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husky03
13-01-10, 10:01 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242682/Family-shut-dream-home-gang-gipsies-moved-Christmas.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
This family need a charles bronson type helper-door put in , gypos dragged out and slung on the street-scrub that slung on the first ferry back over the channel.Mind you it'll no be long before the hippies are on moaning about the gypos rights.
If it was my family in their position i don't know how i'd be able to hold back-all credit to them for showing restraint, but sometimes you need to put the boot in.
Ive never understood how people who have effectively stolen your house can get away with it, yet if you went and stole a choclate bar the police would arrest you :confused:
dizzyblonde
13-01-10, 10:12 AM
Thats awful, truely horrifying. If they manage to get them out the gits will make sure its unliveable before they leave, and that poor family who own it will be left with yet another bill to sort it out.
I'd go in there with a cricket bat personally. How the hell they managed to get in without anyone noticing is anyones guess, they must have great neighbours turning a blind eye to that. The kids must be sobbing, knowing others are playing with their toys in their rooms and their garden,
husky03
13-01-10, 10:21 AM
I don't get the squatters having rights-if you buy a car and its shown to have out standing fianance it goes back to the fianance company because their the rightfull owners but with a case like this that doesn't matter?-so unbelievable.
454697819
13-01-10, 10:25 AM
I have a body amour and a "vengeance" feeling about this.. who's in?
Just what are 'Squatter's Rights'?
Why should someone have the Right to take over someone else's property?
An English Law that has no part in 'Natural' justice.
Sorry, but I'm all for eviction, forcibly, if necessary. Turn up at 2:45pm, as per the eviction notice and put them out.
speedplay
13-01-10, 10:53 AM
This country is really starting to get me down.
It doesnt matter how hard you work, theres always someone ready to kick you down again.
I wonder if the insurance on that house would cover arson...
If it were my house, I would smash my front door in at 3am and run around my house screaming and shouting with fire sticks, preferably with a group of friends.
It's my house, I can do what I want to it.
If it were my house, I would smash my front door in at 3am and run around my house screaming and shouting with fire sticks, preferably with a group of friends.
It's my house, I can do what I want to it.
I would like to think that I'd do that too......however experience has shown that I'll be the one in the background hiding under coats........
Its crazy, essentially this is 'brake in and entry' then criminal damage when they took the original locks off and put new ones on?
I would get some family together and smash my own door down, then ring the police and say someone has broken into my house and wont leave.
Job done.
CheGuevara
13-01-10, 11:11 AM
A few cans of bear spray through the windows in the middle of the night ought to clear them out.
ArtyLady
13-01-10, 11:27 AM
Extremely disturbing - and another case of the Police immediately standing up for the scum and appearing to criminalise the innocent (like the Mylene Klass intruder case)
They tell people not to take the law into their own hands - I think good honest law abiding people will begin to at some point say enough is enough :mad:
Before anyone is burnt or hung.....
The article says that the Romanians had a tenancy agreement. This may or may not be true, but there is a possiblility that the Romanians have been paying rent to someone purporting to be the landlord. In that case they have been duped. Obviously, this could be complete bollix and a fabrication on their part.
On the other hand it could be true. Suppose they'd paid someone to bring them to this country (whether legally or otherwise) and provide them with accommodation? In this case shouldn't it be the person duping them that should be burnt or hung?
All I'm saying is that there might be more to this that first meets the eye. The Daily Mail isn't the most balanced of papers at time.
Either way, it is not right that the owners should have their house stolen and yes, the squatters' law is wrong.
wyrdness
13-01-10, 12:29 PM
All I'm saying is that there might be more to this that first meets the eye. The Daily Mail isn't the most balanced of papers at time.
Agreed. The Daily Fail only exists to wind up small minded people with stories like this. I expect that a large part of this story is fabricated or distorted by the Daily Heil. I'd be interested in knowing what the real facts are.
CheGuevara
13-01-10, 12:44 PM
I don't understand why the squatter's law exists (at least in modern society)? What benefit does it provide to law-abiding members of society?
Even if the tenants believe they're renting it legitimately, if I buy a car, motorcycle or some other item that I believe to be legit, and it turns out it's stolen, the police would have it off of me immediately. Like buying a vehicle, the onus ought to be on the tenant to ensure it's a legitimate deal-tough luck if you've failed to do that and are evicted as a result.
Were it my house then I would be very upset. However, just to make a point clear. They had not lived in the property since the middle of 2007. The builders had vacated it before Christmas meaning that no one was living there and there were no possessions of theirs present at the time. IIRC Squatter's rights apply only to vacant, uninhabited properties, not a house used everyday if you happen to be out at the shops.
They seem to think they have a tenancy agreement, and a court eviction notice was obtained and served quite rapidly. Lets not forget there are kids involved, whatever the adults have done some small amount of time must be given to find alternative accommodation. Throwing people out onto the street with zero notice, into the snow, isn't terribly humane, however illegal their tenancy papers.
Good luck getting them moved on though, and if the police are unprepared to enforce the eviction sharpish I'd be writing to the commissioner's office, and it wouldn't be a nice letter either.
Jambo
Even if the tenants believe they're renting it legitimately, if I buy a car, motorcycle or some other item that I believe to be legit, and it turns out it's stolen, the police would have it off of me immediately. Like buying a vehicle, the onus ought to be on the tenant to ensure it's a legitimate deal-tough luck if you've failed to do that and are evicted as a result.
I don't have a problem with any of that at all, and my sympathies are with the genuine owners.
However, there were a few inflammatory posts earlier, e.g. this one (sorry Dan, I've chosen yours, no offence intended)....
If it were my house, I would smash my front door in at 3am and run around my house screaming and shouting with fire sticks, preferably with a group of friends.
...which suggested taking the law into one's own hands and scaring the bejesus out of the Romanians when they might also be innocent victims.
There is no such thing as squatter's rights unless they're there for more than 12 years. Whether the title is registered or unregistered makes a big difference.
Here they clearly have no right to occupy and so the court granted a possession order. So what's the problem? Whether they are quatters or not they are 'residential occupiers' and that means that you need a Court order. Just imagine if you could go and forcibly evict. Forcible eviction without a Court order is a serious offence. Rightly so.
Here they clearly have no right to occupy and so the court granted a possession order. So what's the problem?
I offer in evidence, M'Lud, the Daily Mail..... ;-)
Possession Orders are not exactly rare. Why hightlight this case? Oops, I forgot.... there's foreigners involved.
metalangel
13-01-10, 01:32 PM
Throwing people out onto the street with zero notice, into the snow, isn't terribly humane
Well b*gger me, isn't that pretty much what's happening to the British family?
slark01
13-01-10, 01:47 PM
The story is not full and complete as there is alot that we do not know. However the fact that squatters are allowed to stay for even a millisecond bugs the **** out of me. As it has already been pointed out, this story would not have been reported if it was only an english family that were doing the squatting.
IMO squatters should be removed immediately. If they want a home then let them do what everyone else has to do...go on a waiting list!
Ste.
Just imagine if you could go and forcibly evict. Forcible eviction without a Court order is a serious offence. Rightly so.
I don't know the in's and out's of the law, but I can't see how forcing entry to your own property and shooing the squatters out is forcible eviction.
I just don't get how this is possible (if the story is as meet's the eye, I agree there's probably more to it, more ****e 'sensationalist journalism' as we've come to expect from newspapers / news sites).
There is no such thing as squatter's rights unless they're there for more than 12 years. Whether the title is registered or unregistered makes a big difference.
Here they clearly have no right to occupy and so the court granted a possession order. So what's the problem? Whether they are quatters or not they are 'residential occupiers' and that means that you need a Court order. Just imagine if you could go and forcibly evict. Forcible eviction without a Court order is a serious offence. Rightly so.
Thank you for the clarification Ed, good to know.
Well b*gger me, isn't that pretty much what's happening to the British family?
Not even a little bit. They were staying in rented accommodation until March anyway. I would be very suprised if the family occupying their house aren't evicted with a court order in very short order.
Jambo
davepreston
13-01-10, 02:13 PM
out of couriousity would it be ilegal for me to enter my own home (which squaters have taken over) at anytime and fumagate the house for bugs, abit id use cs gas but surely id just be a sensible home owner taking care of my property
metalangel
13-01-10, 02:14 PM
Not even a little bit. They were staying in rented accommodation until March anyway. I would be very suprised if the family occupying their house aren't evicted with a court order in very short order.
Despite them saying they don't have much cash left and so can't just wait in in their rented accomodation for these scumbags to be ejected?
Because yes, it's entirely fair on them to have to keep spending money they shouldn't have to because they can't get into their own home.
Can the home-owners claim their court costs etc back from someone i.e. the alleged squatters?
scotland may be crap, but this would not happen. there is no such law as squatters rights up here. if someone tried to move into your home the police would have them out that same week by force if necessary, its classed as steeling.
i feel sorry for the family involved.
Because yes, it's entirely fair on them to have to keep spending money they shouldn't have to because they can't get into their own home.
Didn't the story say that they didn't plan to move back in until March anyway:
He and his wife are also worried that a drawn-out battle would exhaust their savings.
Possession Order from today. I see no drawn out battle.
They had planned to move back into the house in March.
They had planned to be spending the money on alternative accommodation anyway.
`In the meantime we face the prospect of becoming homeless ourselves, since we had only budgeted to pay both rent and our mortgage until mid March.'
They won't be homesless in March. See above.
Poor show Daily Mail. Zenophobic and incendiary reporting at its worst. There isn't actually much of a story here. It wouldn't have been too difficult to find a similar story where there is a genuine risk of impending homelessness. Trouble is, there might not be foreigners involved :rolleyes:
Can the home-owners claim their court costs etc back from someone i.e. the alleged squatters?
Or the alleged landlord who's taking their rent?
Poor show Daily Mail. Zenophobic and incendiary reporting at its worst. There isn't actually much of a story here. It wouldn't have been too difficult to find a similar story where there is a genuine risk of impending homelessness. Trouble is, there might not be foreigners involved :rolleyes:
you gotta love the daily mail :rolleyes:
wyrdness
13-01-10, 03:07 PM
Poor show Daily Mail. Zenophobic and incendiary reporting at its worst. There isn't actually much of a story here. It wouldn't have been too difficult to find a similar story where there is a genuine risk of impending homelessness. Trouble is, there might not be foreigners involved :rolleyes:
I doubt that the journalist who wrote this story actually believes it. They aren't that stupid. If the same journalist got a job with, say, the Guardian, then they'd write with a completely different slant, aimed at the readership of that paper.
The readership of the Mail likes to get themselves all worked up about stories like this (as you can see by this thread), so the Mail provides them. They deliberately word and slant the stories to wind up their readership, who don't realise how they are being manipulated.
metalangel
13-01-10, 03:10 PM
Tune in tomorrow to find out if Polish Muslin Asylum Seeker Paedophiles With Hooks For Hands will be moving in next to YOU and claiming benefits.
yorkie_chris
13-01-10, 03:10 PM
Daily Mail. Zenophobic and incendiary
Yes
Owenski
13-01-10, 03:45 PM
There is no such thing as squatter's rights unless they're there for more than 12 years. Whether the title is registered or unregistered makes a big difference.
Here they clearly have no right to occupy and so the court granted a possession order. So what's the problem? Whether they are quatters or not they are 'residential occupiers' and that means that you need a Court order. Just imagine if you could go and forcibly evict. Forcible eviction without a Court order is a serious offence. Rightly so.
That was the process needed to get some people out of my mums house. They were initially renting tennants they paid 2months up front then paid for the first 2 months they lived there. on the 3rd month no money, on the 4th no money (it was a 12month lease, which was void after 28days of a failed payment). They were asked to leave and refused we asked quite a few times: in writing, through the letting agency and in person. Nothing worked and they refused to move out! despite me having a set of keys I was informed by the police that entering the property without permission of the tennants would be seen as unlawful. I have power of atourney for my mother as she lives in the canaries, but despite this I had no power (nor would my mother have had if she'd lived locally) to enter the house.
It was weeks after that they were finally issued with a court order to vacate and I got a phone call at 11ish that night from a friend who lived on the same street saying the tennants were moving out, many vans had turned up with helping them move.
Fearing that we'd go the next day to find we had no carpets or copper pipes some friends and I sat in a parked car 'monitoring' them move stuff out. Amusingly 20mins after we arrived I got a call from the tennant to let me know they'd removed all thier belongings and could I come round to collect the keys. So I stepped out of the car and walked over, seeing me do that he looked very suprised to say the least.
Obviously because of this I feel for these home owners, it will taint the dream before its even begun. Poor buggers!
Shall I let you all into a secret.
When I worked for a small bank in Plymouth (this is 1994 - 1996), I used to head up a team dealing with borrower litigation. In other words it was my job to evict people who didn't pay the mortgage. I evicted quite a few. No I'm not proud of it.
I evicted one bloke from a flat in west London. I honestly didn't know that he had 'sub-let' it to a pile of lodgers, all of whom 'just happened' to be out when the bailiff arrived. The borrower had plainly told them all to bugger off. The locksmith called me to say that there were yale locks on all the rooms and did I want those changed. I said no, just the front door lock, and din't think anything more about it.
It was a bank holiday weekend.
When I got to work on Tuesday I had a fax from some lawyers in west London claiming that I had illegally evicted their clients, there were four of them. Two had friends they could stay with but the other two had slept rough on a bench on Paddington Station. They went as far as issuing proceedings against me, but I got them set aside - I can't remember how now, but it was a very uncomfortable few weeks.
Obviously because of this I feel for these home owners, it will taint the dream before its even begun. Poor buggers!
'Taint the dream'! Did you see the picture of the house! :lol:
I know it says it's the house of their dreams in the article, but if that's the case they should start eating some cheese!
I've seen the other end of this. My girlfriend was once staying in a house with some friends, they'd been dutifully paying rent to the landlord for around 6 months.
However, it turns out he was sub-letting from the home owner, and had stopped paying the mortgage company some months ago. The first they are aware of there being a problem is opening the door to find bailiffs who assure them they have right of entry (they didn't) and once they'd come in informed the house (all girls) that they will be moved out now. They had actually swept all their things out of the house before the issue was cleared up.
If I was letting a house and someone had stopped paying me rent I'd want them out, by next week. However sometimes the people you see in the house really aren't the ones at fault.
Jambo
Extremely disturbing - and another case of the Police immediately standing up for the scum and appearing to criminalise the innocent (like the Mylene Klass intruder case)
They tell people not to take the law into their own hands - I think good honest law abiding people will begin to at some point say enough is enough :mad:
Thats not quite true. According to the item she was not warned or told off about the knife.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8451369.stm
If I was letting a house and someone had stopped paying me rent I'd want them out, by next week. However sometimes the people you see in the house really aren't the ones at fault.
Assuming that the tenancy is kosher, there's a hugely important point here if you have a buy to let property (and I know that some people on here do).
You should serve your section 21 notice (a notice requiring possession) as soon as the tenancy agreement completes. It's perfectly lawful, but perhaps not what Parliament intended. The effect of this is that the 2 month period will run at the same time as the tenancy agreement. If you only serve it once a problem has arisen then you have a further 2 months agony, unless you can bring your claim within section 8.
Also - no point serving a notice with the wrong date - you must be very careful not to screw this up, I've acted for a few tenants where the landlord has got the date wrong, and has had to reserve the notice, so tenants had a further 2 months:D
Ed
ArtyLady
13-01-10, 05:54 PM
Thats not quite true. According to the item she was not warned or told off about the knife.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8451369.stm
Seems to be her word against theirs that they said it then - I can't imagine her being the sort of person to make it up?
- I can't imagine her being the sort of person to make it up?
So the police have lied?
Not that it really matters. What does matter is a shamefull way in which The BBC and other "news" services report.
yorkie_chris
13-01-10, 06:15 PM
So the police have lied?
Not that it really matters. What does matter is a shamefull way in which The BBC and other "news" services report.
Quite easy for them to say "no warnings were given", when actually they told her in no uncertain terms that she wasn't allowed to wave a knife about in her own kitchen.
Which is b*ll*cks. I've had a policeman tell me I wasn't allowed to defend myself before "'cos it would be assault". Not an especially intelligent one there, but you get my drift.
So no they probably aren't lying but they're certainly guilty of bending the truth occasionally when it comes to telling joe public their rights about self protection.
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:27 PM
As I understand the law they can evict them a court order, shouldn't take more than a few days.
The romanians scum can't be prosecuted though, I don't think.
Why are they scum if they're from Romania?
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:34 PM
Why are they scum if they're from Romania?
:smt062:rolleyes:
:smt062:rolleyes:
Suggest fisticuffs if you like, but I repeat...
why are they scum if they come from Romania?
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:40 PM
Suggest fisticuffs if you like, but I repeat...
why are they scum if they come from Romania?
That was the nearest icon for **** stirring I could see at a glance.
That's not what I said you know full well it isn't.
OK if you say so (although someone hitting someone in the face whilst wearing boxing gloves, is not an image that immediately springs to mind when think of **** stirring)
But I'm not trying to **** stir anyway.
Why put the term 'scum' in front of the identification of 'romanian' when you really don't know anything other than what the Daily Wail want you to know about them? They may be decent, in need, or even taken advantage of.
The house situation is rubbish, but the DM is the **** stirrer. Te house will be occupied by its rightful owners soon by the looks of things. And all within the law
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:46 PM
Have scotland always ruled trespassing as illegal or was it a recent change in the law?
speedplay
13-01-10, 06:48 PM
Why put the term 'scum' in front of the identification of 'romanian' when you really don't know anything other than what the Daily Wail want you to know about them? They may be decent, in need, or even taken advantage of.
I think from what Dave put, it was meant as general "scum".
Could have just as easily been "irish,scottish,welsh" scum etc.
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:50 PM
OK if you say so (although someone hitting someone in the face whilst wearing boxing gloves, is not an image that immediately springs to mind when think of **** stirring)
But I'm not trying to **** stir anyway.
Why put the term 'scum' in front of the identification of 'romanian' when you really don't know anything other than what the Daily Wail want you to know about them? They may be decent, in need, or even taken advantage of.
The house situation is rubbish, but the DM is the **** stirrer. Te house will be occupied by its rightful owners soon by the looks of things. And all within the law
I didn't want to spend more than 5 seconds responding to the comment tbh.
I put it the same as if they were Irish, they'd have been Irish scum, english; yep english scum ;) I really have no idea why people have such an issue with nationalities being used as part of a description.
I agree that the DM are ****stirrers but I find it hard to believe that the pleasant squatting fellows are oblivious to the fact they've kicked the rightful occupents onto the street.
hindle8907
13-01-10, 06:53 PM
well they are scum if they have moved into some one else's house lol and there from Romania so that makes them Romanian scum, if they was Chinese they would be Chinese scum as what they are doing is something that a scum bag would do ,...
Jesus !
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:53 PM
I think from what Dave put, it was meant as general "scum".
Could have just as easily been "irish,scottish,welsh" scum etc.
Indeed :)
And for the obligatory playground record my mother's english, my father (and majority of the family) are irish and I'm part romanian (albeit a bit distant, only go over for the odd wedding)
speedplay
13-01-10, 06:55 PM
and I'm part romanian (albeit a bit distant, only go over for the odd wedding)
I wont be telling you when I go on holiday then...scumbag..;)
Dave20046
13-01-10, 06:56 PM
I wont be telling you when I go on holiday then...scumbag..;)
:lol:
A quick browse of google and it looks like scotland introduced the law on trespassing in the mid 20th century, I don't see why england couldn't do the same if scotland have done it successfully.
hindle8907
13-01-10, 06:56 PM
I wont be telling you when I go on holiday then...scumbag..;)
he he he :smt041:smt041:smt041:smt041
husky03
13-01-10, 06:58 PM
I wont be telling you when I go on holiday then...scumbag..;)
:winner:
Before anyone is burnt or hung.....
Spoil Sport, I wanted fire sticks! :(
Spoil Sport, I wanted fire sticks! :(
Just saving your caring soul from burning or hanging the wrong person.....
.....you'll get your chance old chap ;-)
Specialone
13-01-10, 08:02 PM
I know the story had flaws and the mail had its slant, but fook the law, if someone was in a house of mine who i didnt want to be there, they wouldnt be, simple.
If someone breaks into my house and i feel like defending myself with whatever i have to hand, maybe a chainsaw which will take 5 attempts to start then i will, i will worry about about consequences after.
Try that **** in america, they will laugh at you right before blasting you in the head with a 12 gauge.
Try 'squatting' in somebodys house in america, see where it gets you ;)
Spiderman
13-01-10, 08:07 PM
Ah the joys of property, money and greed.
I know the story had flaws and the mail had its slant, but fook the law, if someone was in a house of mine who i didnt want to be there, they wouldnt be, simple.
And you wouldn't be there either.
You'd be in prison.
Specialone
13-01-10, 10:33 PM
And you wouldn't be there either.
You'd be in prison.
Ah well, price id pay i guess, principal is most important to me.
Anyway, they couldnt complain if they disappeared ;)
Ah well, price id pay i guess, principal is most important to me.
Anyway, they couldnt complain if they disappeared ;)
Prison - despite all you read in the Daily Mail - is not a nice place.
...and you'd be a lot poorer. This is one of the few cases where you can get exemplary damages in the county court - ie, designed to punish. No cash? Get it secured on the house, then get an order for sale. Simples:D
davepreston
13-01-10, 10:51 PM
Prison - despite all you read in the Daily Mail - is not a nice place.
...and you'd be a lot poorer. This is one of the few cases where you can get exemplary damages in the county court - ie, designed to punish. No cash? Get it secured on the house, then get an order for sale. Simples:D
ed i beg to disagree mate i had a cornary when i started work in one, talk about cushty
Specialone
13-01-10, 10:51 PM
Prison - despite all you read in the Daily Mail - is not a nice place.
...and you'd be a lot poorer. This is one of the few cases where you can get exemplary damages in the county court - ie, designed to punish. No cash? Get it secured on the house, then get an order for sale. Simples:D
Like i said Ed, risk id take, i wouldnt be able to live with myself if i let that go and someone got one over on me.
I know people who i could sub contract to anyway who do this stuff for a living albeit its an expensive option.
ArtyLady
13-01-10, 10:54 PM
How comes on EastEnders et al, when the landlord/lady wants someone out they just walk in and chuck em out - kids and all - with no notice whatsoever?! :confused: Is that just artistic licence - cos if it is it ain't half annoying! ;)
Erm... Break in to ones own property, as that surely is not a crime if you own it? The rest is then simply self defence?
Spiderman
13-01-10, 11:02 PM
How comes on EastEnders et al, when the landlord/lady wants someone out they just walk in and chuck em out - kids and all - with no notice whatsoever?! :confused: Is that just artistic licence - cos if it is it ain't half annoying! ;)
I really do hope you're joking? Please dont tell me you actually watch eastenders :shock:
ArtyLady
13-01-10, 11:07 PM
I really do hope you're joking? Please dont tell me you actually watch eastenders :shock:
I'm not ashamed to admit I used to watch it all the time :p - but not any more - got fed up with them all being thrown out/murdered/divorced on Christmas day, that and the continual repetition of the same story lines like a stuck record :rolleyes: :lol:
Spiderman
13-01-10, 11:09 PM
thank god for that! I used to watch it about 15yrs ago and all of a sudden felt the same way as you said.
ArtyLady
13-01-10, 11:16 PM
thank god for that! I used to watch it about 15yrs ago and all of a sudden felt the same way as you said.
:lol: What really got on my nerves is the way they all moved in with each other - no one lives anywhere for longer than a couple of months....just pack the suitcase and move in across the square! :rolleyes: :lol:
fizzwheel
14-01-10, 08:42 AM
in need, or even taken advantage of.
I suspect the above.
The family "Squatting" int that house according the last paragraph in that daily mail article, are claiming to have paid rent to live there and have also got a tenancy agreement...
Dave20046
14-01-10, 10:32 AM
I suspect the above.
The family "Squatting" int that house according the last paragraph in that daily mail article, are claiming to have paid rent to live there and have also got a tenancy agreement...
If that's true and they are indeed good people then I'm sure it'll all end well as soon as they see the paper and are suddenly aware that they've taken someone elses home; they'll promptly move elsewhere and help the police with their enquiries looking for the fraudulent 'landlord'.
Just strikes me as odd as the national paper knows there's a problem before the tennants did...
speedplay
14-01-10, 10:37 AM
If that's true and they are indeed good people then I'm sure it'll all end well as soon as they see the paper and are suddenly aware that they've taken someone elses home; they'll promptly move elsewhere and help the police with their enquiries looking for the fraudulent 'landlord'.
Just strikes me as odd as the national paper knows there's a problem before the tennants did...
:laughat:
Of course they will..:---)
Just strikes me as odd as the national paper knows there's a problem before the tennants did...
I had the same thought yesterday when I didn't read the story anywhere else online (google for "tottenham romanians" and you get a load of footy-related links to spurs!). So far as I could see see it wasn't even a bye-line in the Torygraph (I get it for the sports coverage. Really I do!).
I local rag might have picked up the story if there happened to be a reported in Court for the possession hearing, but a national daily wouldn't have sent a hack down there.
I'm thinking that they've gone to the Daily Mail. Call me cynical, but I reckon they might have been paid for the story.
Dave20046
14-01-10, 10:59 AM
It does say in the linked article that the first thing the chap did was ring the coppers, I can't see them not speaking to the inhabitants as a first port of call, in my mind if that has happened and they're still in there then I can't see them being poor defensless miss understood little souls.
.....if that has happened and they're still in there then I can't see them being poor defensless miss understood little souls.
Unless they genuinely believe that they are paying rent to genuine landlord and have been scammed.
Would you vacate a property for which rent had been paid just because a copper knocked on your door asking a few questions? Nah, you'd stay and make sure the facts were correct first, as would I.
Anything more in the Mail today?
fizzwheel
14-01-10, 11:15 AM
Unless they genuinely believe that they are paying rent to genuine landlord and have been scammed.
That was the impression I got from the comments they made at the bottom of that article. Seemed to genuinely believe they were entitled to be living their and had paid money to somebody to do so...
More in the Mail today. Just reading between the lines now...... ;-):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242998/The-Romanians-No-76-Well-pay-2-000-say-squatters-finally-evicted.html
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 11:26 AM
"Hows about you pay us £2000 and we'll make sure your kids don't accidentally catch fire" seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Then again I've no sympathy for squatters, it's just shoplifting writ large. And this is extortion. Especially gypsies, there's one turd floating in the gene pool that could do with a dose of disinfectant.
Funny actually, my Dads business had an infestation of pikeys on the car park once and the head scrote said to my Dad "pay us £600 and we'll go". They're scum who understand nothing but violence, since they ignored the legal "gerrof my land" papers served on them. Scum.
Dave20046
14-01-10, 11:27 AM
Unless they genuinely believe that they are paying rent to genuine landlord and have been scammed.
Would you vacate a property for which rent had been paid just because a copper knocked on your door asking a few questions? Nah, you'd stay and make sure the facts were correct first, as would I.
Anything more in the Mail today?
Depends entirely on what was said to them, if a copper came round and said "sorry but your in someone elses house here's the proof you've been duped, who would have thought that random bloke in mcdonalds who didn't want to do business anywhere else but mcdonalds was fradulent? Anyway find somewhere before you're evicted."
Then the only real option is to find somewhere else.
Was just reading through the new article in the mail, thinking; definitely doesn't add up with this 'black man in mcdonald's', why on earth would they delete their landlord's number?!
then saw the concluding paragraph
But what of the elusive Mr Winset and his tenancy agreement?
A Romanian official working in the Court Service told me: 'You can guarantee he doesn't exist. These so-called agreements are becoming quite common - squatters can flash them at anyone who asks and claim they have a legal contract.'
Last night the family turned down a council offer to have their 'housing needs' assessed - and the women left carrying blankets and possessions. Luminita made a one-finger gesture to photographers and told our interpreter they were 'going to stay with relatives'.
The Mosedales, both 45, said they were 'greatly relieved' and bore the families no ill feeling. But Mrs Mosedale added: 'We have been quite shocked by it all, and by how squatting laws make it so difficult for house owners to do anything about it. I just hope someone takes notice of what has happened and the law changes in future.'
Spiderman
14-01-10, 12:18 PM
i was all in favour of giving the romanians the benefit of the doubt on this one abot having been duped into paying for what they thought was a legit rental.
The fact they moved couple of hundred yards down the road so quickly, into a place with an estate agents board outside tho makes me worried that they are simply "professional" squatters who know the loopholes and understand they can stay pretty much anywhere rent and bills free until papers are served and then move on and do it somewhere else. Again and again and again.
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 12:21 PM
The word "gypsy" in the article strongly suggests that
"Hows about you pay us £2000 and we'll make sure your kids don't accidentally catch fire" seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Then again I've no sympathy for squatters, it's just shoplifting writ large. And this is extortion. Especially gypsies, there's one turd floating in the gene pool that could do with a dose of disinfectant.
Funny actually, my Dads business had an infestation of pikeys on the car park once and the head scrote said to my Dad "pay us £600 and we'll go". They're scum who understand nothing but violence, since they ignored the legal "gerrof my land" papers served on them. Scum.
Everytime they break into the site where they are not allowed to stay, theres a spree of thefts from houses and business's. Dad's shop was nearly broken into. Everytime they stay at the site, extra locks and everything.
I can't disagree YC, scum.
The word "gypsy" in the article strongly suggests that
Same word used round here for the Irish "travelling" community, many of who haven't moved off their Council-provided site in years (other than to nick metal from the local steelworks so conveniently localed adjacent to their site).
They are not gypsies and neither are these people.
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 12:33 PM
Exactly, we had an infestation on a covered over landfill for a couple of weeks. 3 houses broken into on our road (a mile away from the site of the infection).
Should be legal to mortar the buggers if they set up within 81mm range of your house...
davepreston
14-01-10, 12:41 PM
this is why your not allowed near things that go bang, unless you wish to blow up your own house .81mm lmao
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 12:49 PM
this is why your not allowed near things that go bang, unless you wish to blow up your own house .81mm lmao
You know what I meant :smt116
TBH at the time I had a combustion cannon that would probably have had them in range, I was just a bit short of suitably bangy projectiles...
speedplay
14-01-10, 12:52 PM
You know what I meant :smt116
TBH at the time I had a combustion cannon that would probably have had them in range, I was just a bit short of suitably bangy projectiles...
Just pack it full of bags of dog sh*t :)
CheGuevara
14-01-10, 01:59 PM
As my father-in-law would say: Bloody immigrants! Of course I am one myself (an immigrant, but neither Romanian nor a gipsy), but still... :)
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 02:05 PM
Just pack it full of bags of dog sh*t :)
Have you smelt a pikey campsite recently? Like they'd care!
Start lobbing haze airwick pine fresh at them, really wind em up...
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