View Full Version : Anyone else see a riot coming?
Wideboy
04-01-10, 12:42 PM
On the planned march thro wooten basset
timwilky
04-01-10, 12:44 PM
Was waiting for someone to comment. It wouldn't be a riot. More likely a massacre, talk about insensitive.
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/uk-news/421--coming-soon--wootton-bassett-march
should be interesting..........
timwilky
04-01-10, 12:50 PM
that link is not working. Hopefully they have been hit with a DoS attack
husky03
04-01-10, 12:52 PM
yep-these people should just get to **** - its a disgrace that this is being allowed to happen-I'm almost hoping that it does kick off.
that link is not working. Hopefully they have been hit with a DoS attack
Sorry, copied from another site.
Police should apply to the local authority for a banning order, IMHO. I don't have a problem with them marching - but why through Wootton Bassett?
husky03
04-01-10, 12:55 PM
why-simples-to cause as much upset,hurt and reaction as possible.
amnesia
04-01-10, 12:55 PM
Police should apply to the local authority for a banning order, IMHO. I don't have a problem with them marching - but why through Wootton Bassett?
To get exactly what they have got here - a reaction.
If it is a march to remember the fallen civilians in Afghanistan, then go and do it in Helmand.
jamesterror
04-01-10, 12:56 PM
A riot no, we're not in France. People moaning about it, nothing being done, that sounds a bit more like the UK
Mr Brown is getting involed now... (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/foreign-policy/brown-wades-into-wootton-bassett-protest-controversy-$1351228.htm)
husky03
04-01-10, 01:01 PM
gonna see the english defence league there so there will be trouble
TheOnlyNemesis
04-01-10, 01:06 PM
Mr Brown is getting involed now... (http://www.politics.co.uk/news/foreign-policy/brown-wades-into-wootton-bassett-protest-controversy-$1351228.htm)
that counts as involved???
Wideboy
04-01-10, 01:12 PM
A riot no, we're not in France. People moaning about it, nothing being done, that sounds a bit more like the UK
Maybe so but this i can see kicking off, of course the local police will be tied up there protecting the march and wasting tax payers money
the march is simply to cause maximum offence nothing else, to say its to remember the civilians is just a front
Milky Bar Kid
04-01-10, 01:18 PM
Maybe so but this i can see kicking off, of course the local police will be tied up there protecting the march and wasting tax payers money
the march is simply to cause maximum offence nothing else, to say its to remember the civilians is just a front
Of course they will be protecting the march!
I am appalled by this but at the end of the day, the Police, whether you,or I like it or not, have a duty of care to all civillians, including those marching. Our first and foremost duty is to preserve life. If this means protecting those who are marching as they are more likely to suffer injury then so be it. The point of the Police walking in cordons round the marchers is as much to stop them as it is to protect them. It is also designed to try and stop as much disorder as possible.
I think something should be done preventing it before it happens. Inevitably it is going to result in disorder and people being injured. But I imagine our Govt will be too scared of the cries of racism to do this.
why should it be prevented, i'm glad to say that we now live in a multi cultural society with 'free speach'. although i sometimes think that the goverment want to abolish this as well.
why should it be prevented, i'm glad to say that we now live in a multi cultural society with 'free speach'. although i sometimes think that the goverment want to abolish this as well.
Thats the price we pay for demeocracy.
husky03
04-01-10, 01:30 PM
Bibio do you think its ok for it to go ahead through the village where the dead servicemen and women make there final journey?-by all means afford them there right to have a lawful march but through this particular place where its gonna incite people-wrong ,way wrong.
As for free speech i'm afraid we don't have free speech in this country any longer-you can choose to say something but if its judged to offend some other person you can end up getting lifted for it-free speech is something that died in this country years ago.
Wideboy
04-01-10, 01:30 PM
why should it be prevented, i'm glad to say that we now live in a multi cultural society with 'free speach'. although i sometimes think that the goverment want to abolish this as well.
Because it will be offensive. You wouldnt knowing let a neo nazi group protest outside a synagogue or the national front through a area that is ethnic
I read about this last night and thought it was a joke
No problem with a march to remember the fallen civilians in Afghanistan. (If that's what it's branded as)
Insensitive but offensive?
TheOnlyNemesis
04-01-10, 01:34 PM
What i don't get is these people complain and say the us/uk forces are killing innocents but at the same time, the taliban set off suicide bombs in public areas. If they want to help so much, why don't they go protest in the country they are protesting for.
It's rediculous. Surely picking that location is purely to cause offence?
TheOnlyNemesis
04-01-10, 01:35 PM
No problem with a march to remember the fallen civilians in Afghanistan.
Insensitive but why offensive?
offensive because he is saying it is the uk troops killing them and choose wootton bassett because troops are remembered as hero's
I'd say he'd chose WB because it's where he'll get the most publicity.
I say let them go ahead and march peacefully and freely.
However - I'd call on every individual from the Wootton Basset area, and anyone thinking of attending in protest to the march to stay away from Wootton Basset on the day and leave the area completely people-free. I'd also call on the UK's media to boycott the event and give it no publicity whatsoever.
Let them march, but leave them no-one to hear what they are saying and leave them no-one to react to. An empty protest is no protest at all.
If we can do that we are not denying these 'people' the right to march and protest, but it'll be next to useless as a tool to get publicity or a reaction. They want all the National Front, BNP and white supremacists to be there so they can shout about the racism shown towards them and how they are being victimised. Don't give them the pleasure - ignore them and treat them with the contempt they deserve.
Failing that, wait til the area is clear of locals and police, and the march is in full swing and then nuke it from on high.
I'd say he'd chose WB because it's where he'll get the most publicity.
Precisely. They've picked the location for maximum publicity and exposure, I would imagine the guy knows it will cause offence to some, but that's not a reason to ban the march IMO. Let them have their march, nobody has to go and view if if they don't want to. If protestors turn up to cause trouble that's a whole different issue (and stupid, again IMO)
I say let them go ahead and march peacefully and freely.
However - I'd call on every individual from the Wootton Basset area, and anyone thinking of attending in protest to the march to stay away from Wootton Basset on the day and leave the area completely people-free....
... ignore them and treat them with the contempt they deserve.
I totally agree.
I dont beleive the intent is to cause offense, more that it will generate huge publicity.
plowsie
04-01-10, 02:07 PM
'Hand me my AK!'
speedplay
04-01-10, 02:15 PM
'Hand me my AK!'
You would only make martyrs out of them mate.
I totally agree.
I dont beleive the intent is to cause offense, more that it will generate huge publicity.
I'm not so sure, have you read the text on the website, about the merciless killing of Afghan civilians etc. These people aren't intent on marching for peace, they are marching to get people's backs up and cause offence. They are trying to turn on it's head the idea that any British soldier who dies in Afghan is a hero.
What these idiots don't understand is that British troops are doing their best to give the Afghani people the same democratic right to march and protest that these radical f*cknuggets have in Britain. Something the Afghani people haven't had in a very long time.
Something else they don't seem to understand is that the soldiers, airmen and sailors/marines didn't choose to go to Afghan, the politicians decided that for them. If they want to march, they should march in Westminster or up Capital Hill and take it up with the real war criminals who have sat at the head of parliament. I include Gordon Brown, G. W. Bush and Tony Blair, but exclude Barak Obama from this list. I honestly believe Obama wants all troops out of there asap but has been put in an almost impossible position by the previous incumbent
speedplay
04-01-10, 02:23 PM
I honestly believe Obama wants all troops out of there asap but has been put in an almost impossible position by the previous incumbent
It goes back much further than that mate.
The afghanis were trained and armed by the americans years ago to fight the russians (when it suited the americans to get involved).
It goes back much further than that mate.
The afghanis were trained and armed by the americans years ago to fight the russians (when it suited the americans to get involved).
They were called the mujahadein, now they are better knows as the taliban...
speedplay
04-01-10, 02:27 PM
They were called the mujahadein, now they are better knows as the taliban...
Cia trained and UK educated.
Shame s**t, different wrapper.
I know about that, The US and UK also were involved in that sort of thing all over the world, but G. W. Bush has made America's position in Afghan an impossible one to pull away from quickly, which has really screwed Obama (and in turn the UK) over.
Really boils my **** this ****.
They are entilteled to their say on things. but the so called civilians they are marching to remmeber 99% of them are Taliban.
its the wrong place to do it full stop. the parade is part of the repatriation of the KIA not just a show of respect. There are friends family there of thoe who have fallen at these things. and some of them probably dont agree with the war either. It is however part of the mourning and grieving process of those familys. To do this sort of thing they may as well go the whole hog and parade at each funeral individually.
As a serving member i cant express how ****ing outraged i am. Personally i think they should let the public and military rip them apart when they parade.
It must sicken the police to have to protect these people.
If they love afgan that much **** off back and me and my friends will be more than happy to put a few 5.56 into you next time i go out there.
speedplay
04-01-10, 02:43 PM
neio, I bet you just love going shopping in Luton too dont you?
Seeing the taliban collections going on in the high street is a real eye opener.
Seeing the taliban collections going on in the high street is a real eye opener.
:shock:Seriously WTF!!!!!!!! It really would take all i had not to beat the living **** out of anyone i saw doing that.
slark01
04-01-10, 02:48 PM
If everyone who is not involved in the march stayed away and the media is banned, then the march would basically be a waste of time. However due to the nature of the media as well as certain individuals they are making things worse by winding people up.
I really could not careless what these muslims have to say, so why should I have to hear it everytime I put the TV on.
Let them march by themselves and everyone else stay away end of.
Ste.
plowsie
04-01-10, 02:50 PM
neio, I bet you just love going shopping in Luton too dont you?
Seeing the taliban collections going on in the high street is a real eye opener.
Please tell me your joking...
I'd probably say 'Please tell me your joking' to them too.
plowsie
04-01-10, 02:52 PM
Remember the stop the Xfactor being number 1 group on Facebook being so successful. How about 'Give Islam no coverage on proposed march's?'
:shock:Seriously WTF!!!!!!!! It really would take all i had not to beat the living **** out of anyone i saw doing that.
He's deadly serious mate, it does happen and I've seen it, it boils my p1ss too. It happens in much the same way that certain pubs in Luton and Bedford that were frequented by the Irish community used to have Sunday lunchtime collections for "the boys back home" in the 70s and 80s. Unfortunately, being the great politically correct country that we are, we're not legally allowed to do anything to stop it.
davepreston
04-01-10, 03:01 PM
ahhh welcome to my world ladies and gents, ever hear of the 12th of july orange marches , tbh this is just old hat to me been there seen it got the t shirts, i think a role reversal would be funny as **** eg like the 12th everyone stand at the side of the road drinking and cheering them on the route could you imagine the faces of the marchers getting a standing ovation as they walked past, welcome to britian were happy you can do this enjoy your day :)
speedplay
04-01-10, 03:03 PM
:shock:Seriously WTF!!!!!!!! It really would take all i had not to beat the living **** out of anyone i saw doing that.
Please tell me your joking...
I'd probably say 'Please tell me your joking' to them too.
I wish I were.
I remember walking into town when I was working there a few years ago and seeing tables set up for taliban collections.
Not hidden either.
Well out in the open and well in your face.
If you said anything the least you would get is spat at.
I was spat at crossing the road outside the site and couldnt understand why till I looked around and saw that I was the only white guy there.
I can't See the Govt allowing this march. In the run up to an election it would be the same as shooting yourself in the foot.
And as for cries of Freedom of Speech, surely no one is naive enough to believe that it wouldn't be abused with radical speeches, and incitement.
But hey, we're too soft and continually make allowances for minority groups at the expense of the majority.
Water cannons, fast track to the courts, and then if they are immigrants abusing the British hospitality straight to Heathrow and away. If not immigrants, prison for public order offences.
barwel1992
04-01-10, 03:07 PM
and the thing that gets me is they wonder why people are racist towards them
Red Herring
04-01-10, 03:12 PM
Given the level of support our soldiers enjoy for what they are doing, which is basically fighting to protect the level of freedom we enjoy in this country, I'm a little disappointed to see so many people condemning the use of that freedom. You can hardly call this a free country if you are going to deny a person, or a group of people, the right to express their view now can you. I don't happen to agree with their view, and indeed i find much of what they say, and why they say it, offensive, but I will defend their right to say it just as passionately as our soldiers fight to preserve my ability to do so. If you don't want to hear what they say don't go there.
Given the level of support our soldiers enjoy for what they are doing, which is basically fighting to protect the level of freedom we enjoy in this country, I'm a little disappointed to see so many people condemning the use of that freedom. You can hardly call this a free country if you are going to deny a person, or a group of people, the right to express their view now can you. I don't happen to agree with their view, and indeed i find much of what they say, and why they say it, offensive, but I will defend their right to say it just as passionately as our soldiers fight to preserve my ability to do so. If you don't want to hear what they say don't go there.
That's the most sensible post for a couple of pages
Alpinestarhero
04-01-10, 03:26 PM
Given the level of support our soldiers enjoy for what they are doing, which is basically fighting to protect the level of freedom we enjoy in this country, I'm a little disappointed to see so many people condemning the use of that freedom. You can hardly call this a free country if you are going to deny a person, or a group of people, the right to express their view now can you. I don't happen to agree with their view, and indeed i find much of what they say, and why they say it, offensive, but I will defend their right to say it just as passionately as our soldiers fight to preserve my ability to do so. If you don't want to hear what they say don't go there.
I get what you say, and you are quite right. I think its the choice of location, given that its the place where our fallen come through - it dosn't matter really what killed them, its the fact that we respect them enough to go out and pay respects to them, because they are having to fight a war that the people here "back home" don;t completly agree with. Sure, its their job, but no-one else wants them to have to do it.
The protest shouldn't be shut down, but as a mark of respect it would be best to do it somewhere else.
davepreston - that would be a laugh :smt005
I'm not so sure, have you read the text on the website...
I hadnt no, the link didnt work for me.
I hadnt no, the link didnt work for me.
Sorry, the link originally worked when I previewed it earlier http://www.islam4uk.com/
hope this works
Listening to a debate on Sky News between someone from Islam4UK and a Colonal of the British Army who used to command in Afghanistan.
The Abu Yahya (Islam4UK) guy has clearly been brainwashed. Denying that al-qaeda have also killed muslims. Considering he is meant to be British, he sounds like a robot.
husky03
04-01-10, 03:47 PM
He ain't no Brit not by along way.
Milky Bar Kid
04-01-10, 04:31 PM
Given the level of support our soldiers enjoy for what they are doing, which is basically fighting to protect the level of freedom we enjoy in this country, I'm a little disappointed to see so many people condemning the use of that freedom. You can hardly call this a free country if you are going to deny a person, or a group of people, the right to express their view now can you. I don't happen to agree with their view, and indeed i find much of what they say, and why they say it, offensive, but I will defend their right to say it just as passionately as our soldiers fight to preserve my ability to do so. If you don't want to hear what they say don't go there.
Right, I totally agree with your point about allowing them to have their say but the way I view this is that it is a deliberate attempt to incite a row.
If they had chosen any other town/village n the UK I would care not a jot. I think however, they are purposefully asking for trouble and I think that they are more than likely to get it.
Yes, they should be allowed to march. In Wooton Bassett? No.
sunshine
04-01-10, 04:37 PM
riot coming soon they should say on there website, i think the march wont happen, the death toll will be higher than that of people lost in the war itself if a riot breaks out the sensitivity of this will cause extremists from both sides to show up, the racist English will be there the bash there faces in, and as they have already shown there intent to stir up fight by protesting through Wotten Bassett will mean the islamic group will be ready to fight.
well someone from Wotten bassett told me:
i think it's a nice idea, but bad for the people who live there, think of the violance that will happen, islamic people will cause havok and the people against islam will cause more havok. all over soldiers who died, more people will die, wheres the sense in that?
the islam group wants their islamic soldiers remembered just like
how ours get remembered. the guy fronting it has said he's sad that it's come to making a stance for wootton bassett but that is what he has to do to get noticed around here.
Its only in wb to ensure theres a riot/fight.
If it goes ahead i will be far away in Plymouth or Brum.
Bris-Rob
04-01-10, 06:04 PM
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?filter=pp#/group.php?gid=238822296011&ref=search&sid=628465971.2280688150..1
Can see it being fruity.....
Feel sorry for the police, there stuck between a rock and a hard place. Cant see it happing not in Wotten Bassett surly the government will see sense?
yorkie_chris
04-01-10, 06:07 PM
the islam group wants their islamic soldiers
They aren't soldiers, they are savages.
They aren't soldiers, they are savages.
They're not savages, they're a well organised, effective, financially supported and totally committed fighting force, fighting in their own back yard against what they see as foreign invaders and non believers, whatever our view of the war that how they see it I think.
Red Herring
04-01-10, 06:17 PM
Right, I totally agree with your point about allowing them to have their say but the way I view this is that it is a deliberate attempt to incite a row.
If they had chosen any other town/village n the UK I would care not a jot. I think however, they are purposefully asking for trouble and I think that they are more than likely to get it.
Yes, they should be allowed to march. In Wooton Bassett? No.
It takes two to have a fight. All they are trying to do is provoke a reaction that will then give them further reason to try and justify what they do.
If we seriously want to defeat them then nobody turn up to oppose them, nobody react to anything they say, and nobody appear to give to hoots for what they want. Sticks and stones and all that. The police will make sure they don't damage anything/anybody, and if they do it will have been an unprovoked incident that will only lose them support. By going there to oppose them you give them a target, and you can bet they will do enough to provoke some twit into attacking them and then all hell will break loose. Just stay away and ignore them.
It takes two to have a fight. All they are trying to do is provoke a reaction that will then give them further reason to try and justify what they do.
If we seriously want to defeat them then nobody turn up to oppose them, nobody react to anything they say, and nobody appear to give to hoots for what they want. Sticks and stones and all that. The police will make sure they don't damage anything/anybody, and if they do it will have been an unprovoked incident that will only lose them support. By going there to oppose them you give them a target, and you can bet they will do enough to provoke some twit into attacking them and then all hell will break loose. Just stay away and ignore them.
That would probably pi$$ the protestors/antagonists off the most. Let them walk through the town, with no media reporting it, and no opposition lining the street.
Milky Bar Kid
04-01-10, 06:23 PM
It takes two to have a fight. All they are trying to do is provoke a reaction that will then give them further reason to try and justify what they do.
If we seriously want to defeat them then nobody turn up to oppose them, nobody react to anything they say, and nobody appear to give to hoots for what they want. Sticks and stones and all that. The police will make sure they don't damage anything/anybody, and if they do it will have been an unprovoked incident that will only lose them support. By going there to oppose them you give them a target, and you can bet they will do enough to provoke some twit into attacking them and then all hell will break loose. Just stay away and ignore them.
yeah and I get that, but that is not realistically going to happen is it??
I was dreading opening this thread and finding a load of ill-informed bigotted drivel (as I have seen on one or two other forums)
However, the org has once again shown me a high level of informed and rational debate about a very emotional subject. Many good points raised and intelligently discussed.
So far, for me, Red Herring has hit the nail on the head, coupled with MBK's comment about does the march really have to be there.
Our freedoms are to be valued and understood, and taken very good care of ... IMO of course
Red Herring
04-01-10, 06:41 PM
yeah and I get that, but that is not realistically going to happen is it??
No, and regrettably the reason is that there are some equally ignorant, racist bigots on the opposing side whose only mission in life is to start trouble and this is exactly the excuse they will be looking for. I must have policed hundreds of protests over the years and whilst doing so have spoken with some of the most intelligent, reasonable and committed people I've ever met, their views may not have been the same as mine but they were passionate about their cause and I respect them for that. I have also at the same events met the rent a mob crowd, who's only purpose in life is to protest against anything and anybody. In fact I'm on first name terms with several of them having nicked them at anything from the Seamens dispute to Animal Rights and Save the Planet. These are the people who will cause the problems at this march, not the organizers.
They're not savages, they're a well organised, effective, financially supported and totally committed fighting force, fighting in their own back yard against what they see as foreign invaders and non believers, whatever our view of the war that how they see it I think.
I can see exactly where you're coming from. If Britain were to be invaded by say Australia (an example plucked from thin air) because their government wanted to see Gordon Brown deposed I would not be happy. It just so happens that I despise Gordon Brown and everything he stands for, but this is my homeland and I will be the first to line up and abuse, firebomb and make attempts to kill anyone who invades it.
The Afghanis fighting against the British troops are in the same position, they don't want an invasion force running their country, they want an Afghani government and they'll settle for a pretty crap one just to get the foreigners out. I can understand them fighting the British on Afghani soil, but when they bring their fight to Britain the mood changes.
Specialone
04-01-10, 06:54 PM
Lets not beat around the bush here, its got nothing to do with their comrades being killed in afghan, they want a fight and this is the best way they know to get one.
They are not all well organised soldiers or whatever we call them, they are dillusional, brainwashed robots who wont accept that their own people kill more muslims than the west ever could.
Sorry if some of this has already been said, didnt read all.
shifter
04-01-10, 06:54 PM
I think this can be sorted without too much trouble, you just need £25,000
http://www.milweb.net/webverts/48833/
Red Herring
04-01-10, 06:57 PM
I think this can be sorted without too much trouble, you just need £25,000
http://www.milweb.net/webverts/48833/
It's priced at £21,500. You trying to fleece us?
barwel1992
04-01-10, 07:01 PM
lets just hope that weapons don't get brought in to this if it does kick off
davepreston
04-01-10, 07:01 PM
it will be interesting to see if plod keep themselves in check on this one, cos lets be honest the odd one has been know to act up a bit, and before everyone starts this isnt police bashing just a simple fact that we are all aware of with past and present history proving the fact
yorkie_chris
04-01-10, 07:01 PM
They're not savages, they're a well organised, effective, financially supported and totally committed fighting force, fighting in their own back yard against what they see as foreign invaders and non believers, whatever our view of the war that how they see it I think.
Blowing up civilians makes them savages no matter how much funding they've got.
shifter
04-01-10, 07:16 PM
It's priced at £21,500. You trying to fleece us?
You've got hire the A TEAM to drive it!
I can see exactly where you're coming from. If Britain were to be invaded by say Australia (an example plucked from thin air) because their government wanted to see Gordon Brown deposed I would not be happy. It just so happens that I despise Gordon Brown and everything he stands for, but this is my homeland and I will be the first to line up and abuse, firebomb and make attempts to kill anyone who invades it.
The Afghanis fighting against the British troops are in the same position, they don't want an invasion force running their country, they want an Afghani government and they'll settle for a pretty crap one just to get the foreigners out. I can understand them fighting the British on Afghani soil, but when they bring their fight to Britain the mood changes.
Im not excusing em mate, they're doing what they see fit to defend their homeland, its when they bring the war to my homeland I have a problem
Red Herring
04-01-10, 07:21 PM
You've got hire the A TEAM to drive it!
I don't think so, there seems to be plenty of volunteers on here!
I don't think so, there seems to be plenty of volunteers on here!
Not me.
I think the Muslims have every right to march and protest, but I think the objecters and every single local should boycott the area so their protest is hollow. I'm an objecter, therefore I will not be in that area on that day.
Red Herring
04-01-10, 08:48 PM
I totally agree with you Lozzo, if people were really committed to supporting what the soldiers are fighting and dying for that's exactly what they should do. We all want peace, lets do our bit to try and achieve it, not inflame a cause further. Unfortunately as I said above, not everybody has the same agenda.
yorkie_chris
04-01-10, 09:50 PM
90% of people will not see it that way and think going there to oppose these protests as the best idea. Some others will just want a bit of mither.
beabert
04-01-10, 11:58 PM
This somes it up well.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1240634/As-British-Muslim-Im-appalled-callous-attempt-insult-brave-troops.html
grh1904
05-01-10, 11:42 AM
However - I'd call on every individual from the Wootton Basset area, and anyone thinking of attending in protest to the march to stay away from Wootton Basset on the day and leave the area completely people-free. I'd also call on the UK's media to boycott the event and give it no publicity whatsoever.
Lozzo, while I agree with your comments on this post & think the bit I've highlighted above is the best way for the media to deal with it, especially the British (whether it be the Sun/Mirror, BBC or Sky News etc), who always give support to our boys & girls, unfortunately I just don't see it happen.
It's far too much a nice juicy carrot on the end of a stick for a journalist to avoid.
The still pictures alone (on the front pages) would sell and extra couple of HUNDRED thousand papers the following day. Radio stations advertising a phone-in etc would get "X" number of extra listeners.
Call my synical, but the media is a business at the end of the day & we are still in a recession etc.
But, back to your post - good effort, well presented & I agree with your sentiments.
A riot no, we're not in France. People moaning about it, nothing being done, that sounds a bit more like the UK
i 2nd that :reaper:
I say let them go ahead and march peacefully then nuke it from on high.
GIVE ME THE RED BUTTON:reaper:
sorry iv not said to much, but i think what said on all the posts above,& the way the country is RUN, says alot on how we in this country is feeling. :(
Nick_69
05-01-10, 12:42 PM
I do believe that everyone has right to freedom on speech, but does this group forget that the reason we attacked afghan in the first place was because of the appalling act they did by bringing the towers and killing 1000's of innocent lives.
Spiderman
05-01-10, 03:37 PM
Some nice xenophobic attitudes expressed in this thread :roll:
So the "democracy" that this country and others are busy bombing other countries into adopting, this so called democracy that has freedom of speech and the right to protest as some of its core values all of a sudden doesnt apply simply cos these particular protesters are saying something you dont agree with, is that the issue here?
Cos a hero of mine had been saying the same thing no for many years and i dont see anyone telling him to "go back to where he came from" partly cos he's british, but i do see him being given awards for his work.
I;m talking about a certain Brian Hawe here in case you dont know. The Govt tried to ban his protests and shut him up and move him on but they failed. Cos what he says is right.
And as for this kind of comment..and not picking on you here Gav, just the type of comment "...to say its to remember the civilians is just a front" and is this better or worse than Blair's comments about getting rid of Saddam was the objective and WMD was a good front do use, if that had failed to spook the sheep then he would have found another justification.
Many innocent people (not just muslims, PEOPLE, HUMAN BEINGS WITH FAMILIES AND FRIENDS AND LIVES) have died in these conflicts that have been brought about by lies.
Yes its a shame that a hardcore of very radical muslims are the ones who organise these type of events as they want to hijack them to forward their own twisted version of their faith and i for one am not a fan of them at all. But make make some of the comments that i have read here, well jeez i could go out and buy The Sun or The Star and get the same brain-dead drivel from that :roll:
Spiderman
05-01-10, 03:41 PM
I do believe that everyone has right to freedom on speech, but does this group forget that the reason we attacked afghan in the first place was because of the appalling act they did by bringing the towers and killing 1000's of innocent lives.
Oh jeezuz h christ! You still believe this rubbish? Its been proven time and time again that Afghanistan was in no way responsible for the attacks in america. Some even say it was an inside job but lets not get onto that cos we'll be here forever.
But the only connection between afgahn and 9/11 was that some of the alleged hijackers may have attended training camps there. Thats it, only that. Most of the accused were saudis and i dont see us attacking saudi but i do see the serious fraud squad being told to shut up and go away fro daring to ask questions about some very fishy arms deals between this country and theirs.
Seriously, o read some FACTS and dont just regurgitate the propaganda they sold you to justify the "wars".
davepreston
05-01-10, 03:45 PM
in that case spidy just for you
i say england for the english send everyone else back to where ever they came from, people who stay must prove 3 generations of english in there direct family
now where do i catch the boat lol
Some nice xenophobic attitudes expressed in this thread :roll:
I really do hope you hadn't got me in mind when you posted this.
why should it be prevented, i'm glad to say that we now live in a multi cultural society with 'free speach'. although i sometimes think that the goverment want to abolish this as well.
Unless you are a white English person, then your "free speach" is called being racist.
Yeah I seem to remember tony blair saying something like 'Ill fight for anyones right to free speech whether I agree with them or not'' and then he had Brian Hawe arrested for a peaceful protest, politics is a dirty old buisness isnt it ?
this might explain more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpP7b2lUxVE
Unless you are a white English person, then your "free speach" is called being racist.
Rubbish, it's simply a matter of having a decent enough command of the English language and getting your message across without any double meanings.
If you can't formulate a proper sentence that everyone interprets in the same way, then don't make public statements... unless of course, your message is overtly racist or xenophobic, in which case you deserve all you get in return.
davepreston
05-01-10, 04:03 PM
The moment this march is banned, we become hypocrites. The Taliban do not allow free speech, so we become just like them in that respect. How little we do our soldiers justice when we do that. If anything degrades what these soldiers have died for it is us becoming what they were fighting against.
i take it you've never been i northern ireland on the 12th ,banning march's to ease tentions is a common occurance, and trust me it has no bearing on what soldiers have made the ultimate sacrifice for
Spiderman
05-01-10, 04:36 PM
I really do hope you hadn't got me in mind when you posted this.
I've purposely chose not to quote specific people mate as i dont want to stir up more bad feeling than there already is on this thread. But no, yours were as always well worded and thought out posts.
If anything degrades what these soldiers have died for it is us becoming what they were fighting against.
Thanks for the support Lyn, but i wonder just what most of the troops think they actually are fighting for out there?
i take it you've never been i northern ireland on the 12th ,banning march's to ease tentions is a common occurance, and trust me it has no bearing on what soldiers have made the ultimate sacrifice for
See. They are out their doing as they are told, not for anything they firmly believe in as far as i can see.
Thanks for the support Lyn, but i wonder just what most of the troops think they actually are fighting for out there?
i spoke to one guy "troop fighting out there" like we get told to protect our england?? it would be nice 4 them to protect england here!!!!
Spiderman
05-01-10, 04:53 PM
Yeh if a country needs protecting then i'm all for it. But even in a mass hysteria environment like the forces, surely they mostly all realise by now they are out their fighting for the politicians chess game, and not much else.
davepreston
05-01-10, 04:56 PM
why fight , the boy to the left and the boy to the right after that its above my pay grade
Spiderman
05-01-10, 04:59 PM
why fight , the boy to the left and the boy to the right after that its above my pay grade
Fair points mate.
I'd like to hear from those who been out to these 2 countries tbh, what is the feeling about "why". Or is it simply "thats for the politicians. Were here now and we do what they tell us to" kind of mentality.
Yeh if a country needs protecting then i'm all for it. But even in a mass hysteria environment like the forces, surely they mostly all realise by now they are out their fighting for the politicians chess game, and not much else.
2ND THAT
yes ur right there....Through out the years in all wars its always been a game of chess,:reaper::reaper:
Spiderman
05-01-10, 05:04 PM
Ive said it before but let me say it again.... the ONLY time politicians should be allowed to agree to a war is when their own children are the FIRST to go out onto front-line operations.
If they really believe its the only option they wont mind sending their kids to fight for their beliefs.
davepreston
05-01-10, 05:08 PM
Fair points mate.
I'd like to hear from those who been out to these 2 countries tbh, what is the feeling about "why". Or is it simply "thats for the politicians. Were here now and we do what they tell us to" kind of mentality.
:smt039 hello
Spiderman
05-01-10, 05:18 PM
hello back you nutter! I meant i wanna hear from others too, you said your bit about the fellas to the right and left of you and you are someone who i have a great deal of respect for, you know that.
I just wanna know the general consensus...tho i may now be derailing this thread a fair bit :oops:
Back on topic...did this protest even take place in the end? Cant find anything about it in the news.
I don't think any protest or march should be banned. People should be able to express their opinions, and just let everyone else make their minds up.
from what i got told it got canceled ON Sky news
I didn't think they had a date set yet...!?!
I understand what you are all saying about the democratic right to free speech etc, but in this case Islam4UK are purely doing the march through Wootton Bassett for a reaction, if not for provocation. I don't agree with the 'conflict' in Afghanistan or Iraq for that matter, but at the same time I utterly don't agree with them marching through that town - feel free to walk through another town. There is a right to free speech, then there is being stright-up disrespectful. Plus, listening to the utter b0ll0cks which a representative of Islam4UK was spouting off on Sky News yesterday, I'd quite happily watch the protagonists burn. I remember one little snippet of Abu Yaha (spelling?) explaining that the innocents which get blown up by muslim suicide bombers basically deserve it because they are not fighting the coalition troops.
Little article someone sent me about the leader of Islam4UK. I especially like the last paragraph.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23661857-i-want-to-see-flag-of-allah-flying-over-downing-st.do
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