Tell Us The Laws You Want Scrapped!

[BigBaddad]

One of the tabloids has this as their headline today ahead of Cleggs speach.

So what laws would you have scrapped?

Me, I'd scrap any laws that put the rights of pikeys, pedos and terrorists above those of the people of the UK.

[lukemillar]

Me, I'd scrap any laws that put the rights of pikeys, pedos and terrorists above those of the people of the UK.

Which laws are those then?

[454697819]

the unwritten law about spending monies on scamera vans and not actual police,

[orose]

I think the whole book of law needs rewriting from the ground up... no unwritten conventions, and everything needs to be understood by the average 10th year old.

That and a big injection of common sense.

[timwilky]

I would like to see the "Policies" rather than laws that keep people out of prison etc scrapped. Do the crime, do the time. As in enforce sentencing guidelines and stop being soft on criminals.

Not enough room in prison. So what, it isn't supposed to be a hotel, cram them to the gunnels with the scum.

[BigBaddad]

And Newton's law of gravity, cause it hurts when you take a tumble.

[hindle8907]

TWOC so i can take all your bikes ahahahhaha

[Bri w]

I would like to see the "Policies" rather than laws that keep people out of prison etc scrapped. Do the crime, do the time. As in enforce sentencing guidelines and stop being soft on criminals.

Not enough room in prison. So what, it isn't supposed to be a hotel, cram them to the gunnels with the scum.

+ 1,000,000.

We seem to have forgotten that its about protecting society and the victim. Rehabilitating the offender is a great concept but the fact that so many reoffend suggests we're doing it wrong. Sharp shock so they don't want to reoffend seems a simple concept to me.

As for laws i'd like to see scrapped; why are we seeing so many 50mph limits. leave 'em alone.

[Ed]

Which laws are those then?

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.

[Viney]

The Law that men must practice longbow in the city of london, or failing that, the law taht says that cyclists must stop at traffic lights. As long as its safe to proceed, the do so. Oh and the 9x6 law for motorcycle numberplates.

[simesb]

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.

I'm far more worried about the "Terrorism" laws which allow their detention without trial and prosecution without a jury of their peers than an abuse of a generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.

[hindle8907]

cyclists must stop at traffic lights. As long as its safe to proceed, .

should that be for anyone, there is nothing worse than being sat at a set of traffic lights at 10pm at night with nothing all coming for 3 minutes.

[Swin]

I thought the longbow law was for all Englishmen to practice it on a Sunday, not just London?

But I'd like to see the law that stops you turning left at a red light scrapped, so that we could do the same as they do in America at lights

[Viney]

should that be for anyone, there is nothing worse than being sat at a set of traffic lights at 10pm at night with nothing all coming for 3 minutes.What we could adopt is the flashing Yellow after a certain time at night, which means proceed with caution/Give way type affair. That would work

As for the Longbow, you could be right. *Goes off to find a commuter to shoot with my longbow*

[Bri w]

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.

I have every sympathy with your sentiment Ed but I don't agree with shipping them off somewhere where they could be tortured or killed. It takes us down to their level. BUT I'd like to see an addendum to any law which would read, "if there is a danger of harm on repatriation we hold the right to hold the criminal indefinitely." And then let the criminal choose between indefinite prison or repatriation.

I'm far more worried about the "Terrorism" laws which allow their detention without trial and prosecution without a jury of their peers than an abuse of a generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.

I agree that the abuse of the terror laws, and especially trial without jury are a sad indicment of our judicial system. However, any legislation including the abuse of the Human Rights Act should be the subject of a review. Cherry picking still leaves flawed legislation.

[Ed]

Bri - I used to think like that, and I still struggle - as most on here will know I'm really a bleeding heart liberal but I'm getting oh so tired of the abuses that we are expected to tolerate without complaint. These people would potentially have killed many and maimed even more, and now they whine about their human rights.

[Sid Squid]

generally well intentioned Human Rights Act.I'm told the road to hell is paved with such material.

The HRA may have been well intentioned - but it itself does not function in a just manner.

Natural justice is difficult to write into statute - the HRA has its good points but is a much abused/misused piece of legislation.

[simesb]

However, any legislation including the abuse of the Human Rights Act should be the subject of a review.

The HRA may have been well intentioned - but it itself does not function in a just manner.

I'm not suggesting that the HRA is a perfect piece of legislation, just that there are other laws which intentionally deprive us of the privacy and rights to fair trial and justice that we (used to) hold dear in this country. Just think I would look at them first; HRA is somewhere down the list.

[BigBaddad]

I thought the longbow law was for all Englishmen to practice it on a Sunday, not just London?



Anyone fancy a ride out up to Hadrians Wall this Sunday. Bring your longbows.:rolleyes:

[Bri w]

Bri - I used to think like that, and I still struggle - as most on here will know I'm really a bleeding heart liberal but I'm getting oh so tired of the abuses that we are expected to tolerate without complaint. These people would potentially have killed many and maimed even more, and now they whine about their human rights.

Off on a tangent I know but I don't understand what these terrorists are trying to achieve. On the one hand they want the UK to be like some holy grail with everyone following their religion and laws but they've come from a country that practices many of those laws and religion but are terrified to go back there. Anyway, firing off in a different direction. Is not a terrorist an attempted murderer who just hasn't chosen the victim. His act is premeditated, and callous in the extreme. Life sentence, or offer deportation after a 10yr sentence.

I'm not suggesting that the HRA is a perfect piece of legislation, just that there are other laws which intentionally deprive us of the privacy and rights to fair trial and justice that we (used to) hold dear in this country. Just think I would look at them first; HRA is somewhere down the list.

I'd rather see a judiciary 'attacking' all the major flaws at once. It may well be that some laws would by their complexity take longer to change but at least a start would have been made on them.

[Ed]

Perhaps for all these people we are told we can't deport we should simply dump them on an uninhabited island within British waters, and just airdrop them a food parcel every so often.

[Bri w]

Perhaps for all these people we are told we can't deport we should simply dump them on an uninhabited island within British waters, and just airdrop them a food parcel every so often.

sounds decent.

Italy's answer to illegals is a barb wired old army camp in the southern tip of Sicily, and the next boat out of the country - no if's or buts.

[Foey]

Perhaps for all these people we are told we can't deport we should simply dump them on an uninhabited island within British waters, and just airdrop them a food parcel every so often.


Sorry but that would no doubt be against their human rights.


As far as i am concerned anyone who commits a serious crime against another person should forfeit all their human rights, it's a sad sad world where the criminals get more consideration than their victims & their life behind bars is a life of ease & contentment.

Now before someone flames that last comment, i have a family member who is constantly being jailed for what in reality are quite minor offences, but he hates life on the outside & only feels settled when he is in prison having his meals cooked for him etc etc & it has become the life he knows, i have actually sat & discussed it all with him & to be honest couldn't believe what i was hearing.


I would like a lot of the red tape & paperwork that the Police have to abide by to be abolished, if they catch a chav spitting on a street corner they should be able to clout him round the ear, if he is harassing some little old lady they should be able to grab him by the neck & lock him up for a couple of days in the local nick with porridge (not KFC) for breakfast dinner & tea, bring back some common sense to policing, also get a lot more Bobbies on the beat & out on the roads.

[ThEGr33k]

the unwritten law about spending monies on scamera vans and not actual police,

Sorry but that would no doubt be against their human rights.


As far as i am concerned anyone who commits a serious crime against another person should forfeit all their human rights, it's a sad sad world where the criminals get more consideration than their victims & their life behind bars is a life of ease & contentment.

Now before someone flames that last comment, i have a family member who is constantly being jailed for what in reality are quite minor offences, but he hates life on the outside & only feels settled when he is in prison having his meals cooked for him etc etc & it has become the life he knows, i have actually sat & discussed it all with him & to be honest couldn't believe what i was hearing.


I would like a lot of the red tape & paperwork that the Police have to abide by to be abolished, if they catch a chav spitting on a street corner they should be able to clout him round the ear, if he is harassing some little old lady they should be able to grab him by the neck & lock him up for a couple of days in the local nick with porridge (not KFC) for breakfast dinner & tea, bring back some common sense to policing, also get a lot more Bobbies on the beat & out on the roads.



+1

I also think that the Camera's out there to catch speeding should be gone and the speed limits increased... Heh, can hope. I think there should be more law, like one that says our roads should be in perfect condition! :rolleyes:

[Viney]

As far as i am concerned anyone who commits a serious crime against another person should forfeit all their human rights Tooo effin right ed. I have said that and stand by that. No need to appologise. However, i do say that their basic human rigths should still stand, im not that hard! So a fair trial and thats that really. However, park on a red route, then that should be punishable by death...or worse

[Iansv II]

Human Rights legislation is a joke, can't deport terrorists now... hmm

Motorway Speed limits need reviewing

Capital Punishment and Corporal punishment should get a referendum


for starters anyway

[simesb]

Capital Punishment and Corporal punishment should get a referendum

Yeah, State sponsored killing has for long been considered the marker of a civilised society :confused::rolleyes:

[Mr Speirs]

I think every single law that has been passed by labour in the last 12 years need reviewing by a vast group of normal people who have a modicum of common sense.

[ChrisSV]

Speed limits need reviewing, as does much of the on road legislation, and speed cameras.
i agree with much of the above, about the HRA, and i believe i should be given a full review along with all the legislation regarding criminals and punishments, for example harder, and not shortened. However i do believe that rehabilitation is a good method, as is the way we do it, by developing peoples skills and abilitys, but this would be much more effective if prison was harder and gave people a will and mentallity to progress.

[Biker Biggles]

For starters, the one that means that we have to put up with two Pakistani terrorists here. We can't deport them because they might face torture or death in Pakistan. Funny, the people concerned didn't seem too bothered about that fate for other people when they were planning to blow up a shopping centre. The Human Rights Act needs radical review.
I share your outrage,but with one proviso.The "Pakistani terrorists"you refere to here were investigated very thoroughly by our security services and the upshot was that there was not enough evidence to convict them of anything.Now I dont believe for one moment that they are innocent,but why can we not procecute these people(and many others like them)and then put them in prison where they belong?I would have no problems with exporting them after they did their time either,whatever the judicial habits of the destination,but I do have a problem with just labelling people as terrorists without proving it in court.

[BigBaddad]

I share your outrage,but with one proviso.The "Pakistani terrorists"you refere to here were investigated very thoroughly by our security services and the upshot was that there was not enough evidence to convict them of anything.Now I dont believe for one moment that they are innocent,but why can we not procecute these people(and many others like them)and then put them in prison where they belong?I would have no problems with exporting them after they did their time either,whatever the judicial habits of the destination,but I do have a problem with just labelling people as terrorists without proving it in court.

By all accounts they showed intent. They were investigated and a warrant was issued based upon the evidence found.

Was only some decrepit old judge (the kind that blames child rape on the victim for wearing a skirt) that let them stay because they might be tortured if they go home. They were planning to blow themselves up FFS.

[Biker Biggles]

So why were they not charged and convicted of conspiacy to---whatever?
I cannot understand this countrys reluctance to prosecute these "terrorists",unless there is no evidence.If they cant produce evidence under our system of justice they are not guilty

[Specialone]

Bri, Ed, In my strong opinion, if they are worried about going back to their own country because of persecution or whatever then dont commit crime in their adopted country, simples.
So who gives a toss what happens to them if we ship em back, you lose human rights and my compassion the moment you try and harm a resident of this country, tuff titty imo.

Btw, speed limits need reviewing, driving assessments(not re-testing) for older people and non residents.
People from overseas who decide to reside in this country long term should need to pass the test of this country.
Loads of other laws and stealth taxes need to be looked at as well.

[Ed]

Here's a few more

The law that clobbers you with fines if you're late with your self assessment return:rolleyes:

The Special Immigration Appeals Tribunal needs review

Asylum seekers...

Stop and search without suspicion should be reviewed

The right to peaceful protest should be honoured, not ridiculed and constrained, and people should feel free to say what they think wiithout fear of being on a terror list or on a police video for years to come

Key Stages 1 and 2 should be scrapped and the 11 plus reintroduced

Council Tax is unfair and needs review

Business rates suck big hairy donkey balls. I pay a bloody fortune and I have no say in how it's fixed (note the word 'fixed'), or how it's spent and if I refuse to pay I get prosecuted

Common Agricultural Policy and Fishing Policy need review or preferably scrapping as far as the UK is concerned

Motorbike number plate law

Criminalisation of no Home Information Pack - has anyone been prosecuted for marketing a property illegally?

No smoking in pubs needs review to stop more pubs closing

[timwilky]

Here's a few more

The law that clobbers you with fines if you're late with your self assessment return:rolleyes:
Agree


The Special Immigration Appeals Tribunal needs review

Disagree, no need to review, scrap them, no right to appeal. Your gone


Asylum seekers...

No such thing. Economic migrant. asylum should be first safe country, not the country of preference.


Stop and search without suspicion should be reviewed
No need. Plod would never search anyone without suspicion. Would they?


The right to peaceful protest should be honoured, not ridiculed and constrained, and people should feel free to say what they think without fear of being on a terror list or on a police video for years to come

Agree. We are a democracy. Everyone has the right to have their peaceful views heard. But can we use the legislation to stop the street preaching, door knockers etc.


Key Stages 1 and 2 should be scrapped and the 11 plus reintroduced

Agree, but you then need somewhere for those that pass to go rather than the local one size fits all comp


Council Tax is unfair and needs review

Definitely, all service users should pay.


Business rates suck big hairy donkey balls. I pay a bloody fortune and I have no say in how it's fixed (note the word 'fixed'), or how it's spent and if I refuse to pay I get prosecuted
Agree, it is unfair. rates should be based on business turnover/no employees, profitability etc.


Common Agricultural Policy and Fishing Policy need review or preferably scrapping as far as the UK is concerned

It isn't common. the rest of Europe do the bits they want


Motorbike number plate law

Definitely. No plate required.


Criminalisation of no Home Information Pack - has anyone been prosecuted for marketing a property illegally?

Agree they are worthless


No smoking in pubs needs review to stop more pubs closing

You go in the wrong boozers. When the doors are locked, everyone has gone home and the law is already being broken, who cares about breaking another.

[yorkie_chris]

I think every single law that has been passed by labour in the last 12 years need reviewing by a vast group of normal people who have a modicum of common sense.

Yup.

[yorkie_chris]

So why were they not charged and convicted of conspiacy to---whatever?
I cannot understand this countrys reluctance to prosecute these "terrorists",unless there is no evidence.If they cant produce evidence under our system of justice they are not guilty

You know what, this might really surprise you so you'd best sit down.

Even before the terror laws heroically introduced by Neu Arbieten, blowing yourself and dozens of innocent civilians to pieces was actually still illegal.

[ThEGr33k]

No smoking in pubs needs review to stop more pubs closing


You go in the wrong boozers. When the doors are locked, everyone has gone home and the law is already being broken, who cares about breaking another.


Disagree, its a much more pleasant atmosphere without it and I don't appreciate the stink of it. By all means smoke but I don't want it thanks.

[yorkie_chris]

I miss it. I've given up smoking nearly 6 months now and I still miss it. Have stopped going in one of the local pubs because the lack of that smoky fog means you can smell all the sweaty slappers and stale ale.

I dunno why his tonyness decided to declare all out war on the pub trade, the w*nker. Rest of Europe sensibly ignores most of the EU bollox anyway. Have no trouble smoking in pubs in Spain. How come we get labored (lol) with the silly c***s who like applying rules?

[ThEGr33k]

Its because the majority of us dont smoke.

If like you say the pub smells then its obvious why its not goin to do well! Pubs were in decline well before this ban.

Anyway, all you have to do is go and drink more, funnily enough all my local pubs seem to be getting by fine! Being in Barnsley might help somewhat (right bunch of pi$s heads :p).

[yorkie_chris]

But in the pubs I'm on about the majority of people actually do smoke.

Should be freedom of choice on the matter, you don't want to go in a smoky pub, go to a non smoking one.

[timwilky]

Disagree, its a much more pleasant atmosphere without it and I don't appreciate the stink of it. By all means smoke but I don't want it thanks.

I don't smoke. However, I know that if I want to get a drink at stupid O'clock I have to give/take.

I hate the smell of smoke, I would have to go outside some places and let my eyes stop watering before I could go back in. However, once the staff have gone home and I am having to pour my own. I have to go with the flow.

There is one thing where things do go wrong. So the staff want a fag break. go outside for a smoke and then come back in pouring ale. My glass is contaminated by their dirty hands. They won't re use a glass for danger of cross contamination by the nozzle entering a used glass, yet don't realise they are making the glass stink, simply by getting hold of it. I tell them to wash their hands, deaf ears. Do I want a drink or not

[simesb]

So the staff want a fag break. go outside for a smoke and then come back in pouring ale. My glass is contaminated by their dirty hands.

I'd be more worried about when they'd been for a slash :p

[ThEGr33k]

Its the health thing that I don't like. I don't fancy suffering because of other peoples bad habits. I know it might be blown out of proportion but passive smoking is not good :(

I do love the fact that since the ban I can go out and provided I don't spill my clothes are not stinking of horrid stale smoke, or me for that matter.

But in the pubs I'm on about the majority of people actually do smoke.

Should be freedom of choice on the matter, you don't want to go in a smoky pub, go to a non smoking one.


I dont think it is a majority these days...

I cant remember there being a local pub that was no smoking, closest one was in Barnsley and thats a fair treck for a drink.

Anyway, best leave it at that I guess. Dont want to derail too much... again... :p

[simesb]

I cant remember there being a local pub that was no smoking, closest one was in Barnsley and thats a fair treck for a drink.

And what does that tell you? - pubs didn't HAVE to allow smoking before the ban.

[timwilky]

I am sat in an office overlooking the local Harley Davidson dealership, before that it was a non smoking bar. The only one I knew of anywhere in the area. Unless there was artist playing, it was dead. But the target clientèle were definitely middle class with money to spend and prepared for one to drive.

Certainly my local boozers have all suffered as a result of the ban (And greedy management companies overcharging for ale)

[carternd]

I want the law that requires a knee-jerk reaction every time a freak offence causes moral outrage, and results in a majority of law-abiding people losing a little more freedom.

[Biker Biggles]

I want the law that requires a knee-jerk reaction every time a freak offence causes moral outrage, and results in a majority of law-abiding people losing a little more freedom.
You mean you would ban the Daily Mail?:D
Sounds good.:cool:

[Biker Biggles]

So why were they not charged and convicted of conspiacy to---whatever?
I cannot understand this countrys reluctance to prosecute these "terrorists",unless there is no evidence.If they cant produce evidence under our system of justice they are not guilty

You know what, this might really surprise you so you'd best sit down.

Even before the terror laws heroically introduced by Neu Arbieten, blowing yourself and dozens of innocent civilians to pieces was actually still illegal.
Your point being?
I said these people should be prosecuted then chucked out when they have done their time.But in any civilised society you need evidence rather than denouncement in the press followed by a whichunt.
Anyway Im sitting down and waiting to be surprised by your further revelations of my obvious dimness.:rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

Your point being?
I said these people should be prosecuted then chucked out when they have done their time.But in any civilised society you need evidence rather than denouncement in the press followed by a whichunt.
Anyway Im sitting down and waiting to be surprised by your further revelations of my obvious dimness.:rolleyes:

Whoa I think you missed point there. That was a dig at labour introducing laws to limit personal freedoms to "stop terrorists"... when actually terrorism was kinda illegal anyway!

I agree with point you made.

[Tim in Belgium]

Age of consent.

[squirrel_hunter]

Age of consent.

Well played sir, well played.

[yorkie_chris]

Does that mean I get my penalty points for telling jailbait jokes on here removed? :smt082