View Full Version : So some bikes still have chokes then?
So you take your bike to a new dealer as your existing dealer is rubbish.
It is in a town that isn't familiar to you.
You turn up and get offered a courtesy bike, to which you ask "it doesn't cost anything does it?", the man serving you looks at you as if to say "of course not it's a courtesy bike!" - but that's just one of the reasons for blowing the old dealer out (another thread somewhere).
You get the keys to a courtesy bike, but have a few houses to look at first in the area so arrange to pick it up later.
On arriving fully kitted you put the key in the ignition and cannot for the life of you get the sodding thing started, but really don't want to go in and look a plonker.
Eventually you go in and the helpful man that served you earlier comes out and starts it first time and says "it needs a bit of choke!".
OH BIKES HAVE CHOKES?!? Well I have only had a pointy and the RR in recent years so had totally forgotten about chokes.
I felt like a right plonker, but fortunately am not from the area so who would know......
The you get home, lock the bike up, cover it and have dinner thinking no more of it, with the embarrassment finally subsiding.
Then you get a PM, from the bloke that served you and helped you start the bike - HOLDUP!
Thanks Fella.
I am such a pr&t!
cue footbal style your **** and you know you are lol only joking easily forgot like fuel tap's.
DarrenSV650S
16-01-10, 09:00 PM
So you take your bike to a new dealer as your existing dealer is rubbish.
It is in a town that isn't familiar to you.
You turn up and get offered a courtesy bike, to which you ask "it doesn't cost anything does it?", the man serving you looks at you as if to say "of course not it's a courtesy bike!" - but that's just one of the reasons for blowing the old dealer out (another thread somewhere).
You get the keys to a courtesy bike, but have a few houses to look at first in the area so arrange to pick it up later.
On arriving fully kitted you put the key in the ignition and cannot for the life of you get the sodding thing started, but really don't want to go in and look a plonker.
Eventually you go in and the helpful man that served you earlier comes out and starts it first time and says "it needs a bit of choke!".
OH BIKES HAVE CHOKES?!? Well I have only had a pointy and the RR in recent years so had totally forgotten about chokes.
I felt like a right plonker, but fortunately am not from the area so who would know......
The you get home, lock the bike up, cover it and have dinner thinking no more of it, with the embarrassment finally subsiding.
Then you get a PM, from the bloke that served you and helped you start the bike - HOLDUP!
Thanks Fella.
I am such a pr&t!
I don't remember doing any of that?? :confused:
holdup's a right nob isn't he ;)
Actually the CBF I have is a cracking bike, I know I shouldn't like it coming off my baby, but it's a nice upright drive in town with it's elevated position. Could do with 3" soles on my shoes though.
Oh and a choke too, what's that all about?
I don't remember doing any of that??
Eh?
DarrenSV650S
16-01-10, 09:04 PM
Eh?
;)
So you take your bike to a new dealer as your existing dealer is rubbish.
It is in a town that isn't familiar to you.
You turn up and get offered a courtesy bike, to which you ask "it doesn't cost anything does it?", the man serving you looks at you as if to say "of course not it's a courtesy bike!" - but that's just one of the reasons for blowing the old dealer out (another thread somewhere).
You get the keys to a courtesy bike, but have a few houses to look at first in the area so arrange to pick it up later.
On arriving fully kitted you put the key in the ignition and cannot for the life of you get the sodding thing started, but really don't want to go in and look a plonker.
Eventually you go in and the helpful man that served you earlier comes out and starts it first time and says "it needs a bit of choke!".
OH BIKES HAVE CHOKES?!? Well I have only had a pointy and the RR in recent years so had totally forgotten about chokes.
I felt like a right plonker, but fortunately am not from the area so who would know......
The you get home, lock the bike up, cover it and have dinner thinking no more of it, with the embarrassment finally subsiding.
Then you get a PM, from the bloke that served you and helped you start the bike - HOLDUP!
Thanks Fella.
I am such a pr&t!
;)
Arghhh I'm at it again, being a pr&t!
ArtyLady
17-01-10, 12:15 AM
Arghhh I'm at it again, being a pr&t!
No you're not! it's Second-Person Narration :cool:
ThEGr33k
17-01-10, 12:39 AM
Mine dont have a choke, it has a fast idle thing which is similar to choke in that you need (or some throttle) it to start the bike when cold, basically a manual version of what an ECU usually does on a FI engine... that is it opens the throttle a little to allow more air in at start up.
I guess there are still a few carb'd bikes that do have true chokes though.
dizzyblonde
17-01-10, 09:45 AM
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Alpinestarhero
17-01-10, 01:14 PM
Ah, chokes. The only downside to carbs
but its not really a downside, because you control how long the mixture is rich for, hopefully for less than what EFI would have it as
Alpinestarhero
17-01-10, 01:15 PM
Mine dont have a choke, it has a fast idle thing which is similar to choke in that you need (or some throttle) it to start the bike when cold, basically a manual version of what an ECU usually does on a FI engine... that is it opens the throttle a little to allow more air in at start up.
I guess there are still a few carb'd bikes that do have true chokes though.
fast idle lever? my dads gsxr600 had one, he called me a plonker when i was 14 and said "shall i pull the choke lever?"
yorkie_chris
17-01-10, 01:17 PM
Yeah the first injected ones had that. Just moves a little cam on the linkage to open the throttles a bit.
Alpinestarhero
17-01-10, 01:20 PM
thought so, some of the first 800cc VFR's have them aswell, i want my next bike to be EFI and i was a little miffed to think that i'd have to be giving an EFI bike "choke", but if its just a lever holding the throttle open then thats ok :D in any case it should make for easier starting
xXBADGERXx
17-01-10, 01:42 PM
When I first got my pointy I looked at the bike for the Choke/Fast Idle and the salesman said "It`s Fuel Injection mate , all controlled by the computer" ..... so with that I went to the local Garage and filled up , Bike won`t start at all . I had 2 friends with me and they were saying things like "Oh man , you bought a Dud" . I was 500 yards away from the dealers and pushed it back , sweating like a glassblowers ar$e . I get there and the salesman holds the clutch lever in and starts the bike up .................... My ears were glowing for hours .
fail.......................................... jezuz u had to get holdup to start your bike.
I get there and the salesman holds the clutch lever in and starts the bike up .................... My ears were glowing for hours .
I never did work that out with the pointy, why is that the case and not with any other bike I have seen? It never caught me out thought - PHEW!
fail.......................................... jezuz u had to get holdup to start your bike.
Erm yeah FAIL, then I pulled away and the petrol light came on straight away so I had the panic of trying to find a petrol station in a town I don't know. Especially as the CBF is bigger and heavier than my bike!
jimmy4237
17-01-10, 05:13 PM
Yep, my old dinosaur ZX9R has a choke, and a fuel tap. I like the bike too much to change it - can't find anything else out there that has the everyday practicality, storage room and outright performance for the money
Back in the early 90's I took a Brank spanking ZXR400 out on a test ride in Newcastle. I had it for the day.
About three hours later I ended up in a little town in the middle of nowhere and stopped for lunch.
After lunch I got on it and set off for the dealership. It stalled. So I set off again! It stalled. In fact, every time I put it in gear it stalled.
It took about an hour to find out the bike had a side stand switch!! The first time I'd been on a bike that had one. Every time I put it in gear it cut out and oh how I felt stooopid! Especially with the crowd that had gathered to look at the sexy new bike!
:)
holdup's a right nob isn't he ;)
fail.......................................... jezuz u had to get holdup to start your bike.
Shut up
The you get home, lock the bike up, cover it and have dinner thinking no more of it, with the embarrassment finally subsiding.
:o
Erm yeah FAIL, then I pulled away and the petrol light came on straight away so I had the panic of trying to find a petrol station in a town I don't know. Especially as the CBF is bigger and heavier than my bike!
I cant be held responsible for that :wink:
Wanna know the best bit? I rode Kevs bike :D
craigs23
17-01-10, 05:42 PM
Ah, chokes. The only downside to carbs
but its not really a downside, because you control how long the mixture is rich for, hopefully for less than what EFI would have it as
What about carb icing?
Alpinestarhero
17-01-10, 05:45 PM
What about carb icing?
true...but that sems to only happen on really really cooool and humid days. I've only had it here and there this winter season
it is another reason why EFI is good though. My dad was lording it up over me a couple of weeks back; i was faffing about getting my SV started (took some cranking and stuff) and he wheeled out his GSXR (not been used for a month up to that point). hit the button, engine fired instantly
but mine is louder
Wanna know the best bit? I rode Kevs bike :D
hope you gave it a good humping....
Ouch £182 for my service, mind you I did need rear pads as they were on metal...
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 02:33 PM
Frigginell, there's a reason to do stuff yourself there!
Yeah but as you know - I'm rubbish at doing it.
Although last week I tried to get a Haynes Manual for my bike so I could start doing stuff and they don't make one and according to them have no intention of doing so...
At least if I had a manual I could start doing stuff with a small amount of know-how. I did oil changes on my SV but it was all there in the open, not so simple looking on the CBR.
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 02:47 PM
Factory manual?
http://www.carlsalter.com/motorcycle-manuals.asp
'Av a gander there.
I looked at haynes as I thought they were Mechanics for Dummies?
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 02:52 PM
Not really. Haynes tends to say "unscrew and remove" a lot. Which tends to interpret to "find it's siezed solid, batter it with a hammer, find out there's a circlip/pin/more fasteners they didn't mention, heat it up... eventually break it. Then find out you could have gone in the other way"
Was it a minor service? You tend to find sportsbikes easy to work on because of the racing roots. Early K GSXRs you can strip down to check the valves in like 20 minutes.
Factory manual?
http://www.carlsalter.com/motorcycle-manuals.asp
'Av a gander there.
Mine's not there, well I couldn't see it.
CBR 600 RR 07
It was only an oil service and check over, I also had the rear pads done. Which I'm sure if I had the tools and know how (oh and confidence) I could do.
Especailly as it is now out of warranty.
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 02:58 PM
There is 03 one there, won't be that different.
Start by getting comfortable taking fairings off, wheels off etc. if you want to clean and ACF50 stuff.
You keep it outside right?
Yes mate.
I naturally assumed it would be a totally different beast.
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 03:03 PM
Most painless way IMO is to start on small jobs where you can prepare most of all the parts/tools for any contingencies and make a planned attack on it.
Rather than like I did when I was about 12 with half a toolkit LOLGetting your turds countersunk every 4000 miles is mental, and that was a MINOR service?! Buying tools will pay for themselves in one service at that rate.
On the SV I fitted a hugger, tail tidy etc, but for some reason it seemed a bit easier than it looks on the CBR so I was confident enough to try.
yorkie_chris
18-01-10, 04:27 PM
Start simple, checking what the dealer has done. Look in the back of the calipers, are the pistons looking freshly greased and clean?
Oh PS there's some class info on the CBRRR and lots of other really useful stuff here http://www.peterverdonedesigns.com/index2.htm
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