View Full Version : Wootton Bassett Bikers - You're ANNOYING
YEAH SERIOUSLY .....
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/observation-post/2010/03/on-your-bike-for-the-troops.html
.... Yes my post earlier highlighted that what we did was in no way matched to what the troops are doing but to call it "annoying" is going a bit far.
Hes got one of them faces you just want to slap
:toss:
Geodude
15-03-10, 09:13 PM
Idiot :mad:
madfortwowheels
15-03-10, 09:14 PM
total wa**er
speedplay
15-03-10, 09:18 PM
I don't agree with the way that he's gone about writing the article but I do feel sorry for the people of WB having somewhere around 15000 bikers trawling through their village horns blazing.
I have friends serving in afghan and can honestly say, if one of them were killed out there I'd show my support in a different way.
Each to their own I guess.
Wideboy
15-03-10, 09:20 PM
haha i read this and just laughed, shows how dumb some cage people are with their lack of knowledge about bikes by trundling their petrol guzzling and fume spewing steeds through Wootton Bassett.
i wonder what he drives about, im sure its most economical
C*nt.
That is all, what a absolute @rsehole.
busasean
15-03-10, 09:23 PM
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/observation-post/2010/03/woottonnbikers---a-response.html#more
looks like he's had a bollocking.......
Sid Squid
15-03-10, 09:24 PM
Similar article in the Grauniad the day before the rally.
From a similarly deluded prat.
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/observation-post/2010/03/woottonnbikers---a-response.html#more
looks like he's had a bollocking.......
Not good enough, no apology in there just a reference to the conversation between him and Graham Brough.
The man is an idiot and should be sacked for saying things like that. Any fund raising of any kind can never be called annoying if its done for the right reasons by the right people.
Red Herring
15-03-10, 09:39 PM
Everyones entitled to an opinion, you don't have to read it, or agree with it, just appreciate that his right to be able to say it is what the troops are fighting for. I think we've had this discussion before though.
squirrel_hunter
15-03-10, 09:39 PM
This bigoted view is similar to the article that appeared in the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/5052821.15_000_bikers_heading_our_way_this_weekend/) last Thursday spouting offensive misguided drivel about the biking community.
I was speaking to two residents of Wootton Bassett today both said that it is the media and the way they conduct themselves in the town that they have the greatest problems and objections to.
Everyones entitled to an opinion, you don't have to read it, or agree with it, just appreciate that his right to be able to say it is what the troops are fighting for. I think we've had this discussion before though.
To have an opinion - yes, to publish in a newspaper when that opinion is misguided, ill-informed, unresearched and an unfair representation of the day - Not necessarily.
Why are we all hairy?
I would like more hair so I can grow a beard, but I can't... :(
I don't agree with the way that he's gone about writing the article but I do feel sorry for the people of WB having somewhere around 15000 bikers trawling through their village horns blazing.
In fairness the organisers made it very clear that everyone was to conduct themselves respectfully without excessive noise. However whilst rising through Wootton Bassett people were holding hand made banners saying things like "Beep For Heroes", giving the air horn hand signs, and revving signs. They loved it and obviously wanted to show there support.
:rant:
Wideboy
15-03-10, 09:52 PM
its got nothing to do with wootton basset, its just an excuse to bash bikes because we're all barstewards that go around raping and speeding a generally causing all the accidents on the road, ban bike and it will solve all world problems and all wars will stop
BBadger
15-03-10, 09:57 PM
TBH most people will read this and think what a small minded complete and utter t*t, but it's that minority of people who read the mail for its amazing stories as we've just seen we should be worried about as ive met so many people who aren't quite clever enough to not believe what you read in the paper.
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Id love to see him report in person at the brighton burnup or somthing of similar size and see what happens once everyone knows who he is.
dizzyblonde
15-03-10, 09:58 PM
Why are we all hairy?
I would like more hair so I can grow a beard, but I can't... :(
Well I think your avatar explains your problem Sal, you've too many girl genes;)
As for the WB thing, why don't they just shove ugly and tattoo'd in there too, may as well complete the stereotype:rolleyes:.
Its not really my sort of ride, I'm on the fence when it comes to the whole WB thing TBH, but it obviously meant so much to so many to attend in such astonishing numbers. I don't see why they were seen as annoying. The bloke and the tabloids should be ashamed to belittle such a succesful fundraiser.
-Ralph-
15-03-10, 10:00 PM
Not good enough, no apology in there just a reference to the conversation between him and Graham Brough.
The man is an idiot and should be sacked for saying things like that. Any fund raising of any kind can never be called annoying if its done for the right reasons by the right people.
I agree (idiot bit, not sure he deserves to loose his job), lots of fund raising involves peoples hobbies, it's the best way to get as many as possible to participate. The guy was being a *****. But there was an apology of some sort though:
"But far more importantly he pointed out that I was wrong to make light of something that was done in all sincerity and for a very good cause. For this reason I apologise to those of you who have written in"
Perhaps a shame it was organised for WB, they are getting invaded a lot lately, did feel a bit sorry for residents, we (the royal we, I couldn't go) would have attended and raised money just the same if it had been somewhere else.
Alpinestarhero
15-03-10, 10:03 PM
If he posted that on a biking forum, we'd call him a troll
But he's much worse
my god
he's a columnist
"But far more importantly he pointed out that I was wrong to make light of something that was done in all sincerity and for a very good cause. For this reason I apologise to those of you who have written in"
My oversight but it does say "those of you who have written in"
-Ralph-
15-03-10, 10:09 PM
Not good enough, no apology in there just a reference to the conversation between him and Graham Brough.
The man is an idiot and should be sacked for saying things like that. Any fund raising of any kind can never be called annoying if its done for the right reasons by the right people.
My oversight but it does say "those of you who have written in"
That's why I said an apology of some sort, he should really have apologised to all those who dragged their arses out of bed on Sunday morning to get there.
DarrenSV650S
15-03-10, 10:10 PM
grrrrrrrr I'm so angry........... no wait............ I don't care
He's a columnist, for the mirror :rolleyes:
BBadger
15-03-10, 10:11 PM
After seeing this linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkvcacPIp48)
I think he might see things more like this rather than the real world view.
Red Herring
15-03-10, 10:13 PM
To have an opinion - yes, to publish in a newspaper when that opinion is misguided, ill-informed, unresearched and an unfair representation of the day - Not necessarily.
That's your opinion, although probably quite well supported on here. People will always want to express their opinion, and some are better placed than others to have theirs heard. Of course, they didn't just get there overnight, most had to work their way up a ladder and they didn't do so by generally expressing misguided, ill-informed and unresearched views.
yorkie_chris
15-03-10, 10:53 PM
Dnftt :)
"In the summer I told how my mate, writer and top bomb disposal expert Major Chris Hunter was running the marathon in a very heavy bomb suit. Now that's a proper sacrifice for your pals! and it doesn't put anyone out."
Marathons don't put anyone out?
This tw4t has obviously never tried to get round that London when all those part-time running freaks decide they want to raise money by wearing fancy dress and strolling around on closed off public highways.
Wootton Bassett = small Wiltshire village/town that doesn't have much happening on Sundays
London = English capital which doesn't really stop or slow down at weekends
Which do you think suffers the most disruption and inconvenience when some group raises funds by closing off roads?
Which do you think suffers the most disruption and inconvenience when some group raises funds by closing off roads?
Very well put.
Having seen the Guardian article before the event that Sid Squid mentioned I was a bit worried that the event was not what the residents wanted. But having seen so many lining the streets supporting it, I don't think there's any doubt that the whole thing was positive.
yorkie_chris
15-03-10, 11:28 PM
Like you are going to listen to a load of pinko commies in guardian anyway
Like you are going to listen to a load of pinko commies in guardian anyway
Well I'm not accustomed to reading the Guardian or anything in it but it was posted on another forum and I kind of held it in some high regard as a quality newspaper, unlike the Mirror that this is in. But it really was vile trash from some poor deluded individual that obviously wasn't speaking for the residents of WB that he claimed to be.
BanannaMan
16-03-10, 12:21 AM
its got nothing to do with wootton basset, its just an excuse to bash bikes because we're all barstewards that go around raping and speeding a generally causing all the accidents on the road, ban bike and it will solve all world problems and all wars will stop
At least one person has seen the light! ;)
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There's has always been and there will always be, the bashing of bikers by the media. Just the thought of riding scares some people senseless.
Surely anyone mad enough to ride a bike must be the evil scum of the earth.
And this poor bloke likely only rides public transport. LOL
Still considering the cause and the turnout.... No matter his opinion of bikes and bikers, he really should have kept shut on this one.
Yes ...I know he was well with in his rights to express his opinion....
But I find I have very little sympathy for those excercising their rights by proving they don't deserve them.
His article was not only a disgrace to the those who participated in the event but even more so towards the honour of the cause, those for whom the event was held. The people who sacrificed to insure his freedom.
What a jerk...
Still again...really nothing new or surprizing here.
A jerk in a long line of jerks...
Bashing bikes sells copies.
You'll likely be seeing it again....
what a c*ck!!!
needs a good slap!
missyburd
16-03-10, 01:01 AM
Oh dear, he was blatantly just throwing meat to the lions :rolleyes: Silly beggar.
At the end of the day, a hell of a lot of money came out of the event, people came together and made an effort for a good cause, what the hell does it matter if they were on bikes, unicycles or donkeys? To be fair, a large congregation like that would have been flamed regardless, bikers are just easy targets sadly.
Red Herring
16-03-10, 06:37 AM
I try to pick the points out of the article and consider them rather than flame the individual because I don't like what he is saying. In essence all he is doing is questioning the principal of holding such an event to raise money, and in fairness he has some sound argument. The event apparently raised 100,000 towards a very worthwhile cause, and it took 10,000 bikers to get together to do it. His comparison with marathons etc is wasted because generally there people get sponsored to take part, here individuals paid (I believe) to participate but never the less it works out about £10 per rider. Now I'm wiling to wager that most riders that took part probably did more than another £10 in petrol, and quite a few had a night away, plus eating out etc, in fact i suspect that most of the riders that took part in this event paid out over £50 to be there. If we were really serious about raising money for this cause we would all have stayed at home, "given up" something we all enjoy doing for the day, and raised five times as much money for our cause. When you take out the cost of actually organizing (and policing) such an event I don't think you would have had much change from your £100,000.
I do appreciate that events such as this are not just about economics, but then few things rarely are.
454697819
16-03-10, 07:58 AM
Thats great..
"why cant people do something the dont like to support charity"
ok then i don't like punching people however I might start a sponsored punch int eh faceathon?
haha i read this and just laughed, shows how dumb some cage people are with their lack of knowledge about bikes
i wonder what he drives about, im sure its most economicalWell, if you think about it 15000 bikes would would be approx 3700 cars if every car had 4 to it, therefore the polution levels would be less in the cars than on the bikes...annnnyyyywayyyy, im still not ofay with all this Hero stuff. They are doing thier job. No no one deserves to loose thier life, but sadly its part of the job. i respect them, but wouldnt go as far as saying they are heros.
If your a thoughtless, heartless, foul, selfish weird hermit of a man I can see why it might be annoying.
For everyone else well done.
Have noticed the start up of FACEBOOK groups ..... Sack Chris Hughes and Boycott The Mirror!!! lol
Have noticed the start up of FACEBOOK groups ..... Sack Chris Hughes and Boycott The Mirror!!! lol
good times!
I would hazard a guess that most people who've read the article, and seen the news will know what a t!t he is.
I found the article so far from reality as to be very amusing. Not worth giving him any credit for a balanced article - I'd just turn the page and move on.
I notice those links now point to 404 'Page not Found' errors...
speedplay
16-03-10, 07:44 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_g05rcQEz--I/R8tl_qizfuI/AAAAAAAAAXU/YVbhq5vb4yk/s400/flogging%2Ba%2Bdead%2Bhorse.jpg
TimTucker
16-03-10, 08:18 PM
You've joined a Facebook group asking for a journalist to be sacked because he wrote something you disagreed with? Isn't that a little ... puerile?
I'm with Red on this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion; if you happen to disagree with it, you're entitled to that as well. It's not a sacking offence to write something people that annoys people, even if it's written badly. Not everyone is an expert on everything. People write things that stick to, or reinforce, well-worn stereotypes. The standards of journalism aren't always quite what you expect them to be, especially when it comes to blogs rather than print.
I can't believe that every single man, woman and child living in Wootton Bassett was in favour of Sunday's demonstration. I seem to recall that one of the things the residents have complained about is the focus that has been put on their village as a result of what originally arose as a spontaneous mark of respect for the fallen soldiers whose bodies passed through from the airbase.
This was mentioned when the Islam4UK march was proposed. The spokesperson was clear to point out that he wasn't saying that the group shouldn't demonstrate, but that the villages didn't feel that Wootton Bassett was the place for such a demonstration. Perhaps there are a residents who didn't want last Sunday's march and agreed with the journalist's comments. The "hairy bikers" quote came not the author.
Agreed, I don't really care about what he said. He can write whatever he wants to.
I do find it a bit off that the offending article has been removed however...
Either leave it up and stick to your guns, or apologise in a followup article.
Removing it just seems a bit... dishonest.
I try to pick the points out of the article and consider them rather than flame the individual because I don't like what he is saying. In essence all he is doing is questioning the principal of holding such an event to raise money, and in fairness he has some sound argument. The event apparently raised 100,000 towards a very worthwhile cause, and it took 10,000 bikers to get together to do it. His comparison with marathons etc is wasted because generally there people get sponsored to take part, here individuals paid (I believe) to participate but never the less it works out about £10 per rider. Now I'm wiling to wager that most riders that took part probably did more than another £10 in petrol, and quite a few had a night away, plus eating out etc, in fact i suspect that most of the riders that took part in this event paid out over £50 to be there. If we were really serious about raising money for this cause we would all have stayed at home, "given up" something we all enjoy doing for the day, and raised five times as much money for our cause. When you take out the cost of actually organizing (and policing) such an event I don't think you would have had much change from your £100,000.
I do appreciate that events such as this are not just about economics, but then few things rarely are.
Funny enough I had the same thought...
I try to pick the points out of the article and consider them rather than flame the individual because I don't like what he is saying. In essence all he is doing is questioning the principal of holding such an event to raise money, and in fairness he has some sound argument. The event apparently raised 100,000 towards a very worthwhile cause, and it took 10,000 bikers to get together to do it. His comparison with marathons etc is wasted because generally there people get sponsored to take part, here individuals paid (I believe) to participate but never the less it works out about £10 per rider. Now I'm wiling to wager that most riders that took part probably did more than another £10 in petrol, and quite a few had a night away, plus eating out etc, in fact i suspect that most of the riders that took part in this event paid out over £50 to be there. If we were really serious about raising money for this cause we would all have stayed at home, "given up" something we all enjoy doing for the day, and raised five times as much money for our cause. When you take out the cost of actually organizing (and policing) such an event I don't think you would have had much change from your £100,000.
I do appreciate that events such as this are not just about economics, but then few things rarely are.
I thought the event was much more a show of support for both troops overseas and residents of WB. the raising of money was secondary. Hence the need to attend, not stay home & send money
rpwoodman
17-03-10, 12:26 PM
... I do feel sorry for the people of WB having somewhere around 15000 bikers trawling through their village horns blazing.
Not sure if this was just a figure of speech (so no criticism intended of Speedplay), but for anyone who went, did people use their horns much? If I lived in WB and people rode through the village, horns going, I think I'd be pretty annoyed.
I know a lot of people like loud exhausts (I don't), but creating a load of noise isn't going to endear bikers to anyone other than other inconsiderates.
Not sure if this was just a figure of speech (so no criticism intended of Speedplay), but for anyone who went, did people use their horns much? If I lived in WB and people rode through the village, horns going, I think I'd be pretty annoyed.
I know a lot of people like loud exhausts (I don't), but creating a load of noise isn't going to endear bikers to anyone other than other inconsiderates.
No, in the rider briefing we were told not to use horns or excessive noise, no wheelies or anything that would be frowned upon. Saying that there were banners saying "Beep For Heroes" so was rude not too. Not sure the people who "just turned up" knew about the briefing cos there was some noise coming from the odd few around us.
Grant66
17-03-10, 12:35 PM
Removing it just seems a bit... dishonest.
Totally agree. Removing an article with so many -ve comments shows utter contept for the people his views offended.
raising of money was secondary
raising awareness and a show of support is probably more important than the actual cash. If it was all about cash then they would be shaking tins outside tesco.
Obviously the articles have now been removed so I am unable to read them and as such can't make comment to the content. However I do feel sorry for the population of Wootton Bassett. My personal opinion is making it the main focal point of this event was wrong. Bikers should not have used the town at all. I also agree in the main with the article written by Scott McPherson of the Swindon Advertiser and the comments made by the local residents (apart from the hairy biker bit obviously).
As for the comments complaining about the original article published in the Mirror. First there are complaints about it and then there are complaints when it's been removed. Talk about not being able to please some people. :roll:
yorkie_chris
17-03-10, 10:15 PM
Can't remember who said I disagree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it, but they had a point.
Then you've got the "won't somebody think of the children" "offended" people. This seems to be worst mix of both.
Personally I can cope with thinking somebody is a c**t, I can also cope with somebody calling me a c**t in print without calling for their head. Seems to convey a meanness of spirit which doesn't belong. "that reported, what a bellend" seems to me to be a more fitting chant than "off with his head".
For chrissake don't get on the same high horse as the loony left wing "you can have freedom of speech so long as you agree with us" bunch.
allantheboss
17-03-10, 10:32 PM
Money is generated by people's pleasure.
If people raise money by doing something they don't enjoy, others sponsor them for the amusement.
In this case, people paid to ride their bikes, as they enjoy it.
Money is raised, people are happy. He is just complaining that it was not the former method. There is no extra benefit of people doing something they don't enjoy for charity.
squirrel_hunter
17-03-10, 11:52 PM
Can't remember who said I disagree with what you say but I'll fight for your right to say it, but they had a point.
The quote is widely attributed to Voltaire however I believe it actually comes from a biographer paraphrasing his work (however its been many a year since I left Uni when I debated that point). But it is a sentiment I agree with.
I do not agree with what the author wrote, but it his right to say it just as it is mine to point out how misguided I think it is. I would not call to silence him, but will rally round to point out the error of his ways in a hope to change his view point. One could argue that the authors lame attempt at an apology and now disappearance of the article has demonstrated that this has happened and his view has changed. I very much doubt that.
I would prefer if articles like this would remain so the public at large could make their own informed choice on the issues by listening to both sides of the argument. As without expressing views, challenging them and learning from the arguments we will never gain any new knowledge or experiences.
That is of course all my most humble of opinions and any reader is free to agree or disagree with the views expressed.
http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/03/daily-mirror-hughes-facebook
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/forces-of-facebook-turn-on-daily-mirror-1923869.html
Other papers are starting to listen.
I have sent my copy of the letter to the major media networks and also to the Mirror group that was provided by the "Chris Hughes" group. If anyone also wants to email them then PM me your address and I will forward the detail.
Oh f***'n great :roll: Motorcyclists have been issuing death threats now =D>.
What about the Guardian article? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/10/wootton-bassett-bikers-islam4uk Wot no backlash? :???: or can bikers not understand the big words used in the Guardian?
speedplay
20-03-10, 07:32 AM
Nice to see that motorcyclists have risen to the occaision and threatened him..
That's a really good way of showing how charitable we all are.
As for calling for him to be sacked, what happened to freedom of speach?
Isn't that one of the things that the boys getting killed in afghan are fighting for?!
metalangel
20-03-10, 09:04 AM
Oh f***'n great :roll: Motorcyclists have been issuing death threats now =D>.
What about the Guardian article? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/mar/10/wootton-bassett-bikers-islam4uk Wot no backlash? :???: or can bikers not understand the big words used in the Guardian?
He's a t****r too. You know why there's so much focus on WB now, mate? Because you lot in media can't help but show it as often as possible.
As for calling for him to be sacked, what happened to freedom of speach?
Isn't that one of the things that the boys getting killed in afghan are fighting for?!
Well yeah. He has the freedom to call us all sorts of bad things, and we have the freedom to insult him right back.
speedplay
20-03-10, 09:08 AM
Well yeah. He has the freedom to call us all sorts of bad things, and we have the freedom to insult him right back.
Yes he does have the freedom to call us whatever he likes.
But we dont have the right to threaten him or demand his job.
metalangel
20-03-10, 09:48 AM
Threaten, no. Demand punishment, yes.
speedplay
20-03-10, 09:51 AM
Threaten, no. Demand punishment, yes.
Punishment for what?
Exercising his right of freedom of speech?!
metalangel
20-03-10, 09:52 AM
In terms of freedom of speech, we're entitled to say we think he needs some sort of reprimand, even if it's groundless to expect one.
edit: just enjoyed this comment:
The battle for Wootton Bassett
... does sound like a Monty Python sketch.
I can see it now. Hordes of bikers being pummeled by a barrage of children's cardboard story books, while ancient Brigadier-Generals shout orders through Fisher Price Kid-Tough Walkie Talkies as leather-clad biker ladies throw cold bacon sandwiches at their heads.
Red Herring
21-03-10, 08:04 PM
Threaten, no. Demand punishment, yes.
So how exactly do you/we have a right to demand punishment? Has he broken any law, has he deprived you of something, are you in some way disadvantaged by his article?
yorkie_chris
21-03-10, 09:17 PM
I dunno, fair punishment, a kick up the rse? A slap with a wet kipper?
-Ralph-
22-03-10, 09:42 AM
I dunno, fair punishment, a kick up the rse? A slap with a wet kipper?
Why not both in rhythmic succession!? Could kick and slap out the tune to the great escape! :D
thedonal
22-03-10, 12:07 PM
[QUOTE=Lozzo;2212487]London = English capital which doesn't really stop or slow down at weekends
QUOTE]
You're kidding right?
Have you been to London recently? Tried getting home after a late gig or just a night out at the pub?
London- the city that never sleeps. Except at night!
Oh- and not to mention all the rail/tube works that disrupt going anywhere in London (how is it they hit the major venues so often?) on the weekends?
metalangel
22-03-10, 12:21 PM
So how exactly do you/we have a right to demand punishment? Has he broken any law, has he deprived you of something, are you in some way disadvantaged by his article?
Not at all. But if we're going to wibble on about free speech, we have as much freedom to demand a groundless punishment as he does to make groundless comments about bikers.
speedplay
22-03-10, 12:48 PM
The difference between speech and actions is very different though.
metalangel
22-03-10, 12:49 PM
Of course. But this is going nowhere, so I'm just going to stop.
Red Herring
22-03-10, 05:58 PM
Not at all. But if we're going to wibble on about free speech, we have as much freedom to demand a groundless punishment as he does to make groundless comments about bikers.
True, so I'm sure you won't mind if I think as much of your demands as I did of his comments.
metalangel
22-03-10, 06:11 PM
When did I ever demand anything? Like I said, this is going nowhere (and I should have stopped when I said but I think people are coming away with an unfair opinion of me because they're misunderstanding) but I was just making the point that you can't slag off people demanding he be reprimanded by saying he was exercising his free speech when those demanding punishment are just exercising theirs too.
I don't think I can explain my position any more clearly. I don't think he should be punished, but I do think other people have the right to say they think he should if it's their opinion. Bloody hell.
Red Herring
22-03-10, 08:41 PM
In posts 59 and 60 the exchange between yourself and Speedplay appears to suggest you believe you have the right to demand a punishment. I responded but asking what gives you that right.
speedplay
22-03-10, 08:52 PM
Red herring, please remind me never to upset you while your working.
I have a strong feeling I would be seriously screwed before I even tried to talk my way out of it ;)
-Ralph-
22-03-10, 10:51 PM
EDIT: Deleted the lot whilst I think about this.....!
-Ralph-
22-03-10, 11:15 PM
OK.
You have the right to feel whatever you want to feel
If you feel the man should be punished you have the right to say so, in whatever manner you see fit
Nobody has to agree with you or think your demand is reasonable, and they have the right to think your a pr1ck
In the sense of free speech you have the right to demand a punishment
The man has not bothered you in anyway, other than that he might have upset you
You don't have the right to decide if he should be punished
If you do demand a punishment, others may feel you are being unreasonable
Under a reason-ability test you don't "have any right", in general everyday usage of the expression, to demand a punishment
Specialone
23-03-10, 12:27 AM
Just my two penneth, the guy who said all the **** about bikers etc in op is a pr1ck.
IMO people like him dont deserve an opinion, but wether i listen to his crap or not he'll still be a pr1ck.
Punishment, not sure, public ridicule maybe, sent to afganistan and argue his point with the troops maybe.
yorkie_chris
23-03-10, 12:25 PM
I would hazard a mild guess that the troops don't really give a flying f*** either way.
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