Isle of Man plates

[allantheboss]

Any illegalities with them in England? Is there a need to register the bike in England before a certain amount of time?

Any other info?

[Red Herring]

I might have to dig the books out on that one but I'm fairly sure you've got 12 months before you either need to take it back to the IOM, or register it with DVLA. Be careful around the residency rules as well. If you're a student on the mainland, or just visiting then you get away with going back and forth every 12 months to reset the clock, once you take up residency it's 12 months from then even if you pop back to visit the folks occasionally .......I think.

[Lozzo]

Or just cheat like I have, and have a plate with the UK registration mark but the IoM three legged symbol national flag on a red background where the GB badge usually goes, and 'Isle Of Man' in celtic script across the top of the plate.

Like this:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/4609961418_22abd78568_o.jpg

It's confused a few coppers so far who haven't bothered to check me out because dealing with a foreigner involves too much paperwork, and that would shorten their donut scoffing time ;-)

[Red Herring]

£60 - ker ching!

[Lozzo]

For what exactly?

Answer this very carefully because I have gone right over the law books and know of only one thing I can be had up for.

EDIT - two things, one of which isn't obvious from the photo

[Red Herring]

The numbers are all smudged?

[Red Herring]

Oh alright, no BS marking/kite mark and no manufactures details.




Plus you can't have the inscription at the top.

[Lozzo]

BS kitemark is stamped into the plate but not visible on the photo, the manufacturer only has to have their postcode visible, details of who they are aren't needed. The inscription should be at the bottom, as you say.

One copper who I have spoken to said he'd have pulled me for the IoM badge, until I pulled him over to the PC at work, googled for an official site and showed him where it says any national symbol or flag can be displayed - it doesn't have to be the country the bike was registered in.

When I go to Malta I'll be taking a printed up plate backing and perspex with me so I can have a local firm stick a Maltese flag in and press it up, and another one from Monaco cos they have a really cool national symbol. I'll use plates obtained from work legally after going through all the ID procedures.

[Red Herring]

I think there are some rules around the size of the nation ID symbol though.....

Oh, and is the postcode on there then?

[Lozzo]

I think there are some rules around the size of the nation ID symbol though.....

There are, and mine just falls within them

Oh, and is the postcode on there then?

That was the second thing. The other was the inscription being at the top.

Like I said, I haven't had any bother, but that's probably because I won't go anywhere near the Police State of North Wales. Every other force I've encountered aren't bothered by such trivialities, and as long as I keep the bike in good safe condition and ride in a manner that doesn't attract their annoyance, then I'm ok.

[jimmy4237]

I've had an 8.5 x 6.5 IOM TT centeniary plate for ages for my 9. Its a 5 digit private plate, but full manx design.

It confuses the hell out of everybody, but a check with the DVLA confirms its a UK bike..

Never had a problem with it here, until I went up to Fife one day.... bloody picky coppers

[Red Herring]

I appreciate it's a Manx design but is it actually a Manx registration number?
We seem to have derailed into the legalities of number plates where I think what the Op wants to know is do you have to re-register a Manx vehicle onto a mainland plate if you move over here?

[allantheboss]

Well, the papers have been sent for it to be registered in England. Does that mean I'll get a new plate in the post, or what?

[allantheboss]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/4609961418_22abd78568_o.jpg



How did you get one of these? Is there a site?

[Lozzo]

How did you get one of these? Is there a site?

My mate brought it back from last year's TT for me. I wanted to change the dealer supplied one because I don't particularly like dealer I got the bike from. I only bought the bike there because they were at the time my local dealer and they did me a good price. Everything else about them sucked.

[Dicky Ticker]

I had IOM regd trucks with an IOM Co as the owners and irrelevant of your personal residential status you can use it anyplace for 12months. Buy an IOM Company in Douglas and have an IOM resident as a partner in the business.The company does not have to trade.The vehicle must return to the IOM every 12 months max but the 12 months starts afresh after each "visit" I have also bought a car in the IOM which is ok for 12 months but a lot of hassle getting it transfered to a UK plate as this involves HMRC.
I don't think ANPR would apply as the IOM is not British,just a rock in the Irish Sea with a load of drunks holding on to it.:D

[simesb]

One copper who I have spoken to said he'd have pulled me for the IoM badge, until I pulled him over to the PC at work, googled for an official site and showed him where it says any national symbol or flag can be displayed - it doesn't have to be the country the bike was registered in.

Could you post that link as it would be interesting; The DVLA (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/PersonalisedRegAndNumberPlates/DG_181503) website disagrees

Motorists in England, Scotland and Wales have the option to display the Union Flag, Cross of St George, Cross of St Andrew (also known as the Saltire) or Red Dragon of Wales together with one of the following identifiers: GREAT BRITAN, Great Britain, GB, UNITED KINGDOM, United Kingdom, UK, CYMRU, Cymru, CYM, Cym, ENGLAND, England, ENG, Eng, SCOTLAND, Scotland, SCO, Sco, WALES or Wales. This must be displayed on the left hand side of the number plate. No other symbols or flags can be displayed on number plates.

[Red Herring]

I don't think ANPR would apply as the IOM is not British,j.....

ANPR cameras certainly read IOM number plates, they also read Italian, Belgium, German, Irish etc etc ones.... The only ones I know they struggle with are Iraqi.....

[Dicky Ticker]

Do they have the information that is normally held by the DVLA on non British vehicles would be a better question?I appreciate that the equipment ANPR or Speed Camera can read the number but translating that into information that may be useful is another matter.

[Red Herring]

ANPR systems run whatever data is loaded onto them, so if an IOM vehicle is of interest to the police and it's details are put on the system then it will alert when read. The DVLA don't hold any details on vehicles that are not registered with them so an IOM plate would be no different to say a French one. What was it you were hoping to avoid?

[Dicky Ticker]

Nothing--I sold the IOM Co about 12 years ago but as far as I was aware an IOM Licence and an IOM vehicle were construed as being" Foreign."
I know that there are some strange rules regarding totting up[Points] as a British court can't put them on an IOM Licence[A situation that arose with an employee] and I wondered if the law had been changed since then,as the IOM has strange status within the EEC

[nakedblue650]

Motorists in England, Scotland and Wales have the option to display the Union Flag, Cross of St George, Cross of St Andrew (also known as the Saltire) or Red Dragon of Wales together with one of the following identifiers: GREAT BRITAN, Great Britain, GB, UNITED KINGDOM, United Kingdom, UK, CYMRU, Cymru, CYM, Cym, ENGLAND, England, ENG, Eng, SCOTLAND, Scotland, SCO, Sco, WALES or Wales. This must be displayed on the left hand side of the number plate. No other symbols or flags can be displayed on number plates.
The flag must be positioned above the identifier and neither must be more than 50 millimetres wide or on the number plate margin.
Motorists displaying national flags and identifiers will still be required to display the standard GB sticker when travelling in Europe.

So should you have a GB sticker Lozzo as it isnt one of the above England designations and you are in Europe?

nb650

[Lozzo]

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So should you have a GB sticker Lozzo as it isnt one of the above England designations and you are in Europe?

nb650

I do, it's on the back of the right pannier.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1327/4610963255_f99921b82c.jpg

I'll try and dig out the page I found to show the copper I was talking to

[Lozzo]

Could you post that link as it would be interesting; The DVLA (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/PersonalisedRegAndNumberPlates/DG_181503) website disagrees

You are correct and I was wrong. It appears I was looking at a page in the MOT Tester's Manual which doesn't stipulate that it has to be a recognised England, Scotland or Wales flag. It leaves the wording very open and gives the impression that any country's acceptable national flag can be displayed.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_630.htm

Tbh, I don't really care and I'm keeping the plate I have

[Red Herring]

Nothing--I sold the IOM Co about 12 years ago but as far as I was aware an IOM Licence and an IOM vehicle were construed as being" Foreign."
I know that there are some strange rules regarding totting up[Points] as a British court can't put them on an IOM Licence[A situation that arose with an employee] and I wondered if the law had been changed since then,as the IOM has strange status within the EEC

I believe there is an agreement in place between the IOM government and ours that points mean prizes whichever side of the water you're on. If you get banned on the Island then it counts on the mainland as well, and vice versa.

[allantheboss]

So, I could just lie and say I'd been to the IOM in the past year whenever I get pulled over?

[Dicky Ticker]

Yes.I agree if you get banned it applies to both----the problem I came across was that points awarded are only applicable in the country of sentencing and can't be cumulative to totting up
i.e. The driver concerned had 3x3=9 points[Speeding] in the IOM and was given 3+3= 6 here for speeding[Over 60mph] and overtaking in the fast lane[Articulated lorry],the points were not actually put on his licence but kept on record.
To be honest it puzzled me at the time how he managed to keep his licence but he said that is why he was driving over here and Europe because if he did anything silly/minor on the IOM he would be banned under totting up.

[Dicky Ticker]

Doubt it as your licence is UK and to get an IOM Licence you must be resident there.
Plus there is the MOT,Road Tax and insurance issue. Not that simple,that is why I had to buy an IOM Co and do all this in the company name,
My reasons were for nearly £2000 a year less road tax per vehicle plus the income tax advantages.


Sorry we seem to have gone a bit off topic---no more from me

[Red Herring]

So, I could just lie and say I'd been to the IOM in the past year whenever I get pulled over?

You could do. Do you still have an address over there and why are you on the mainland?

[allantheboss]

Never been there! Just bought a Manx registered bike, and I really like the look and registration of the plate, so I was generally just wondering what's stopping me keeping it.


I have sent papers for the bike to be registered to me in England; do I get sent new plates or what?

[Dicky Ticker]

Yes is the short answer

[allantheboss]

Simples!

[Lozzo]

Well, you have to buy the plate from a plate maker once a new registration mark has been assigned to your vehicle by DVLA. You'll be issued with an official form that allows you to obtain a plate in the absence of a registration document, you take that with another form of ID and payment to the plate maker and he'll be able to enter those details on the DVLA number plate system before making a plate.

[Holdup]

Oh alright, no BS marking/kite mark and no manufactures details.

How come the police dont have this on their number plates? (ok ive only noticed on the police bikes, but im just curious)

[Red Herring]

How come the police dont have this on their number plates? (ok ive only noticed on the police bikes, but im just curious)

Do they not have "Transport Services" across the bottom and the BS kite in the bottom right corner?

[blue curvy jester]

if manx plate rule run the same as Northern island another fix is to register that number as a 'personal plate' with the DVLA and pay the cash

[Holdup]

Do they not have "Transport Services" across the bottom and the BS kite in the bottom right corner?

Nope, completely blank

[Lozzo]

if manx plate rule run the same as Northern island another fix is to register that number as a 'personal plate' with the DVLA and pay the cash

When I imported my GSXR1000 from Belfast I didn't have to pay any extra to register it here on the NI plate, I just paid the normal road fund licence fee and that was it. There was no additional charge for registering it as a private plate.

I was given the choice of a new mainland '52' regisration number or I could keep the old NI one, I chose to leave it as it was because I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of trying to get a new registration plate made up with all the stupid new rules about who can make them and what ID is required.

[Red Herring]

Nope, completely blank

Oh well, that will give you something to discuss with them next time they pop past won't it.

[Holdup]

Oh well, that will give you something to discuss with them next time they pop past won't it.

I will next time they come into the shop, i noticed it when i was on my bikesafe course, should of asked then

[Milky Bar Kid]

Our cars all have BS Marks and postcodes.

Will it make it a "Q" plated vehicle or will, like NI registered, it get to keep its original number??

[Lozzo]

It will get an age related plate because there is no doubt about its history or age.