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Some folks I do work for are interested in getting some sort of CCTV.
Since it's a bank holiday weekend a collection of characters of the "intinerant persuasion" have just started major works on a local field, excavators, tipper trucks, the works, clearly with the intention of establishing a travellers' site and the council/plod etc are (as expected) walking round with their bums in their hands saying they can't do anything.
My friends are in a somewhat vulnerable situation so are looking at improving their security PDQ.
Knowing the expertise of the org. I just wondered if anyone can give any suggestions as to what kind of surveillance stuff is available and sensible these days (I'm not concerned at the moment with the legal aspects of "pointing it at the public" stuff, the characters they're worried about aren't bothered about the law). Ideally some sort of wireless system, multiple cameras, decent image quality, recording capacity for maybe a week or something. Any ideas?
husky03
01-05-10, 07:33 PM
who owns the field?-best way i heard to get rid of these new inhabitants was carried out by a local farmer who had same problem-he filled up the slurry tanker and started to spread slurry on the field-drove right past the caravans and everything-within 10 mins of the first load being emptied the gypos had started to bugger off-might be worth finding a local farmer to help out.
Bluepete
01-05-10, 07:38 PM
In all honesty, CCTV in the home isn't the way to go. I've yet to see a burglar showing his face on camera. They wear hoodies, hats and masks, making images useless.
If I were faced with your problem, I would bulk up on physical security on doors and windows, sharp tops on fences and keeping valuables out of sight.
Dummy camera cases may deter some scum, the common phrase is to make your home look more risky to break into than your neighbours.
Pete ;)
who owns the field?-best way i heard to get rid of these new inhabitants was carried out by a local farmer who had same problem-he filled up the slurry tanker and started to spread slurry on the field-drove right past the caravans and everything-within 10 mins of the first load being emptied the gypos had started to bugger off-might be worth finding a local farmer to help out.
:winner:
On a similar note, the industrial estate I work in have these characters visit for a few weeks every year. One good way to encourage them to bugger off is for everyone to sound your car horns as you drive past on the way to work every morning. The earlier the better!
Works great in an industrial estate anyway, not sure how close your lot are to local housing etc...
Apparently they have bought the field, but of course there's no planning permission. The neighbouring farmer stuck his biggest tractor in the gateway and called the Police, who told him he had to get out of the way and let the pikeys carry on.
It's a very rural situation, the usual issue is with the scruffy Transit pick-up going down the drive for a scout around, and if challenged they say they're lost or looking for another address, chancers mostly looking to lift garden stuff or anything not welded down. Fortunately the drive is gated (so now gets a big f***-off padlock) and it's noisy gravel, plus they have a dog (all bark no bite but it might help). The property has well-to-do written large so CCTV wouldn't add any sort of hint of valuables to protect. Can't help feeling the steel gate might disappear one night.
The CCTV would be just another tool, might not have much deterrent effect but probably better than not having it, and there'd be a little comfort value even if it was misguided. Being where they are there are a lot of nocturnal beasties around, foxes/badgers whatnot, so PIR motion detectors and security lighting or alarms aren't very practical, though they do have PIR lighting right next to the house. There is electrical power right down at the gate (not an electric gate) so detectors there are an option too.
Really just looking for hints+tips from anyone in the know.
Crazy Dave
01-05-10, 08:32 PM
I recently bought a wired CCTV camera from Maplin, night vision is only good upto 8 metres but image is relatively good quality, day time image is pretty damn good. It was the £50 one, cant remember make or model, there was two very similar spec but same price guy is shop said this one was better.
larssonn
01-05-10, 08:35 PM
You can get a few cheap CCTV cameras, place them about 10 feet high pointing down to the doors and you can see the people there. Even if you can see faces, the image will tell you height, build, shoes so the police would have something to work on.
Example CCTV system (http://www.homebase.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=20001&partNumber=7000546&Trail=searchtext%3ECCTV)
tigersaw
01-05-10, 08:36 PM
Whats the budget?
£300 gets you 4 cameras, hard drive recorder with motion detection and (I think) a webserver port.
Maplin again. Its the Swan stuff - I can vouch for it being OK.
Useful info folks.
Budget isn't really an issue (not stupid money of course, but a few hundred wouldn't be a prob).
I'll look into those tips.
BanditPat
01-05-10, 11:29 PM
AFAIK If you ever were to use it as evidence you would need signs up clearly saying that there was CCTV.
-Ralph-
01-05-10, 11:52 PM
For interest
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=150570
I particularly liked Specialone's post
C.aravan U.tilising N.omadic T.raveller.S
timwilky
02-05-10, 09:15 AM
The scum did this in Longridge a few years ago, started their invasion over a bank holiday weekend knowing they would have septic tanks in and hard standings established before the council are mobilised to get rid.
They did this in Chorley where they got planning permission to build stables, then invaded with the caravans, got planning permission denied, had to have a planning appeal with the result deferred (read political) for a few more weeks. all while illegally occupying the land.
Business round here are hit hard. They invade car parks, you need to get the legally evicted which costs serious money. at the same time they have broken into buildings, used it as a dump for the scrap they have collected and cover it in faeces.
They should be shot on sight.
yorkie_chris
02-05-10, 10:37 AM
Take off and nuke the site from orbit, only way to be sure.
Specialone
02-05-10, 10:39 AM
For interest
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=150570
I particularly liked Specialone's post
Ralph, id remove the bold letters mate, i got a warning for that :(
-Ralph-
02-05-10, 11:05 AM
Ralph, id remove the bold letters mate, i got a warning for that :(
Done, thanks for the tip off! Now you're going to get another one 'cos I can't edit your quote :p
Specialone
02-05-10, 11:08 AM
Done, thanks for the tip off! Now you're going to get another one 'cos I can't edit your quote :p
Did just text you Col about this, bad timing on my part ;)
yorkie_chris
02-05-10, 11:15 AM
Check out backyard ballistics, could be a laugh :)
metalangel
02-05-10, 11:33 AM
Have they considered starting midnight raves with clay shooting in their garden?
yorkie_chris
02-05-10, 11:34 AM
Have they considered starting midnight raves with clay shooting in their garden?
Midnight? The pikeys are all out nicking then... wouldn't bother them.
timwilky
02-05-10, 11:35 AM
Just hire a couple of cranes for a game of caravan conkers.
http://www.bbcamerica.com/media/topgear/pic_epguide_s5_e4_320.jpg
husky03
02-05-10, 01:10 PM
made the mail ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270538/Residents-form-human-barricade-stop-travellers-building-illegal-site-picture-postcard-village.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
yorkie_chris
02-05-10, 01:15 PM
'It should be made clear that so far no one has committed a criminal offence.’
Bullsh*t! They just haven't been looking hard enough. F*cking pikeys will have been nicking something.
Harass them enough and they'll go to France or something. Fine swap for some asylum seekers, at least some of them will end up working.
timwilky
02-05-10, 01:19 PM
I'd be checking the serial numbers of every bit of plant on that site.
While getting carried away with trying to get rid of them and beefing up your external security, dont forget your internal security!
Its a terrible situation when the scum move in (luckily ive not had to deal with it) but i'd personally keep a mini baseball bad under my bed just incase and possibly a knife. You never know! Also do the obvious, move keys away from the front door so nobody can fish then through the letter box. Also, add a couple more locks on your front door.
Sounds harsh, but if they are moving in, they are moving in.
made the mail ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270538/Residents-form-human-barricade-stop-travellers-building-illegal-site-picture-postcard-village.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo
Nope, this is another #-o site just outside Warwick. Soon the whole of the Midlands will be illegal sites.
As for signage, yep we're aware of all that legal carp, I mean you couldn't possibly expect to use CCTV footage of thieving scumbags lifting your 2 grand garden tractor without having put up a polite sign asking them if they wouldn't mind being quiet about it and allow the owners a good night's sleep. The picture of the big German Shepherd is going up with the obligatory polite message saying he is exercising and would you please close the gate (just before you have it off the hinges and into the back of the Transit).
What we wouldn't give for a load of Poles and Latvians instead, decent folk. Is that politically correct? Dunno.
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