Question - RE 955i Model History

[Drew Carey]

Anyone know their Daytona history?

As many know, picking up a Daytona 955i on Saturday. The docs etc all say that the bike is built and registred in 2001. It is a Y reg so that backs that up. However, when looking on google etc, I can see that a major re-working took place in 2002. When I look at the images of 2001 and before bikes they all have the SSSA (Single Sided Swing Arm), but when I look at 2002, they all have the DSSA (Double Sided) (apart form the centenial etc and after when they re-introduced the SSSA).

So on that basis, how is that my 2001, Y reg bike looks exactly like a model that supposedly wasn't available until 2002, ie DSSA and newer bodywork?!?!?

Am I being silly and missing something here or mis-read the internet?

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2637/17353273773027822691387c.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/i/17353273773027822691387c.jpg/)

[speedplay]

Does it really matter?

Stop worrying about it, sit back and smile knowing your picking up a pretty new toy on the weekend :)

[Drew Carey]

Nah, doesn't really matter, just curious. Am I not allowed to know what bike I'm riding?

[Holdup]

No

Doesnt Gary know anything about it?

[Icanopit]

Drop a mail to customer support direct at Triumph with details and numbers with a request for "build/historical" information, I gather they are normally helpfull?

More importantly though, as Speedplay say's ENJOY :D

[speedplay]

Nah, doesn't really matter, just curious. Am I not allowed to know what bike I'm riding?


The log book says its a 955i ;)

Either way, it looks great.

it would be interesting to know why it went from a sssa to a dssa though.

[Drew Carey]

Cheers for suggesting calling Triumph. They were brilliantly helpful.

They pulled off the full history and explained that with their bikes, they run the release periods slightly differently. The bike was reg'd in July 2001, but this is a 2002 model. In fact, he said in that year they had models with both SSSA & DSSA. So all good and cleared up.

[Icanopit]

May be of interest for a weekday ride-out, they do very informative factory visit's and either a group or individual's can join a group.
JOHN

[Dicky Ticker]

As a note the DSSA is supposed to have slightly better handling and I believe it is ever so slightly lighter-----------It would be my preference

[Drew Carey]

As a note the DSSA is supposed to have slightly better handling and I believe it is ever so slightly lighter-----------It would be my preference

My original concern, was that the bike may have, in a former life have been a 1999 bike with extra bits added etc as a result of damage. However, am pleased to say my sillyness has been answered.

The other bonuses as well as the DSSA, are that the tank was increased to 21 litres, bike is 10kgs lighter, also the BHP went from 128 to 149.

I am really really chuffed with it and the price we are paying. Just got to get it home through the miserable weather this weekend then can clean / fettle / polish until the weather improoves. :smt026

[Sudoxe]

As triumph said, it's an 02 model, the bodywork changed from the 01 model.

My S3 is the opposite, it's an 02 bike in 01 spec!

[_Stretchie_]

Aww bless yer little cottons.. Can't wait to see it

[Drew Carey]

Aww bless yer little cottons.. Can't wait to see it

Well get planning with what we spoke about on email a couple of days ago......then you can see it. lol :D

[rictus01]

just as a note, at that time the dealers got the 2002 model mid summer as demos, so I may well be one of thoughs, not that that should be a worry, at that time Triumph riders* were a somewhat reserved bunch and unlike Jap bike riders wouldn't have thrashed it.


*myself excluded.....:)

Cheers Mark.

[lily]

Thank god you didn't panic me with this latest development ;-)

Shut up, otherwise I will get it restricted for my last 6 months and I will ride it!

[yorkie_chris]

As a note the DSSA is supposed to have slightly better handling and I believe it is ever so slightly lighter-----------It would be my preference

Slightly? SSSA's weigh a ton. All that bending moment from the offset rather than linear loads means it's got to be a very stiff part.

Though as far as handling is concerned I wouldn't expect anybody except for the nuttiest of track riders on the most sorted suspension would notice the difference.

I had a look at the front forks from these bikes and they're actually set up for a real person rather than a malnourished rabbit. You will have a shock comparing it to SV :-D

[Drew Carey]

I had a look at the front forks from these bikes and they're actually set up for a real person rather than a malnourished rabbit. You will have a shock comparing it to SV :-D

I have been told the suspension is much better. So for a fatty like me they should be much more suitable. I also plan on getting all the suspension setup correctly.....local guy near me will setup for free. If springs need changing etc is about £55 "per end".

[yorkie_chris]

£55 for springs is excellent going. I think mine for SRAD forks were £80 for front pair.

You're better off doing the adjuster-twiddling yourself though, you don't learn owt by someone taking their (educated) guess at it.

[petevtwin650]

Reckon it's worth getting it set up. You can spend forever twiddling otherwise. At least you'll have base settings then and most people who use a suspension guy can't believe the improvement that can be made. You'll might have to decide though if it's gonna be set up for one or two up riding I guess.

[Drew Carey]

When I spoke to the chap, he said that he would setup it up for me only.......but, he will also have a look at what settings he would do if I was having a pillion. He will then write down what they should be, I can then change the twiddles myself. I will then see how it is with Lily on and give him some feedback to him.

[Icanopit]

Surely it is time there was a campaign to have DEALERS set up a bike for the customer when purchased. I dread to think how inappropriate some bikes have been for the rider, not too bad when you have a little experience and understanding.

Of course Drew you could always find a cheap TD and get an onsite suspension chappy (at most TDs) to set it to YOUR riding needs throughout the day with the added bonus of a bit of riding tuition as well ??? of course you dont HAVE to keep up with the others, not much extra cost but a lot more fun.
JOHN

[rictus01]

I know this suspesion fairly well having owned 6 of the earlier ones (4 speed triples, a t595 and a Daytona 955i 2000), it's actually fairly easy to setup, the stock settings are pretty good as it comes set for brits rather than featherweight Japs.

the adjustment is real world and noticable so a considered pedantic approach will get you sorted without going to someone else.

But bearing in mind these are from a naked version (so minus the fairing weight and leaned forward weight on the bars) these setting may help.

suspension my settings are :

Front

preload, 4.5 rings showing to 3 rings showing
rebound, 1.25 from 1.5 from hard
comp, 1.0 from 1.5 from hard

Rear
preload, untouched
rebound, 1.5 from 2 from hard
comp, 2 from 2.75 from hard

I am 12.5 stone, prob 13 with full kit,

SETTINGS



(10 stone)
front preload : flush with the 5th ring from top
front compression : 1.5 turns from hard
front rebound : 1.5 turns from hard

rear preload: 17mm active thread wound down
rear compression: 2.5 turns out from hard
rear rebound : 1.25 turns out from hard

(14.5 stone)
front preload : 1.5 rings showing from top
front compression : 0.75 turns from hard
front rebound : 1 turn from hard

rear preload: 19mm active thread wound down
rear compression: 1 turns out from hard
rear rebound : 1.75 turns out from hard

tyres - both riders front 32 and rear 36

(18.5 stone)
front preload : full in
front compression : 0.5 turns from hard
front rebound : 1.25 turns from hard

rear preload: 20mm active thread wound down
rear compression: 0.75 turns out from hard
rear rebound : 2 turns out from hard

tyres 33 + 38
Cheers Mark.

[Drew Carey]

So at 16 stone, I guess I would be best set to use an inbetween of the last 2. I think I may have a play with that when I pick it up. See how it is. Having Lily on the back will also only need a small adjustment then really as I will be near the top range anyway.

[Drew Carey]

PS - Thank you Rictus, first time I've seen some real world settings. Everyone else seems loathed to give them out.

[rictus01]

You're welcome, I'm loathed to comment on anything I don't have practical experience of, I got to the point of just dialing in the settings from my previous one when I changed and it felt just about the same straight off the bat (the bikes got changed because I wanted to once they had all passed 100k miles).

the other weight settings were tried with mates of mine and their feedback was what was used, but all three have over 10 years riding experience minimum so I'd trust their judgment.

Enjoy.

Cheers Mark.

[Drew Carey]

Cheers......I will go with those you have mentioned and see how I get on.

[mattSV]

Always really liked the 'tonas - that is luvverly.

Now go and order yourself some of these:-

clicky (http://www.trident-exhausts.co.uk/page-underseatpipes_daytona-speed-triple.php)

[gettin2dizzy]

...
suspension my settings are :

Front

preload, 4.5 rings showing to 3 rings showing
rebound, 1.25 from 1.5 from hard
comp, 1.0 from 1.5 from hard

Rear
preload, untouched
rebound, 1.5 from 2 from hard
comp, 2 from 2.75 from hard

I am 12.5 stone, prob 13 with full kit,

SETTINGS

...

I thought the rear preload wasn't 'officially' adjustable on the S3s ?

I ride mine with the same settings 1-up and 2-up with **** loads of luggage. It handles either beautifully after 19k :)

[rictus01]

who told you that? it's a fully adjustable unit, the RS had none adjustable stuff, but the daytona and S3 have always had the fully monty.

Cheers Mark.

[yorkie_chris]

I thought the rear preload wasn't 'officially' adjustable on the S3s ?

Seem to find that preload is adjustable on most shocks, including stock SV.

Next they add "damping" like hagon which is low speed adjustment in both directions. Then they get seperate rebound and compression. Posh stuff gets this lot and high speed compression adjuster.

[Lozzo]

I loved my all black 2004 model Daytona 955i SE, one of the best real world sports bikes I ever owned or rode.

I had the suspension set up by Colin at 100% Suspension when he was attending a No-Limits trackday I'd gone to watch at. If I rememebr right it cost me 45 quid and I rode it on the road round Mallory Park area then brought it back for little tweeks. God knows what he did to it, but it went from being very harsh in every respect to being sweet handling and a great compromise between sporty and soft enough to tour on.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/2777185899_beb7216a6b_b.jpg

[Dicky Ticker]

I have to agree with the man,it is worth getting the suspension set up for your body weight and conditions you will be riding on be it "B" or fast "A" roads. OK it might cost £40-50 but well worth the expense and amazing how much difference it can make to the feel of the bike. I did exactly the same on the ST although it doesn't have the same range of adjustment on the front but is surprising how a half turn here and there can change the handling when set up by a professional who really knows what they are doing

[Lozzo]

As an afterthought, when it comes to getting new tyres I highly recommend Michelin Pilot Road2 2CTs. I'm not a slow rider and found they gave great grip in all conditions yet still managed to last 8K rear and 10K front.

I used to run mine about 3psi lower than the book says as they have quite stiff sidewalls - a tip I was given by Geoff Baines at Baines Racing, the Ducati Specialists

[yorkie_chris]

I think it was a PR2 I took off Baphs bike*, that thing was amazingly light but was fag-paper thin.
Baph can hustle a bit too and I think he liked them.

*Of course, it could have been something else entirely.

[speedplay]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3189/2777185899_beb7216a6b_b.jpg


That looks a lot like the carbon can on mine lozzo, is it the Triumph own sports can?


Mark, Would I be right in thinking that the suspention settings you posted earlier could also be used on my Datytona?

I may have a fiddle with the settings if so.

[Lozzo]

That looks a lot like the carbon can on mine lozzo, is it the Triumph own sports can?



It certainly is, and it sounded glorious. I bought the bike in 2006 from a friend of mine and she had that can fitted from new. The original was given to me in a box and it looked like the bike had only ever been run up at the factory with it on. It was the same when I handed over it to the new owner... still in the box and unused on the road.

My dad said that when I started that bike up it reminded him of Hawker Hurricanes being fired up on the airfield near his house on Malta during WW2. My dad hates bikes, but he genuinely really liked that Triumph.

[yorkie_chris]

Adjusters can have different ranges between bikes of same model. Fiddle with everything, if you write down your starting point you cannot do any harm (unless you fall off testing it)

First write down your original settings (manufacturers default? different? what is? why did you change them?)
Then set your front and rear total sag
Set the compression a bit loose and bounce the bike around, you want to adjust the rebound on both ends so the bike bounces back as fast as possible without bouncing past its equilibrium. Start with the front then do the back so both ends recoil at roughly the same rate.
Then move compression back to OEM setting and go ride. Get a set route and try it, move comp about 4 clicks or 1/4 turn at a time. Write down when you change things.

If you cannot get sag numbers to make sense then spring rate is wrong for you, when I had SRAD shock in curvy to get correct rider sag I had basically no bike sag and it wallowed a bit round long sweeping corners where you did not open throttle.

[Lozzo]

I think it was a PR2 I took off Baphs bike*, that thing was amazingly light but was fag-paper thin.
Baph can hustle a bit too and I think he liked them.

*Of course, it could have been something else entirely.

The treaded section of the carcass is perilously thin on most tyres nowadays, but the sidewalls are generally quite stiff. Michelin are known for having particularly stiff sidewalls, hence the advice to run them 3psi lower

[gettin2dizzy]

who told you that? it's a fully adjustable unit, the RS had none adjustable stuff, but the daytona and S3 have always had the fully monty.

Cheers Mark.

Just checked the manual to see if I was being a numpty. Rear suspension has adjustable compression and rebound, but for the preload it says:

WARNING: Rear suspension unit spring pre-load is not rider adjustable. Any attempt to adjust the spring pre-load could result in a dangerous driving condition leading to a loss of control and an accident.

[yorkie_chris]

That is such a weird design decision?

[rictus01]

Just checked the manual to see if I was being a numpty. Rear suspension has adjustable compression and rebound, but for the preload it says:

well I don't know what manual you're quoting from, but it's not in any of mine, and I can assure you it's fully adjustable, although unlike some of the jap stuff getting it wrong can be seriously disturbing, but I'd agree what ever setting, if you don't know what it does don't touch it, I've just checked the Triumph workshop manual as well and it doesn't have that warning in there either.

Cheers Mark.

[yorkie_chris]

Post a pic of shock.

[rictus01]

Mark, Would I be right in thinking that the suspention settings you posted earlier could also be used on my Datytona?

I may have a fiddle with the settings if so.

Not really Rob, the little Daytona has different spec and is much lighter, I have some settings from the tt600 and what I have on the S4 which would be closer, I wouldn't use those I posted for the T5.

Cheers Mark.

[Sudoxe]

well I don't know what manual you're quoting from, but it's not in any of mine, and I can assure you it's fully adjustable, although unlike some of the jap stuff getting it wrong can be seriously disturbing, but I'd agree what ever setting, if you don't know what it does don't touch it, I've just checked the Triumph workshop manual as well and it doesn't have that warning in there either.

Cheers Mark.

I seem to remember it's in the owners manual, I thought it was a little strange too.

[speedplay]

Not really Rob, the little Daytona has different spec and is much lighter, I have some settings from the tt600 and what I have on the S4 which would be closer, I wouldn't use those I posted for the T5.

Cheers Mark.


I would be interested in seeing them if you have the time to send them over sometime Mark.