View Full Version : SV650N to a Z1000?
Good step up ? has anyone riden one of these and what was your view on it ??
the_lone_wolf
29-03-10, 01:51 PM
I think Soulkiss rides one when he's not falling off it...
BBadger
29-03-10, 01:53 PM
Soulkiss has the 750....but i thought the bikes were generally the same bar cc's??
750 probably the better bike tbh.
had a look at the 750 and only ones near me are new 1s seen a fully tricked up 2005 with 11k miles for £4.7k in mint condition fully serviced since new looking at doing a px for my k5
oh like the sig pic by the way proper old school.
750 probably the better bike tbh.
Based upon what?
eviltwin
29-03-10, 02:04 PM
750 probably the better bike tbh.
In what respects? Done thousands of miles on the 1000 but never ridden the 750. What do you find better?
Based upon what?
useability nice inbetween engine size personal preference really.
I went from a curvy 650 naked to a 2006 Z750S - with K&N filter, Remus end can and a PCIII (mapped properly) it made about the same at the back tyre as a stock Z1000 (111hp). Compared to the SV it will feel a lot quicker - the rush of acceleration over 7000rpm is great fun and certainly a good step up from an SV. Its still a cheap bike though (Z750), has the same front brakes as the SV, el-cheapo suspension and vibrates quite a lot - I loved mine though and put 13k on it in 3 years (purely summer pleasure miles)
Try it - you might like it :D
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 02:06 PM
Peg went from sv to Z1000 after him and the Sv was squashed into a million bends.
I believe he put 38k on it in two years, and went everywhere on it.
Loved it.
hmm need to look at booking a test ride on it ive sat on it, and it felt more upright than the sv but was ****ing down so couldnt take it out seemed loads better on build quality but then again new they are like 7k
was originally looking at a bandit 1250 but they weigh more than my car :P
useability
is that based upon experience or
personal preference really.
you know what i can't be arsed as you obviously looking too argue.
one of the reasons for the bigger engine is that i tend to try and pin the sv as im used to its power and before i had a vrf400 nc30
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 02:17 PM
BTW twin Akro's sound amazing on them. ;)
Still have a set of pea shooters in teh shed for that too. Must get round to fleabaying them:rolleyes:
it comes with dual beowulfs the carbon ended ones, ramos race levers, rear hugger, seal cowl, crash bungs and a alarm imobliser and is in the mean green kwak colours
you know what i can't be arsed as you obviously looking too argue.
Not looking to argue, just trying to find out if;
1. Ridden both and prefer 750.
2. Ridden neither and prefer 750.
Your first statement that 750 is the better bike sounded categorical. I've ridden neither so am interested in opinions based on experience.
yorkie_chris
29-03-10, 02:42 PM
Depends on the frame, I've ridden neither but would probably pick the 750 if it is in a lighter or more aggressive frame. Same reason I don't like GSXR11, too heavy and a little lazy even if the 11 does have enough torque to drive over a house.
750 is a nice balance of engine size, all the 1000cc sportsbikes just scare the living sh*te out of you whenever you look at the throttle, you can enjoy a 750 a bit more. Depends, I've read the z1000 are detuned to hell from sportsbike engine.
Test ride them both see what floats your boat.
750 probably the better bike tbh.
Absolute bollox.
If you put it into this perspective:
SV650 (It's at the budget end)- SV1000, better suspension, brakes etc
The same goes for the Z's, i currently own the Z750 and it's a far better bike than i am a rider, 1st to admit it, but this to is aimed at the budget end of the market.
The Z1000 again has a superior suspension, brakes etc, if you read the reviews for the new Z1000 it's ranked up their with some of the best nakeds around.
Copied from the Z forum.
All New Engine
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC15E884.jpg
Liquid-cooled, DOHC, 16-valve 1,043 cm3 In-line four offers a greater power output and stronger torque than the previous Z1000
Aggressive Styling
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w277h416_00000340DC155008.jpg
The new Z1000 takes the aggressive styling of its predecessor a step forward. From the sharply sloped front cowl design made possible by the new slim line-beam headlamp, to the minimalist tail section, the new Z1000 presents a very condensed, mass-forward image. This dynamic design is reinforced by the front fork covers and wide shrouds displaying intakes for the new Cool Air system.
All-new Aluminium Twin-tube Frame
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC152662.jpg
The new aluminium twin-tube frame was designed specifically for the 2010 Z1000. Similar in concept to the frame of the Ninja ZX-10R, the frame beams go over engine, allowing a narrow overall construction that is easy to grip with the knees for added control.
New 5-spoke cast wheels
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC15444A.jpg
New 5-spoke cast wheels complement the Z1000’s sharp design. The spokes are machined near the rim edge, adding to the high-quality appearance. The machined cut-outs were purposely designed to point in the reverse direction, a design element also visible on the new engine covers.
Cool Air System
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC110EE0.jpg
The Cool Air system routes cool air to the airbox from ducts either side of the fuel tank, minimising performance loss due to heated intake air. This should not be confused with Ram Air, where force-fed air becomes pressurised in the airbox. Positioning the ducts close to the rider allows the intake sound to be enjoyed to the full.
Fully adjustable front forks
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC111773.jpg
With the addition of compression damping adjustability, the Z1000’s 41 mm inverted front forks are now fully adjustable. Settings offer both sporty performance and comfort.
Horizontal back-link
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC113DDF.jpg
New rear suspension positions the shock unit and linkage above the swingarm. This locates the suspension far enough from the exhaust that operation will not be affected by heat. The new arrangement contributes to mass centralisation (please see below). Visible from the outside, the Horizontal Back-link contributes to the cutting edge appearance of the new Z1000. The new rear suspension eliminates the external reservoir tank, however performance is the same or better than that of the 2009 Z1000.
New adjustable instrument panel
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC115AA5.jpg
Fully digital instrument panel features an eye-catching orange lens. The instrument panel can be angled to suit rider preference. Riders can choose from three positions with the angle easily changed without tools via an adjuster knob on the left side. Meter functions include digital speedometer, bar-style digital tachometer, odometer, two trip meters, fuel gauge, and clock.
Brakes
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w277h416_00000340DC117116.jpg
At the front, the Z1000’s 300 mm petal brake discs are gripped by opposed 4-piston radial-mount calipers. A radial-pump front brake master cylinder also contributes to the superb control and feel offered by the new calipers. The rear brake features a single piston, pin-slide caliper gripping a 250 mm petal disc.
Quad-style muffler
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC119997.jpg
Quad-style mufflers maintain a key design element from previous models. The shorter silencer design (each 2/3 the volume of the 09MY model) allows the wheel silhouette to be seen.
LED Tail light
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC28EAA5.jpg
LED taillight design reminiscent of the original Z1000’s features red LED bulbs and a transparent lens.
Fat handlebars
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DC28C008.jpg
New handlebar is rigid-mounted, contributing to the sharper handling. The new handlebar also looks tough, contributing a touch of bad-boy image to the Z1000’s appearance
Seat cover
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340DCCC544A.jpg
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Objects/w608h405_00000340D7793662.jpg
Enhance the sleek, aggressive lines of your Z1000 with a colour-matched cowl for the pillion seat when you’re riding solo.
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 02:43 PM
I had a 55 plater.
They go like **** off a stick, but the chassis really struggles when pushed though. If you really cane it over bumpy roads it will shake its head, the standard suspension isnt very good. Because of this it will eat rear tyres aswell.
It was pretty comfy though and I could ride mine all day long.
The only thing I hated about mine was the build quality, it really suffered riding through winter, way way more than my SV. It just rusted infront of my eyes regardless of how much I cleaned it. I would never have another Kwak again.
Ive never ridden the 750 so cant comment on that.
yorkie_chris
29-03-10, 02:46 PM
Absolute bollox.
If you put it into this perspective:
SV650 (It's at the budget end)- SV1000, better suspension, brakes etc
The same goes for the Z's, i currently own the Z750 and it's a far better bike than i am a rider, 1st to admit it, but this to is aimed at the budget end of the market.
But the 650 is a sweeter engine and chassis than the 1000 for having fun on when you sort out the budget bits.
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 02:47 PM
Depends on the frame, I've ridden neither but would probably pick the 750 if it is in a lighter or more aggressive frame. Same reason I don't like GSXR11, too heavy ....etc etc.
Heavy in what respect Chris?
If a crippled bloke with half a leg can chuck it around, then I suppose anyone can:D
Edit, I seem to recall the convo between Monsieur Chop and Peg when we met, both had differing opinions on build quality, both used it in winter, one saw it rot, the other was like new.
rictus01
29-03-10, 02:47 PM
I know the 05 model pretty well, nice useable thou, a good step up, it can be ridden fairly gently most of the time and below 5-6k is friendly power delivery, above that it has the ability to shift a fair bit, runs out of suspention way before power would ever become an issue and likewise the standard brakes aren't of the same standard as the companies sports range, not so keen on the frame dressing plastic though, but over all a nice entry to the thou club.
although the extras sound and no doubt look pretty I'd be looking for a 636 front end, which was a popular upgrade as it sorted the weird standard one legged affair suspension out and also gives the sports bikes radial brakes.
HTH
Cheers Mark.
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 02:48 PM
Heavy in what respect Chris?
If a crippled bloke with half a leg can chuck it around, then I suppose anyone can:D
Mine always seemed smaller that my SV650s. It was a tiny bike.
Z1000 vs MV Agusta Brutale vs Ducati Streetfighter Review Linky (http://issuu.com/tony33/docs/may2010/17)
yorkie_chris
29-03-10, 02:48 PM
@dizzy
The GSXR11 is a right heavy beast compared to the 750 despite the fact the engines are similar in size. Which makes the 750s so much of a better bike.
If the same applies to the kwak, not saying it does, I would take the 750.
what was the main points of corrosion on it ?
rictus01
29-03-10, 02:55 PM
Z1000 vs MV Agusta Brutale vs Ducati Streetfighter Review Linky (http://issuu.com/tony33/docs/may2010/17)
once again you seem to be quoting the new model, I believe the OP is looking at an O5 version, however if I've got that wrong, I've got several options for new type money.
Cheers Mark.
But the 650 is a sweeter engine and chassis than the 1000 for having fun on when you sort out the budget bits.
Couldn't agree more mate, the SV1000 was too brutal for me that's why i got shot of it for the Z, more sedate pace of life now :D
I do like the look of the new Z1000 but i personally think a litre bike for me on the road would be an absolute waste of time, well it is as i proved with the SV, gets you into trouble alot quicker, not just with the law, corners came at me far too quickly for my liking.
Absolute bollox.
that's the funny thing with opinion's your's won't be the same as other people's if you disagree with it then that's fine.
rictus01
29-03-10, 03:01 PM
@dizzy
The GSXR11 is a right heavy beast compared to the 750 despite the fact the engines are similar in size. Which makes the 750s so much of a better bike.
If the same applies to the kwak, not saying it does, I would take the 750.
having owned both (one from new 88 and one from 3 months old 89) Chris is (in this case) right about the Suzuki's, the 750 was possibily the sweetest handling, best balanced bike of it's day the other merely a big stonking hammerthat lacked the ability in anything but a straight line to use all the extra power, but that's off the point slightly.
Cheers Mark.
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:02 PM
what was the main points of corrosion on it ?
It may be easier to ask the question from a different angle...
The seat pad was ok ;)
The wheels really suffered, I ended up getting them powdercoated.
The engine sticks out the sides a long way and are prone to stone chips, these just started to bubble and then corrode, there is also a coolant pipe on the near side of the engine, this just rotted.
The rear subframe suffered badly too, the final straw was when the paint just started to flake off the swing arm.
once again you seem to be quoting the new model, I believe the OP is looking at an O5 version, however if I've got that wrong, I've got several options for new type money.
Cheers Mark.
You're right, he was looking at the 05 model, i was speed reading again :D
Oh well, free plug for Kawasaki.
what was the main points of corrosion on it ?
I know the swing arm on the earlier 750 models were prone to bad rusting, dont know if the 1000 had a different swing arm?
Heres a few ****ty pics taken on my phone ;)
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6518
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:15 PM
I know the swing arm on the earlier 750 models were prone to bad rusting, dont know if the 1000 had a different swing arm?
Different swinger, mine suffered badly around the hugger.
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:19 PM
I would be wanting to know what was under that Arai badge on the tank.
Some nice mods though, cans, Pazzo's (by the looks of it), rad guard and a tail tidy.
STRAMASHER
29-03-10, 03:20 PM
I hate crash bungs.;)
Best colour.
If you take the plunge make sure you get the original quad pipes. if the dealer does not have them maybe be its been slung up the road? Bike worth a lot more with them on.....but a lot slower. I would be wanting a big discount if the originals were not available.
Happy shopping.:)
ye i thought that when i got home, rest of the bike is mint not a scratch or scuff
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:21 PM
I would be wanting a big discount if the originals were not available.
Why? You can pick them up for peanuts on ebay.
Edit: as for being much slower with standard cans on, not strictly true. Diveboy (from the org) still has an 05 with twin Remus revolutions, PC3 and its properly setup. Mine had standard cans, his may have sounded fantastic but wasnt much quicker, he would ever so slightly pull away from me.
Nice looking bike mate, fastest colour too believe it or not!
You have PM.
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 03:27 PM
I have a pair of those pea shooter original cans.....and they aren't that cheap on ebay either.
Goldy coloured ones I believe.
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:33 PM
I have a pair of those pea shooter original cans.....and they aren't that cheap on ebay either.
Goldy coloured ones I believe.
:confused: They must have gone back up in price Dizzy, the market used to be flooded with them when I had mine.
Quick, sell them before the market drops again :p
1 can on ebay is 50 quid for the right side in very used condition :P
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 03:35 PM
Aye, Ive just had a spy, they have rocketed in price!!!
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 03:37 PM
welll like I said, AFAIK they are in good nick, Were taken off the bike pretty much as soon as it was bought. Haven't really cast my shiny shiny detail expert eye, but Peg is a bit of a booger for keeping things pristine.
They are bleddy heavy...probably why so expensive on ebay, postage must cost a fortune.
I knows they aren't cheap as we've been looking to sell em, had em on here but no interest. They are in the way TBH, much as they'd look cool on an SV....not sure I'd appreciate the weight!
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 03:43 PM
shame it wasn't a blue one either, I have a mint seat cowl in the original box behind the sofa too!
already comes with seat cowl
so worth a look ? + anything to look out for ?
rictus01
29-03-10, 05:01 PM
yeah worth a look, check the brakes (no better than SV stuff really) and the paint and plastics mark quite easily, if you can get to the subframe check the underside of that as well, the plastic trim over the main frame can hide some rust as well so I'd be wanting to remove that for a look, then just general stuff as you would expect (wear & tear / accident damage/dropped), and consumables.
Cheers Mark.
cheers all for the advise and comments
ethariel
29-03-10, 07:28 PM
If you are looking at a new Z1000 and are a smoker then its maybe good, but if not, have a look at the fuel tank size (15L iirc) which seems a wee bit small for a thou.
Depends on the frame, I've ridden neither but would probably pick the 750 if it is in a lighter or more aggressive frame. Same reason I don't like GSXR11, too heavy and a little lazy even if the 11 does have enough torque to drive over a house.
750 is a nice balance of engine size, all the 1000cc sportsbikes just scare the living sh*te out of you whenever you look at the throttle, you can enjoy a 750 a bit more. Depends, I've read the z1000 are detuned to hell from sportsbike engine.
Test ride them both see what floats your boat.
the z1000 isn't remotely scary throttlewise
Mine always seemed smaller that my SV650s. It was a tiny bike.
i know what you mean. the sv is a bit lower but the position of the seat/tank/bars makes you feel much further forward than on the sv (i was testing this out the other day)
what was the main points of corrosion on it ?
my z1000 isn't badly corroded at all and it lives outside, looks in much better nick than the newer sv parked next to it.
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 08:01 PM
You'll never believe this, here is Pegs bike, back in the dealer he bought it from, still with Akro's:cool:
You can see how good nick it is....don't see any corrosion on that!!!
http://www.dkmotorcycles.co.uk/?section=used_bikes&bike=57676
Needs a seat cowl from behind my sofa lol
Price:
£4499
with 32k miles :O wtf
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 08:05 PM
You'll never see a better condition one for that mileage granted, but its absolutely gorgeous. As lovely now as it was when he sold it! Told you he rode it :-)
It was sold, but now its back!
Peg reckons the person must have only put 500 on it before handing it back!
keep reading about a lot of vibes on this bike after 4k revs anyone have any views on this ?
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 08:10 PM
No more than any other bike.
Oh and watch out for round the headstock...thats where they corrode mostly. Keep up with it it'll be fine.
Digital dash can go, water gets in and stops it working
Sorry hes just got in from work so I am quoting what hes saying.
On a good run, 150 miles to a tank, but on a naughty day, 80. It will eat tyres for breakfast.
ye the my sv has been really hit arround headstock and the front disc blots in last 6 months needs a repaint :( . so corrosion is a problem ? as the bike will be stored out side under a cover as i dont have a garage . dont want it failing appart after a winter like the ****ty gz125 i had as my first bike and my Dt years ago
dizzyblonde
29-03-10, 08:20 PM
As long as you get an Oxford Stormex then that should keep the rust at bay. The ZZR is parked under one and has had very harsh weather thrown at it, its survived this winter rather well.
Just ACF50 all nuts n bolts and all things prone to rust and you should be fine.
the fuel cap lock is a b1tch
in what way stiff to lock down ? or open
pegasus
29-03-10, 08:49 PM
Ok...now then lets see....where to begin.....
1. The Z750 was ok as a commutery type of bike great value for dosh.
2. The Z1000 has 1 of the great bike engines (powerful for a compact naked) and better (not great) suspension, build quality is generally better.
3. If you dont do the cleany bits both will will look tatty fairly quickly, (as most non adventure bikes will)
as long as you are on top of the spraying and wiping i know the Z1000 engine will last a lifetime, cause its relatively unstressed in this incarnation (previously ZX9R Ninja). Not so sure about the Z750 i only did a one day test ride on it, but there are plenty examples out there still motoring.
I did put 30, odd thousand miles on my Z before trading it in for the ZZR, only reason i traded was cause the warranty ran out, but it still looked fabby, ridden in all weathers.
I would gladly have it back with those miles on it but cant justify buying the same bike twice for the samish amount of cash.
If the ZZR carries me as far with as little problems i will be a happy bunny, currently on 24k in under a year.
Good luck fella whichever one you choose is gonna be a summer of laughter under your helmet....have fun!!
Peg
PoRk ChOp
29-03-10, 09:03 PM
To be totally fair to the bike, I think I just had 'a bad un'.
I forgot about the vibes at 4k, some weighted Oberon bar ends cure this though so not an issue.
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