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Von Teese
14-01-10, 05:12 PM
When police officers are diciplined for having a bit of banter and fun with the public...I mean Really!!! Really!!!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100114/tuk-police-rapped-for-riot-shield-sledge-dba1618.html
beabert
14-01-10, 05:15 PM
I agree
I don't see them bantering with the public ...
Is it me, or were they not meant to be working ??
Sounds great .... but how do you think the victims of crime would feel about this ...
Anyway .... doesn't sound like they were disiplined ........... just told it was a bad idea .... which it was !!!
Hasn't Superintendent Andrew Murray got better things to superintend? Like getting his head out of his ****?
Yes, just a bit of fun. But they were on duty, and made to look very unprofessional. What did they expect?!
There was a story a few years ago of the fireman, sorry, firefighter who let his mates video him while he took a ride inside a massive tumble dryer. There's not a lot he would be able to say for himself getting injured like that, and the same goes for sliding down a hill on a riot shield :-s
beabert
14-01-10, 05:27 PM
Sounds great .... but how do you think the victims of crime would feel about this ...
A call would come in for a random location, so unless they are already on call i cant see this being an issue?
husky03
14-01-10, 05:29 PM
I don't see them bantering with the public ...
Is it me, or were they not meant to be working ??
Sounds great .... but how do you think the victims of crime would feel about this ...
Dicipline away I say .....sorry !!!
kin hell - you got a sense of humour-na didn't think so-
Magnums got it spot on .... its unprofessional .... and makes the force look unproductive ....
As a generalisation, there is too much waste in the Police force as it is ... too much banter ... and a lack of urgency towards anything (friends of mine in the force tell me)
You only have to watch Traffic cops to see wasted time .... and unprofessional banter with criminals .... if I behaved like that in my industry I wouldn't have a job .... I have to be professional for every second I'm at work ....
obviously some others don't have that at work..... but I feel the Police (and any public service) should be at all times ...
husky03
14-01-10, 05:35 PM
Think if anything it shows joe public that the cops are human-how do you suggest a cop speaks to criminals that they come into contact with everyday?
Spiderman
14-01-10, 05:36 PM
its a tough one but if any of us did that during our working day wouldnt our bosses tell us off too?
I thought the super was gonna be a hit harder than that with them tbh and i have a feeling he said it to them with a twinkle in his eye tbh, kinda like "i have to say this but good for you lads.....just dont be stupid enough to let someone film you again, ok?"
DarrenSV650S
14-01-10, 05:39 PM
When police officers are diciplined for having a bit of banter and fun with the public...I mean Really!!! Really!!!
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20100114/tuk-police-rapped-for-riot-shield-sledge-dba1618.html
really really?
I don't think my boss would be very happy if he found out he was paying me to go sledging either. What's the difference?
speedplay
14-01-10, 05:40 PM
As a ".Org plummer" VT, you know that if you leave yourself wide open such as these guys have then expect complaints.
Yes its a bit of fun for the coppers, but they were on duty.
The other side of things (speaking as a manager now) what would happen if one of them had been injured?
I'm sure thames valley police H+S would have a hard time producing a risk assesment and method statement for using a riot shield as a sledge and be able to justify it.
I know police hate it when idiots tell them "I pay your wages" but their wages do come from joe public the tax payer.
I know its just a bunch of guys having a laugh in the snow, but if you are in a job where you are fairly high profile (wearing a viz vest with "police" written on it doesnt help) then you need to be leading from example.
I can understand why people will complain about this.
*Edit*
It doesn't help when a lot of coppers don't exactly endear themselves to the public.
Again, its the few that let the majority down.
Speaking as a manager again now, If they worked for me, they would be looking for a new job.
I don't pay my staff to play on my time.
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 05:43 PM
Never mind waste of taxpayers money etc. How cool did that run down the hill look!
kin hell - you got a sense of humour-na didn't think so-
Forgive me for thinking that you get paid to work ... :rolleyes:
Work hard ... play hard ... thats how it works down here anyway .... :eek:
Like Speedplay .... as a Manager, maybe I see things differently ..
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 05:46 PM
Depends on the sort of work, when we had nothing to do at fabricators we would sit drinking tea. When I was working with my mate who recovers cars we would drink tea and play cards waiting for a call.
No calls to attend? What they supposed to do, sit in van looking officious?
Its the same as some of us sitting on the org when we are supposed to be working.
Jeeeeese we all need to lighten up!
Looked extremely fun, and it made the kids think more of the police in general, which is never a bad thing with some little scrotes.
maviczap
14-01-10, 05:49 PM
I just can't believe they were daft enough to post it on a public website!
Honestly
Bluepete
14-01-10, 05:49 PM
No comment!
Pete ;)
PS, bet that Super is up for a promotion now!
Spiderman
14-01-10, 05:50 PM
Its the same as some of us sitting on the org when we are supposed to be working.
Yeh but the rest of us are smart enough to know not to let someone film us while we skive of work, right?
beabert
14-01-10, 05:51 PM
Think if anything it shows joe public that the cops are human
Nods.
Depends on the sort of work, when we had nothing to do at fabricators we would sit drinking tea. When I was working with my mate who recovers cars we would drink tea and play cards waiting for a call.
No calls to attend? What they supposed to do, sit in van looking officious?
Mate .... there is rarely no work to do ..... in any business or organisation .... they don't run themselves .... there's only no work to do if you don't look for it, or care enough to find it ...
I'm not saying I'm perfect (sat here on the internet:)) .... but thats not a valid excuse IMO ....
maviczap
14-01-10, 05:51 PM
No comment!
Pete ;)
PS, bet that Super is up for a promotion now!
Is that because your 'brief' told you to say no comment throughout the interview Pete ;)
I may have to read the special caution in these circumstances :p
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 05:53 PM
Depends on the sort of work, when we had nothing to do at fabricators we would sit drinking tea. When I was working with my mate who recovers cars we would drink tea and play cards waiting for a call.
No calls to attend? What they supposed to do, sit in van looking officious?
Yeah, and dish out tickets to people speeding or not wearing seatbelts or other similar traffic offences so that people can the moan that the Police have nothing better to do.
A lot of Police work is reactive. yes, there are proactive things that can be done but again, that tends to be traffic work.
Perhaps it wasn't the best thought out idea in the world but if there were a group of guys sledging and the cops have joined in then it makes the group of guys think that not all cops are power mad idiots.
I personally wouldn't have done it but jeez, I would imagine the were doing it for all of 10 minutes....call it a refreshment break (yes, those things that every working person in the UK is SUPPOSED to get but that we VERY RARELY do cos we are too busy)
Harmless fun. Yes they were on duty and yes they used police quipment. But nobody failed to answer a 999 call, I am guessing that theydid all their clerking/formfilling on time, nobody got hurt and nobody lost any money.
So what's the problem?
Superintendent Murray is a boring old fart.
Harmless fun. Yes they were on duty and yes they used police quipment. But nobody failed to answer a 999 call, I am guessing that theydid all their clerking/formfilling on time, nobody got hurt and nobody lost any money.
So what's the problem?
Superintendent Murray is a boring old fart.
You hit the nail on the head with your bold text :p
fizzwheel
14-01-10, 06:07 PM
A bit of fun, bit of public relations, showing the "human side of the police force" all well and good and I have no problem with that.
But if I got caught skiving off work when I was supposed to be working, by sliding down a hill on a server lid, bet your bottom dollar my boss would have given me a talking to, just like theirs did.
Biker Biggles
14-01-10, 06:14 PM
Oh dear oh dear I despair of this country sometimes.Management----the real British disease shows its ugly head as usual.When will those who purport to be leaders of men and women learn that a happy workforce is so much more productive than one led by humourless miseries with their self important heads stuck firmly where the sun never ventures?
I could swear,but I respect the rules and wont.
husky03
14-01-10, 06:21 PM
Forgive me for thinking that you get paid to work ... :rolleyes:
So when your at work its every minute of everyday-aye right
Work hard ... play hard ... thats how it works down here anyway .... :eek:
care to expand on that-
Like Speedplay .... as a Manager, maybe I see things differently ..
as you inform us that your a manager -i'd expect that you'd be aware that the team that gets on together and shares a laugh are by far more productive than the team that doesn't-
you've still to tell me how you want coppers to speak to the criminals
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 06:39 PM
Heh, one bar job I had manager completely understood and joined in with the official sports of shooting each other with the soda dispenser and ice-cube-down-shirt attacks. Because she knew the last manager had been an officious front bottom and had managed to get the staff devoting most of their working hours to making him look silly.
speedplay
14-01-10, 06:42 PM
as you inform us that your a manager -i'd expect that you'd be aware that the team that gets on together and shares a laugh are by far more productive than the team that doesn't-
Yes that is true and I am all for having a happy workforce (it makes life a lot easier for one thing).
I get on very well with all the lads I work with and appreciate all their efforts too.
I can't speak for others but in the enviroment that I work in, everyone is required to have an enduction before being allowed on site.
In the enduction it states "Do not endulge in dangerous horseplay".
This is for the safety of others and themselves.
What the workforce do in their own time is up to them (as long as it doesnt affect the work enviroment, Drink/drugs etc).
The officers in the clip, were clearly on work time and not their own.
As I have posted further up in the thread, I know its just a bunch of lads having a laugh, but they are not on their own time.
"There is a time and place for everything" and all that..
maviczap
14-01-10, 06:44 PM
Heh, one bar job I had manager completely understood and joined in with the official sports of shooting each other with the soda dispenser and ice-cube-down-shirt attacks. Because she knew the last manager had been an officious front bottom and had managed to get the staff devoting most of their working hours to making him look silly.
Thats the skill of being a good manager, know when to join in with the fun, but knowing when to draw the line, so you're troops know what you're happy with them doing and what you're not.
I'm usually happy so long as the work gets done, but some people still want their cake and eat it.
I would have rollocked the one who posted it the most - just plain daft
Pah. DarylB took all yesterday off to go sledging. Called the office to say he couldnt get the car off the drive. A likely story;)
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 06:45 PM
But a police officer cannot take off their uniform at any point in the duration of their shift. We need to be able to respond if there is an emergency situation so how can you possibly say they were clearly on work time??? How do you know it wasn't used as part of their refreshment time?
I don't, and you don't.
You are making presumptions.
Yes, perhaps it was a dumbass idea but come on folks, lighten up a bit!
maviczap
14-01-10, 06:47 PM
But a police officer cannot take off their uniform at any point in the duration of their shift. We need to be able to respond if there is an emergency situation so how can you possibly say they were clearly on work time??? How do you know it wasn't used as part of their refreshment time?
I don't, and you don't.
You are making presumptions.
Yes, perhaps it was a dumbass idea but come on folks, lighten up a bit!
They should have held up a sign or done a voice over saying this was done in our tea break and no riot shield was hurt during the making of this movie :p
speedplay
14-01-10, 06:47 PM
But a police officer cannot take off their uniform at any point in the duration of their shift. We need to be able to respond if there is an emergency situation so how can you possibly say they were clearly on work time??? How do you know it wasn't used as part of their refreshment time?
I don't, and you don't.
You are making presumptions.
Yes, perhaps it was a dumbass idea but come on folks, lighten up a bit!
So as a police officer,when you take a refreshment break, are you still effectivly being paid and on call?
yorkie_chris
14-01-10, 06:47 PM
And anyway, couple of extra seconds to run(:-P) back to the van isn't likely to take any longer than paying for coffee/donuts. So it's not like emergency response times would be affected :-D
Spiderman
14-01-10, 06:48 PM
How do you know it wasn't used as part of their refreshment time?
Cos they're always doing stuff they aint meant to do while in uniform, we all know that ;)
http://surferjerry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/police-medic.jpg
Biker Biggles
14-01-10, 06:49 PM
Thats the skill of being a good manager, know when to join in with the fun, but knowing when to draw the line, so you're troops know what you're happy with them doing and what you're not.
I'm usually happy so long as the work gets done, but some people still want their cake and eat it.
I would have rollocked the one who posted it the most - just plain daft
None of them posted it.It was Joe public who they were having a laugh with who posted it without malice,but then some do gooder busy body saw it and took it upon themselves took whine about it.
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 06:51 PM
So as a police officer,when you take a refreshment break, are you still effectivly being paid and on call?
yes
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 06:51 PM
They should have held up a sign or done a voice over saying this was done in our tea break and no riot shield was hurt during the making of this movie :p
That made me laugh!!
maviczap
14-01-10, 06:53 PM
None of them posted it.It was Joe public who they were having a laugh with who posted it without malice,but then some do gooder busy body saw it and took it upon themselves took whine about it.
Always some do gooder who's prepared to dob someone in for havin a bit of fun :(
Lesson learnt - never do anything in front of the public ;)
speedplay
14-01-10, 06:53 PM
So as a police officer,when you take a refreshment break, are you still effectivly being paid and on call?
yes
Then they are NOT on their own time.
Simple.
It's a good job some of you miseries aren't my manager...I'd have buried you under the patio by now! :D
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 06:56 PM
Still entitled to 45 mins during a shift.
Like I said, very rarely do you get a spare ten minutes to yourself.
maviczap
14-01-10, 06:56 PM
They should have held up a sign or done a voice over saying this was done in our tea break and no riot shield was hurt during the making of this movie :p
Tis the get out of trouble card that you play in the disciplinary hearing :p
speedplay
14-01-10, 07:01 PM
Still entitled to 45 mins during a shift.
Like I said, very rarely do you get a spare ten minutes to yourself.
Thats just the point though.
They didnt take the time to themselves for refreshments, they decided to pull a riot van up next to a hill and use police property to go sledging down a hill in uniform.
Not only were they stupid enough to do it with people about, they let themselves get filmed doing it.
We all know that whatever gets filmed these days has a really strong chance of ending up on the internet somewhere:rolleyes:
beabert
14-01-10, 07:01 PM
Or they were in pursuit of a suspect and used the shield to chase him down and apprehended him more quickly.
We should be honouring him for using his initiative.
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 07:03 PM
Thats just the point though.
They didnt take the time to themselves for refreshments, they decided to pull a riot van up next to a hill and use police property to go sledging down a hill in uniform.
Not only were they stupid enough to do it with people about, they let themselves get filmed doing it.
We all know that whatever gets filmed these days has a really strong chance of ending up on the internet somewhere:rolleyes:
Yeh, please read my othe posts. I did say it wasn't the most intelligent thing to do
Put yourselves in the position of the Super - he had to say something to the Officers after it was brought to his attention. He couldn't exactly ignore a video posted on YouTube for the whole world (inc. his his bosses ;-)), could he?
As has said, prob gave 'em a bollicking with a twinkle in his eye ;-)
speedplay
14-01-10, 07:08 PM
Yeh, please read my othe posts. I did say it wasn't the most intelligent thing to do
I read them.
I was also suprised that as an oficer yourself you cam straight out with it too:thumbsup:
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:09 PM
I would have said they were preventing snow ballers from assaulting people on the hill and by showing a high vis presence the public were safe to enjoy the snow without fear of being assaulted.
Trust and confidence ;)
OK only fun I have had on the job is getting the panda stuck up a hill and sliding back down and breaking up snowmen built in the carriageway.
I wanna go !!!!! ;0)
Nice one officers, I'd do the same!
You can't compare police sliding down a hill whilst out in the field with if we were to do the same. The equivalent of that in our jobs may be very different, so they can't be compared. That's the nature of police work, out there doing stuff, etc, so they're bound to bump into more fun. Like someone suggested earlier, police sliding down a hill is an office workers equivalent of taking 20 minute 'internet breaks'.
And also we're not too sure if they were on a break or not. That could have been the start of their lunchtime. I assume police officers are allowed lunch right?!
well it looked fun, so fair do's.
Dave20046
14-01-10, 07:13 PM
At the end of the day the force were inevitably going to have to take some action...as it's what they feel like they have to do. They were stupid for letting that snotty little **** film them though.
And doing it at the tax payers expense is a bit over hyped I wonder how many times they've missed breaks etc. they've been entitled to to go and help out a tax payer.
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:15 PM
And also we're not too sure if they were on a break or not. That could have been the start of the lunchtime. I assume police officers are allowed lunch right?!
Public wouldn't think so. I went in Tesco for a sandwich, pick the shops were there are frequent shoplifters so acting as a deterant while picking up a butty.
I have booked my refs, drove to Tesco, purchased sarnies and ate in my 45 mins .... but the public come out with comments "is this what we pay our taxes for"........... we are human and we have to eat !!!
As Police we sometimes can't win whatever we do :(
Ohhh and any overtime we do, the first 1/2 hr is always UNPAID !! :( and it is a frequent occurancy.
Rant over ... off to find me sledge for my night shift tonight
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 07:21 PM
At the end of the day the force were inevitably going to have to take some action...as it's what they feel like they have to do. They were stupid for letting that snotty little **** film them though.
And doing it at the tax payers expense is a bit over hyped I wonder how many times they've missed breaks etc. they've been entitled to to go and help out a tax payer.
Yes and not forgetting that the first half hour of overtime we work is for nothing. We don't get paid for it and it happens most shifts. Infact, I can't rememeber the last time I got away before the first half hour.
Plus, half the time most of us are in work at least 30 mins early...and end up having to go out to help a tax payer...
beabert
14-01-10, 07:22 PM
Public wouldn't think so. I went in Tesco for a sandwich, pick the shops were there are frequent shoplifters so acting as a deterant while picking up a butty.
I have booked my refs, drove to Tesco, purchased sarnies and ate in my 45 mins .... but the public come out with comments "is this what we pay our taxes for"........... we are human and we have to eat !!!
As Police we sometimes can't win whatever we do :(
Ohhh and any overtime we do, the first 1/2 hr is always UNPAID !! :( and it is a frequent occurancy.
Rant over ... off to find me sledge for my night shift tonight
:(
I have nothing but admiration for police officers and the job they do, even when they are sledging :smt023
Dave20046
14-01-10, 07:24 PM
Yes and not forgetting that the first half hour of overtime we work is for nothing. We don't get paid for it and it happens most shifts. Infact, I can't rememeber the last time I got away before the first half hour.
Plus, half the time most of us are in work at least 30 mins early...and end up having to go out to help a tax payer...
hmph, taxpayers are ********s...you should devote your time to the selfemployed & crooked!
maviczap
14-01-10, 07:27 PM
Yes and not forgetting that the first half hour of overtime we work is for nothing. We don't get paid for it and it happens most shifts. Infact, I can't rememeber the last time I got away before the first half hour.
Plus, half the time most of us are in work at least 30 mins early...and end up having to go out to help a tax payer...
Think youself lucky that you're still getting overtime a dangerous thing to post in these cash strapped times
I now have contracted hours my overtime disapeared over 15 years ago.
Dave20046
14-01-10, 07:29 PM
Think youself lucky that you're still getting overtime a dangerous thing to post in these cash strapped times
I now have contracted hours my overtime disapeared over 15 years ago.
TBH I think emergency services deserve overtime more than anyone else. I'd be pretty gutted if I got stabbed to death on a shift (example) and I wasn't even getting paid for it.
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:29 PM
:(
I have nothing but admiration for police officers and the job they do, even when they are sledging :smt023
:kiss: have to say the job is not fun in this weather. I got stuck 4 times last night, went up a slight incline, stopped to do a job, got back in the car and oooooopps. Had to slide back down the hill to the bottom.
Thought it was hilarious tho as I wheel spun and snow covered my colleague standing behind :) he he he
I so wish I was more professional but I ain't ever gonna be .... oh well :cheers:
Think youself lucky that you're still getting overtime a dangerous thing to post in these cash strapped times
I now have contracted hours my overtime disapeared over 15 years ago.
I ain't ... overtime ban. Job is such that you can't just walk away tho and go home.
Von Teese
14-01-10, 07:31 PM
Seems like I used a POOR example!
Firstly please note the title of the thread.
I meant ANYONE in jobs, life etc... seems everyone has to be so serious and miserable and worried about what others are doing rather than seeing the fun in it.
Some of the comments on here prove that irrevocably and to be honest, I understand how people hate the police but this is not really about police, its about WHY things have changed so much that people just love to have a go.
Why cant everyone lighten up a bit and have a bit of fun sometimes ( I appreciate that there is a time for work and a time for play but why does everyone have to be so bitter and twisted these days).
And Lissa.....rofl!
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 07:33 PM
TBH I think emergency services deserve overtime more than anyone else. I'd be pretty gutted if I got stabbed to death on a shift (example) and I wasn't even getting paid for it.
Hehe! Giggle number 2!
We really don't have the choice just to go home once we have put our hours in. If there is something on going, we have to stay and deal with it. We also don't have the choice of not going to court on our rest days, or getting called into work on our rest days, or having to go to court in the middle of our annual leave. Or getting phoned at 4am and asked to start dayshift at 5 instead of 8.
Maybe I won't next time?
Of course I will, and I will do it for the next 31 years of my service.
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:33 PM
Seems like I used a POOR example!
Firstly please note the title of the thread.
I meant ANYONE in jobs, life etc... seems everyone has to be so serious and miserable and worried about what others are doing rather than seeing the fun in it.
Some of the comments on here prove that irrevocably and to be honest, I understand how people hate the police but this is not really about police, its about WHY things have changed so much that people just love to have a go.
Why cant everyone lighten up a bit and have a bit of fun sometimes ( I appreciate that there is a time for work and a time for play but why does everyone have to be so bitter and twisted these days).
And Lissa.....rofl!
I'd like to know what folk do for a laugh in their jobs ..... come on spill guys.
It's good to laugh and a good thread VT .... more light heartedness means more smiles.
Dave20046
14-01-10, 07:35 PM
I'd like to know what folk do for a laugh in their jobs ..... come on spill guys.
It's good to laugh and a good thread VT .... more light heartedness means more smiles.
I film coppers skiving :mrgreen:
Yes and not forgetting that the first half hour of overtime we work is for nothing. We don't get paid for it and it happens most shifts. Infact, I can't rememeber the last time I got away before the first half hour.
Plus, half the time most of us are in work at least 30 mins early...and end up having to go out to help a tax payer...
I can't remember the last time I got PAID for overtime, and I usually work more than 30mins per day. (Boo hoo for me :smt083)
It was stoopid but funny - but you can't get away with anything when you're in the public eye and they should have known that. Off-duty police officers having fun on riot-shield sledge reads very differently...
speedplay
14-01-10, 07:36 PM
we go sledging on company property.
maviczap
14-01-10, 07:36 PM
TBH I think emergency services deserve overtime more than anyone else. I'd be pretty gutted if I got stabbed to death on a shift (example) and I wasn't even getting paid for it.
If you contracted in overtime hours, flexibility, shift extentions, call outs etc, then you would be being paid.
Trying to convince people to swap out of overtime schemes is very difficult.
Ours wasn't really an option, it was a take it or leave it, but now everyone probrably wouldn't go back to overtime.
The people who don't get paid enough are the Ambulance, Nurses & Firefighters IMHO
Von Teese
14-01-10, 07:37 PM
Off-duty police officers having fun on riot-shield sledge reads very differently...
Actually it doesn't, sadly on or off duty you are held responsible and liable for everything you say or do.
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 07:38 PM
As has been mentioned in a previous thread, technically there is no such things as being off-duty when you are a Police officer. That is why we have rest days as opposed to days off.
our rest days
Rest days!!! What the hell is that????
I dont get a rest day and being self-employed if I take holiday I dont get paid.
But a few minutes on a bloody sledge - even if you worked for the Inland Revenue (*spit*) I wouldnt begrudge you that.
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:42 PM
Actually it doesn't, sadly on or off duty you are held responsible and liable for everything you say or do.
That is so true. My RTC on my bike we investigated more than it would have been if it was Joe Public. Road closed, CIU called out for a 1 person RTC non reportable. They worked out my speed and had my bike recovered.
Joe Public would have been off to hospital, bike on side of road and job done.
davepreston
14-01-10, 07:50 PM
ok we all know the police arent human so i think this attempt to blend into civilised socitey by getting a sense of hummour is a positive thing, next they may even speak to you in a civil manner or engage common sense in the conduct of there duties :p
Shellywoozle
14-01-10, 07:52 PM
ok we all know the police arent human so i think this attempt to blend into civilised socitey by getting a sense of hummour is a positive thing, next they may even speak to you in a civil manner or engage common sense in the conduct of there duties :p
:smt021
As has been mentioned in a previous thread, technically there is no such things as being off-duty when you are a Police officer. That is why we have rest days as opposed to days off.
You should move to Manchester - a quick glance at their website shows lots of off-duty references. :confused:
maviczap
14-01-10, 07:57 PM
ok we all know the police arent human so i think this attempt to blend into civilised socitey by getting a sense of hummour is a positive thing, next they may even speak to you in a civil manner or engage common sense in the conduct of there duties :p
Yes, the next time I get stopped, I'm going to say ' Shouldn't you be out sledging on riot shield somewhere rather than picking on little old me officer' :p
Spiderman
14-01-10, 08:56 PM
ok we all know the police arent human so i think this attempt to blend into civilised socitey by getting a sense of hummour is a positive thing, next they may even speak to you in a civil manner or engage common sense in the conduct of there duties :p
now you're living in cloud cuckoo land aint ya?
;)
engage common sense? Are they allowed to do that? Surley its worse than sledging on riot shields.
speedplay
14-01-10, 08:57 PM
Yes, the next time I get stopped, I'm going to say ' Shouldn't you be out sledging on riot shield somewhere rather than picking on little old me officer' :p
Oh yeah, sure fire way of getting off a ticket...:rolleyes:
Milky Bar Kid
14-01-10, 08:59 PM
You should move to Manchester - a quick glance at their website shows lots of off-duty references. :confused:
I will say it again. TECHNICALLY there is no such thing as off duty. If I was apparently off duty and didn't behave in a certain manner I would be pulled up as though I was on duty.
If I were to see something happening and, unless for very very good officer saftey reasons, didn't do anything, I could be disciplined for neglect of duty.
It is the same for every Police Officer in the UK.
Pretty sure we know what holding the office of constable entails.
Owenski
14-01-10, 09:12 PM
I havnt read everything posted cos Im in a rush but, big up to the bobbys. I think its awsome, the snow does bring out the kid in us all I think its the best bit of police PR i've ever seen. Quoted "we're only human" too right you are and everyone whos human likes to have a laugh, I bet that bollocking was issued with a smile.
You cant tell me that many other employees from other industrys havnt been out an tossed a snow ball or sledged on a bin liner etc in this last fortnight I think its a good thing that they went and put a smile on peoples faces. Far better than issuing tickets for pointless offences.
davepreston
14-01-10, 09:50 PM
I will say it again. TECHNICALLY there is no such thing as off duty. If I was apparently off duty and didn't behave in a certain manner I would be pulled up as though I was on duty.
If I were to see something happening and, unless for very very good officer saftey reasons, didn't do anything, I could be disciplined for neglect of duty.
It is the same for every Police Officer in the UK.
Pretty sure we know what holding the office of constable entails.
i beg to differ most dont have a scoobies and some just dont care
and ive got 5/1 ive met more coppers than you :)
What a sad world when someone only sees the five minutes of fun and says "how dare they blah blah blah blah" I bet the same idiot would be glad if one of those guys turned up to help out at an incident they were involved in.
And as a manager of a very successful, profitable, Team I know my guys nick a bit of time for school sports, buy the wife's Xmas pressie etc, and quite frankly I don't mind in the least. They hit the numbers, respond out of hours, behave professionally when called on, work away from home if needs be. And on occasion I tell them to go and have a bit of fun, "I'll field your calls, you go and play golf, or whatever. Take your wife out for a meal, on me."
Oh my God, they might be five minutes late for a shout... and they might actually be five minutes closer - good job they were sledging so close to the incident.
But they must behave in a professional manner. As long as they do when called on just what is the problem here.
They should have had a snowball fight with them instead. By flying down that hill on a riot shield they werent engaging with the public and were being selfish by not letting others have a go...
It's good to laugh and a good thread VT .... more light heartedness means more smiles.
I do a lot of work with people over 70 because they get their cavity wall and loft insulation installed for free. For a laugh I get a bit flirty with some of the old grannies because it makes their day, you should hear the things some of them come out with though.
Btw - fair play to the coppers showing a human side, even if it was on Police time. Any senior officer who genuinely gave them a rollicking needs shooting. No-one was hurt, they were still on call and able to respond, so what's the problem?
Fizzy Fish
15-01-10, 06:36 AM
They should have had a snowball fight with them instead. By flying down that hill on a riot shield they werent engaging with the public and were being selfish by not letting others have a go...
:lol: :lol:
I do a lot of work with people over 70 because they get their cavity wall and loft insulation installed for free. For a laugh I get a bit flirty with some of the old grannies because it makes their day, you should hear the things some of them come out with though.
:shock:
And I'll hold the jokes about filling cavities, as my mind can't cope with the mental images... ;)
Btw - fair play to the coppers showing a human side, even if it was on Police time. Any senior officer who genuinely gave them a rollicking needs shooting. No-one was hurt, they were still on call and able to respond, so what's the problem?
Watching the coppers do that would have made my day! mind you i do agree they could have done their skiving a bit more discretely - you should know something like that's gonna get sent all around the web until it gets to some miserable old sod who makes a complaint
The problem is everyone's afraid these days - afraid what people will think, what some top brass or the local paper will say, etc So they stay on the safe side and stick to the rules/make them even more rigid.
Same camp as the Health & Safety brigade, or those councils who ban Nativity plays because they are afraid of 'offending' people who probably wouldn't be offended anyway
I think we are missing the point here. Some nutter was going to go down the slope in a Kyak! Nutter.
AS for the coppers, the new crime of Toboggoning on duty has well and truly been broken, so what, its a laugh. If someone had hurt themselves whilst sliding down the hill, then the police would have been on site 1st hand and saved the day, then the story would have been different. It also shows initative. You never know when they may have to apprehend a suspect in snow running down hill. To their suprise, PC Eddie the Eagle hurtles down and arrests him on the riot shield. I would pay to see that.
I meant ANYONE in jobs, life etc... seems everyone has to be so serious and miserable and worried about what others are doing rather than seeing the fun in it.
The thing is, back in the days when policemen had to be 5'10" and they wouldn't face recriminations for clipping a scrote round the ear, they just would not have done stunts like this. There is a certain thing called 'professional conduct' which is the complete antithesis of the actions of the characters in this story.
The thing is, back in the days when policemen had to be 5'10" and they wouldn't face recriminations for clipping a scrote round the ear, they just would not have done stunts like this. There is a certain thing called 'professional conduct' which is the complete antithesis of the actions of the characters in this story.
and 'back in the day' even brickie's labourers wore ties.
On the one hand we've seen threads about why can't the Police be more tolerent about being a few miles over the limit, and then there is no tolerence going the other way.
Mixing with Joe Public, and showing their human side, is a good PR exercise at the very least.
As for professional conduct, if they behaved like unruly kids whilst on a job thats unprofessional. Each to their own but I don't see this as unprofessional.
I can completely understand why they'd want to lighten up 10 minutes of their day; and as nobody seemingly suffered from their actions then there is no harm done, but no-one, in any profession, could claim they were acting responsibly and professionally, whilst using a piece of specialist equipment to sledge down a hill.
I don't see the harm in it really, but people's values and the way they see their role as part of society has changed. In this case, I would say that a nice cute picture of a uniformed policeman gently pushing a youngster on a sledge at the top of the hill would have remained professional and potentially improved public relations. Unfortunately, particularly during a recession when people are watching every penny and wondering where their taxes are going (mostly to paying off failing banks it has to be said), seeing policemen 'on a jolly' does not really fit with that.
Von Teese
15-01-10, 11:33 AM
In this case, I would say that a nice cute picture of a uniformed policeman gently pushing a youngster on a sledge at the top of the hill would have remained professional and potentially improved public relations.
Oh you mean that 'paedophile cop' that the parents complained about for 'touching up' their child and pushing it down a slope where injury could have also been caused and the child could have ended up in a wheelchair?
You know...
the one that got fired for it?
That would have been the headline on your 'cute picture'.
Cops can't win!
End of!
But back on topic, we were talking about EVERYONE cheering up a bit!
Cops can't win!
End of!
Cops can and do win, but if you start with that attitude you certainly won't
Spiderman
15-01-10, 11:44 AM
But back on topic, we were talking about EVERYONE cheering up a bit!
But VT, thats not the british way my love. They love to have a moan about something.
And queuing too, they love to queue.
Von Teese
15-01-10, 11:44 AM
Cops can and do win, but if you start with that attitude you certainly won't
No I actually didnt start off with that attitude, it took 7 years of reality to get it!
plowsie
15-01-10, 11:47 AM
I'd like to know what folk do for a laugh in their jobs ..... come on spill guys.
I sit and look at coppers sledging on Youtube.
TBH, they were having 5 minutes of fun, should they have got a call, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have said 'Let's have one more quick go.'
Taxpayers money has gone to them to do that...Tell you what give everyone their percentage of tax back that they have lost in those 10 minutes and I will pay their wages for those 10 minutes.
Oh you mean that 'paedophile cop' that the parents complained about for 'touching up' their child and pushing it down a slope where injury could have also been caused and the child could have ended up in a wheelchair?
That's a nice active imagination!
Cops can't win! End of!
You said it ;)
Milky Bar Kid
15-01-10, 12:17 PM
That's a nice active imagination!
You said it ;)
Nah mate, thats not active imagination, that is reality of being in a job like this. It's unfortunately not just cops that face it but that is a whoooooole other thread.
PS (think teachers not allowed to cuddle kids when they fall...or even put a plaster on their knee!)
I sit and look at coppers sledging on Youtube.
TBH, they were having 5 minutes of fun, should they have got a call, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have said 'Let's have one more quick go.'
Taxpayers money has gone to them to do that...Tell you what give everyone their percentage of tax back that they have lost in those 10 minutes and I will pay their wages for those 10 minutes.
Plowsie, I'll go half's with you on that one.
More sunlight needed - c'mon guys, lighten up a wee bit.
I can see tarmac, the bike will be out soon...:)
The Guru
15-01-10, 01:54 PM
Lets be fair, everyone in life has a bit of 'downtime' when they should actually be working. If you didn't you would be a soul-less person with the personality of a card board box.
I think they were just having a bit of a laugh.. the stupid thing is they let it be filmed and that let their professionalism be questioned and the uniform called into disrepute.
Von Teese
15-01-10, 02:00 PM
Nah mate, thats not active imagination, that is reality of being in a job like this. It's unfortunately not just cops that face it but that is a hoooooole other thread.
+1
On the button MBK and since we ACTUALLY do the job I think we should know...
2 against 1 Carty...
You lose!
CheGuevara
15-01-10, 02:05 PM
Somewhere I have pics and vid (taken at the Nottingham Goose Fair during my first visit to England) of cops taking a time out to ride the bumper cars. I thought it was cool -the RCMP take themselves way too seriously to do something like that.
speedplay
15-01-10, 02:11 PM
+1
2 against 1 Carty...
You lose!
Not Really.
If you dont want other peoples opinions, then dont post it on an open forum ;)
Nobody "loses", They just have different opinions.
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