UNIX (AIX) job in London [Archive] - SV650.org

Grinch

29-01-10, 03:57 PM

I've been asked about a job role in my place that's come up, is predominantly AIX but also Linux and Solaris. Some experience of HACMP, Sun Cluster, VMware would also be useful.

fastdruid

29-01-10, 04:30 PM

*spits*
AIX, unix witten by space aliens who were told about how it was meant to work second hand.

Druid

L3nny

29-01-10, 05:58 PM

GayIX you say?

fastdruid

29-01-10, 06:01 PM

GayIX you say?

LOL, not just me that calls it that then. :)

AIX, because SMIT happens.

Druid

L3nny

29-01-10, 06:03 PM

LOL, not just me that calls it that then. :)

AIX, because SMIT happens.

Druid

Haha, geekiest joke I ever heard.

fastdruid

29-01-10, 06:48 PM

Haha, geekiest joke I ever heard.

If you understand it you're already a lost cause! :)

Druid

Grinch

29-01-10, 07:38 PM

Err ok, it pays good money.

TSM

29-01-10, 11:07 PM

Naa no AIX or solaris for me. Grr.
Poo.

SoulKiss

30-01-10, 10:30 AM

I've been asked about a job role in my place that's come up, is predominantly AIX but also Linux and Solaris. Some experience of HACMP, Sun Cluster, VMware would also be useful.

I havent used EEX for years - although I DID do a course once - we used it at Commercial Union...

Same with Solaris, I got a couple of Sun boxes to play with Slowaris, but they turned out to be junk/storage heaters...

I do however have Linux and VMWare.

I am also looking for a job, so Grinchy-baby, so PM me to let me know any/all details.

fizzwheel

30-01-10, 12:09 PM

I am also looking for a job, so Grinchy-baby, so PM me to let me know any/all details.

As might I be shortly. I dont meet that skill set unfortunately, but I would be interested in anything Windows / Vmware related if anything comes up...

Grinch

31-01-10, 11:18 PM

Most of the Windows and VMware stuff is picked up by the teams in Belgium, though I do get a weekly e-mail of jobs that appear so I will keep my eye out.
At the end of the day people might hate AIX, Sorlaris or anything else, but it pays my bills and lots of Banks use it which is still where the money is if you want to get paid well. Plus I don't just do AIX, I've worked on Dynix many years ago, HP-UX and more recently Solaris and Redhat. Lost track of the things that I've done that are no longer used, and changed with the times, through the SAP boom and the bordom that was the Menilium bug scare, plus lots of other things.

31-01-10, 11:47 PM

I gotta be entirely honest here.

I haven't a clue what you're talking about:lol:

fastdruid

31-01-10, 11:49 PM

LOL, I get paid to support AIX, UNIX (SINIX, UnixWare, Solaris etc) , Linux (predominantly SuSE), Windows, ESX etc etc etc. This is why I can slate AIX for being bloody awkward. :)

Actually even worse than that I also get paid to support COBOL[1] running on UNIX & Linux.

Druid

[1] You (well not you but some people) would be amazed at how much still runs on COBOL.

Grinch

31-01-10, 11:50 PM

Funny I never found it awkward, Solaris on the other had I find a right pain.

fastdruid

01-02-10, 12:00 AM

Funny I never found it awkward, Solaris on the other had I find a right pain.

Depends where you start, I started initially on Sun boxes, really started sysadmin on SINIX[1] and SCO while playing with Linux and AIX is just annoyingly different from everything I'd worked with and got used to previously. Never really grown to like it.

Druid

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SINIX on one of these
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1257/1322941201_7a5e283066.jpg

Still running two of them as well. I'm possibly now the countries leading expert on the PXRC's too. ;)

Bibio

01-02-10, 12:54 AM

i'm ancient, i'll do it.. gezz a job

Davadvice

01-02-10, 10:12 AM

I gotta be entirely honest here.

I haven't a clue what you're talking about:lol:

I was begining to think that we were all geeks on here.

I used UNIX for the first time in anger(done it as a student before) 4 weeks ago and it was a total nightmare. we had to use VI and i decided to build the ctl file on my xp box and use ftp to upload. the other members of my team still fart about with VI. they wonder how i get my data in to the oracle box so fast !! i'm not telling :)

CheGuevara

01-02-10, 10:27 AM

I was begining to think that we were all geeks on here.

I used UNIX for the first time in anger(done it as a student before) 4 weeks ago and it was a total nightmare. we had to use VI and i decided to build the ctl file on my xp box and use ftp to upload. the other members of my team still fart about with VI. they wonder how i get my data in to the oracle box so fast !! i'm not telling :)

I'm an Oracle DBA (for about 10 years or so now). When I first started out I struggled with vi, but now I love it. I do get a bit of a twisted thrill out of watching our SQL Server dba struggle with it though (and Unix in general) as I try to cross-train him :)

SoulKiss

01-02-10, 11:16 AM

Sudoxe

01-02-10, 11:32 AM

Real Men use Vi - end of

Good luck with that, I think you will find real men use vi ;)

Grinch

01-02-10, 11:32 AM

Vi is easy...

Sudoxe

01-02-10, 01:12 PM

But Vi doesn't exist?

drowe@drowe-desktop:~$ Vi
Vi: command not found

fastdruid

01-02-10, 01:55 PM

But Vi doesn't exist?

drowe@drowe-desktop:~$ Vi
Vi: command not found

Either try, "vi" Note the case of the V or use your package manager to install.

Druid

timwilky

01-02-10, 02:06 PM

I have to admit, that I do occasionally use vi.

I still miss edt on my vax boxes. and even had a port on Solaris. loved the keypad functionality from my old vt220 to quickly issue editing commands.

But that is getting off track. Before even looking at this job. What does it pay and where is it.

Viney

01-02-10, 02:37 PM

Wasnt Solaris something in one of the Bond films with Scaramanger? So basicaly, its a Bond Villina. Yep im up for that...where do i sign?

Sudoxe

01-02-10, 02:47 PM

Either try, "vi" Note the case of the V or use your package manager to install.

Druid

I know, i was taking the pi*s.

Holdup

01-02-10, 02:49 PM

I think one of you lot should get me a job as a junior / trainee :wink:

ophic

01-02-10, 02:49 PM

I know, i was taking the pi*s.
$ alias Vi=vi
$ Vi

simples ;)

Grinch

01-02-10, 04:18 PM

Davadvice

02-02-10, 12:55 PM

$ alias Vi=vi
$ Vi

simples ;)
shouldn't that be Vi:=vi or Vi==vi( i'm not that up on unix syntax)

:)

I was actualy quite good at it when i was studying, just don't have the time to get to know it all again. suppose it's another string to my bow though if i did bother. paid to train an all that.

we all realise that anyone reading this stuff that aint got a clue will be totaly lost in here!!

scooby2102

02-02-10, 01:00 PM

I was begining to think that we were all geeks on here.

I used UNIX for the first time in anger(done it as a student before) 4 weeks ago and it was a total nightmare. we had to use VI and i decided to build the ctl file on my xp box and use ftp to upload. the other members of my team still fart about with VI. they wonder how i get my data in to the oracle box so fast !! i'm not telling :)

yep, gotta agree there dava, if in doubt, forget vi or ed, ftp the file, edit with notepad, put file back, nice n' easy, especially if there's loads of mods to hosts files or summat like that

SoulKiss

02-02-10, 01:09 PM

yep, gotta agree there dava, if in doubt, forget vi or ed, ftp the file, edit with notepad, put file back, nice n' easy, especially if there's loads of mods to hosts files or summat like that

Utter rubbish...

vi used properly is a VERY powerful tool, comparing it to notepad is like comparing Rossi's race bike with tractor.

Just because you cant be bothered to learn it properly, dont blame the tool if you cant use it.

As for your suggestion, thats fine, unless of course the program you are re-writing the file, doesn't like Windows/DOS style line-feeds...

ophic

02-02-10, 01:11 PM

As for your suggestion, thats fine, unless of course the program you are re-writing the file, doesn't like Windows/DOS style line-feeds...
That's ok, just load it into vi and convert it... :king:

timwilky

02-02-10, 01:11 PM

Ah young man, the folly of youth.

What happens when you are presented with a locked down system, only you and a console. If you need to make changes, learn to use the tools that will always be available.

Of course people have their own workrounds. that is the beauty of linux, if you don't like a command name, give it an alias, if it doesn't do what you want, write it yourself or steal somebody elses.

I used to alias VMS type commands to their unix equivalent. Then over time I reversed and built command procedures/symbols etc to emulate unix commands under VMS etc.

But, when somebody has bodged a config file and you have to boot single user mode or off a cd etc you need to know the base tools

Davadvice

02-02-10, 01:19 PM

i get round that by using a app called text-pad it allows to save as unix file format apparently.
I don't dissagree that vi is powerfull but there are far easier options out there now with syntax highlighting and debuging assistance.

the guys i work with use sql+ i use Toad or pl/sql editor it's just easier to read and has more functionality. when i was in college the tutors asked us to use notepad to do html i said no and used a editor that hilighted the html. i don't understand why use somthing that is clearly more difficult to use.

I'm a mechanic to trade and for me using a bog standard screw driver to get out a tight screw out instead of getting the snap-on one is like chalk and cheese. why make it harder.

Grinch

02-02-10, 01:22 PM

Which screwdriver you calling vi then, cus its more like the snap-on on to me.

CheGuevara

02-02-10, 01:29 PM

the guys i work with use sql+ i use Toad or pl/sql editor it's just easier to read and has more functionality. when i was in college the tutors asked us to use notepad to do html i said no and used a editor that hilighted the html. i don't understand why use somthing that is clearly more difficult to use.

The developers I work with insist on using gui tools to write their code (sql, pl/sql). I'm sure it's easier on them, but when it comes time for me to deploy it into our production database (Oracle) I find no end of formatting errors, and the scripts don't run unless I use the same tool they wrote it on.

Good code should run on the command line without me having to remove extra lines, spaces etc. Lazy developers are the biggest thorn in my side. If they insist on devloping in Toad or SQL Developer, then they should at least test to ensure it runs on the command line and fix it if not.

Sudoxe

02-02-10, 01:33 PM

That's ok, just load it into vi and convert it... :king:

Then you will see:
line^M

you want dos2unix to fix that...

Davadvice

02-02-10, 01:36 PM

well i don't have to ask for my stuff to be deployed. so no concerns for me. those blasted devs!!

timwilky

02-02-10, 01:36 PM

Yes, I use IDEs for my development, far too many

Visual Studio
Eclipse
Oracle Jdeveloper etc.

I also use a 10 year old windows editor because it can display in hex/ascii etc and most important for me cut/paste in columns and not just lines.

Horses for courses. of course the specialist tools make life easier, that is why somebody invented them. However, you also need to be able to work from base principles.

So all you have available is a CLI :- a dumb terminal or putty shell. You have no fancy tools. I have managed unix boxes in china across 64K vsat links. even an X session is a non starter. it is cli or nothing.

still no point in arguing. Those who need to be able to do the job, know their tools. Those that don't, dont get the job

scooby2102

02-02-10, 02:57 PM

Utter rubbish...

vi used properly is a VERY powerful tool, comparing it to notepad is like comparing Rossi's race bike with tractor.

Just because you cant be bothered to learn it properly, dont blame the tool if you cant use it.

As for your suggestion, thats fine, unless of course the program you are re-writing the file, doesn't like Windows/DOS style line-feeds...

soulkiss, why are you so arrogant ?

who said I cant be bothered to use it properly, I certainly never.

I take it your so clever that your still looking for a job :confused:

ophic

02-02-10, 03:10 PM

Then you will see:
line^M

you want dos2unix to fix that...
nah. I use vim.

*awaits the cries of "cheat!"*

ophic

02-02-10, 03:12 PM

I take it your so clever that your still looking for a job :confused:
handbags at 20 paces? :p

scooby2102

02-02-10, 03:54 PM

handbags at 20 paces? :p

no wonder ophic, guys like a troll, seems to pop up everywhere there's a computing post and rubbish what people are discussing

there's ways of getting a point across then there's sheer arrogance and loads of assumptions about peoples knowledge and how people personally choose to do things :(

anyhoo, rant over, who gives a toss, a better get back to work now, I need to edit some files using ed or notepad, dont know what to choose but better get on with it as we are installing 250k's worth of new Bull server.....come to think of it.....suppose thats a ****e server too, better ask on another post :p

ophic

02-02-10, 04:16 PM

no wonder ophic, guys like a troll, seems to pop up everywhere there's a computing post and rubbish what people are discussing

there's ways of getting a point across then there's sheer arrogance and loads of assumptions about peoples knowledge and how people personally choose to do things :(
I'm sure he'll be happy to know you take him so seriously ;)

Grinch

02-02-10, 04:59 PM

Please don't fight people I don't want to have to have my thread locked. Remember its a forum so people easily make assumptions, and then things get carried away as its hard to get the inflection in the text that you would normally have in body and voice.
Also, calm the language down, there is no need for it. Darn, gosh, fudge and other words are more then enough. ;-)

ophic

02-02-10, 05:02 PM

timwilky

02-02-10, 05:07 PM

He looks nothing like a troll, a cheeky little pixie, maybe

ophic

02-02-10, 05:13 PM

He looks nothing like a troll, a cheeky little pixie, maybe
strap an iphone to his tummy and you'd get a tellytubby :D

Dave20046

02-02-10, 06:22 PM

strap an iphone to his tummy and you'd get a tellytubby :D
And a black eye! :p

SoulKiss

02-02-10, 09:39 PM

I take it your so clever that your still looking for a job :confused:

Yeah, but I'll get a job, you'll still be a ****

SoulKiss

02-02-10, 09:43 PM

strap an iphone to his tummy and you'd get a tellytubby :D

My Apple repulsion field would make that more difficult.

As would the random, rapid kicking, punching, head-butting and biting...

fastdruid

02-02-10, 10:50 PM

Ah young man, the folly of youth.

What happens when you are presented with a locked down system, only you and a console. If you need to make changes, learn to use the tools that will always be available.

Or worse a broken system with only a minimal set of tools. I find cat and sed to be *the* tools that have saved me more times than anything else.

Druid

Bibio

02-02-10, 10:57 PM

teeeheee.. my sister could do this i her sleep...

how much are you offering.. yes i am ****ed

ophic

02-02-10, 10:57 PM

My Apple repulsion field would make that more difficult.

As would the random, rapid kicking, punching, head-butting and biting...
I can see the headlines... APPLE BLAMED FOR EPILEPSY

scooby2102

03-02-10, 01:57 PM

Yeah, but I'll get a job, you'll still be a ****

yep, dead right, best not hold yer breath ya ****wit

over and oot !

ophic

03-02-10, 03:19 PM

yep, dead right, best not hold yer breath ya ****wit

over and oot !
The major arguments are usually over vi/emacs not vi/notepad :rolleyes:

Grinch

03-02-10, 03:30 PM

Quit arguing... at the end of the day, it ain't Windows.

Quiff Wichard

03-02-10, 07:22 PM

have I walked in to an episode of the IT crowd or the big bang theory here cos me no understand a word of it

SoulKiss

17-02-10, 01:44 PM

I take it your so clever that your still looking for a job

Yeah, but I'll get a job, you'll still be a ****

yep, dead right, best not hold yer breath ya ****wit

over and oot !

See I was right (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2185211&postcount=36) :)

AND

You're still a ****

:smt050