Conspiracy

[rpwoodman]

Do you think the government has people who will bump "troublesome" people off (David Kelly, Lady Di etc) if required?

I'm not talking special forces going to distant lands to attack Al Queda (for example, tho I'm not sure what the real difference is) for denyable operations (presumably the SAS/SBS were doing more than twiddling their tumbs for the year before Al Queda popped up)

[Owenski]

Doubtless!
If I were in power I'd certainly have a hit squad

[Rai86]

Yeh they must to. Always have... think its tradition with governments

[RichT]

I don't think the government has, but I do think the Royal family does.

We've a history of King's killing their other halves when thing's aren't going right.

[rpwoodman]

Doubtless!
If I were in power I'd certainly have a hit squad

:-) When a coup takes place, you get some great nutters coming in - Amin, Turkmenbashi etc, tho on the downside, people do suffer because of it.

[AndyBrad]

ahhhh probably,


im the one wearing the tin foil hat in the corner :)

[dizzyblonde]

They're all in secret clubs of course they do!

[El Saxo]

Don't reply to this thread or they'll come and get you too!!

They won't get me though, I'm wearing my tin foil hat... :smt023

[squirrel_hunter]

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[neio79]

err yep with out a shadow of a doubt.

[the_lone_wolf]

Of course, one of the assassins was called "Dangerous Dave"

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;)

[Biker Biggles]

err yep with out a shadow of a doubt.

Indeed they do.
Mostly it is done through "natural causes"so no one ever even suspects that anything happened,but sometimes it can get messy.I suspect Dr Kelly falls into that catagory.:mad:

[rpwoodman]

I'm actually quite surprised by the balance of result.
I guess it could be down to the people who took the time to respond, or the sort of person who buys a Suzuki, or something else entirely. I wonder if the same balance is seen in the general public.

Interesting tho.

[Mogs]

No. Think of all the annoying people still out there.

[wyrdness]

I doubt it, as there's a lot of people around who would otherwise have been bumped off.

And if it did happen, then I'm certain that it would have been leaked by someone by now.

It's only in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

[Biker Biggles]

Im sure its not a matter of going round bumping off anyone who is a bit of a nuisance rather one or two people who pose a real and present danger to the "establishment".
Even then,most of these can be bought off or silenced by threats rather than actually bumping them off,but once in a while you get someone of real integrity who also has the power to undermine the power fabric of our society.They will stop at nothing to silence that person.

[beabert]

Watching too many films

[Spiderman]

i'm genuinely surprised by those of you who think this is some kind of conspiracy theory or something an active imagination only believes in.

Go read some books and educate yourselves on this subject. No govt in the world can survive without having secretive hitmen. Its a simple fact that has been documented time and time again throughout history.

Why would you think current govt woudld reverse such a trend is what i want to know.

[Bri w]

In simple terms, if there was nowt to hide why have 'private' inquiries and 70yr orders?

Or should we all just shout, "he's behind you."

[Mej]

I think they do, on the sly, if i was in power i would!

[neio79]

i'm genuinely surprised by those of you who think this is some kind of conspiracy theory or something an active imagination only believes in.

Go read some books and educate yourselves on this subject. No govt in the world can survive without having secretive hitmen. Its a simple fact that has been documented time and time again throughout history.

Why would you think current govt woudld reverse such a trend is what i want to know.

+1, bearing in mind our government is even more secrative than the Yanks.

[beabert]

i'm genuinely surprised by those of you who think this is some kind of conspiracy theory or something an active imagination only believes in.

Go read some books and educate yourselves on this subject. No govt in the world can survive without having secretive hitmen. Its a simple fact that has been documented time and time again throughout history.

Why would you think current govt woudld reverse such a trend is what i want to know. could you document some examples of the british government doing this in modern times and i will have a read, as i wouldnt know where to start.

[Lozzo]

I don't really care of they do or they don't because it's very unlikely to affect me or my loved ones. If they do, then fair play to them as long as it's used for the right reasons. If they don't, then they must be about the only major player in the world who doesn't.

[Spiderman]

could you document some examples of the british government doing this in modern times and i will have a read, as i wouldnt know where to start.

You still doing your old skool quoting aint ya? ;)

Anyhoo, as a good example of how these things work and how govts try to keep themselves at arms length from it, even tho they got the ball rolling in the first place, try and find the documentary that Ch4 aired recently about Simon Mann and his coup attempt. I think it was called The Trial Of Simon Mann or something similar and you may find it on the Ch4 website perhaps.


Alternatively go into any good bookshop and look under MI5/6 topics and you'll find plenty, i just cant think of a title off the top of my head accept The Secret Wars, which to be honest with you i found a rambling and badly written history of the spy services of the UK and the US. the book itself could have been half as long if it didnt ramble all over the place and repeat itself in various chapters.

[Spiderman]

If they do, then fair play to them as long as it's used for the right reasons.

Its very likely "they" killed David Kelly as a current example, would you are that it was for the right reasons, tho?

The reasons being he was about to say their whole basis for invading a country was a lie.

Now "they" will say it was right cos it was in the country's best interests but would you agree that whats good for the country in "their" view is also the right thing?

[Biker Biggles]

Well here we are a month on and it seems Mossad have been caught with pants down doing just what no civilised modern nation can possibly admit to.I can just imagine the hypocrisy of todays conversation between the Israeli ambassador and the British foriegn office gofer.
Brit bloke-----Morning Sir---Tea?----Bit of a c0ck up in Dubai eh?
Israel bloke----Stick it where the sun dont go.You dont always get it right.
Brit bloke-----OK OK.Could you possibly use French or Italian passports next time though?Or at least not so many British ones.
Israel bloke----I'll set the defamation league on you if you dont stop giving me a hard time.Now p1ss off.

[rpwoodman]

Yeah, I can see the US/UK extradition treaty all over again.

[davepreston]

simply yes ,they are called the MI5 and MI6
next question

[thulfi]

Of course not, Dale Winton's still alive.

Altho seriously, MI5 if someone in England is annoying, MI6 for the foreign 'hits'. Obviously that's not all they do, but covert operations and hits are a fundamental of any society that wants to stand a chance of survival in this country.

It is like the inevitability of war. Countries don't always fight just wars, and the probably don't always make just hits either, but its all in the name of said countries own survival.

Just imagine the conspiracies out there we dont even know about.

[TazDaz]

Well here we are a month on and it seems Mossad have been caught with pants down doing just what no civilised modern nation can possibly admit to.I can just imagine the hypocrisy of todays conversation between the Israeli ambassador and the British foriegn office gofer.
Brit bloke-----Morning Sir---Tea?----Bit of a c0ck up in Dubai eh?
Israel bloke----Stick it where the sun dont go.You dont always get it right.
Brit bloke-----OK OK.Could you possibly use French or Italian passports next time though?Or at least not so many British ones.
Israel bloke----I'll set the defamation league on you if you dont stop giving me a hard time.Now p1ss off.

Isreal have been quick to say that there is no evidence to link them to the killing...although I suspect it is more of a case that they have made sure there is no evidence to find! :rolleyes:

[Spiderman]

Well here we are a month on and it seems Mossad have been caught with pants down doing just what no civilised modern nation can possibly admit to.I can just imagine the hypocrisy of todays conversation between the Israeli ambassador and the British foriegn office gofer.
Brit bloke-----Morning Sir---Tea?----Bit of a c0ck up in Dubai eh?
Israel bloke----Stick it where the sun dont go.You dont always get it right.
Brit bloke-----OK OK.Could you possibly use French or Italian passports next time though?Or at least not so many British ones.
Israel bloke----I'll set the defamation league on you if you dont stop giving me a hard time.Now p1ss off.

Brilliant and probably almost word for word correct too. You know it and so do i.

Does anyone know why the govt is ACTUALLY peed off about the british passports btw? I mean the real reason they are making all this noise about it in public?

Its simply cos this type of operation is usually carried out after allies are informed of the plans. In case the target is a deep double agent to one of the allies or if the allies would rather he was left for a bit longer to seal another operational deal.
The reaons the brits are peed of about the passports being forged is that the Isaerlis did this all alone and without telling MI6 of their plans. Usualy protocal means that MI6 would provide them with the passports so they would not be spotted as forgeries and thus scupper the op.
Something has gone on that made israel say to the brits "we're not playing with you anymore" hence no passports were supplied covertly to the team carrying out the hit.

Historically allies provide real docs to use as you wont let a well planned op fail cos of a bad forgery.

[keith_d]

Isreal have been quick to say that there is no evidence to link them to the killing...although I suspect it is more of a case that they have made sure there is no evidence to find! :rolleyes:

Israel has a policy of not admitting or denying anything, so their enemies never know whether something was an accident or a Mossad hit.

I find it hard to imagine that Mossad really needed a team of 11 for this, so I can only imagine they're making a publicity point. Something along the lines of "anytime anyplace any where..."

Keith.

[Spiderman]

well they usually use a helicopter gunship and air to ground missiles for their "targeted assassinations", crimes which are against all international laws btw,hence their policy of ambiguity on the subject.

[punyXpress]

Scenario:
A: Passports are genuine ones ' lost ' by H.M.Gov ( or their agents )
B: If you were an Israeli sanctioning this, would you trust H.M.Gov not to ' lose ' details given ?