David Kelly post mortem - results witheld for 70 years.

[Sid Squid]

As you may recall the Hutton Enquiry was brought about by the death of Dr David Kelly, who was exposed as the source of information passed to Andrew Gilligan of the BBC which suggested the government had 'sexed up' the dossier which claimed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that they could be used at very short notice.
The Hutton Enquiry cleared the government of any improper action, and strongly critcised the BBC which resulted in the resignation of the director general, Gavyn Davies, and chairman, Greg Dyke.
Now you may or may not believe the enquiry's findings, but what possible reason is there for witholding the post mortem results? Surely this can only boost the feeling that the enquiry's results were improperly influenced. If Dr Kelly took his own life the results of the post mortem may not confirm that, but couldn't contradict it.

Link to story (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245599/David-Kelly-post-mortem-kept-secret-70-years-doctors-accuse-Lord-Hutton-concealing-vital-information.html)

[Bibio]

and what happened to the freedom of information act?

typical government do what they want....... stuff the man in the street.

[Bri w]

Could be the family have asked for them to be kept private... just a thought.

That wouldn't stop the authorities acting on anything something suspicious, assuming you trust the authorities.

[sunshine]

not even the family are allowed access to it, some lord is keeping it private for 70 years to make sure all concerned are dead. they need another doctor to look over the findings and say if they should be released, or dig david kelly up and redo the post mortem.

[Biker Biggles]

Could be the family have asked for them to be kept private... just a thought.

That wouldn't stop the authorities acting on anything something suspicious, assuming you trust the authorities.



"Trust the authorities"
I see the org sense of humour is alive and well:smt023

[Spiderman]

70yrs? SEVENTY FEKING YEARS?!?!?!?!?!? Most information that is "sensitive" and classified for some reason is only kept closed for 30yrs usually, so why does the post mortem on someone who committed suicide need to be kept secret for so long?

Is it possibly cos he didnt kill himself :roll: I'll give you 2 guesses.

is it because there are names of people who first attended the scene to "clean up" and then left before the police were allowed to be called an notified?
Is it cos secret shadowy figures needed to go to his house and confiscate certain documents he mau have had copies of and at the same time threaten his wife and kids with the same fate should they open thier mouths?

The whole thing stinks. The doctors who are chaising this, and thank god for them doing so, have always maintained that he could not have killed himself in this way on his own as the act of cutting in deep enough to reach the ulnar artery would be so painful that a person could not do it to themselves. Hence why most suicide where people slit their wrists is done in a slashing manner across the small veins visible under the skin. And also most people who kill themselves this way know its slow and hence they do it in a bath full of water to help them bleed out faster, not in the woods on their own.

Dont forget this man was privvy to some very sensitive weapons info, not just for Saddam but for this country and the UN too. This means by its very nature his work is secret. Hence he also has a handler in both MI5 & MI6 to oversee his work and secide what needs to be passed on etc.
So did one of his handlers call him and say "we need to meet to talk about this issue of the leak" hence they met in the woods, then out come the goons and hold him down while making a cut to possible insert some toxic agent into his blood to kill him quickly and with little outward signs of blood? is this why all the info about his death needs to be kept quiet...cos it''ll show what lengths the powers that be went to to make sure he was kep quiet too.

The whole thing stunk at the start and like a rotting bit of fish its now stinking more than ever and making me sick to my stomach.

And this is what they call a democracy is it? or is it a totalitarian govt who can use any excuse they like to hide their own lies and evil deeds?

Hay Govt...you say it often enough yourselves....if you got nothing to fear then you got nothing to hide. But clearly somehting needs to be hidden for 70yrs to ensure all those who took part in the cover up and will be dead and hence uncountable for their disgusting actions.

[Richie]

We're All Doomed !... I tell Ye.
http://home.btconnect.com/rdi/frazer.jpg

...

[Sid Squid]

splenetic exasperation
Zig, you articulate my feelings better than I can myself.

I calmed down a bit before I started this thread though.

Did you hear/see Alistair Campbell at the Chilcot the other day? Now this is just a feeling you understand, but I don't think that man was being completely honest.

[Spiderman]

Zig, you articulate my feelings better than I can myself.

I calmed down a bit before I started this thread though.

Did you hear/see Alistair Campbell at the Chilcot the other day? Now this is just a feeling you understand, but I don't think that man was being completely honest.


I get very wound up over this poor mans death, VERY.

Glad i wasn't at the inquiry as i'd have rushed that Campbell character and punched him till he told the truth.

Perhaps we should allow the enquiry to waterboard the individuals who the public feel are not telling all they know, after all its not torture is it and we (as a country, not you and i) condone its use on our enemies.
So why not on enemies within, enemies of the truth?

I cant wait for the smarm-meister himself our old friend Mr Tory bLiar to get on the stand, be pussy footed around, not asked any real deep or searching questions and once again be allowed to say "i am the messiah, i did it cos it was right" cos right by his murderously criminal standards makes it acceptable. Obviously.

God you've got me going now. I'm sitting here seething!

Good thread :lol:

[Sid Squid]

God you've got me going now. I'm sitting here seething!
And we should ALL be following your example - we should All be asking very deep and searching questions about this and a hundred other things.

Good thread :lol:
Ooh! I got lots more that would really wind you up, but not now - I fear for your blood pressure already.

[Spiderman]

And we should ALL be following your example - we should All be asking very deep and searching questions about this and a hundred other things.


Ooh! I got lots more that would really wind you up, but not now - I fear for your blood pressure already.

:oops: Aw shucks, i wish i did more than just get anry about it. But what more can we as a populace do but be angry?

Answers on a postcard please.

And post away with your other stuff my friend. I've got a gret game on PS3 i can use to get rid of some of mu frustratins and hence lower the blood pressure.

*wonders if he can justify the NHS paying for his PS3 games as an "alternative therapy" to stress and blood pressure relief*

I wish more people would get wound up about this tho. A bunch of idiot muslims wamt to march thru a towna nd the thread goes on and on. But when its your own govt shafting you it seems no ones interested.

People, imagine MUSLIMS or IMMIGRANTS especially illegal ones had killed David Kelly and were giving half answers to an inquiry about a war. WOudl that get you more wound up i wonder?

Does this pic change your mind about who the real enemy to you is?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_T0Q3xR4Xrr4/SVT_YGSpJHI/AAAAAAAAJQw/880ulkwvJXc/s400/Taliban_Bush_by_TheBlueWizard.jpg

[Richie]

Hopefully someone will leek the official documents from the Weapons of mass destruction Private Enquiry.

but I very much dought it.

[Warthog]

What a farce! I could get quite wound up about this too, but what can the average man in the street do? Short of organising a protest in London every week with more than a million people (see how well the march against the Iraq war worked :() until they come clean, what can we do?

[Bri w]

I think its pretty obvious to everyone that ALL the political parties are bent, lying, colluding, conniving self serving rip off merchants of the first water. And would say pretty much anything to stay in/ get in power. The expenses scandel was so widespread and so basic you'd have to have an IQ of 1 not to understand what our politicians are really like.

Dr David Kelly was most likely murdered. Princess Di was most likely murdered. WMD most certainly didn't exist. The 'war' dossier was most likely 'sexed' up. But until someone tells the truth you have 'plausible denyability'.

But don't worry, there will be no university tuition fees, and there will be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty ---- sorry, they've already been proven liars on those two.

Over half the current Cabinet are Lords. Are they answerable to Parliament? They aren't allowed in the House of Commons so how can they be questioned.

Does the current Govt/incoming party want Dr Kelly's postmortem in the public domain? No, because that would lead to why did we collude with America to start an illegal war. And having raised that one it wouldn't be a huge step to seeing our (bent) politicians before the Courts in the Hague.

We elected those politicians and we, via our taxes, would end up paying the war reparations when, not if, they were found guilty.

And relax 2,3,4...

[Spiderman]

We elected those politicians and we, via our taxes, would end up paying the war reparations when, not if, they were found guilty.

And relax 2,3,4...

Good post.

You make a good point about our taxes too. There is a group out there who have taken it so far that they are refusing to pay their taxes to Govt at all. Their idealogy is that since Tory bLiar lied about the reasons for war and has warrants outstanding against him for war crimes charges we who pay our taxes and thus financially support an illegal war are therfore colluding with the govt by giving our money knowing to a war criminal and an ongoing illegal war.

I'll try and find the link to their site later as they obviously explain it better than i do. the fun thing is you have to ask your employer to stop your taxes going to Govt so they have letters you can download to give to them. And in the letter it says things like "now hthat you are aware of this fact i would urge you as the direct/fd/md to also withold your taxes and urge you to notify the rest of the company"
Gotta have some big cajones to give a letter like that to your boss, lol.

[Ed]

I hope that someone brings a judicial review of this.

It's truly shocking. There might of course be a good (and lawful) reason, but I can't think of anything. It stinks of a cover up, someone is anxious for some particularly difficult truths to remain hidden, hoping that in 70 years nobody will care. After all, what were you doing in 1940????

Even if it is all above board, why the secrecy about the 70 year order? And why make the order in the first place? And on whose directions?

It's blatantly corrupt.

We are being treated as idiots and Sid and Spidey, I join you in the spleen camp.

[Spiderman]

I hope that someone brings a judicial review of this.


Being the man who knows about legal things Ed, who would have the power to do this?

us mere plebs or someone from the establishment itself?

[Ed]

Anyone with a genuine interest. Anyone really, as the matter is one of public interest. You, even:D Most likely a stop the war group or some such.

TBH I'm outraged. I thought that this sort of covert secrecy had ended years ago, and to think that Brown and his homies must have known. 'Oh yes we're going to be open with you and tell the truth' - this doesn't seem a very good start.

What I come back to is that somebody died. There was a body, and a funeral. A family lost a husband and a father. The country lost a hugely respected and intelligent man. And the Executive have tried to hush it up. I wonder what else is going to crawl out of the woodwork. I remember that interview on the Today programme and being utterly shocked, thinking 'how could this be true'. Sid you are right to remind us of the Hutton enquiry. It cost Gavyn Davies his career but Dr Kelly is now dead. Will they stop at nothing.

[jambo]

70 years!?

I'm speechless. There should be an open and clear enquiry, except in the circumstances that it uncovers some truths we'd rather remain buried.

I feel a sense of total despair that at the upcoming elections I'm essentially going to have to vote for someone. I'm going to have to put a little cross next to a name and say "That person can be trusted to represent me". Because that's a lie. Party politics has given us a nothing of a choice.

Jambo

[ophic]

Of course if you're really suspicious, you might think that there is nothing odd about all this, and that in fact it was made secret for 70 years to distract the conspiracy theorists away from something else. A deliberate double bluff, in effect.

[neio79]

you slag the government off, and reveal things they dont want realeasing then its simples, men in black combat gear are gonna come calling at night for you :wink:

[Grinch]

you slag the government off, and reveal things they dont want realeasing then its simples, men in black combat gear are gonna come calling at night for you :wink:

Cool, I can compare holsters then.

[CoolGirl]

What's really worrying me is that surely the Coroner, should have had access to the autopsy report in order to determine the cause of death.

(and we discussed this at home on Saturday night, so going on facts about the process here).

[Spiderman]

What's really worrying me is that surely the Coroner, should have had access to the autopsy report in order to determine the cause of death.

(and we discussed this at home on Saturday night, so going on facts about the process here).

Well in their infinite wisdom they used the Coroners Act to justify that the Hutton whitewash, sorry it was called an "inquiry" wasn't it :roll: was also sufficient to serve as the coroners inquest too. they saw they medical reports and decided they needed to hide that stuff for 70yrs lest they show their own dirty hand being involved.

[CoolGirl]

Well in their infinite wisdom they used the Coroners Act to justify that the Hutton whitewash, sorry it was called an "inquiry" wasn't it :roll: was also sufficient to serve as the coroners inquest too. they saw they medical reports and decided they needed to hide that stuff for 70yrs lest they show their own dirty hand being involved.


Ah, I see :-|

[Sid Squid]

you slag the government off, and reveal things they dont want realeasing then its simples, men in black combat gear are gonna come calling at night for you :wink:
I'm not sure what you're getting at here - is it:

A. You think it would be OK for the government to 'silence' dissent by any means.
B. You think it's a bit rubbish - but inevitable - the state does what the state does and we shouldn't argue.
C. You're as disappointed as the rest of us.

Please don't think I'm being argumentative, I genuinely don't know what you're getting at.

[Spiderman]

Well i too was hoping for an answer to your question Squidler but since Neio has either not seen this or chosen not to answer, let me add some positive news to this saga.

Seems like the good doctors are not gonna let this one lie... http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/27/hutton-gagging-order-david-kelly