View Full Version : Now this is just disrespecting Britain...
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 07:18 PM
From the local news:
"DERBY Mayor Sean Marshall is taking a tough line during citizenship ceremonies. The number of people granted UK citizenship in the city has risen by about a third in the past four years. But Councillor Marshall says he has suspended some of the ceremonies if the new citizen has refused to stand for the British national anthem – only allowing it to continue if they rose to their feet. Although Mr Marshall does not have the power to refuse citizenship, he wishes to show those becoming British citizens that they should respect the country. Mr Marshall has also refused to hand over certificates to anyone who will not shake his hand. The certificates are, instead, given to the new citizens after the ceremony.
He said: "The whole point of these ceremonies is to swear allegiance to the country and so standing up for the anthem to show respect is, in my opinion, crucial. Some people did not shake my hand. I can understand in the case of Muslim women who don't want to shake a male's hand so if people do not want to shake my hand they still get their certificate, but after the ceremony." Mr Marshall said that, in the majority of cases, people did stand for the anthem and shake his hand. "
Now Derby is a multi-cultural city and I like living here. I have no problem at all with people from other countries/cultures/religions coming here and I enjoy the variety that it brings to the city. I don't know who wouldn't shake hands with the mayor (I know there are some issues in some muslim sects with women shaking hands with men) but when you are granted citizenship in this country and will neither stand for the anthem, nor shake the hand of the mayor, we have to say enough is enough and this really isn't the place for you to settle.
Yours, Annoyed of Derby
jimmy4237
16-01-10, 08:51 PM
:cheers::cheers: I'd vote you in for Mayor:cheers::cheers: Stand up for being british
The folk who get granted asylum and citizenship papers, only to then not get any jobs, and scrounge off the hard pressed tax payer the rest of their lives, ought to be rounded up gestapo style, and put onto a plane immediately, and deported.. I'm fed up paying for these scrounging layabouts, and having to manage two jobs just to make ends meet:nomore::nomore:
I know some cultures have their own way of life, but if you're mad enough to want to live in the UK now, at least shake the hand of the man, and learn the language.. and get a job to contribute back into the system..
If you don't work, then you get everything for free, if you do work hard all your days and pay taxes, and happen to fall on hard times, then apply for help, all the welfare do is kick you in the balls, and ignore you..:smt094
i still fail too see why we havnt just completely copied the aussie's way of doing immigration it work's so much better as for not standing for the anthem they should be sent packing right away.
Sid Squid
16-01-10, 09:03 PM
Whilst not defending immigrants who fail to stand for the National Anthem, I must wonder what proportion of the indigenous population do.
My own experience suggests it's not that common any more.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 09:08 PM
Whilst not defending immigrants who fail to stand for the National Anthem, I must wonder what proportion of the indigenous population do.
My own experience suggests it's not that common any more.
I agree, but it's a bit different when you are applying for citizenship and refuse to stand at the ceremony where you are actually achieve it, and refuse to shake hands with the mayor of the city where you want to live.
CoolGirl
16-01-10, 09:08 PM
The folk who ...get granted asylum and citizenship papers, only to then not get any jobs, and scrounge off the hard pressed tax payer the rest of their lives, ought to be rounded up gestapo style, and put onto a plane immediately, and deported.. I'm fed up paying for these scrounging layabouts, and having to manage two jobs just to make ends meet:nomore::nomore:
If you don't work, then you get everything for free
does this apply to the indigenous population who choose to do the same? Where would you send them?
Hands up to those who can honestly say they know the british national anthem by heart to not only stand up but sing along with it?
It seems that the only time people these days are that patriotic, is standing on a football pitch singing it with thousands of others.
Biker Biggles
16-01-10, 09:13 PM
I think this is a rather arbitrary and bigoted way of determining who should get citizenship,a bit like Tebbits cricket test.
Its not compulsory to be a royalist for a start,and you get UK citizenship,so you might prefere to stand for the Scottish or Welsh anthem?Far better tunes both of em.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 09:20 PM
I think this is a rather arbitrary and bigoted way of determining who should get citizenship,a bit like Tebbits cricket test.
Its not compulsory to be a royalist for a start,and you get UK citizenship,so you might prefere to stand for the Scottish or Welsh anthem?Far better tunes both of em.
It isn't determining who gets citizenship - they already have it and are receiving the award of it at this ceremony. However, don't you think it's disrespectful that when a country grants you citzienship you refuse to respect the anthem of that country at the very ceremony where you receive the award, and on top of it refuse to shake hands with the person giving you your citzenship documents?
Let's put the boot on the other foot. If I were applying to be a citizen of another country I'd be grateful when accepted and respect both their anthem and the mayor of the city where I chose to live. Wouldn't you?
Let's put the boot on te other foot. If I were applying to be a citizen of another country I'd be grateful when accepted and respect both their anthem and the mayor of the city where I chose to live. Wouldn't you?
I´m afraid to say that not many English abroad would do.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 09:25 PM
I´m afraid to say that not many English abroad would do.
No country has a monopoly of ignorant people. I expect there are lots of ignorant Brits, and if they show disrespect to other countries when applying for citizenship they should be sent back here. Do I take it that you agree with the original point that it's disrespectful not to stand for the anthem at your citizenship ceremony?
jimmy4237
16-01-10, 09:27 PM
does this apply to the indigenous population who choose to do the same? Where would you send them?
I'd adopt the US & Canada system of state welfare. You pay into the system according to your earnings. You get full benefits for some months, then it gets halved. after a few months later you have run your emergency state pot dry, and you're forced back into work, to topup your state welfare package again, and to recontribute yourself back into society... My cousin in Toronto says they're strict on welfare cheques, and you've to meet their criteria, and attend assessments every couple of months so the welfare staff can physically see you're not screwing them for money. The IRS in America work on the same setup.. don't pay back any overdues monies, and they'll take your goods to reclaim the money at auctions.... even your house
There's very few exemptions over there when it comes to lifetime free full state benefits. Only the critically ill / disabled, etc etc get the full package. Before you get any benefits, you are interviewed to see how much the welfare man will allow you....
Encourages you to work, and keep a job. 8)8)
Biker Biggles
16-01-10, 09:27 PM
No I think this is tokenism.What Im interested in is whether these people are going to contribute to their new environment or just take from it.I dont think you can expect a whole new mindset from them.If I went to live in France,I wouldnt suddenly start to think of Trafalgar and Waterloo as huge military defeats.And Id still regard General De Gualle as a comedy sketch figure with that silly hat.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 09:31 PM
No I think this is tokenism.What Im interested in is whether these people are going to contribute to their new environment or just take from it.I dont think you can expect a whole new mindset from them.If I went to live in France,I wouldnt suddenly start to think of Trafalgar and Waterloo as huge military defeats.And Id still regard General De Gualle as a comedy sketch figure with that silly hat.
Neither would I, but if I got citizenship I would stand when they play La Marseillaise and would shake hands with le mayor of le ville where I choose to live
dizzyblonde
16-01-10, 09:32 PM
No country has a monopoly of ignorant people. I expect there are lots of ignorant Brits, and if they show disrespect to other countries when applying for citizenship they should be sent back here.
There are a lot of ignorant brits. My best mate accepted to live like the French when she moved over there, shes turned her back on the UK.. she can't stand the ignorant lot that she unfortunately has to call aquaintances over there, that lord it about like the archetypal englishman.
If you live in a country, you should adapt to the ways of the land. I'm sure when the mayor of her town accepted her and her family, they shook hands, and spoke French (she only speaks English on the phone to here these days and in her own home of course)
Biker Biggles
16-01-10, 09:32 PM
I probably would as well,but I wouldnt worry too much about those who dont.
Do I take it that you agree with the original point that it's disrespectful not to stand for the anthem at your citizenship ceremony?
I think it is a bit stupid. Fancy just gaining your citizenship not to then stand and pay tribute to that country that has just let you in.
Not sure if I agree in sending them back only on the basis of this one event.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 09:40 PM
I probably would as well,but I wouldnt worry too much about those who dont.
To me it's not about having to live as I live and having to like the things I like. For example there are a lot of Polish immigrants in Derby. I wouldn't expect them to cheer for England when they play Poland. but if we say it's ok for immigrants to effectively put two fingers up to the country they are applying to enter, it's just wrong.
jimmy4237
16-01-10, 09:45 PM
There are a lot of ignorant brits. My best mate accepted to live like the French when she moved over there, shes turned her back on the UK.. she can't stand the ignorant lot that she unfortunately has to call aquaintances over there, that lord it about like the archetypal englishman.
If you live in a country, you should adapt to the ways of the land. I'm sure when the mayor of her town accepted her and her family, they shook hands, and spoke French (she only speaks English on the phone to here these days and in her own home of course)
I'd consider it an honour to stand up for another country's national anthem, and to shake the mayors hand if I was being offered citizenship in a foreign land. Then you adopt and change to how the locals work and live. You wouldn't expect to be spoken to in english all the time when living in or visiting France, wouldn't you??? At least learn the lingo, that way the locals can see you are trying to adapt, and they respect you more, and even help you. Speak in constant english in France, and you're almost certainly going to be called ignorant...and be ignored most of the time..
Sid Squid
16-01-10, 09:56 PM
Speak in constant english in France, and you're almost certainly going to be called ignorant...and be ignored most of the time..
And deserve it too.
Might help if the national anthem weren't 'God Save the Queen' but something else. It's a hideous dirge and anyway the true meaning of it is really not at all pleasant. However I agree with you, WO - if you are accepting citizenship of a country then you should buy into it. When I ran a marathon in the US the runners all sang The Star Spangled Banner, I had been told about this so I had learned the words and I sang it too. It's a basic respect.
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 10:08 PM
Might help if the national anthem weren't 'God Save the Queen' but something else. It's a hideous dirge and anyway the true meaning of it is really not at all pleasant. However I agree with you, WO - if you are accepting citizenship of a country then you should buy into it. When I ran a marathon in the US the runners all sang The Star Spangled Banner, I had been told about this so I had learned the words and I sang it too. It's a basic respect.
Exactly, I'm no royalist either but at the end of the day it is our anthem. I may not agree with the sentiments of the national anthem of the country I want to live in, but I would accept that it is their anthem and, if lucky enough to be accepted as a citizen, would stand when it's played at my citizenship ceremony.
dizzyblonde
16-01-10, 10:09 PM
Speak in constant english in France, and you're almost certainly going to be called ignorant...and be ignored most of the time..
You certainly do. When I first visited her village, Jet invited all 15 of her nieghbours round for her husbands 40th. None of them would speak to us at first, until I opened my mouth and asked somebody something in French. They looked at me oddly and started reaming off the answer at a rate of knots. Of course I asked them politely to slow down as I was a little rusty, then one by one, they all joined in conversation with me .....low and behold they all could speak fluent English, but only let slip after making sure I'd got half way. They give you a whole load more respect for at least trying, and will even help you along when you really make the effort.
Might help if the national anthem weren't 'God Save the Queen' but something else.
+1
I'm not a royalist...but then I wouldn't quite call myself a republican either.
Now, that Swing Low, sweet Chariot song gets my vote!
Well Oiled
16-01-10, 10:12 PM
+1
I'm not a royalist...but then I wouldn't quite call myself a republican either.
Now, that Swing Low, sweet Chariot song gets my vote!
No, I think this is a better view of things:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsUWcK-PzY
CheGuevara
16-01-10, 10:54 PM
Citizenship ceremony or not, if I was in another country (even visiting) and their national anthem was playing at an event I was attending, I would absolutely stand. Same as bowing your head when you're invited for dinner in a home where grace is said - you show respect to your hosts, even if you might not share their beliefs.
In 12 months time I will have the option of applying for citizenship here, and if I choose to apply, and I'm granted it, I would respect any ceremony as an honour and a privilege.
Citizenship ceremony or not, if I was in another country (even visiting) and their national anthem was playing at an event I was attending, I would absolutely stand. Same as bowing your head when you're invited for dinner in a home where grace is said - you show respect to your hosts, even if you might not share their beliefs.
+1 - understanding and respect go a long way whichever country you find yourself in.
As an aside, are we not subjects rather than citizens?
MattCollins
17-01-10, 09:02 AM
I haven't met an immigrant yet that will sit around on the dole... unless they're a Kiwi or a Brit. Those from disadvantaged countries simply are some of the hardest working individuals I have ever met and there is a continuing trend amongst employers to take on immigrant or imported labour to fill positions.
ive never stood for or sang the national anthem. Why is the English anthem also the British anthen, i just dont get it. And whenever its on the tv i mute it because its boring, dull and exceedingly boring
ive never stood for or sang the national anthem. Why is the English anthem also the British anthen, i just dont get it. And whenever its on the tv i mute it because its boring, dull and exceedingly boring
It certainly is boring, dull and exceedingly boring; but it is not the national anthem of England because they don't have one (neither does Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland). The only anthem in law is that of the United Kingdom - God Save The Queen
CoolGirl
17-01-10, 12:30 PM
given that we've been under Labour for nearly 13 years, you'd have thought a few verses of 'The Red Flag' might have done. But closer inspection shows it doesn't cut it either ;)
given that we've been under Labour for nearly 13 years, you'd have thought a few verses of 'The Red Flag' might have done. But closer inspection shows it doesn't cut it either ;)
Always makes me think of Wolfie (or Foxy according to the Mum)!
yorkie_chris
17-01-10, 01:14 PM
given that we've been under Labour for nearly 13 years, you'd have thought a few verses of 'The Red Flag' might have done. But closer inspection shows it doesn't cut it either ;)
:smt043
It certainly is boring, dull and exceedingly boring; but it is not the national anthem of England because they don't have one (neither does Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland). The only anthem in law is that of the United Kingdom - God Save The Queen
It celebrates the victory of the House of Hanover (ie George III against Bonnie Prince Charlie - a descendant of Charles II) at the Battle of Culloden, and the resulting certainty of the Protestant succession. It basically celebrates slaughter like we have never otherwise seen. It was one of the darkest events in our history, that and the Highland Clearances that followed it. And why celebrate a bunch of Germans?
ive never stood for or sang the national anthem. Why is the English anthem also the British anthen, i just dont get it. And whenever its on the tv i mute it because its boring, dull and exceedingly boring
It's a terrible national anthem in my opinion.
The video posted above about Billy Connolly sums it up perfectly.
We have a great national anthem :salut:;)
sunshine
17-01-10, 05:16 PM
go to an american baseball game the locals i was with told me to stand up for the national anthem or be ready for a beating, so i was quick to stand up with everyone, the one guy in our group didnt and was ripped out of seat by some yankee behind him. I was going to stand anyway but its good to be warned that the yank's dont like people disrespecting there anthem.
And as far as standing for the national anthem when getting citizenship i think its a must, the song is boring and i only know the first verse which is more than most people here.
A friend of mine is a doctor and someone tried to pay her off to get a false disability claim so she didnt have to work, and they was of ethnic minority. If i remember correctly a couple of years ago a paper showed one family with 9 children was living in a big mansion, both adults claiming for everything off the government and was given the house by the government because a council house wasnt big enough, and what made it better was illegals, who after got citizenship because it was against there human rights to deport them! so who ever said immigrates work harder it isnt always true.
Immigration cant be control by our government its now controlled by the eu, and theres still more immigrates coming in during our recession, bring on the depression thats going to follow it if we continue doing about it. And because of the stereotypical view that 16-24 year olds dont want to work, poeple in that age group that want to work get overlooked because of the narrow minded views. so mix that with uncontrollable immigration and you get the image of under 24's not working and lower standard trained foreign work force doing a job badly not willing to speak the local language because they dont want to mix with the locals. sounds like Wolverhampton quite well to me.
Just my views so if your going to flame **** off and if you have a good arguement against all that lets hear it.
Just my views so if your going to flame **** off and if you have a good arguement against all that lets hear it.
How erudite.
With views like that, you will go far in life:rolleyes:
Spiderman
17-01-10, 05:34 PM
go to an american baseball game the locals i was with told me to stand up for the national anthem or be ready for a beating, so i was quick to stand up with everyone, the one guy in our group didnt and was ripped out of seat by some yankee behind him. I was going to stand anyway but its good to be warned that the yank's dont like people disrespecting there anthem.
Just to clarify here...a nation that is proud of its "freedom" and wants to bomb the rest of the world into being "free" like they are is also so small minded that they would turn to violence against strangers for refusing to stand up for a song before a game is played?
Are you suggesting this is a good thing? That their "its great to be american...you're either with us or against us" attitude is something to admire? I do hope i read that wrong.
and what made it better was illegals, who after got citizenship because it was against there human rights to deport them! so who ever said immigrates work harder it isnt always true.
Immigration cant be control by our government its now controlled by the eu, and theres still more immigrates coming in during our recession, bring on the depression thats going to follow it if we continue doing about it. And because of the stereotypical view that 16-24 year olds dont want to work, poeple in that age group that want to work get overlooked because of the narrow minded views. so mix that with uncontrollable immigration and you get the image of under 24's not working and lower standard trained foreign work force doing a job badly not willing to speak the local language because they dont want to mix with the locals. sounds like Wolverhampton quite well to me.
Just my views so if your going to flame **** off and if you have a good arguement against all that lets hear it.
Now lets get this right cos you're mixing a few issues here.
If you come to this country seeking refuge you are a refugee. Did you know as a refugee you are NOT allowed to work for the 1st 6 months you are here?
A lot of refugees are called "illegals" by people who dont really know their situation.
Also the Eu has allowed economic migrants to come to this country and work, in the same way as you and i have the right to go live in their countries and work. If this is something you dont like, as many people dont, then you need to vote for parties that would have not stood for this.
Currently your choice is BNP or....errr..... or..... Hmm. Seems like all your options will continue to allow this type of migration but the country doesnt wanna hear that and would rather just listen to the hype and spin the 2 main parties put out about each other to distract you from the issues that really matter to you. Those issues dont even get aired for the most part.
But you know what...to keep a pop song out of the charts, well lets set up facebook pages and all text each other and get really into it...cos that matters. Yeh thats front page news as is what Cheryl and Simon wore and how she cried about something.
All thats news but the fact that you got 2 basic choices for Govt (dotn"waste" a vote on the lib dems will ya, you gotta make your vote count so vote tactically and vote for those win th best chance of beating the ones you want out...dont vote for who you actually want in.) and instead of everyone saying "lets give the lib dems* a chance, come on everyone lets not let tory or labour in this time, lets all set up facebook pages about stuff that matters" all they do is moan that "its cos of the immigrants and the illegals"
No its cos of your govt and the fact you let them shower of sh!t decide things for you.
Want a real change, go for a party that isnt owned by big business. If you can find one of course.
* I used lib dems simply as an example of "another" party. I have no affiliation to them. if i had my way and he was still about i'd be out campaigning for The Monster Raving Loony Party myself.
Biker Biggles
17-01-10, 05:37 PM
To me it's not about having to live as I live and having to like the things I like. For example there are a lot of Polish immigrants in Derby. I wouldn't expect them to cheer for England when they play Poland. but if we say it's ok for immigrants to effectively put two fingers up to the country they are applying to enter, it's just wrong.
Yeah I see your point,and I would have no issue with being basically polite when in another country,but I do think we put too much store on token issues.These people are just being rude really,but I wonder what checks are really made to ascertain if they deserve citizenship or not.I find these little ceremonies very trite,a bit like school prizegiving or employee of the month nonsense.
Would these people fight for England if the Scots invaded?Living in Derby that could be a reality you know:D
It certainly is boring, dull and exceedingly boring; but it is not the national anthem of England because they don't have one (neither does Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland). The only anthem in law is that of the United Kingdom - God Save The Queen
Ehhh is this really true? :confused:
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Just checked it out, it is..
So God Save the Queen is my national anthem?!
Bah, no chance me singing that sh!te.
sunshine
17-01-10, 06:43 PM
Just to clarify here...a nation that is proud of its "freedom" and wants to bomb the rest of the world into being "free" like they are is also so small minded that they would turn to violence against strangers for refusing to stand up for a song before a game is played?
Are you suggesting this is a good thing? That their "its great to be american...you're either with us or against us" attitude is something to admire? I do hope i read that wrong.
I disagree with it but people respect there anthem before a game now, so i guess it works.
Now lets get this right cos you're mixing a few issues here.
Its all related to respecting the country and anthem really tbh
If you come to this country seeking refuge you are a refugee. Did you know as a refugee you are NOT allowed to work for the 1st 6 months you are here?
A lot of refugees are called "illegals" by people who dont really know their situation.
I didnt know that so i will let that stand.
Also the Eu has allowed economic migrants to come to this country and work, in the same way as you and i have the right to go live in their countries and work. If this is something you dont like, as many people dont, then you need to vote for parties that would have not stood for this.
I havent been able to vote for an important change yet.
Currently your choice is BNP or....errr..... or..... Hmm. Seems like all your options will continue to allow this type of migration but the country doesnt wanna hear that and would rather just listen to the hype and spin the 2 main parties put out about each other to distract you from the issues that really matter to you. Those issues dont even get aired for the most part.
you forgot UKIP as well but yes BNP are rasict but there current policies on border control and immigration is agreed with my most but the bnp party has a bad name and will never get into power.
But you know what...to keep a pop song out of the charts, well lets set up facebook pages and all text each other and get really into it...cos that matters. Yeh thats front page news as is what Cheryl and Simon wore and how she cried about something.
All thats news but the fact that you got 2 basic choices for Govt (dotn"waste" a vote on the lib dems will ya, you gotta make your vote count so vote tactically and vote for those win th best chance of beating the ones you want out...dont vote for who you actually want in.) and instead of everyone saying "lets give the lib dems* a chance, come on everyone lets not let tory or labour in this time, lets all set up facebook pages about stuff that matters" all they do is moan that "its cos of the immigrants and the illegals"
No its cos of your govt and the fact you let them shower of sh!t decide things for you.
Want a real change, go for a party that isnt owned by big business. If you can find one of course.
* I used lib dems simply as an example of "another" party. I have no affiliation to them. if i had my way and he was still about i'd be out campaigning for The Monster Raving Loony Party myself.
Im guessing your voting for lib dems then :p
I agree the front page should be about something that matters but stuff that matters is boring to read about and doesn't sell as many papers so they wont put it front page, or anywhere it would seem. I cant be bothered with facebook so i dont know about all these facebook pages to make unimportant stuff change.
yorkie_chris
17-01-10, 06:55 PM
I'd say the BNP actually shot the country in the foot last election. Coming to publicity when they did made people vote "tactically" for labour, or so it seems.
If they were as nazi as the far left press make out they would have waited until the banking crisis to stage a rise to publicity ;-)
husky03
17-01-10, 06:57 PM
Ehhh is this really true? :confused:
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Just checked it out, it is..
So God Save the Queen is my national anthem?!
Bah, no chance me singing that sh!te.
Brilliant aint it Sally:D-feel free to cast aside your velcro gloves and join in and show your true allegiance to our majesty Queen Elizabeth.
Love it,makes the hairs on the back of me neck stand up, even better when its sung at Ibrox:D
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/callumhadd/hermajesty-2.jpg
Milky Bar Kid
17-01-10, 09:36 PM
It celebrates the victory of the House of Hanover (ie George III against Bonnie Prince Charlie - a descendant of Charles II) at the Battle of Culloden, and the resulting certainty of the Protestant succession. It basically celebrates slaughter like we have never otherwise seen. It was one of the darkest events in our history, that and the Highland Clearances that followed it. And why celebrate a bunch of Germans?
And this is why, if someone was to ask me, I would say my national anthem was Flower of Scotland.
I know all of the verses to it and will stand and sing it.
And this is why, if someone was to ask me, I would say my national anthem was Flower of Scotland.
I know all of the verses to it and will stand and sing it.
Y'know MBK, whilst I D/K any of the verses to Flower of Scotland, on the principle I'm with you all the way:D
Milky Bar Kid
17-01-10, 10:08 PM
Y'know MBK, whilst I D/K any of the verses to Flower of Scotland, on the principle I'm with you all the way:D
YAY!
And I DO NOT vote SNP!
bleeeedin heck... immigrant this immigrant that, who gives a toss. take all the borders away and what do we have at the end of the day?
the human race.
its governments that want army's, borders and wars.
Brilliant aint it Sally:D-feel free to cast aside your velcro gloves and join in and show your true allegiance to our majesty Queen Elizabeth.
Love it,makes the hairs on the back of me neck stand up, even better when its sung at Ibrox:D
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/callumhadd/hermajesty-2.jpg
Velcro gloves? I don't get it :)
I couldn't think of anything worse than hearing that utter sh!te being sung at a Scottish football game. :smt075
I could think of something worse, running out of sheep ;):makelurve:
go to an american baseball game the locals i was with told me to stand up for the national anthem or be ready for a beating, so i was quick to stand up with everyone, the one guy in our group didnt and was ripped out of seat by some yankee behind him. I was going to stand anyway but its good to be warned that the yank's dont like people disrespecting there anthem.
I dont want to comment on the rest but this bit i AGREE 100% ......
Go to America and get citizenship there and just try to disrespecting their flag.
wooohooo, america, where men are men and the different are persecuted.
ridelikeaturtle
17-01-10, 11:26 PM
politics and religion talk should be banned.
politics and religion should be banned.
sorted for you.
Which other country would put up with this disrespect ?
name one.
Which other country would put up with this disrespect ?
name one.
and this is why the uk is the uk, because most of us educated people tolerate it. wtf has a national anthem got to do with anything. as i said before, take away borders and you get human beings. dont matter coz we will all be europeans soon anyway. then what will people moan about?
mummy point your fanny towards britain please, i want to be british.
politics and religion talk should be banned.
my head hurts...
metalangel
18-01-10, 12:45 AM
Just to clarify here...a nation that is proud of its "freedom" and wants to bomb the rest of the world into being "free" like they are is also so small minded that they would turn to violence against strangers for refusing to stand up for a song before a game is played?
National pride? (devils advocate)
Are you suggesting this is a good thing? That their "its great to be american...you're either with us or against us" attitude is something to admire? I do hope i read that wrong.
Because all Americans mindlessly agree with their government's policies, just like in the UK! (sarcasm)
wooohooo, america, where men are men and the different are persecuted.
Given that America is a nation of immigrants I recon the whole Pledge allegiance/ anthem thing is, and needs to be taken more seriously.
From a national point of view, they need the United states to remain united.
Derail anthem Nb
God Save the Queen: is extraordinarily dreary
Flower of Scotland: is a borderline Oomm pah pah and a bit cringeworthy IMO but to each there own
Land of my Fathers: Rocks. End of
England apparently doesn't get an anthem because it would be bad for national unity and we apparently have "FootBall Songs" so...
"Posh Spice takes it up the **** " it is then.
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La Marseillaise: All time rocks & has to be the most bloodthirsty anthem out there.
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