View Full Version : Just Bought My Stolen KTM Back on Ebay!!
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 11:11 AM
Nothing to see here
davepreston
25-05-10, 11:25 AM
fecking well played mate
you did exactly the right thing
bet plod were giggling when you called them
i'll have a pint here for you in celebration
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 11:32 AM
Cheers Dave. I'm cautiously optomistic so will be saving my own celebratory pint for when the bike is back in my garage :)
Biker Biggles
25-05-10, 11:33 AM
Well well what a result.Police might be able to trace back who had it if the px for a car story is true,but I suspect the address given will turn out to be false.
When do I get my go on it?
Absolutely well played! This is exactly how you should have handled the situation and well done for doing so.
Seems like the person who has part x´d his car for the bike is now left with nothing in this situation ~ or have I read this wrongly?
_Stretchie_
25-05-10, 11:38 AM
Did the right thing mate, if you went in windmilling demanding your bike back as some people might suggest, then you would have been the kernob.
Well done on common sense prevailing
Hope you get a good result and your bike back
; )
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 11:43 AM
Nothing to see
barwel1992
25-05-10, 11:44 AM
wow nice one :D
but only 44 feed back on ebay? discrase you dont buy enough :P
ps you ow the person on the other forum a pint ;)
that is epic, glad for ya mate looks like a nice little bike. :)
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 11:49 AM
Seems like the person who has part x´d his car for the bike is now left with nothing in this situation ~ or have I read this wrongly?
That will definitely be the case if/when I'm awarded the bike. I do sympathise with him, and I'm sure it will be a case of "hindsight is 20/20", but I personally would have made more effort to ensure it wasn't stolen (as I did when I bought it).
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 11:55 AM
wow nice one :D
but only 44 feed back on ebay? discrase you dont buy enough :P
ps you ow the person on the other forum a pint ;)
I was out of pocket for the 2 bikes that were stolen (neither insured) and that definitely hurt my budget for toys. I do prefer to buy/sell off forums where I can though - leads to less disappointment in my experience.
I definitely owe a few rounds to the guys who spotted it and managed to find my phone number to alert me. I hadn't been checking that forum, nor my emails as I've been busy moving house over the weekend, so a bit of detective work was done to track me down.
Owenski
25-05-10, 12:02 PM
well played that man, and you for that matter.
Chuffed to bits for you mate, hopefully it wont take the 6months.
Did the bloke who's door you knocked on seem legit then? Might be worth handing him a 6pack at the end of it then, after all he could have been a **** an said "naaaa f'it put it in the inpound an pay £12 a day if I'm gonna be out of pocket then you can too"
Did the bloke who's door you knocked on seem legit then? Might be worth handing him a 6pack at the end of it then, after all he could have been a **** an said "naaaa f'it put it in the inpound an pay £12 a day if I'm gonna be out of pocket then you can too"
would he not have a legitimate claim for storage expenses should the bike go back to its rightful owner? It would seem logical that if the impound can charge, so can he.
Not often you hear of that happening is it. Let's hope they can trace backwards and get the light fingered person who pinched it in the first place. It wouldn't surprise me if that bike has already changed hands several times though.
I also hope you don't find the engine has been wrecked in the time it's been on its travels.
Well played mate!
Just curious, how do you check a bike like that? Engine & frame numbers?
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 12:31 PM
Did the bloke who's door you knocked on seem legit then? Might be worth handing him a 6pack at the end of it then, after all he could have been a **** an said "naaaa f'it put it in the inpound an pay £12 a day if I'm gonna be out of pocket then you can too"
I believe he's legit -he was certainly suprised, and he would have had to have been very thick to have listed it on ebay without making any effort at all to disguise it, plus giving me his home address etc. Also his parents were there and backed up his claims about the transaction.
I suppose he might have suggested that it go to the pound, but I think he's in a slight bit of denial about the identity of the bike and really hoping it's not true - as would be expected if you thought you were about to lose out on this scale (I've had 9 months to get used to the loss).
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 12:39 PM
Well played mate!
Just curious, how do you check a bike like that? Engine & frame numbers?
About the only thing stock/unmodified on it is the frame and swingarm. Visually the bike is obviously identical, but I have a long list of unique details that prove the bike is what I say it is, as well as the support of the previous owner and the company who originally built it as a race bike. I also have hundreds of detailed photos of the bike and me riding it. Aside from that I don't want to be too specific on the forum as I think the details are best shared between me and those investigating :)
Aye, I understand, but what I meant was:
If you're about to buy a bike with no number plate (like this one), you can't do a HPi check on it, so how else can you check if it wasn't stolen?
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 12:55 PM
Aye, I understand, but what I meant was:
If you're about to buy a bike with no number plate (like this one), you can't do a HPi check on it, so how else can you check if it wasn't stolen?
Ahh I see. Well I bought it off of a fellow who is an exceptionally successful business man. I found it for sale on Ebay and Visordown and contacted him directly. I visited his luxury home (jaw dropping really, with an amazing stable of motorized toys) to view the bike. He provided me with the details of the bike, some of it's history, boxes of spare parts, and contact information for the individual/company who built it. The bike and seller were also known to some people on the SM forum, one of which assisted by delivering the bike to my house.
Given all of that I was confident it wasn't a shady deal. Had he said "I'll meet you 'round the back of Asda" or turned up at my place with it in a rusty Transit and wearing a track suit or jeans halfway down his backside, then I would have walked away.
gettin2dizzy
25-05-10, 12:57 PM
Has it got an odometer on it?
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 01:00 PM
Has it got an odometer on it?
No but it has an hourmeter. Wouldn't be difficult at all though to disable that if he wanted to get up to any shennanigans.
gettin2dizzy
25-05-10, 01:01 PM
I'd imagine if you nick a bike, you won't be arsed about faking mileage. How many hours has it been run for since then? And how far has it physically travelled across the UK? (Not as in miles ridden, just where it ended up).
Odd situation, but possibly the best outcome :)
CheGuevara
25-05-10, 01:19 PM
I'd imagine if you nick a bike, you won't be arsed about faking mileage. How many hours has it been run for since then? And how far has it physically travelled across the UK? (Not as in miles ridden, just where it ended up).
Odd situation, but possibly the best outcome :)
I actually didn't check the hours (it's buried under the seat and what with all the nerves it didn't occur to me at the moment) but having seen the state of the tire I know it's seen a few.
It was stolen from Corby (or as I like to say "North West Kettering") and has turned up in Manchester. Not sure where it's been in the interim, but I suspect in someone's shed waiting for things to die down.
Specialone
25-05-10, 03:57 PM
Hope it ends the way you want it :).
Thieving gits and stupid as well i think, if i was that way inclined i would change a few things to disguise it at least.
How gutted must the porr bloke who had it part ex'd be. He will probably end up out of pocket thats for sure, unless it was an Ebay deal.
Good news for your, bad news for that poor fellow.
Speedy Claire
25-05-10, 04:47 PM
Fantasic!!! well done on handling it the way you did and well done to your mate for spotting it in the first place. Hope the issue is quickly resolved.
Miss_Undaztood
25-05-10, 05:31 PM
Same thing happened to my mate years ago. He had a moto cross bike stolen from his house, and a few weeks later saw an ad in the paper for the same kind of bike. Him, his dad and me went up to fife to see the bike. They had tried to quickly paint it over in black but it was obviously the same bike. We left saying we`d think about it and on the way to the cop shop flagged down a police car and went back to the house with the fuzz. To say the vendors were a bit miffed is putting it lightly, they said it was a disgrace to involve the police !!! Thieving scum.
Anyway, the cops siezed the bike and after investigating returned it to my mate a few weeks later.
He also had tons of pics of him on the bike and knew it inside out, where as the thieving scum knew bugger all about it when quizzed by the police.
Result :)
CoolGirl
25-05-10, 07:47 PM
what an amazing story! Good on you, fellow KTM bikers and the heat for working together. Hope it has a happy outcome all round - current keeper might have some recourse to compensation further down the line. I'm sure you'll keep us posted.
Good work! Have to say though, i'm feeling little anxious for you that he still has custody of the bike. He could still sell it on, I mean it could still be "stolen" from his garage...
the_lone_wolf
25-05-10, 08:34 PM
Aye, I understand, but what I meant was:
If you're about to buy a bike with no number plate (like this one), you can't do a HPi check on it, so how else can you check if it wasn't stolen?
Even KTM's race bikes come with frame and engine numbers, if you run them past the coppers they can tell you if it appears on their register of stolen bikes:cool:
Good to hear she's on her way home...
yorkie_chris
25-05-10, 09:02 PM
I asked coppers before if they could check a registration number for me (just if it was stolen), they said not their problem.
(Perhaps that was just Hfax front desk being useless)
I asked coppers before if they could check a registration number for me (just if it was stolen), they said not their problem.
(Perhaps that was just Hfax front desk being useless)
I've had the opposite response from Bedfordshire Police, they couldn't have been more helpful. I just asked if the bike had any markers against it, not who was the regd keeper or owt like that
yorkie_chris
26-05-10, 12:17 PM
Yup same as I asked, i wasn't trying to find out anything like that! I must have just got bad luck with getting through to a kn*b rather than a copper.
CheGuevara
26-05-10, 01:00 PM
Good work! Have to say though, i'm feeling little anxious for you that he still has custody of the bike. He could still sell it on, I mean it could still be "stolen" from his garage...
Yep it's not the most comfortable situation for me either, however I would never be able to afford the impound fees if it dragged on. I asked and have been told though, that if it's damaged further or disappears, then he is liable having signed a statement to that effect.
I have been busy yesterday and today, and have gathered new evidence that will support my claims. I'm awaiting reply regarding one other item which wll make it 100% iron-clad and then I will contact the police and see if we can put an end to this.
CheGuevara
04-06-10, 02:26 PM
Small update -the bike has been impounded (last Sat I believe). I'm still working to see that it gets back to me as quickly as possible. I've had a great deal of help from a fantastic PC in Corby, who actualy handled the case when the bike was stolen, and is a motorcyclist himself.
I'll post more details when it's resolved, but want to be cautious for the moment about what I write on a public forum.
Impounded at a cost to you?
I guess there is alot of benefit to you in this, as you get a bike back which you have already received money for from your insurers... but how does that work, do they just leave you with the money and the bike... or does the stolen bike which you are fighting to get back now belong to them?
CheGuevara
04-06-10, 03:08 PM
Impounded at a cost to you?
I guess there is alot of benefit to you in this, as you get a bike back which you have already received money for from your insurers... but how does that work, do they just leave you with the money and the bike... or does the stolen bike which you are fighting to get back now belong to them?
The bike was actually not insured, nor was the DT125 that was stolen along with it. So I'm 100% out of pocket for both, and been without them for 9 months now. Additionaly the KTM will now need a rebuild (could be ~£1000) as it's only intended to run 20hrs. I figure I can go a bit longer than that as I'm terribly slow, but it has certainly seen far more since it's been out of my hands.
Regarding the cost of impounding - I have had one source advise that I'm not responsible for any charges except from the time the police release the bike. I have yet to confirm this is the situation in Manchester -if not then it really is victimising the victim and I will argue till I'm blue in the face about it. In any case it was a necessary step to take, as will become clear when I can post the details.
Ah right, thats a bugger, so this really is god news then :D
I imagine you got a mate to pretend to be interested ;) and he took the bait so the bike go impounded?
CheGuevara
04-06-10, 03:19 PM
I imagine you got a mate to pretend to be interested ;) and he took the bait so the bike go impounded?
All is explained in the first post :)
hindle8907
04-06-10, 03:21 PM
Will be interesting to see the out come, I hope you get your bike back with no charges, but the impound will want paying as they are just a company I don't think the police make the rates its just a set fee what the yard charge.
All is explained in the first post :)
No I mean the second time? as they didnt impound it straight away after your first visit.
So the seller must have done something bad to get it impounded. :p
CheGuevara
04-06-10, 03:26 PM
No I mean the second time? as they didnt impound it straight away after your first visit.
So the seller must have done something bad to get it impounded. :p
Ahh I see - no I haven't been back out to see the bike (nor have any friends), but that's all I can say for the moment :)
davepreston
16-06-10, 03:57 PM
yes update we all wait with baited breath
yes update we all wait with baited breath
What are you trying to catch with your breath? Bated man... bated ;)
Yes I know your Lisdyxic, just avvin a larf
davepreston
16-06-10, 05:40 PM
What are you trying to catch with your breath? Bated man... bated ;)
Yes I know your Lisdyxic, just avvin a larf
laugh ;)
CheGuevara
17-06-10, 10:06 AM
Removed (for now).
Owenski
17-06-10, 10:15 AM
is there anyway you can go above the GMP officer who is meant to be dealing with it?
Obviously in any other industry you'd be able to speak to a superior who would then no doubt crack the whip on the lazy sod you've been dealing with so far.
yorkie_chris
17-06-10, 10:16 AM
Isn't Bluepete GMP? Maybe he could 'av a word?
Bluepete
17-06-10, 10:18 AM
Isn't Bluepete GMP? Maybe he could 'av a word?
Greater Manchester Plumbers?
Pete ;)
CheGuevara
17-06-10, 10:21 AM
is there anyway you can go above the GMP officer who is meant to be dealing with it?
Obviously in any other industry you'd be able to speak to a superior who would then no doubt crack the whip on the lazy sod you've been dealing with so far.
I have been trying, but they seem to be avoiding dealing with it. It's how I made contact with the DS I mentioned, who now wants nothing to do with it and was sharp and rude when I asked for general information. Otherwise I just seem to get passed around to various people who don't seem to want to step on the toes of the PC in charge, although they're always happy to leave a message for him (which of course does no good whatsoever).
I'll be writing a letter to someone high up there will be my next move, as soon as I can determine who's responsible for the Partington department.
the_lone_wolf
17-06-10, 10:23 AM
Greater Manchester Plumbers?
Pete ;)
No they missed out an "I"
;)
Bluepete
17-06-10, 10:24 AM
If it was in Partington, address the letter to the Detective Chief Inspector, Stretford Police Station, Talbot Rd, Stretford.
Pete.
CheGuevara
17-06-10, 10:43 AM
If it was in Partington, address the letter to the Detective Chief Inspector, Stretford Police Station, Talbot Rd, Stretford.
Pete.
Cheers for that :)
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 01:34 PM
I have just got off the phone with the PC in Manchester. Yesterday I sent him a fairly directly-worded email with a CC to his Inspector. I'm aware that the Northants Police have also emailed him requesting information on the matter.
He has told me that he hasn't received any of my (numerous) phone messages, and that he's ringing just to check whether I've had any communication regarding the interpleadership. After 7+ weeks of no communication I find this an incredible coincidence of timing.
He insists that this civil interpleadership process is required in these circumstances. He is chasing up the solicitors assigned to it to see what the status is. I have also asked for a written copy of the directive (or guidance, legislation, or whatever it may be) so that I can see for myself, and he has promised to send this to me.
We discussed the potential impound charges, and after making an inquiry he called me back to advise that I would only be liable for charges accruing after the bike is authorised for release (once the civil case is closed), as well as a release fee of £150. A bit of a sting still (considering I've also got to stump up for two round trips to Manchester, and days off of work), but better than the potential thousands it might otherwise cost.
So hopefully the ball is once again rolling on this, and with a bit of luck it will gain some momentum.
hindle8907
14-07-10, 01:38 PM
:) hope you get the result you want .....
Best of luck with it mate. Was a stroke finding it on ebay
Let's hope that bouncing ball doesn't end up just bouncing back instead of forward. Have been on that sort of trip before.
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 02:41 PM
I've now had a chance to read the procedure regarding interpleadership. It still strikes me as a bit bizarre, but I can't blame the PC for that. He has also rang me to advise that he has spoken to civil litigation and that I should expect to hear from them within 3 weeks.
If anyone is interested:
Interpleader and civil dispute procedures
You should read this guidance in conjunction with Chief Constable’s Order 98/44, item 4.
For the purposes of this guidance, all references to property include vehicles.
Property claimed by two or more parties
In a dispute over the ownership of property purchased by an innocent party, after it has been taken from its original owner either by theft, deception or other means, the police have no authority to decide who is the rightful owner.
We have two procedures for dealing with these circumstances:
Interpleader procedure
This is used when the property is in our possession, for example in a rota garage.
Interpleader is a legal process in which ownership is ultimately decided by a court. No compensation is awarded to either party.
Disputed ownership procedure
This is used when the property has been left in the hands of the innocent purchaser.
Officer in the case
Where possible you should seize the property, particularly if there is any risk that it will be damaged or disposed of by the person in possession. Book the property into the divisional property store, a rota garage or police pound.
Inform the rota garage that the property is subject to interpleader. This avoids storage charges being incurred. There will always be a recovery fee to be paid by the owner, once ownership has been established.
Seized property must not be returned without written authority from Greater Manchester Police Authority or the Civil Litigation Section.
Before the Interpleader procedure can be implemented, the property must be available for release. This means either that the criminal case has been dealt with, or the property is not needed as evidence in a criminal trial. If the innocent purchaser is the subject of criminal proceedings, the matter is not suitable for interpleader until those proceedings have concluded.
Vehicles seized in another Force area
We have amended the procedure for vehicles seized in another Force area.
Where a vehicle is reported stolen from the Manchester area, and recovered by another force, you should:
update PNC;
inform the original loser, and/or insurance company that the vehicle has been recovered; and
give the details of the officer in case from the other Force to the original loser and/or insurance company.
The Force seizing the vehicle and having it in their possession is responsible for dealing with the matter according to its own policy.
You can get more information from the Management of Property Policy guide, which is on the intranet at:
so you dont pay storage fees you only pay recovery fees. nice one.
but its going to be a looooooong drawn out process to get it back.
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 02:57 PM
so you dont pay storage fees you only pay recovery fees. nice one.
but its going to be a looooooong drawn out process to get it back.
Yes, not great, but the recovery fee is £150 vs the £12.50/day I was led to believe I was facing -it's still good news (relatively speaking).
Owenski
14-07-10, 05:18 PM
i spose its not too bad then, pleased for ya mate it not often you hear to the sucess stories like these.
You had any more communcation with the ebayer you found in possesion of it? Obviously he's quite out of pocket at the moment (not that thats your problem) but I just wondered if he's tried to ask for some compo etc.
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 05:37 PM
i spose its not too bad then, pleased for ya mate it not often you hear to the sucess stories like these.
You had any more communcation with the ebayer you found in possesion of it? Obviously he's quite out of pocket at the moment (not that thats your problem) but I just wondered if he's tried to ask for some compo etc.
Well I'm not calling it success until I have my bike back -and it sounds like that could be a long while yet (and was nicked about 11 months ago now).
The guy who was found with it in his possesion did indeed "ask" me for money. It was along the lines of "If you don't pay me what it cost me, then I'll cut it into bits if it's awarded to you", which is why it's now in impound. I haven't bothered to attempt communicating with him since, although he has sent me a few text messages (which I've ignored).
yorkie_chris
14-07-10, 05:40 PM
I would pass that onto police, extortion or something surely?
timwilky
14-07-10, 05:41 PM
Surely it is up to him to chase they guy he bought it from for his money back, not you.
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 05:52 PM
I would pass that onto police, extortion or something surely?
I did, and that's why it was impounded.
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 05:53 PM
Surely it is up to him to chase they guy he bought it from for his money back, not you.
I actually suggested this, but the logic completely eluded him.
sounds to me like the ebay bloke isn't as innocent as he says, used a friend's account with zero feedback for the listing... what was wrong with his own ebay account?
i hope you triumph and get your bike back mr G
CoolGirl
14-07-10, 06:16 PM
eeep - sorry to hear tis is turning into an epic!
If you haven't done so already, may I suggest you write back to the PC confirming the detaiuls of your conversation:
"Dear PC w, thanks for speaking to me on x, where you let me know y, and that it would happen by z"
and cc his boss - a good trick to keep people on their toes!
good luck
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 07:00 PM
sounds to me like the ebay bloke isn't as innocent as he says, used a friend's account with zero feedback for the listing... what was wrong with his own ebay account?
i hope you triumph and get your bike back mr G
Thanks.
The ebay bloke is not computer literate in any sense. Not even an email address. His friend uses the account to sell cars, but seemingly concludes all of his business off of ebay (attempting to avoid fees no doubt). :rolleyes:
CheGuevara
14-07-10, 07:08 PM
eeep - sorry to hear tis is turning into an epic!
If you haven't done so already, may I suggest you write back to the PC confirming the detaiuls of your conversation:
"Dear PC w, thanks for speaking to me on x, where you let me know y, and that it would happen by z"
and cc his boss - a good trick to keep people on their toes!
good luck
It is indeed a useful tool - I have a strong suspicion my email from yesterday (in which I did cc his boss) earned him a bit of an ear bashing, which is why I've suddenly heard from him after 7 weeks of no contact.
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 11:03 AM
After 5 months it seems this may be actually going to court. I'm awaiting a letter to confirm. If so I'm very disappointed - aside from the initial theft report, I have provided several pages of documentation detailing the entire history of the bike (from it's initial build, through every owner until it reached my hands) as well as dozens of detailed photographs, witness contact info etc. The case could not be any more straight-forward, so it really defies all logic that it's gone on this long, nevermind making it to court.
barwel1992
22-10-10, 11:08 AM
Thats ****tty mate :( hope it gets sorted out asap
ThEGr33k
22-10-10, 11:20 AM
Aye, as above. Hope it gets sorted soon man!!!!
454697819
22-10-10, 11:32 AM
sad that it is going to court but if it is a straight foward case, here is hoping it will be done asap...?
Fingers crossed for you mate..
I've done jury service before in the past and it really in amazing, and totally un-understandable (is that a word?) what goes through the courts. Some people need there heads banging together. Hope it all works out in your favour mate. Fookin' shi'ite though.
benji106
22-10-10, 11:44 AM
Incomprehensible
maviczap
22-10-10, 11:48 AM
Unfortunately the scum of the earth will always go the not guilty route just in case there is the slimmest chance they'll get off.
Wether its a technicality or some small chink in the evidence, their defence brief will advise them to go not guilty. After all the defence is getting paid quite nicely by you and me from the legal aid fund
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 12:25 PM
Unfortunately the scum of the earth will always go the not guilty route just in case there is the slimmest chance they'll get off.
Wether its a technicality or some small chink in the evidence, their defence brief will advise them to go not guilty. After all the defence is getting paid quite nicely by you and me from the legal aid fund
No disagreement there, but this is a civil case to determine ownership. A court case will be the result of the interpleader not being able (or willing) to make a decision, which is what they were appointed (by the police) to do.
It's a bit pathetic because my case is: detailed knowledge of every feature of a very unique motorcycle, full history of ownership, tons of evidence of my ownership, photos, witnesses and so on. About everything possible bar registration (it was a race bike).
His case is: I got it off some guy.
My understanding is that if it goes to court we will both be requested to pay towards court costs, and whomever wins will be liable to the other for that fee (and I think any other costs).
Aside from that it's Joe Taxpayer who will foot the bill for the impound charges (5 months worth and counting), interpleaders time (assuming she's actually spent any time on it - I'm pretty sure she hasn't bothered to contact any of my witnesses), many hours of police time (mostly Northamptonshire police trying to get information from the GMP officers involved who were useless and uncooperative) and so on.
maviczap
22-10-10, 12:27 PM
Ah sorry, didn't realise it was just to sort out ownership. That's shizzle
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 12:36 PM
Ah sorry, didn't realise it was just to sort out ownership. That's shizzle
Yeah. I wouldn't so much as dare to dream that GMP might bother to investigate (nevermind charge) someone in possesion of stolen property (documented in an open case with Northants police), after that person invoked the all-powerful "I got it off some guy" clause. :smt104
Biker Biggles
22-10-10, 12:41 PM
Civil case gets decided on "balance of probability" so you should win hands down,including costs.They may even award a lot of costs to you if they think the other side is taking the p1ss.Your problem will be getting the money out of them.Good luck with that.
davepreston
22-10-10, 01:27 PM
id say the only thing they may spring on you is they bought the bike with damage and therefore some of the parts are their property and they wish the return of said parts , so in theory you could get half a bike back
that may be one to ask your brief about ,a what if they said this
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 02:40 PM
id say the only thing they may spring on you is they bought the bike with damage and therefore some of the parts are their property and they wish the return of said parts , so in theory you could get half a bike back
that may be one to ask your brief about ,a what if they said this
Worth asking about for sure, but I have many detailed photos of the bike before and during my ownership. As most of the parts are not stock he would have ahrd time pointing to anyhting that wasn't visibly there (in photos or the race build specs) before.
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 02:44 PM
Civil case gets decided on "balance of probability" so you should win hands down,including costs.They may even award a lot of costs to you if they think the other side is taking the p1ss.Your problem will be getting the money out of them.Good luck with that.
I'm hoping that's the way it goes. Or better still that he abandons his claim once he realises he has no chance, and may be facing further costs when he loses.
Wow so sorry to hear that this is still going on.
I hope that the court case is open and shut and you get the very best possible outcome.
davepreston
22-10-10, 03:13 PM
Worth asking about for sure, but I have many detailed photos of the bike before and during my ownership. As most of the parts are not stock he would have ahrd time pointing to anyhting that wasn't visibly there (in photos or the race build specs) before.
mate you seem to have the right ideas about how to approach this, overkill is your friend here, better 500 bits of info and photos you many not require than 1 you need but dont have
if i were you id build a case folder (almost like if you were the brief)
and find every last scrap of info, reciepts and photos
orginise into sections and sub sections for instant fingertip referance
then make 4 copies
1 each you, judge, opposition, and your brief
i did proper prep like this for a accident i was in (which the other party denied took place) and i was told my orginisation and showing of relevent info was a leading factor in it going my way
dont take a knife to a gun fight
take a nuke
speedplay
22-10-10, 03:20 PM
sorry to hear that this is still ongoing.
I was wondering the other day if this had been sorted yet, obviously not:(
WHEN you get it back (not if) would you consider registering it for the road so then at least ownership is logged with you on the DVLA database?
CheGuevara
22-10-10, 03:36 PM
WHEN you get it back (not if) would you consider registering it for the road so then at least ownership is logged with you on the DVLA database?
I think that would be difficult, if not impossible. I gather it's tough to do with a standard offroad bike, but this one is far from that. It doesn't even have an engine number -it's just has the name of the builder engraved in that spot.
speedplay
22-10-10, 03:50 PM
I think that would be difficult, if not impossible. I gather it's tough to do with a standard offroad bike, but this one is far from that. It doesn't even have an engine number -it's just has the name of the builder engraved in that spot.
It can be awkward to get an offroader registered and you do have to jump through hoop, but its just one more way that you can prove a bike belongs to you.
May even be fun to use on the road from time to time too :)
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