Getting a day pass for ride-outs [Archive] - SV650.org

-Ralph-

16-02-10, 11:18 PM

Somebody else please tell me they have this problem...

Now I'm not an under the thumb kind of guy by any means, by and large I decide what I do, but getting your way most of the time, means that when the women in your life do put their feet down, they do it properly, and you've no chance!

7th March - EAR Spring Ride-out
14th March - Afghan Heroes Ride-out (and Mothers Day)
21st March - BP Abersoch Ride-out
4th April - Madlanders MESS Ride-out (and Easter Sunday)

Tested the water with my mother over Mothers Day today and got a "you mean you won't be coming for dinner? Your Sister is coming over!" kind of hurt puppy eyes combined with sheer blackmail type reaction, followed by "well it was only an idea Mum", followed by a big smile and "so your coming for dinner then...". Grrr...Women!

Then this evening tested the water with my wife over Easter Sunday, and I won't repeat how that conversation went, but suffice to say I almost got my laptop thrown at me along with words to the effect of "you and that bloody forum!!"

So I've told her that if I can't get out-to-play tokens for 14th March or 4th April, then I AM GOING on ride-outs on the 7th and the 21st, and if she doesn't like it - touch s#1t! That hasn't gone down too well either, but she's French and it was time for me to put my foot down, so the expression "C'est la vie" seemed appropriate at the time. I may be sleeping in the garage with the bikes sometime soon.

If your single don't get married, if your married, don't have kids!

rictus01

16-02-10, 11:24 PM

Married, had kids. got ground rules sorted a long time ago....don't believe your first point though......;)

Cheers Mark.

Holdup

16-02-10, 11:26 PM

If your single don't get married, if your married, get a divorce

:p

yorkie_chris

16-02-10, 11:36 PM

I may be sleeping in the garage with the bikes sometime soon.

Sleep gets in the way of spannering, seems right enough just make sure you got a kettle in there.

Kilted Ginger

17-02-10, 12:22 AM

maybe dropping in for lunch on friday's not such a good idea;)

Richie

17-02-10, 12:38 AM

I've slept in the garage one time... Just to prove a point.

BTW, you missed out Saturday 20th Feb... "The Hardy Bikers..."

but you don't sound like your up to it.... ;-)

Specialone

17-02-10, 12:40 AM

Col, Just say your ARE going on all of them (apart from mums day) and give her a little cheeky slap on the backside in a patronising type of way and tell her to go on her way :thumbsup:

(If this doesnt go down well, i would recommend running... I wont be held responsible either;))

Richie

17-02-10, 12:46 AM

:laughat:
Col, Just say your ARE going on all of them (apart from mums day) and give her a little cheeky slap on the backside in a patronising type of way and tell her to go on her way :thumbsup:

(If this doesnt go down well, i would recommend running... I wont be held responsible either;))
:winner:

davepreston

17-02-10, 02:06 AM

my god if mrs giggles tried that sh1te with me she'd be sleeping in the stables, i spend the week with her the weekends are mine , time for a chat dont worry she's french she'll do what they do best and surrender

Kilted Ginger

17-02-10, 06:36 AM

Tiger 55

17-02-10, 08:01 AM

Now I'm not an under the thumb kind of guy by any means
You're the worst kind of under the thumb guy, you're under there and you don't even know it. Try this, available at all good newsagents.

http://www.searchlight.org.uk/whipped.jpg

And it get's worse, since you've got young children Mother's Day is now Wive's Day too.

Oh well, you had a good run and on the bright side, you do have a beautiful wife who loves you.

454697819

17-02-10, 08:04 AM

personally I prefer spending time with my wife than you lot,

ok so I dont have a bike but it still stands.. :-)

kellyjo

17-02-10, 08:07 AM

Thats why i have an ex husband and now a biking boyfriend :-)

metalangel

17-02-10, 08:15 AM

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"Ow ees eet you are want to spend more time on ze forum zan with me?"

speedplay

17-02-10, 08:25 AM

Now I'm not an under the thumb kind of guy by any means

I'm sure that when I saw you at the Brackley festival, your Mrs had you in baby reins...;)

Bri w

17-02-10, 08:34 AM

I'm sure that when I saw you at the Brackley festival, your Mrs had you in baby reins...;)

Sounds like le missus needs reining in too...;)

Been married, been divorced, been married again, been mothered, and smothered. Its the nature of the beasts.

Seriously though, book 'em a spa weekend. Mega brownie points and guaranteed :makelurve:

P.S. Don't miss Mum's Day with Mum and being home with your young uns on Mum's Day. They're are sad days when Mum, and your kids (for a different reason) are no longer around.

17-02-10, 08:49 AM

Ralph, your words sound horribly familiar:rolleyes:

Quedos

17-02-10, 09:11 AM

If your single don't get married, if your married, don't have kids!

or make sure your partner has their own bikes. problem sorted

Drew Carey

17-02-10, 09:20 AM

or make sure your partner has their own bikes. problem sorted

Or better still.....like me make sure your wife not only embraces biking, but is a fully fledged member of the org!!!! ;)

-Ralph-

17-02-10, 11:31 AM

maybe dropping in for lunch on friday's not such a good idea;)

Don't you dare! Talking bikes for a hour may just save my sanity, pre-Noddy!

BTW, you missed out Saturday 20th Feb... "The Hardy Bikers..."

but you don't sound like your up to it.... ;-)

She knows that one may be happening, I told her I could be going a couple of weeks ago and I'm going to the theatre on Friday afternoon to see this (http://www.alexandratheatre.org.uk/prod-productions_details.asp?VenueID=87&pid=1713), so she bloody well owes me one!

Whether or not I'm going to be a Hardy biker will depend on what the weather forecast is saying tomorrow/Friday morning (so not Hardy at all then). If it's still looking like this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/2470?&search=kendal&itemsPerPage=10&region=world) I'll be going nowhere near a mountain pass. (in case it's changed by the time you click the link, it says -3 overnight and 3 during the day, with snow for both Saturday and Sunday).

Col, Just say your ARE going on all of them (apart from mums day) and give her a little cheeky slap on the backside in a patronising type of way and tell her to go on her way :thumbsup:

I do that kind of thing quite regularly, so she'd think I was joking, then have a paddy fit the night before and say I had never told her. There are advantages and disadvantages to winding your wife up all the time. I've often told her that if I wanted to have an affair, I'd be safe 'cos just tell her the truth and she wouldn't believe me - "Where did you go today?", "To a hotel with one of the girls from work!", "Yeah, yeah, Romeo, where did you go today?"

http://www.searchlight.org.uk/whipped.jpg

Well at least one bit of that magazine cover has never been an issue :makelurve:

Ralph, your words sound horribly familiar:rolleyes:

Thank f*** for that!

or make sure your partner has their own bikes. problem sorted

Or better still.....like me make sure your wife not only embraces biking, but is a fully fledged member of the org!!!! ;)

Ah, now as Mr Tiger55 will tell you, whose lovely wife is also a biker and org member, enjoy it now whilst you can! If you guys ever have kids your weekend riding time will fall to half of what the likes of me and Ed get. You can't take a baby on a bike, so whereas I just have to find time to ride, you guys will have to find time, and then take it in turns to babysit! Even if you agree to spend every Sunday apart, you'll only be riding every other Sunday when it's not your turn to babysit!

Drew Carey

17-02-10, 11:35 AM

Simples answer......palm kids off to parents who live locally!!! :D

-Ralph-

17-02-10, 11:37 AM

Simples answer......palm kids off to parents who live locally!!! :D

Grandma just came out of hospital after an op, she can't lift him for 8 weeks :(

Quedos

17-02-10, 11:51 AM

Kids - yuck no way!! I ain't maternal, and they screw up you standard of living.
Sorry not for me ( besides a offspring between me and him - can you imagine?)

timwilky

17-02-10, 12:13 PM

Simples

Let them visit you in a hospital bed and realise what they are doing to you is stressing you to the point that it has made you seriously ill. At that point they learn that you have to have some life of your own.

As the cardiac specialist I saw said on my first appointment, tell your wife you want your trousers back. I asked, she said no.

That is why got back into bikes a few years ago after 20 years away. I was too busy working, raising a family etc. To have time for myself. So for relaxation I would hit the pub too much.

Now if I am moping about the house she rants what is the point of having a bike in the garage if I am not going to use it. Pee off and come back with a smile on your face.

Sir Trev

17-02-10, 12:25 PM

Ralph, that rings a bell here too.

And to all the people who suggest a biking wife is a good idea, think again. Combined with kids and turn and turn about method of babysitting described above, you feel REALLY guilty about riding off having a nice time when your wife isn't. It's worse for me as we went down to one bike when daughter was born and my wife hardly ever goes out any more, meaning I feel guilty EVERY time I go out on the bike...

Dicky Ticker

17-02-10, 12:35 PM

Palm kids off on grandparents!!!!!---Go forth and multiply
This grandparent has a bike that he likes to ride so sort your own problems out

Unfortunately things that seem a good idea at the time do have drawbacks

lily

17-02-10, 12:40 PM

Paul the 6th

17-02-10, 12:52 PM

I'm gonna be single forever baby... no one's gonna try and trap me again.

That is all :razz:

dizzyblonde

17-02-10, 01:06 PM

Hmmm let me think now....

Weekend pass, when ever I decide to have one. Weekend pass off work whenever I book it. Weekend pass, kid goes to grandparents or great grandma.

Nope this woman doesn't have a problem getting a weekend pass for me and bike time.

And when this little one is born.......Pegasus will be giving me a weekend pass when ever I want it....nine months is far too long without my bike.

There thats my foot firmly on the floor :-)

Paul the 6th

17-02-10, 01:19 PM

nowt wrong with a bit of optimism dizzee :razz:

dizzyblonde

17-02-10, 01:48 PM

nowt wrong with a bit of optimism dizzee :razz:

lol, it wasn't long after Dylan was born that I was on the back of a bike:cool:
Besides, Peg knows its better he gives me a weekend pass, than to argue;)

Milky Bar Kid

17-02-10, 01:59 PM

lol, it wasn't long after Dylan was born that I was on the back of a bike:cool:
Besides, Peg knows its better he gives me a weekend pass, than to argue;)

I actually think that anyone who would even consider arguing with you about letting you get back on the bike would need their head testing....

YOU IS CRAZEEEE LADY!!

SoulKiss

17-02-10, 02:07 PM

I have never understood this.

If I want to go out for the day and have not made other plans to do something with Vixis, I just say "Off out, be home about x on day y" and thats that.

Same in reverse.

Wheres the need for drama?

Only conflict I have is on Sunday rideouts, cos I like to cook her a roast meal because she enjoys them so much :P

17-02-10, 02:13 PM

Simples answer......palm kids off to parents who live locally!!! :D

Hmm... good solution, not. 86yo mother lives in Crowborough, 250 miles away. 85yo MIL lives in Falmouth, 320 miles away...

The nearest relative I have in terms of geography is my brother, he lives in Purley.

It ain't easy - I empathise with Ralph, Anne is usually OK with a half a day but Sophie is quite a demanding child, so full days need rather more tact, and a great deal of engineering:D

Dicky Ticker

17-02-10, 02:28 PM

;)Dizzy,Well while you are serving the 9 month sentence can we extend our trip to Scotland by another 5 days?

Calm down, calm down,:D

SoulKiss

17-02-10, 02:36 PM

dizzyblonde

17-02-10, 02:44 PM

;)Dizzy,Well while you are serving the 9 month sentence can we extend our trip to Scotland by another 5 days?

Calm down, calm down,:D

NO he already has a week[-X This thread only covers 'weekend passes';)

ArtyLady

17-02-10, 02:57 PM

Palm kids off on grandparents!!!!!---Go forth and multiply
This grandparent has a bike that he likes to ride so sort your own problems out ...

Ditto!!!!

shonadoll

17-02-10, 03:25 PM

We would have found it difficult it we had started biking earlier- 2 kids within 2 years, and one of them hyper, we never got time off. Now the kids are older it's much easier, self sufficient, aged 14 and 15, so we have a lot more freedom.

Messie

17-02-10, 04:52 PM

I'm gonna be single forever baby... no one's gonna try and trap me again.

That is all :razz:

But, but .... you said....

Oh never mind :(

Paul the 6th

17-02-10, 04:55 PM

But, but .... you said....

Oh never mind :(

lol sally I thought we weren't gonna tell the org just yet! There'll be gossip and alsorts going on! :razz: and besides you're a biker as well so there'd never really be any problem

phil24_7

17-02-10, 09:21 PM

Or better still.....like me make sure your partner not only embraces biking, but is a fully fledged member of the org!!!! ;)

+1

17-02-10, 10:52 PM

My grandparents died in 1948, 1953 and 1970:rolleyes:

I got a weekend upcoming in June, what a rare event that is, and it just happens to coincide with GM3:cool:

Paul the 6th

17-02-10, 10:55 PM

hmmm that sounds interesting Ed... you could use my place as a halfway house late thursday night or we could meet at lancaster services maybe? :D :D

17-02-10, 11:18 PM

hmmm that sounds interesting Ed... you could use my place as a halfway house late thursday night or we could meet at lancaster services maybe? :D :D

Lancaster Services might be a goer. Yawk is a bit far out the way... from me it'd be up the A49 to Warrington, one junction of the M56, and then the M6.

Paul the 6th

17-02-10, 11:35 PM

lancaster it is mate - I'll be stood waving with a bottle of Blossom Hill Rose :D

Tiger 55

18-02-10, 08:09 AM

And to all the people who suggest a biking wife is a good idea, think again. Combined with kids and turn and turn about method of babysitting described above, you feel REALLY guilty about riding off having a nice time when your wife isn't. It's worse for me as we went down to one bike when daughter was born and my wife hardly ever goes out any more, meaning I feel guilty EVERY time I go out on the bike...
Summary - my wife makes me feel guilty about riding my bike.

But does Lady Trev realise that mate? Tawk to her...

Weekends are turnabout or babysitter jobs for sure but during the week me and Mrs Tiger can jump on the bikes as soon as the kids are in school, long as one of is back outside the gates at 3:15. Of course that does involve having a job where you get time off during the week...

Getting back to the original question though, we use the Kitchen Calendar Of Truth & Justice. Moses could have used something so permanent and inflexible! It's on the calendar, I'm going out.

(Good luck and enjoy Noddy)

Paul the 6th

18-02-10, 08:46 AM

Getting back to the original question though, we use the Kitchen Calendar Of Truth & Justice. Moses could have used something so permanent and inflexible! It's on the calendar, I'm going out.

I used to have one of these but it always seemed to get amended without anyone telling me, then I'd get in trouble for telling her to stfu

Sir Trev

18-02-10, 08:55 AM

Summary - my wife makes me feel guilty about riding my bike.

But does Lady Trev realise that mate? Tawk to her...

Lady Poppy (for 'tis her name) knows full well I feel guilty about enjoying myslef on the bike and keeps telling me not to. But you know when you get "that" look... Still, Poppy does her own thing when she wants to and I'm aware I should too. She is insured to ride the SV and has plenty of opportunities to do so as she works part time.

As Poppy and daughter are off up to Ed-land to see father-in-law this afternoon (they'll be in Wem on Friday Ed just to warn you) I get the weekend to myself. So once I've taken the dog to the vet on Saturday morning I may just get out for a guilt-free ride. Assuming I can get it to start with it's knackered choke cable...

appollo1

18-02-10, 10:28 AM

...... knows full well I feel guilty about enjoying myslef on the bike and keeps telling me not to. But you know when you get "that" look.....

thank goodness for that I thought it was just me that had that look from my other half.

I used to work shifts and had a fair amount of time to spend with the family in the mornings or evenings. Now i am on permanent days i know i am going to get moaned at for going out on a sunday on my bike as the weekends are supposed to be family time now.

Mrs A grew up around bike with everyone in her family apart form her riding them so fingers crossed i will still get out and about at the weekends.

I always feel guilty when she has had the kids all week then has to have them at the weekend as well while i go out having fun.

neio79

18-02-10, 10:35 AM

Is it just me or am i the only one thinking you ARE being selfish insisting on doing what you want 4 weeks in a row.

Been there done all that , luckily i now have a Mrs who is into bikes and rides as well so its not so much of an issue.

I know we all like to do our own things and go out with mates on our own sometimes. but you seem to have not tried to se it from your wifes point of view that she want to obvioulsy spend time with you maybe cos she wants to.

i think you should stop being so selfish and compromise a bit maybe just do two fo the 4 ride outs, and mybe spend sometime with your wife that month.

18-02-10, 10:36 AM

they'll be in Wem on Friday Ed just to warn you...

Wem - lovely little town in north Shropshire, about 6,000 - 7,000 inhabitants, mainly elderly. It's the land that time forgot. We have an office there, it's in Maypole Court, behind Stokes estate agents. Nice bike road from Wem to Ellesmere via Welshampton:D

petevtwin650

18-02-10, 10:41 AM

Is it just me or am i the only one thinking you ARE being selfish insisting on doing what you want 4 weeks in a row.

To be fair to Ralph,Neio, it's not 4 in a row, there is a week gap in there and one of the other days is over a long weekend, so it's not quite as bad as you paint it.

neio79

18-02-10, 10:47 AM

Even so i do seem to side with his wife on this one, i can se her POV in that it must seem like he can only fit her in when there is noting on with the bikes.

You like me are lucky as your OH is into bikes so if it was us they just come along.

But i know if I turned round to C and said that i am off with the lads this weekend oh and next , the one after then 2 after she would not see the funny side. And its not cos we have to be in each others pockets we both do seperate things with friends. but i just think its lot all on one hit hence why i see where the wife is comming from.

dizzyblonde

18-02-10, 10:51 AM

Actually I have to agree a bit with Neio. Unless Peg wanted his balls putting in a vice, he'd not do that to me, and vice versa. If I wanted three weeks in a row out with my mates on the bike, I'd be looking at getting sacked....unless of course he was joining me :-)

Besides, my mum would tell me I was taking the pish. Much as I'd love to have that many weekends off work in a row, I don't think my son would be happy.

kellyjo

18-02-10, 10:58 AM

I always feel guilty when she has had the kids all week then has to have them at the weekend as well while i go out having fun.

So you flippin' should!! :p

petevtwin650

18-02-10, 10:59 AM

These are not weekends away. He'd be there in the morning and back in the evening, and he's not using up precious holiday entitlement.

-Ralph-

18-02-10, 12:48 PM

Ha, ha, talk about jumping to conclusions. We are now drawing conclusions about my commitment to my family based on the info in this thread :o :p

I'm not going to worry myself about people being judgemental posting that I'm being selfish, because firstly there was a fair bit of childishness and playing the injured party :smt089 in my OP, and playfulness in subsequent posts. Most folk have realised that and taken the p!ss and posted funny pictures (:D), and secondly none of the posters know anything about my home life, work arrangements, etc, so none have any idea how much time I devote to my wife and family during the week, or how many ride-outs I go on in a year, so if a few of them happen to fall on consecutive weekends, and I go on them, so what!

I knew before I asked that I wouldn't get day passes on Mothers Day or Easter Sunday, I wouldn't expect to, but it was worth testing the water just in case.

Easter Sunday in particular is Madlanders ride-out being attended by a lot of local people I am getting to know since moving down here last year, and I enjoy their company, it's a ride-out I would particularly like to go on. If I wanted to be selfish I would just go and deal with the argument and a week of the silent treatment afterwards, but as much as I want to go , I've decided I need to spend that time with my family. :smt110

Dicky Ticker

18-02-10, 12:59 PM

Never mind Col --the dog still loves you:D
Think your mate will be happy with Bowmore and Iron Bru tonight?;)

-Ralph-

18-02-10, 01:04 PM

Never mind Col --the dog still loves you:D
Think your mate will be happy with Bowmore and Iron Bru tonight?;)

Since his body functions are screwed (I think it's from the years of alcohol abuse), it'll need to be diet Irn Bru, but yeah, I think he'll be more than happy! ;)

ArtyLady

18-02-10, 02:30 PM

Sounds like you all need to grow some balls and learn to be a little bit more selfish - my OH and I do what we want when we want - we don't need to ask - we tell each other! We don't own each other after all! He has been abroad on holiday without me/parties without me/out on his bike without me most weekends - I go out on my bike without him (often with other men!) but then he trusts me implicitly and vice versa. We also do things together too of course.

dizzyblonde

18-02-10, 02:34 PM

ArtyLady

18-02-10, 02:40 PM

lol at Lorna :-)

I have visions of men all over the org hiding behind the sofa as they try and request a day out....many a Mrs 'tells' Mr what they are going to be doing today.....

....and the reply....'''yes dear'' ;-)

:lol:

Seriously though what's all this "request to go out" :confused: we've just never ever been like that - I wouldn't dare tell S what and when he can do and vice versa! - mind I am beginning to think we may be slightly weird reading this thread :lol: (just be carefull how you answer that ;) :lol:)

rictus01

18-02-10, 02:41 PM

lol at Lorna :-)

I have visions of men all over the org hiding behind the sofa as they try and request a day out....many a Mrs 'tells' Mr what they are going to be doing today.....

....and the reply....'''yes dear'' ;-)

Really Lou..... you've met Mrs Rictus.

Whilst I love her to bit, the "me or the bike" is something she's never done and indeed wouldn't.

But then that's just another reason she's the perfect women for me.......:smt057

Cheers Mark.

ArtyLady

18-02-10, 02:47 PM

...

Whilst I love her to bit, the "me or the bike" is something she's never done and indeed wouldn't.

But then that's just another reason she's the perfect women for me.......:smt057

Cheers Mark.

It's the best way to be Mark - no hassles :cool: I must be the perfect woman for my OH too! :D

dizzyblonde

18-02-10, 02:56 PM

Now Mrs Rictus is indeed the perfect Mrs, that everyone would want to have their own version of :-)

The way the some of the thread posts went it just gave me this odd vision of the fellas trying to request a day.

And indeed there is always a bit of this from the ladies too!

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/funny-pictures-cat-pout.jpg?w=500&h=375

cuffy

18-02-10, 03:21 PM

Seriously though, book 'em a spa weekend.

http://thej4g.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/spar_juan_les_pins_en.jpg
Sure she'd be well chuffed with that :D

If she doesn't comply there is only one thing to do i'm afraid.
Borrow my voucher...
http://shantytown.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/bitch-slap.jpg

-Ralph-

18-02-10, 04:03 PM

We don't "request" days out, we work together as a team to carry out our responsibilities as parents.

I have spent several Saturday or Sunday's lately just me and my son, because my wife is studying for a PGCE on a one year intensive course and has had to study. When I check dates with her for a rideout, what I'm basically doing is checking her diary to see that she doesn't have anything else already planned that day that would mean I had to look after my son.

If she wants to book a hair appointment that's going to take 4 hours out of a Saturday (highlights) she asks me if the date is convenient and can I keep my son? She has just phoned to ask if I am OK to collect him from Nursery as she's going to be late home from University, if I said no she'd have to change her plans.

Any other weekends I'd be fine, unless she already had something planned, but Mothers Day my Sister and I and our families usually have dinner at my Mothers house, and Easter Sunday is a time would normally spend as a family.

Some folk are reading far too much into this, these kind of things are just normal family life.

TheOnlyNemesis

18-02-10, 04:35 PM

For the mothers day one, it's simple, do what i did.

Send a text, easier for them not to reply, then send "Got a ride on mothers day, i'll send a card"

Done

dizzyblonde

18-02-10, 04:40 PM

Some folk are reading far too much into this, these kind of things are just normal family life.

Indeed it is Ralph, but we have to pull ya leg;)

Lou M

18-02-10, 06:36 PM

Now, after being under the thumb when I was married (he never let me go anywhere on my own) I live by the rule that no-one, not even the person you're married to, has the right to dictate how you live your life, unless it's a threat to them (e.g. financially), and this now works perfectly with Mr Lou and I. I would never dream of telling him where he can or can't go, or what he can spend his money on. As long as the house hold bills are sorted, then the rest is his.

Never have joint bank accounts either, oh no, rocky road to ruin!

18-02-10, 11:23 PM

Ralph, your approach is uncanny... it's the same as ours. It's a question of treating your other half with respect, but it's frustrating when they simply don't understand why you want to go out on any particular weekend. Wifey's into creative knitting at the moment and occaionally goes on a day course of a Saturday over at Ippikin (designer craft shop and gallery) at Much Wenlock and I always say 'yes of course you must go' but she freely admits that she doesn't understand why I 'want to ride around the countryside with a bunch of bikers on Easter Sunday instead of staying at home with me and Sophie':rolleyes: