View Full Version : Nearly left a gixxer coloured mark on the road
scottjames
03-03-10, 10:17 PM
Been out for a ride to night with some friends, had been out for half hour of constant riding at a fair pace. The back had been a bit skitish all night but then as i exited a round about and got the power on it spun up big time and threw me up onto my feet and left me leaning over the tank. Thank fully ive got a good natural reaction of closing the throttle in these situations ;) and all is fine.
certainly got some stick from the others when we stopped, no one came near me as apprently i smelt a bit off they said. :D
any way dont let these odd spots of sun fool you remember its cold still!!!
scott
I did about 60 miles yesterday, I was forever watching out for gravel in the roads from the newly formed pot holes. Nothing as brown-trouser as yours though!
yorkie_chris
03-03-10, 10:49 PM
Slamming the throttle shut is what turns a little bit of spinning up into a big bit of highside...
Funny when I read title I expected this to be a thread by davepreston...
I can confirm that closing the throttle throws the bike down the road.....:(
I panicked when I was about to lowside and closed the throttle, the next thing that happened was me summersaulting through the air with the bike bouncing along the road....
Much to the amusement of the two cars that stopped to check I was ok.
I was OK btw, just a bit stiff for a few days.
xXBADGERXx
03-03-10, 11:25 PM
I had something similar on a GSX1400 , there`s a good story about it on here somewhere , I had that Bull buck about 3 times underneath me before it settled down and I landed plums first into the tank , after that I was very Tenacious with the throttle .
yorkie_chris
03-03-10, 11:26 PM
Wobbles are scary. Trick is to close the throttle a bit so it comes back into line slowly.
I fail at that. Got highsided last time.
mmm, learn something knew everyday
lukemillar
04-03-10, 05:50 AM
Thank fully ive got a good natural reaction of closing the throttle in these situations ;) and all is fine.
That's the worse thing you could do. Any more pace and you would have highsided yo' ass down the road!
dizzyblonde
04-03-10, 08:12 AM
any way dont let these odd spots of sun fool you remember its cold still!!!
scott
At least theres one thing you noted, the roads aren't in the condition needed for 'riding at a fair pace'...not yet anyway. Slow down, then yer bike won't feel skittish and you won't get brown trouser moments, when you hit that bit of slime/frost;)
Alpinestarhero
04-03-10, 08:20 AM
Around the same time last year I had a biiiig slide exiting a roundabout off the A272 going up the slip road to join the A23 to brighton. Its the first slide I'd ever had, and it did make me think about the lack of grip. I must have only been at 5000 rpm on a whiff of throttle!
I'm not quite sure what I did, I dont think I shut the throttle completly but I do remember sitting up and waiting a breif moment before gassing it up to join at speed.
The worst moment I had was exiting a roundabout when I was out with some soho people last summer, about 3 weeks before the annual rideout...I was in 2nd gear I think, and the revs went up but I didnt really go anywhere, so I backed off and let it regain grip, which it did and sent me into a bit of a wobble. I became quite paranoid for a while that I had oil from my bike on my rear tyre
ThEGr33k
04-03-10, 09:11 AM
Not really had anything coming out of corners that can be attributed to bad weather, though my rear feels planted as hell anyway. Few times ive had some drifting, it tends to wheelie before it loses traction I find.
Only had wheel spin a few times and thanfully when I been going in a straight line so not much of an issue.
As many have said, the sudden grip found after closing the throttle can be enough to throw you off the side of the bike. Best advice. Ride to the conditions and your comfort level, or you will end up regretting it.
yorkie_chris
04-03-10, 09:16 AM
At least theres one thing you noted, the roads aren't in the condition needed for 'riding at a fair pace'...not yet anyway. Slow down, then yer bike won't feel skittish and you won't get brown trouser moments, when you hit that bit of slime/frost;)
BS, you just need to be more progressive in finding how much grip there is. It is when you suddenly whack the throttle open that it will spit you off.
same applies to rear brake as throttle. I got spat off my 125 by locking up the rear by braking too hard whilst beginning to tip in for a corner. Of course the rear went sideways, I released the brake too late and it highsided. Some advise not to release the brake at all in those conditions.
scottjames
04-03-10, 12:09 PM
I know slamin the throttle closed introduces a highside I've done that plenty of times doing motorcross , what a pain in the bum :) fortuantly they are quite droppable with little damage. The slide and wobble afterwards
bleed most of the speed out of it me closing the throttle was mainly on the straight after reflecting on my new
mistake. :D
I want to try different tires I'm struggling to get any temp in these.
plowsie
04-03-10, 12:15 PM
Thank fully ive got a good natural reaction of closing the throttle in these situations ;) and all is fine.
Clearly you still have a lot to learn and your natural reactions aren't actually that good...
What rubber does it have on at the minute?
Son of a beesting
04-03-10, 12:43 PM
Ok so shutting power is bad, do you keep same amount of throttle on and hope, ease of throttle a bit..??
I think you need to break it down to how big the slide is. shutting down the throttle full stop is a bad idea as the rear wheel just locks back up again, grabs the tarmac and will throw you. If you've only slid an inch or so you'll get a kick, but not a big one, just enough to wake you up. These I've found are best solved through better throttle control, you can get away with rolling off a little bit and trying again (This is based on my method in the wet on a race track trying to get the power on.) A proper slide will happen very quickly and more often than not you wont really have the time to react, but I've been told the best thing you can do is grab the clutch and let the rear wheel aclimatise at its own pace so you can get back on your way again.
Luckypants
04-03-10, 01:15 PM
I want to try different tires I'm struggling to get any temp in these.
Because clearly the problem is the tyres, not the rider? :rolleyes:
sunshine
04-03-10, 03:11 PM
Because clearly the problem is the tyres, not the rider? :rolleyes:
Of course it is didn't you read his last post, the tyre arent warming up
LMAO at this thread. Season has barely started and were back on again. :lol:
plowsie
04-03-10, 03:22 PM
Of course it is didn't you read his last post, the tyre arent warming up
Not the incapability to use 130+ bhp properly? :smt043
lukemillar
04-03-10, 09:07 PM
Ok so shutting power is bad, do you keep same amount of throttle on and hope, ease of throttle a bit..??
Ideally check the throttle or roll off very slightly while bring the bike more upright at the same time.
However, most won't even have a chance to think about it! Just has to be an instinctive reaction but unfortunately, most will snap the throttle shut instead
ThEGr33k
04-03-10, 10:50 PM
What tyre's you running atm? Pilot Road 2's are great road tyre's imo. There are plenty of others too, id say sports touring will probably be a nice choice, these days there is virtually nothing in them and sports rubber!
scottjames
05-03-10, 09:13 AM
Chill out guys.
Not the incapability to use 130+ bhp properly? :smt043
Plowsie I think if I didn't have the ability to use 130bhp I would have thrown it already. Now I'm nit saying I'm an amazing rider i clearly still make mistakes still but I must be doing some thing right to have lasted the hardest part if the
year with out any trouble. Now I've had slides before this was just a bit more excitin than most. The whole event was a mix of every thing I think, it wasn't the warmest day out, to much to soon maybe, I'm Not feeling the tires either but I then I had tht feeling before I put away before winter.
It's still currently it the
stock tires. Bt016 I believe. I like the on the sv and have used them for the last three sets. However I'm not feeling the response I would like on the gsxr, I feel like there should be more. I know it's not really the time to be giving
opinions as I'm sure once the weather warms up they will be alot better. This is the biggest tire i've spent a while riding And so I'm still learning how they are.
Cheer scott
plowsie
05-03-10, 09:33 AM
Chill out guys.
Plowsie I think if I didn't have the ability to use 130bhp I would have thrown it already. Now I'm nit saying I'm an amazing rider i clearly still make mistakes still but I must be doing some thing right to have lasted the hardest part if the
year with out any trouble. Now I've had slides before this was just a bit more excitin than most. The whole event was a mix of every thing I think, it wasn't the warmest day out, to much to soon maybe, I'm Not feeling the tires either but I then I had tht feeling before I put away before winter.
It's still currently it the
stock tires. Bt016 I believe. I like the on the sv and have used them for the last three sets. However I'm not feeling the response I would like on the gsxr, I feel like there should be more. I know it's not really the time to be giving
opinions as I'm sure once the weather warms up they will be alot better. This is the biggest tire i've spent a while riding And so I'm still learning how they are.
Cheer scott
Odd, BT016 are the dual compound front and tri-rear aren't they?
The sort of riding your apparently doing would IMO be enough to get heat in the tyres, so maybe your not actually building up enough heat in the tyres...
EDIT: Also, what you say about not being handle the hp you'd have thrown it already is a very poor comment.
As plowsie said riding like you supposedly are doing would be doing enough to get those tyres warm. However if you were sedately riding and then all of a sudden threw it into a corner expecting grip, things will go wrong.
Owenski
05-03-10, 10:06 AM
Wobbles are scary. Trick is to close the throttle a bit so it comes back into line slowly.
I fail at that. Got highsided last time.
Trick is not to have YC behind you! lol
twice he's been behind me and seen my SV's back wheel try to over take the front. Both times would have been classed as my fault had I binned it (one a car changing lanes I tried to go round the back of rather than slow down and wait, the 2nd was an overtake which wasnt really nessecary I just HATE been sat behind taxi's lol). They're never nice moments scotty I can vouch for that :) no matter if your been a bit silly or not.
Besides did I read scotty that you do a bit of motor cross/enduro? A little back end twitch wont **** you up as it would most these tarmac monkies I'm sure the other off roaders (speedplay etc) will back me up that a bit off drift is what its all about :D
suzsv650
05-03-10, 11:59 AM
LOL!!
Odd, BT016 are the dual compound front and tri-rear aren't they?
Yes. But possibly no in this case!
It's still currently it the
stock tires. Bt016 I believe. I like the on the sv and have used them for the last three sets. However I'm not feeling the response I would like on the gsxr, I feel like there should be more.
If they are the OEM tyres, they are single compound front and dual compound rear. You can check the sidewall for the OEM code. If they are aftermarket BT016 then plowsie is correct.
Here's a pic - if there is a letter after the R(ear) as circled, then it is an OEM dual compound rear. No letter, then a tri-compound aftermarket rear.
http://img5.indafoto.hu/4/5/27005_8788fba6a40330756f59a37106b005d5/3966775_18199d7eda57094da57ab04e974fe869_l.jpg
Same thing for the F(ront) obviously. No letter = dual compound, letter = single compound.
AndyBrad
05-03-10, 12:57 PM
having had a wobble on ym bike this morning (setting off from the end of the road at a round about, trying to make good progress and finding the back spinning up sliding etc) i am curoious about all this getting heat into tyers. I ride a short (5-6 miles) commute and currently have avon viper sports on the bike. Previously on the sv after 1.5-2 miles on avon storms i had enough grip for my riding. However i am finding that i am feeling the back end "wobble" a bit.
Any real advice would be apreciated.
Owenski
05-03-10, 01:00 PM
its cos your a power crazed loon Andy, clearly the new bike is too much for you and you should just donate it to me.
PS change your avatar
AndyBrad
05-03-10, 01:13 PM
i've tried changing my piccy and it doesnt want to :( will try again.
and yea i would offer it but i know its not your cuppa tea. :)
Dave20046
05-03-10, 01:14 PM
having had a wobble on ym bike this morning (setting off from the end of the road at a round about, trying to make good progress and finding the back spinning up sliding etc) i am curoious about all this getting heat into tyers. I ride a short (5-6 miles) commute and currently have avon viper sports on the bike. Previously on the sv after 1.5-2 miles on avon storms i had enough grip for my riding. However i am finding that i am feeling the back end "wobble" a bit.
Any real advice would be apreciated.
Possibly just slippy roads mate? Got a shock a few months ago when the roads were greasier than I expected opened the throttle wide in 4th and span up the back wheel. Manx matt did the same shortly before (but much worse!).
p.s simesb that picture's really weird, I thought I was viewing the top of the tyre - though the rubber looked absolutely shagged...til I realised the reason it looked like tarmac was because it was
Owenski
05-03-10, 01:29 PM
Possibly just slippy roads mate? Got a shock a few months ago when the roads were greasier than I expected opened the throttle wide in 4th and span up the back wheel. Manx matt did the same shortly before (but much worse!).
p.s simesb that picture's really weird, I thought I was viewing the top of the tyre - though the rubber looked absolutely shagged...til I realised the reason it looked like tarmac was because it was
Manx's wobble was right in front of me, it was like he was waggin his tail lol a good foot movement to either side. Good lad powered through it though.
AndyBrad
05-03-10, 01:51 PM
oooooof! sounda scary. where was that?
plowsie
05-03-10, 02:18 PM
p.s simesb that picture's really weird, I thought I was viewing the top of the tyre - though the rubber looked absolutely shagged...til I realised the reason it looked like tarmac was because it was
Until you said that I accepted it was just the tyre lol.
Owenski
05-03-10, 02:22 PM
Until you said that I accepted it was just the tyre lol.
+1 but I didnt want to b the first to admit to it lol.
Andy that was just after Mr Spears's scorch mark on the snake pass.
Dave20046
05-03-10, 02:28 PM
Andy IIRC that was somewhere sheffield end of the snakepass - manx pulled out for an overtake (into oncoming traffic lane) gave it the means and lots the back end (shook his feet off the pegs),scary. I had a lesser one near hathersage, had a landrover up my **** though hehe no worries I'll shoot off now; opened the throttle and the back just went from one side to the other to the other :smt011
Until you said that I accepted it was just the tyre lol.
Glad I'm not the only spaz, if a third person makes the same mistake can we blame the picture?
plowsie
05-03-10, 02:39 PM
Glad I'm not the only spaz, if a third person makes the same mistake can we blame the picture?
+1 but I didnt want to b the first to admit to it lol.
Yoink ;)
Bloody photographers :smt075
Owenski
05-03-10, 02:40 PM
Andy IIRC that was somewhere sheffield end of the snakepass - manx pulled out for an overtake (into oncoming traffic lane) gave it the means and lots the back end (shook his feet off the pegs),scary. I had a lesser one near hathersage, had a landrover up my **** though hehe no worries I'll shoot off now; opened the throttle and the back just went from one side to the other to the other :smt011
Glad I'm not the only spaz, if a third person makes the same mistake can we blame the picture?
Look up. (the web page as I imagine your now looking at the office ceiling).
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