sv1000sf or fz6 naked?

[svdaz]

Right after reconsidering the z1000 as a no no due to cost. looked and test rode both a sv1000sf k5 and a 2009 yammy yz6 today and im stuck between the 2 :( sv1k look plush fully faired in the gixxer colours is £3500 with 6k miles in mint condition and has dual scorpion cans wow on torque :p yz6 naked has a lovely smooth rushy engine and is in brand new condition with 800miles completly standard @ £4180 which should i got for i really like both, atm im on a sv650 naked


im so crap at choosing :cheers:

[svdaz]

heres pics of both

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[yorkie_chris]

Sv1000

[svdaz]

Basically im looking for a bike with a bit more grunt the fz6 sports a 98bhp engine and the sv1k 120bhp both are an improvement over the 650 obviously they are 2 dif bikes which 1 do you guys recommended and why ?

Daz

[davepreston]

well put it this way i just bought the sv1000 in anaversery (sp) colours
so guess what gets my vote

[davepreston]

the fz6 wont rock your world with the extra 20bhp, the extra 60 will on the thou, i looked at the shiver 750 but so glad i got the thou when i went to the isle of man the day after i bought it, i have a sneeky suspision you will wish you "done it properly" and got the thou if you get the fz6,
ps the thou is the most comfy bike ive rode in a long time ,bang on on motorway and no issues with it through town

[barwel1992]

i like the fz6 :)

[fizzwheel]

I've not ridden either, alot of people on here wont have either. So.. go and get a test ride on both if you can and then make your own mind up.

Its not us that has to live / ride with what you buy ;)

[Ratty]

I'm very happy with my SV1000SZ for all types of riding. If you want torque, you will get bored with the buzzy 6. Knock the thou down to nearer 3K and you'll be happy.

Ratty

[svdaz]

i was able to get the guy to chuck in a pair of new michelin pilots for that price

[davepreston]

tyres ,12month tax, 12 month mot, full tank, new oil and filters or chain and sprockets ,then hand him your cash

[martianskippy]

i like the fz6 :)

because you've never ridden it ;)

[svdaz]

take it you hated yours then :P

[martianskippy]

take it you hated yours then :P

I'm still hating it ;) even though I haven't ridden it for 5 months since my accident..

[svdaz]

so why the pure hate for it ? :)

[martianskippy]

Lack of character is the main thing. Don't get me wrong - the bike did it's job when I was commuting 80 miles/day for over half a year. However it never really excited me in a way that the SV did. Around town it actually felt gutless despite the 30bhp advantage over the SV. The fuelling at low revs was no too great either and the 1st gear is too long for me. Part of it is the way I ride bikes - I don't like to rev bikes well over 10,000 revs which unfortunately is the only way to get the FZ6 going. If you don't mind keeping the bike between 9-12K revs at all times, than the FZ6 will show you how brisk it can be.

The other thing I did not like was the weight - well over 200kg when wet. The problem is the weight is held quite high which made the Fazer feel much heavier then the naked FZ1 I have had a chance to ride.

The other thing was the sound - it was similar to a hairdryer than a motorbike, and because of the underseat exhaust setup the cheapest aftermarket cans were £300+

The things I did like about the bike was the upright position, good fuel consumption (45-55mpg) and the ease with which it munched motorway miles at three digit speeds (in Germany).

But your impression of the bike might completely differ from mine..

[svdaz]

Test rode the sv1k again today to help me decide today this time took it for a longer ride arround maidstone to test out traffic riding and to be honest i wasnt impressed its nothing like my 650 it feels too heavy and the supension doest feel much better imo. felt awkward and over powered in the low revs and there no way as flickable i prefered the sv650s which i rode about 6 months ago while mine was beening serviced, not sure if its just this bike but it felt really rough compared and very rattly, also test rode a hornet 900 engine on those seems very nice not too sure about the suspension again the front feels alot softer than the sv650

[600+]

if you want flikkable stay with 600cc or maybe 750.

The thous are heavier and less flikkable compared to 600 due to weight obviously.

[yorkie_chris]

The SV1000 seems to have pretty lazy geometry rather than just a weight disadvantage , you could probably sharpen it up a lot.

[Beenz]

That FZ6 looks like the S2 version with the cast ally swingarm. The fuelling and quality was improved over the original R6 derived version. Although both share the same engines they ride quite differently. I borrowed the early one when my bike was in for a service back in 2006 and must agree that the thing didn't respond well in lower revs, having ridden the S2 following another bike service I found that model was much better for me, so much so I ended up getting one last year. I find it light and a lot of fun, let it rev and it does take off but is also OK lower down the revs if you want to take things easy. Handling is a good plus point as well. The riding position is more upright than the SV which makes it far more comfortable riding at slower speeds through towns, without the fairing it also makes you more aware of your speed.

I guess it boils down to what sort of riding you want to do as both bikes are very different, the FZ6 gives me over 150 miles to the tank and delivers smiles on the twistes while being comfortable for a daily commute.

The sporty SV will give you lots more grunt with far less cog swapping and the handling can be sharpenned with the jack up kit. It'll also sound great. The suspension is higher quality with more adjustment than the SV650. Can be very thirsty though.

As Fizz says, take em both out, it's the only way you'll be able to really decide which one is for you and how it woud suit the sort of riding you do. If its your only bike and you've only had the 650 and just want a lot more, I'd probably go for the SV then consider something with a different character to complement it. If you want a lightweight all rounder with a power band to play with the FZ6 could be just the ticket.

[svdaz]

looking at the specs the FZ6-S2 should have better low down power than the bandit650 and pulls a couple more NM and a few more horses with it and it doesnt have to drag and extra 20kg along the way

FZ6-S2
96.55 HP (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#horsepower) (70.5 kW (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#kilowatt)))
63.10 Nm (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#Nm) (6.4 kgf-m (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#kgf-m) or 46.5 ft.lbs (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#ft.lbs)) @ 6440 RPM (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#Revolutions)

SV650
72 hp (53 kW)/ 9,000 rpm, 84 Nm/ 7,200 rpm. <--- Is It really 84nm?? as the sv650 k3 is 61nm same as the curvey SV

BANDIT 650
84.00 HP (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#horsepower) (62.5 kW (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#kilowatt))) @ 10100 RPM (http://www.bikez.com/jargon/index.php#Revolutions) 61.5NM @ 8900 rpm


does anyone know any specs of the FZ6-S1 did they remap or tweek the power delivery ?

[martianskippy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FZ6

[svdaz]

57 kW (77 PS) (76HP) @ 11500 RPM for Standard version,
72 kW (98 PS) (97HP) @ 12,000 RPM for S2 version.

51.7 N·m (38.1 lbf·ft (http://forums.sv650.org/wiki/Pound-force_foot)) @ 10000 RPM for Standard version,
63.1 N·m (46.5 lbf·ft (http://forums.sv650.org/wiki/Pound-force_foot)) @ 10,000 RPM for S2 version

hmm see there is a dif between the 2. what was your 1 skippy could imagine the standard quite mellow

[martianskippy]

All 2004-2006 models have the stronger version, i.e. 97bhp (as does mine), only S2 comes in 2 variants, depending on the country they were sold in. Apparently the "weaker" version actually felt better midrange but was missing the top-end rush...
Getting rid of the catalyser on mine has definitely freed up some midrange power. You can get a link pipe for 50-60 quid on fleabay. I've never dyno'ed mine but apparently it gives you around 3-5bhp gain...
I have to admit that when I rode mine today for the first time in 5 months it didn't feel underpowered at all ;) You sure you don't fancy buying mine ? ;)

[svdaz]

dont like red bikes :P there unlucky can you remove cat onthem without buying new cans then?

[martianskippy]

yes you can; it'll still sound crap but will definitely go a bit better

[svdaz]

whats the cheapest cans for em ?

[martianskippy]

whatever you find on ebay really... The cheapest new ones I think are Leovince aluminium cans I think for about £350. I have a quad-pipe Lazer extreme which is around £700 new which I got for £250 second hand. Mine will be up for grabs soon as I'll be selling my Fazer with the original one on.