their customer care is a bit poor compared to the price of there products

lee67

27-12-09, 04:00 PM

Part of me thinks its looks ok but part of me doesnt, have you tried twisting the link pipe round? so from the back try twisting it clock wise? thats the only thing i can think of at the moment

+1...most link pipes are same, twist it clockwise untill it lines up correct:thumleft:

Icanopit

27-12-09, 04:09 PM

+1 more, clean pipe/silencer internal and external surfaces well, apply a little copper grease and this should allow you to rotate the link pipe which "will" give you the desired position? also make sure the silencer strap is a loose fit, have fun.
JOHN

Specialone

27-12-09, 05:52 PM

My scorpian doesnt sit as good as id like it, my link pipe, no matter how much i rotated it would bring it in.
Because its effectively a dogleg (lazy 's' shape almost) jigged out a certain amount you cant detract from how much the two centre lines are apart.
Sorry if this sounds confusing but i know what i mean;)
My can sits almost paralell with the frame except i wish it was closer, only a tighter jigged pipe would achieve this.

Sally

27-12-09, 06:45 PM

I see you're problem, you have still got the baffles in :)

Just as the others said, twist, and just play about with it until its how you like.

Stu

27-12-09, 09:09 PM

I kinda agree with the others saying try twisting it it more. But I would also say keep on at Blueflame - they do have some good people that are very willing to help (I think I have dealt with one called Nigel?) I'm sure you paid a lot for it & you shouldn't make do until you are happy.

Oh & it's Blueflame so keep the receipt incase you need to claim on the warranty ;)

RedMacgregor

28-12-09, 10:13 AM

Thanks for the replies.

I have tried every which way to rotate the link pipe - I think the only way you could get it to align correctly would be to move it higher than the rear peg. This is because as you rotate the pipe it eventually hits the bottom of the peg but the rear of the exhaust does start to look right.

I think the comment regarding Blueflame knowing about the problem is probably right. The chap I spoke seemed keen to do something but he didn't fill me with confidence. He said they would not sell anything that wasn't fitting correctly. I told him the pipe needs a further 10 degrees of bend and he gave me the impression they might make what I've asked for. He said it was a problem when a new model year comes out because they haven't got the facilities to buy a bike just to check the fittings were correct.

I'm quite prepared to try and get this pipe bent or cut and welded at the right angle and then let them fabricate a new one - or should I send it back and get a Beowulf or similar. Am I likely to get the same problem with other makes of exhaust with this K8 SV?

By the way you couldn't live with it the way it fits at the moment - it sticks out by more than 2 inches compared to the stock exhaust. The baffles are all still in place as I've not run the engine with it on yet.

Cheers - Steve

Icanopit

28-12-09, 10:51 AM

Hi again, sorry to hear you are still having problems, if it indicates as others have noted that Blueflame have been aware "that there is a problem" and you are not confident of getting a satisfactory fit you will never be happy?
I would suggest that you contact them again and advise that the unit is not fit for purpose and return it to them IF there is nothing they can do about it AT THEIR COST.
I fitted a titanium FUEL to my new 95 reg sport with no problem whatsoever took about 30 minutes, sawing the new/old one off took the longest.
JOHN

Specialone

28-12-09, 11:00 AM

Stu

28-12-09, 11:11 AM

Have a look at my pic of my tailtidy, you can see my can on one of them and how far it sits away from the frame.
I have seen a couple of scorpians on sv's in showrooms and sit exactly the same as mine.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=2131426#post2131426
Looks bad/fitted wrong. I would not put up with this either.
the exh strap should be on the inside of the footpeg hanger

Specialone

28-12-09, 11:15 AM

Looks bad/fitted wrong. I would not put up with this either.
the exh strap should be on the inside of the footpeg hanger

Thats where id like it, its not fitted wrong, i think, i tried all angles, from what i can see, only a tighter jigged link pipe would sort this.

Aint gotta clue where i would get one from though, i can live with it for now but would like to sort it.

TazDaz

28-12-09, 12:26 PM

Do you not have a strap to go round the pipe? Fitted my beowulf the other day, and the strap which bolts up to the rear foot rest hanger thing, pulled my silencer in by a few degrees.

RedMacgregor

28-12-09, 01:18 PM

Thanks again for the replies.

I can see your problem Specialone - at least the can is inline with the bike but as you say a long way out - what model year is your bike?

I've had another look at the position of the can in relation to the foot peg bracket and looking from above the bracket is inline with the bike where the can is at 10 degrees to the bracket. There is no way the bracket will pull it round that much as the pipes are a good fit and have no play.

I'm going in search of a tig welder or pipe bender as I can't live with the stock scud launcher or it's twin port brother.

There must be someone out there with an aftermarket can that fits correctly on a K8 model??

Cheers again - Steve

fizzwheel

28-12-09, 01:52 PM

or should I send it back

You should IMHO send it back, that link pipe isnt right.

If you arent getting anywhere with the blue flame staff themselves try speaking ot the MD, I had a problem with my Blue Flame EVO and after speaking to the MD of Blueflame the situation was quickly resolved to my satisfaction.

His name is Rod Geskell, maybe give him a ring and see if he can sort your problem out. If they dont have a K8 in order to make a link pipe with offer them yours and see if you can wangle some free stuff out of them...

Specialone

28-12-09, 02:14 PM

Thanks again for the replies.

I can see your problem Specialone - at least the can is inline with the bike but as you say a long way out - what model year is your bike?

Cheers again - Steve

Steve, mines a k7, but there should be no difference between the yours and mine apart from red seat and a few cosmetic things.

TazDaz

28-12-09, 02:37 PM

There must be someone out there with an aftermarket can that fits correctly on a K8 model??

Cheers again - Steve

Well the K5 onwards are near enough all the same, if not exactly the same. Plenty of people have correctly fitted aftermarket cans, I would get a pic of my newly fitted Beowulf, but I've just noticed it is blowing at one of the rivets so it is going back pronto!

SpecialOne...your can doesn't remotely look right.

Specialone

28-12-09, 02:46 PM

TBH that pic i posted makes it look worse than it is.
Like i said, i have seen 3 inc mine with scorpians on and they were all the same as mine.

Here's another from a different angle.

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx225/specialone0055/oldsnowshovel.jpg

RedMacgregor

28-12-09, 04:59 PM

Thanks Fizzwheel for the info on the MD - lets hope it doesn't get that far. I'd be quite happy to go up to Blueflame's workshop and get it sorted - I might suggest that option if the next link pipe doesn't fix the problem.

I agree Specialone there should be no difference between a K7/K8 - I was just wondering if the oxygen sensor that's fitted from K7 onwards has altered the angle of the pipe coming from the exhaust collector. The two link pipes BF have supplied so far have the bend at opposite ends if you understand what I mean. The K9 link pipe they supplied has the bend immediately after the section that clamps to the existing pipe. This brings the can closer to the swinging arm all be it at the wrong angle. The first link pipe they supplied had a straight section from the clamp to the existing pipe and then bend quite near to the can.

The problem with photos of after-market exhausts not many give you a view from the rear - they are all side on or 45 degree shots and everything looks fine.

My mate tried a Blueflame exhaust on his ZZR1400 - it went straight back because it didn't fit. I must admit I had second thoughts about buying this at the time but I'm really sold on the twin port design.

Thanks again for the comments - Steve

kwak zzr

28-12-09, 06:52 PM

+1...most link pipes are same, twist it clockwise untill it lines up correct:thumleft:

my scorpion did this, just keep fiddling and it'll line up.

Specialone

28-12-09, 07:01 PM

my scorpion did this, just keep fiddling and it'll line up.

Kwak, i spent ages fiddling with my can trying to get best fit, how i have it now was the best it would fit.
Like i said earlier, ive seen others exactly the same, one was in J&S in brum.
The only thing i think that would effect it is cutting the old one off, but even that hasnt got much margin for error as things wont line up and the link pipe is a set distance.
Im gonna take another look tomorrow and post some details.

Phil

kwak zzr

28-12-09, 07:06 PM

ok, i know we had trouble lining cuz's scorp up too but it all went fine in the end.

kwak zzr

28-12-09, 07:10 PM

i had a sim problem with my yoshi tri oval but i ended up making spacers to make it fit. see here http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=132695&highlight=yoshimura

RedMacgregor

29-12-09, 10:15 AM

Special one - I had a look at the Scorpion web site last night - they only list SV's exhausts up to 06. However in the Demon Tweaks catalogue they list them up to 07. I think your exhaust came of an 05 bike if it's the one your bought off the forum. Makes me think there might be a specific link pipe for 07 onwards. Might be worth enquiring with Scorpion.

Viney

29-12-09, 10:44 AM

Theres a title that i ahvent seen in a while :)

chrisc

29-12-09, 03:33 PM

I didn't fit mine, but certainly didn't have to use anything other than those parts supplied in the kit. Oh, and yes, the baffle has since been removed :P

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_cH6sOk-g-IM/Sq0wR6s5VdI/AAAAAAAABq8/oS71uw9avH4/s640/IMG_0675.JPG

k31tha

29-12-09, 04:07 PM

heres my beowolf which i fit myself and i had no problems what so ever

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l390/k31tha/DSCF0509.jpg

silent11

29-12-09, 04:09 PM

i also had same problem so i removed the foot peg and used a old spanner to give it a radical angle lol

from:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/phild11/sv/DSC_7094.jpg

to this:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/phild11/sv/Image020.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d185/phild11/sv/Image019.jpg

RedMacgregor

29-12-09, 04:38 PM

PaulSV

29-12-09, 05:09 PM

I too had problems with Poo Flame, I had a new can bought from a third party and just needed a link pipe and after waiting over two weeks of being lied to about it being despatched and so on I demanded my money back and bought a link pipe from Carbon Can Company and it fitted a treat, plus it was cheaper and people there were so much more helpful.
K7 naked by the way.

chrisc

29-12-09, 05:12 PM

ChrisC

Have you got anymore photos of the bike from the side and behind so I can see how close the can is to the swinging arm and also identify which link pipe you are using.

Your bike is the first one I've seen that is the same colour, model year and twin port can.

Thanks - Steve

I don't have any photos that show it clearly, I'll take some though.

Nice colour isnt it! I was glad to get one that wasnt the k9 powder paint blue with the stripe.. being last years model nice and cheap too