Garden sheds.

[FG1]

Going to be getting a couple of new sheds soon. Been looking around and have noticed that there are shiplap and overlap....

Can anybody tell me the pros and cons of each ......

[kwak zzr]

shiplap loads betta and more expencive, overlap (feather edge) is the cheapo version, downsides of feather edge is its not made as well because it just overlaps like roof tiles when the weather gets to it and the timber warps they get drafty inside, plus points are they are cheap.

shiplap overlaps same but fits betta, best option is tounge and groove.

[embee]

http://www.cornishwoodland.co.uk/products/architectural/150mm_rounded_Shiplap_000.gif

Shiplap is pretty common for sheds, better than overlap. If it's of decent thickness than it's as good as anything. It won't be as thick as that shown in the picture, mind. The tongue/groove sheds I've seen use pretty thin material usually.

The biggest problem usually is the absence of diagonal bracing, they tend to rely on the nailed boards to provide stability, which of course they don't. Then the shed ends up feeling like a cardboard box, all wibbly.

The base the shed stands on is as important as anything, plenty of supports for the floor bearers and a decent airgap for ventilation to avoid rot. Block pavers are ideal (cheaper than engineering bricks).

[454697819]

tongue and groove is the way to go.. check out these guys of ebay, mate used them and they are spot on, ill be using them too in a couple of months

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130360093553&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Specialone]

The problem with both is they are generally made when the wood is still wet and not settled properly, so even shiplap will move all over the place.
I bought one 2 years back for £200 and its crap, next time i will build my own, i didnt last time cos i was too lazy.

[Wideboy]

shiplap is the way to go

a shed made of pine will never last and a cheap ones are never seasoned properly or treated correctly, best way is to buy un-treated and DIY..... if they were treated properly you'd be paying for it :lol:. Pine is a softwood, softwoods are **** for exterior use, if anything hemlock is better that pine.

if you really want a shed to last use green oak :lol: :smt023:rolleyes:

[Wideboy]

tongue and groove is the way to go.. check out these guys of ebay, mate used them and they are spot on, ill be using them too in a couple of months

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130360093553&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

T&G is good at stopping twists, but like special one said if its not treated properly you'll have problems, if t&g expands with will split the timber, with pine you'll then be in a hole world of problems :lol:. shiplap can twist but it can accommodate expansion

[454697819]

shiplap is the way to go

a shed made of pine will never last and a cheap ones are never seasoned properly or treated correctly, best way is to buy un-treated and DIY..... if they were treated properly you'd be paying for it :lol:. Pine is a softwood, softwoods are **** for exterior use, if anything hemlock is better that pine.

if you really want a shed to destroy your bank balance use green oak :lol: :smt023:rolleyes:

fixed for you

If you really want one that lasts build it from blocks :-0

[Wideboy]

aye its not that dear........ local council love to give it away

[speedplay]

softwoods are **** for exterior use, if anything hemlock is better that pine.



One word for you...

Cedar*










The exception to the rule ;)

[phil24_7]

aye its not that dear........ local council love to give it away

Really? You should start up an enterprise by selling it, oh, and as a fee for the idea, you can send me some! lol

[Wideboy]

One word for you...

Cedar*










The exception to the rule ;)

dont get me on technicalities ;) thats like balsa, person who wrote them rules needs their head looking at :lol:

Really? You should start up an enterprise by selling it, oh, and as a fee for the idea, you can send me some! lol

its not me that nicks it, the idiots leave it ouside and wonder why it goes walkys :rolleyes:........ i just rob my timber from work :smt023

[phil24_7]

Where do they leave it? I have a large van! lol

[Wideboy]

need bigger that you vivaro mate.... 4mtr lengths :smt023

[phil24_7]

LWB Merc Sprinter or a LWB Fiat Ducato, hell, I can even get my hands on a LWB pick up or 7.5 tonner! lol

[CheGuevara]

One word for you...

Cedar*

The exception to the rule ;)

Same thing crossed my mind, and it's what I'd use if I was cladding a shed. My dad built his house about 36 years ago, clad it entirely in untreated cedar. It sat like that in the rain, sun, and seaside air for about 25 years before they finally decided to stain it grey -and that was just to even out the sun-bleached tones as it was going up for sale. It's still going strong.

[Owenski]

Just a question, why are you buying a couple of timber sheds? If your needing a larger storage space why not build a block work one to your required spec.

I did that and it saved a bloody fortune over the alternatives. Plus depending on your council you shouldnt even need planning for it.

[Wideboy]

Same thing crossed my mind, and it's what I'd use if I was cladding a shed. My dad built his house about 36 years ago, clad it entirely in untreated cedar. It sat like that in the rain, sun, and seaside air for about 25 years before they finally decided to stain it grey -and that was just to even out the sun-bleached tones as it was going up for sale. It's still going strong.

back years ago cedar used to be used in the construction of sheds and outdoor structures because of its oiliness, its not commonly used today because of the price, im no expert on timber pricing but at today's rates i'd say the price of cedar was probably up there with teak. Its certainly alot more expensive than oak

smells nice aswell :smt023

[CheGuevara]

im no expert on timber pricing but at today's rates i'd say the price of cedar was probably up there with teak.

Yikes. Back home it's be the oak that would be ridiculously expensive (teak as well of course). Cedar is not bad at all price-wise. Vinyl siding is used on most newer homes, but cedar is still a popular option for roof shingles, decking, and sheds etc. In the 70s and 80s it was common to see internal walls or ceilings finished in rough or planed cedar t&g.

[Wideboy]

its import that bumps prices up, knower days you have to be licensed to import certain timbers, depending on what license you have and how many others had it you can effectively charge what you like

sadly its that and the cost of living that's destroying the trade

[Owenski]

timber pre-fabs were rediculas prices when I looked, hence going for a masonry building much bigger than what I could have gotten for the same size in timber.

[speedplay]

back years ago cedar used to be used in the construction of sheds and outdoor structures because of its oiliness, its not commonly used today because of the price, im no expert on timber pricing but at today's rates i'd say the price of cedar was probably up there with teak. Its certainly alot more expensive than oak

smells nice aswell :smt023



Have you ever been to Milton keynes...?

Theres tonnes of the stuff used there.

I know of 4 schools I have built that have it as the exterior cladding, 2 or 3 estates I've worked on that use it as panels on the side elevations etc..

Serious mileage of the stuff.


And how on earth can you like the smell?!

Dry, dusty and smells like cats p*ss..:rolleyes:

[454697819]

Have you ever been to Milton keynes...?

Theres tonnes of the stuff used there.

I know of 4 schools I have built that have it as the exterior cladding, 2 or 3 estates I've worked on that use it as panels on the side elevations etc..

Serious mileage of the stuff.


And how on earth can you like the smell?!

Dry, dusty and smells like cats p*ss..:rolleyes:

cladded a couple of builds with it too, its expensive and i dont like the look, I do like the smell though too.

[Wideboy]

Have you ever been to Milton keynes...?

Theres tonnes of the stuff used there.

I know of 4 schools I have built that have it as the exterior cladding, 2 or 3 estates I've worked on that use it as panels on the side elevations etc..

Serious mileage of the stuff.


And how on earth can you like the smell?!

Dry, dusty and smells like cats p*ss..:rolleyes:

I wouldnt say it was dry, Oaks drier than cedar thats why it splits

[beabert]

If i ever buy a shed, the top priority for me is that it is spider proof!

[Sir Trev]

If i ever buy a shed, the top priority for me is that it is spider proof!

Eh?

Part of the fun of all sheds is delving in the corner for something that's fallen behind something else and never being sure if your hand will come back out of the gloom with a new friend on it.