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Thinking of buying this TV;
http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/9159301/Panasonic-Viera-NeoPDP-G10-Series-42-TX-P42G10-HD-1080p-Freesat-Freeview-Plasma-TV/Product.html
(Not the g15 version as it seems to same except extra features i wont use picture quality is the same (correct me if i'm wrong)).
This is primarily a gamer TV for my 360/PS3 with bluray usage as well. Yea it will be hooked upto a virgin box but like i said its my potential gaming TV.
I was thinking plasma to replace my LCD TV (old samsung model 720p/1080i 32inch bout 3yrs old!) for the better colours and the reponse times look good. My current TV is starting to show its age imho!
Anyway opinions please!
(PS i'll flog my old one cheap if i get this one!)
Alpinestarhero
22-02-10, 07:14 PM
I am lead to beleive that playing computer games on a plasma TV will not be good for the plasma tv; image burn can occur, from the still images
Peronally, I prefer LCD TV's to Plasma...and OLED tv's to LCD. I think LCD has better pic quality than plasma and OLED's are just the mutts nuts :D
plasma not great, as it may burn and cheaper ones has lower refresh rate etc.
lcd/led is the way.
Plasma tends to be noisy as it has fan cooling, you may want to check the spec first.
hth :D
TV is only broadcast in 1080i, and there not that many games that are 1080p. Are blue ray films even 1080p.
I know what you mean about showing age. Our 37" LCD is only 3 years old but weighs a ton, it cost a fortune back in the day. Some of the new Sony Bravia tvs are just unbelievable.
kwak zzr
22-02-10, 07:49 PM
i just paid £519 for a 42" LG lcd telly :) i'm happy happy happy with it :)
hindle8907
22-02-10, 07:53 PM
Kuze get the G10 its an amazing set I am a big AV Buff and really into my Tv's I own 2 plasmas 50" and 40" and 32" LCD and have owned various sets over the past 2 years and also read lots about TV's and would say i can give a good opinion.
it will be fine on xbox360 PS3 games the picture quality is far better on plasma than LCD plasma gives Better black levels/True colours and Zero motion blur.
LED Tvs are just glorified LCD's .... not worth the extra cash, i would only get an LCD if below 32" anything over 32" and plasma is the way to go.
On that G10 you wont get any screen burn you may get a litte retention now and again but it will be minimal and only last a a few minutes if that .
you wont be disappointed if you go for it.
http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g10/pana-txp42g10b (http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g10/pana-txp42g10b)
Then get john lewis or currys to price match it if you want it on finance .
John lewis give 5 year free warranty
That G10 is a good set-up. I've been looking at replacing my CRT with that and it gets good reviews on almost all the AV forums and websites I've looked at.
hindle8907
22-02-10, 08:05 PM
Plasma tends to be noisy as it has fan cooling, you may want to check the spec first.
hth :D
On a old/cheapo plasma yeah maybe but not on that panny, you wont hear the fans.
i have a 42 lg lcd plasma and it is fine mate, good picture, never had any problems with it and had it for about 5 years maybe. you can pick the, up for about 500 or less now.
i searched hi and low when i replaced my 30" dolby pro tosh for something that would be just as good a picture, believe me when i say i looked at everything that was in the shops. whet did i get? a panasonic plasma. why? coz the picture was streets ahead of the rest of them while watching fast moving stuff like footy, golf and racing etc.etc. the LCD's tended to give me motion sickness and the LED's were just to damned expensive.
i've had mine over a year now and i got image retention once, but its not there anymore. the plasmas of old were notorious for being unreliable and fickle. the new ones have no such problems apart from 1 and that is they burn a lot of watts, mine burns 360watt. where an equivelent LCD would be about 80watt if i remember.
as hindle says up to 32" then LCD after that to 52" then Plasma after that then its Projectors. LED are to new to comment but my mate has just got himself a 50" LED and swears its miles better than the 42" panny plasma he had before it.
Kuze,
You may wanna have a look here (http://www.richersounds.com/product/plasma-tv/panasonic/viera-txp42g10/pana-txp42g10b) first before you spend at play.
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 08:43 PM
You also might want to consider an LED HD widescreen. They can be much cheaper than plasmas, the same if not better quality and use barely any energy to run.
They're also usually like 7-10cm deep - so its looks really swish and magicallly thin.
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 08:46 PM
Oh and not to forget - make sure your Xbox has an actual HDMI port. Some of the older ones don't, not sure how old your's is. The reason for this is that some mahoosive plasma/LCD/LED tv's have a slight delay with the feed from your console. This leads to about half second delays from the time you use the controller and your character actually doing something. This just about ruins CoD or any other game - and the HDMI cable can either avoid this or the TV recognises the cable and gives you options to correct it.
slark01
22-02-10, 08:53 PM
@Vorkohnen is that a WH40k Avatar?
Ste.
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 09:03 PM
It is the hero of the Imperium, the great Commisar Ciaphas Cain.
So yeah - it is ;)
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 09:04 PM
Because I'm cool like that.
slark01
22-02-10, 09:08 PM
LOL, yep, always been a Eldar fan, don't know why just liked them :-)
Ste.
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 09:13 PM
Aha the Space Elves - I prefer the IG myself. Nothing like a piece of falk armour, a guardsman's flashlight and faith in the immortal emperor to see you through the horrors of the 40th millenium ;)
http://www.extremetesting.tv/ThreadDirection.jpg
Vorkohnen
22-02-10, 09:33 PM
Haha sorry for the tangent :P
On a old/cheapo plasma yeah maybe but not on that panny, you wont hear the fans.
There are no fans in mine.
The problem that many plasmas suffer is that when they are displaying a bright image (ie white screen) and its quiet you will here a buzzing but its hardly anything.
hindle8907
22-02-10, 10:32 PM
Not checked on my 40inch but my 50inch panny has got 3 large fans but they are silent
I have a Panny plasma. Not noisy, you'll only get burn in from bright screens left on for a length of time but I've not had nor have I seen an LCD which matches mine for quality
By the sound of it ;) plasma is a great buy, with the only downside being it's power consumption?
Aren't manufacturers phasing out plasma (with the help of EU) over the next few years because of the power issue?
Cheers for the replies!
When i bought my first HD TV i went LCD cos of the screen burn, but since thats been removed from the issue i always thought plasmas gave better image quality. Power consumption might be an issue how much extra cash spend on juice are we talking (like 30/40 quid a month?). Its on most nights for about 5 hours if that helps!
As for other questions my xbox was a launch one until i upgraded to an elite about 1 week ago :P. So i should be able to run the TV in 1080p for gaming correct? 1080p is the main driving force for getting this other than the screen size and image quality!
From what i've read on LED's its just an LCD with a LED backlighting system instead of flourescent tubes? Plus i can only find the samsung ones that are really expensive. OEM LED is different i believe and not in TV form yet???
Neway i'll go look at some LCD's for comparison to be through!
hindle8907
23-02-10, 09:59 AM
My 50inch plasma consumes about 300W on average and around 490W peak. If you leave it on 8 hours a day every day for a month it costs me about £20 a month to run.
A 50" LCD would use around 7-10 pounds a month if used around 8 hours a day but I'd rather pay 20 quid a month and not have to suffer the terrible blacks and fake colours of a super efficient LCD screen.
to work it out use this formula (Watt * hours * price per KWh)/1000
hindle8907
23-02-10, 10:08 AM
When you get your TV what ever you go for pop a review in the audio visual thread.
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=144668
C Power consumption might be an issue how much extra cash spend on juice are we talking (like 30/40 quid a month?). Its on most nights for about 5 hours if that helps!
£50-£60 a year
(based on 340W Plasma TV cf. 80W LCD TV 10p-12p per kWH)
My 50inch plasma consumes about 300W on average and around 490W peak. If you leave it on 8 hours a day every day for a month it costs me about £20 a month to run.
So which one of your figures is wrong? or are you paying 26ppkWH when everyone else pays 8-12ppkWH?
hindle8907
23-02-10, 11:31 AM
Im on economy 7 so i get raped
Day primary units used 852 kWh at 27.95p
Day secondary units used 2005 kWh at 16.85p
Night units used 1350 kWh at 5.71p
so we have got 494w x 1h x 17p / 1000 = 0.08398 = 8p
8 hours a day / 30 days in a month = 240 hours
240 hours x 8p = £19.20
and that's not including standby power it uses
and that's not including the 27.95p rate either
I turn it off when i'm not in no standby mode for me!
It does save a pretty penny indeed!
Im on economy 7 so i get raped
Day primary units used 852 kWh at 27.95p
Day secondary units used 2005 kWh at 16.85p
Night units used 1350 kWh at 5.71p
so we have got 494w x 1h x 17p / 1000 = 0.08398 = 8p
8 hours a day / 30 days in a month = 240 hours
240 hours x 8p = £19.20
and that's not including standby power it uses
and that's not including the 27.95p rate either
You can't quote an average consumption of 300W & then calculate at peak usage ;)
You'll need to start only using it Midnight to 7am :lol:
hindle8907
23-02-10, 12:16 PM
You can't quote an average consumption of 300W & then calculate at peak usage ;)
You'll need to start only using it Midnight to 7am :lol:
Sorry i should of worded that better. ,average as in watching Standard definition which doesn't use as much processing power is around 300w But 720/1080p Gaming will take it up to its peak and this is what I do most becuase TV is $hit3 lol .
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fattym/3438997688/ - ok whats going on there hindle?!
hindle8907
23-02-10, 03:05 PM
phosphorus trailing is caused by fast moving actions combined with high contrast.
its more prone on brand new sets but is really rare and if you do get this issue it does usually settle after a good few hours use. It is advisable that your run you new set on low settings for the first 200 hours to break in the cells gently, This will should eliminate phosphorus trailing if you are geting any and minimize image retention.(you can check how long your set has been on in the service menu).
I have never experienced this problem on any of my sets but i do allways run them in on low as I said above.
I bet thats a brand new set and that idiot has got it set on 100% contrast i would send it back if it didnt clear up when the contrast is lowered and the set has been run in for at least 100 hours.
You should calibrate you plasma for best results there are lots of guides out there I have never used a plasma with out the box settings they are always maxed out and make the set look crap.
contrast on 100 is stupid full stop just makes the picture look Poor.
Yea sorry hindle i just noticed the fool has contrast maxed (something my dad always told me never to do (and hes as technical as a toilet brush)).
Links to a guide you'd recommend perhaps hindle?? I treat my electronics well and if theres a guide i could follow to improve performance etc that would be grand!
Reading reviews this seems to be a good plasma to get and i can keep my LCD one elsewhere. Funny i never thought panasonic did good TV's. shows what i know eh.
hindle8907
23-02-10, 03:40 PM
now that pioneer has stopped making TV's Panasonic are number one.. quality built panels.
I will have a look when i get home mate .
now that pioneer has stopped making TV's Panasonic are number one.. quality built panels.
I will have a look when i get home mate .
What happened to Sony?
Where does it come in the ratings?
hindle8907
23-02-10, 03:59 PM
What happened to Sony?
Where does it come in the ratings?
Sony quit selling plasmas back in 2005/06.
they do make good LCD's sets out of the LCD Range but they are gay for stopping plasma.
Plasma are not very profitable they cost alot to make and the profit is marginal that's why pioneer and Sony stopped producing them.
Sad :(
Still getting good reviews all over only which? seem to be miffed by this TV, not impressed with its SD perfomance. Fortunatley i couldnt give a **** about the SD performance, its HD perfomance gets 4/5 stars :P.
They seem to prefer LCD TV's and all, which is somewhat against the grain for some reviews i'm reading.
LED LCD seems the future but the TV sets are mega expensive at this stage and only take LCD's to the colour levels and black levels of a plasma. I continue on my search but i've yet to find a LCD thats the same price as the plasma above of the same quality!
Ta
ThEGr33k
23-02-10, 04:18 PM
Plasma's have nicer colour than LCD's, can burn thought... Neither is better than the other. Plasma's do get hot but mine dont have a fan :-?
hindle8907
23-02-10, 04:25 PM
Sad :(
Still getting good reviews all over only which? seem to be miffed by this TV, not impressed with its SD perfomance. Fortunatley i couldnt give a **** about the SD performance, its HD perfomance gets 4/5 stars :P.
They seem to prefer LCD TV's and all, which is somewhat against the grain for some reviews i'm reading.
LED LCD seems the future but the TV sets are mega expensive at this stage and only take LCD's to the colour levels and black levels of a plasma. I continue on my search but i've yet to find a LCD thats the same price as the plasma above of the same quality!
Ta
I cant see the SD being bad on that set plasmas process SD feeds really well. I wouldn't believe everything you read in the reviews go and see for your self.
LG 42SL9000 - thats the only TV i can find so far thats comparable for price and spec (its LED LCD).
LG though never been a fan.
Argh buying this TV is tough!
hindle8907
23-02-10, 04:46 PM
If i was buyin a new 42" set i would be geting that g10
If you look on the richer sounds link I put on you'll see that the G15 is only a few quid more...
gettin2dizzy
23-02-10, 06:57 PM
As for other questions my xbox was a launch one until i upgraded to an elite about 1 week ago :P. So i should be able to run the TV in 1080p for gaming correct? 1080p is the main driving force for getting this other than the screen size and image quality!!
You should have just bought the component cable. I'm running 1080 on the super basic xbox :thumbsup:
hindle8907
23-02-10, 07:08 PM
G10 and G15 there is verry little diffrence the shell is a little diffrent and the g15 has 4 hdmi and the g10 has 3 ... the g15 has Viera Cast but that doesnt interest me tbh,
the only good thing is that you can watch Divx off the SD card and it has DLNA access but I have a HTPC so not really any use to me, is still a pretty cool feature.
the sound on the G15 is a little better but tbh doesnt matter how much you spend on a TV they all sound Crap ... thats why you get a 5.1 Amp and some speakers to go with it ;)
You should have just bought the component cable. I'm running 1080 on the super basic xbox :thumbsup:
I had component :P
I wanted the elite for the 120gb hd and the HDMI ports, o and the new warranty. Doesnt sound like a jet engine either.
Gonna hop down to currys on the weekend to look at TV's proper hopefully they have the models i've been looking at.
Hmmmmm just noticed the G20 is out in a month any idea what this model has over g10's as i assume its a direct upgrade.
I'm confused, what's put you off the G10?
That flikr video?
surely that's been discredited by the contrast setting plus iit's recorded on what? a mobile phone & then broadcast over the internet - gotta hurt the quality
I'm not in a rush to buy atm.
Theres loads of stuff on the internet that slams it watch some youtube stuff :P. On the other hand the only negative review i can find is on which (4/5 for HD picture tho as i said they dont seem to like plasmas as a whole).
I'm just checking my options stu :P
I looked into the LG abit more and it has some issues with fast motion so its a no go for a gaming TV. So atm LED LCD is out its too expensive, and LCD doesnt have the rich colours and deep blacks of a plasma (i notice my current LCD while good doesnt do blacks very well they do indeed looked washed out under close inspection).
Atm the G10 is still the front runner for picture quality and size, my m8s got one and he likes it. Theres no harm in checking out all options tho!
Going to currys/dixons etc to check out TV's at the weekend!
I'm not in a rush to buy atm.
Theres loads of stuff on the internet that slams it watch some youtube stuff :P. On the other hand the only negative review i can find is on which (4/5 for HD picture tho as i said they dont seem to like plasmas as a whole).
I'm just checking my options stu :P
I looked into the LG abit more and it has some issues with fast motion so its a no go for a gaming TV. So atm LED LCD is out its too expensive, and LCD doesnt have the rich colours and deep blacks of a plasma (i notice my current LCD while good doesnt do blacks very well they do indeed looked washed out under close inspection).
Atm the G10 is still the front runner for picture quality and size, my m8s got one and he likes it. Theres no harm in checking out all options tho!
Going to currys/dixons etc to check out TV's at the weekend!
plasmas are so hard to test/review in a shop, problem is you cant check the black levels.
Most plasmas always have a grey wash across the screen, this is visable on say the start of star wars which is totaly black with only stars etc.., its ok as soon as a bright object appears on screen as the contrast is so much you eyes tune and the grey looks jet black, some more expensive plasmas and the later models dont suffer so much, ususaly its not a problem and can only be noticed in dark rooms. Ive seen people put a light behind the TV so the wall is lit slightly, like Philips Ambilight.
hindle8907
24-02-10, 10:03 AM
it is hard to review in a shop as they have them set-up Crap and its a big open space with big bright lights. ... if you get your self in a specialist place like sound and vision you will get good advice and they will have showrooms with dark lighting with diffrent Sets on display
hindle8907
24-02-10, 11:13 AM
if you think Oh there's a new set out in 2 months you will never end up with a TV , and new isn't always necessarily better.
if you think Oh there's a new set out in 2 months you will never end up with a TV , and new isn't always necessarily better.
Good point!
I'm going to a richer sounds this weekend (sib willing) to check out some sets and ask advice. They seem to be the cheapest and hopefully they will know more about the TV's than currys etc. Plus if they try to BS me thanks to this thread i'll know!
Trying to look at 3 TV's
TX-P42G10 (obviously since this thread is about it!)
Sony BRAVIA KDL40Z4500 (LCD)
SAMSUNG UE40B7020
Neone dealt with richer sounds do they know their **** or not?
hindle8907
24-02-10, 12:29 PM
your live in Rochdale dont you mate ?
there is a shop in farmworth called sound and vision try get your self in there too its a good little shop.
As for richer sounds they seem OK when I have been in there but doesnt matter where you go they will allays try bull**** you into getting the next model up .
are you paying cash ?
You have a PM hindle ;)
Yes i'll be paying cash upfront!
phil24_7
25-02-10, 11:08 PM
Richer Sounds have been good to me in the past. Try to get a manager rather than a floor person to help as they are generally more knowledgeable. Also do some background research on the sets before hand as it'll help you spot the bull.
Richer Sounds have been good to me in the past. Try to get a manager rather than a floor person to help as they are generally more knowledgeable. Also do some background research on the sets before hand as it'll help you spot the bull.
Cheers Phil :)
Done massive amounts of research compared to my first HD TV (samsung model from 06 that i bought when gears of war was released). Fortunately it wasnt a bad TV at the time, but now it sucks 5000:1 constrat ratio 720p/1080i :(.
Its amazing the more i read about the TV stuff the more you learn how an amazing TV set for films etc sucks for gaming as the response times are crap. Plus as someone said newer doesnt mean better atm i've got my eye on the sony z4500 (released late 2008) and G15 version of the panasonic (early-mid last year). The Z5500 though a newer model of the Z4500 is worse for gaming (higher input lag) and not much picture improvement! Which baffles me! (Ignoring the samsung for high input lag which seems common across all the LED LCD's according to reviews)
Tis a minefield, this TV stuff. Anyway cheers all for all the help people, i'll be off to get these 2 tv's demoed and advice on saturday! I'll also be taking a bluray copy of the dark knight to test the black levels on em!(if they let me!)
phil24_7
26-02-10, 08:51 PM
It may also be worth popping over to the avforum and have a look through some of the threads. They helped me a lot.
750quid with a five year warranty TX-P42G15!
Very happy with the purchase it arrives on Thursday i'll let you know how it goes!!
Sound and vision in bolton.
Nice bunch of folks there to be honest.
Didnt try to make me buy a more expensive set even though i did say i had more to spend. I played Dark knight on bluray on the Panasonic looked good.
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