What would you do if

[454697819]

your driving through your village at 30mph as the law says and the impatient freelander driver is obviously irritated behind you as I have stopped hem blatting through at 50,

We both turn right onto the main road at the end of the village and I accelerate moderately up the road and to my dismay I find him accelerating to try and over take, initially struggling, as I am already in a good gear and pulling away from him, as he fails to pull much further than along side I find myself deciding to back off rather than out drag him (which I could have done in a second or two), for fear of it ending in tears and I get accused of racing or goading by the plod if & when they pull him out of a field.

I let myself down with the next bit by flipping him the V's when he pulls in front as he has been in my mind a **** and its early and I have no tolerance for idiots like this. He then plays the ****** game and brakes hard several times just to try and irritate me, I have already backed off at this point and am leaving to it, however he is still trying to brake hard to throw me,

I follow him as we are both going the same way and witness more awful driving to the point I was tempted to take his plate and report for dangerous,

I shake my head and arrive at work safe...

My question to you is.. should I just have out dragged him and ****ed him off for dust,
should I report him for his ridiculous manoeuvre and doing 50 though the second 30mph we come accross?

I know he comes through our village the same time every day.. I might just make a nail stick... that will **** up his day...


and breath...........

be warned suffolk riders / drivers.. blue Freelander 55 plate in the otley area,

[yorkie_chris]

You got a towbar? Bang the handbrake on next time he's sat right up your chuff :)

[Stig]

You should have completely ignored him and let him overtake you. He is obviously an accident waiting to happen. Better it be if your not involved.

I had something similar. Driving in a 50mph zone into a 30. It's a 30 because there is a school just up the road. 4x4 driver catches me up as I hit the 30 zone so slow down appropriately. He is flashing his lights at me and raises his hands in despair as though I am doing something really stupid by driving so slowly. He eventually overtakes me directly outside the school and zooms off up the road. Gesticulating to me as he passes. I never reacted to him. I then followed him for the next 5 miles in traffic. Sometimes it just isn't worth reacting to it.

[Quedos]

technically you done right slowed down to let him in after his carppy attempt at an overtake.
next time outdrag him leaving him standing and let him catch up in the 30, then outdrag/ overtake him again
no fingers no nothing except a nice big grin when you go past. It will infuriate him more

[dizzyblonde]

You got a towbar? Bang the handbrake on next time he's sat right up your chuff :)


That only works if its attached to the Freelander:rolleyes: after all I doubt the Freelander would feel a towbar on a lower car in its front end.

It happens from both sides of the coin Alex, we get stupid chav a*holes in Corsas right up the rear end of our Freelander, Pegs been tempted so many times to just bang on the brakes and put a towbar in the rad grill:p Usually we can just feck off, as the V6 pulls pertty well, leaving them behind to play games on their own

Just let the twonk past, hes obviously some pillock of Suffolk that thinks because he wears a tweed waistcoat and flat cap he can get away with things like this with lesser folk;)

[yorkie_chris]

Rad ends up pretty low on those anyway... they are not 4x4 height. Plus numbers did not say what he is driving.

[dizzyblonde]

Rad ends up pretty low on those anyway... they are not 4x4 height. Plus numbers did not say what he is driving.

All the better they get wedged underneath:smt036

[_Stretchie_]

I find myself deciding to back off rather than out drag him (which I could have done in a second or two), for fear of it ending in tears and I get accused of racing or goading by the plod if & when they pull him out of a field

Deffo did the right thing there mate, mind you, if he had a proper Land Rover you wouldn't have had to worry about him needing to get pulled out of a field (had to get that in there)

[yorkie_chris]

All the better they get wedged underneath:smt036

Underneath a pile of disintegrating plastic?

[dizzyblonde]

Deffo did the right thing there mate, mind you, if he had a proper Land Rover you wouldn't have had to worry about him needing to get pulled out of a field (had to get that in there)


what like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpE6bKBLAEQ&feature=related

[yorkie_chris]

Oh look a hairdresser, bless it

[_Stretchie_]

You never let me down Dizz..

:smt057

[dizzyblonde]

where? Looks like a fuzzy beardy bloke that needs one though!

[Kalessin]

A similar thing happened to me a few years ago, and again, the other car was a 4x4.

I get the distinct impression that many incompetent or aggressive drivers have no idea why they have so many accidents or near misses, so they buy large vehicles for protection from other road users.

(Aside: note my use of the word "many" which makes it clear that I'm not slating all 4x4 drivers!)

In this case, I was obeying the change of speed limit from 40 to 60 and the Land Rover that had been sitting impatiently behind me decided this would be a good opportunity to overtake.

In the dark.

In the rain.

With a bend at the bottom of the hill...

... and now there's a car coming around the bend ahead of us, and the 4x4 is only just level with me and I realise that he's not going to pull back because he sees it as defeat and he keeps pushing forward and I brake to allow him to pull in front.

He pulls in front of me and the oncoming vehicle goes past, but the road is very wet and the 4x4 skids and spins back over the other side other road and into a stone wall.

The driver was unhurt and got out of the car. His mate had been in the car behind and they were both making out that I had accelerated deliberately to block him, even though the speed limit signs are clearly visible along that stretch of road.

I got a visit from the police later that night but both they and the 4x4's insurance company agreed that it was the other driver's own stupid fault.

I call that poetic justice, and I hold on tight to that story (and this one (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=129010)) when 4x4 drivers use their size to intimidate and bully other road users; it has a calming effect, knowing that they will very likely get what they deserve.

[454697819]

Rad ends up pretty low on those anyway... they are not 4x4 height. Plus numbers did not say what he is driving.

(cause I am now a BMW driver)

Dizzy, nothing against freelander drivers.. just this Muppet exclusively.

It wound me up this morning.. ill have a cuppa and calm down further..

[dizzyblonde]

(cause I am now a BMW driver)

Dizzy, nothing against freelander drivers.. just this Muppet exclusively.

It wound me up this morning.. ill have a cuppa and calm down further..


OMG Alex you have gone down in my estimation!:p I hate BMW drivers, and Audi drivers, and women who ride top of the range Range Rovers with them posh wheels that get stuck in snow....pah I just hate drivers!

Joking aside, it does wind you up at the time, then you think to$$er I did the right thing...until the next time someone does something like it again. All drivers should be shot....did I mention I'll be doing my test soon?:p

[_Stretchie_]

I'd LOVE to have the ABILITY to bully someone like that in my Land Rover (note the word ABILITY, don't want to actually do it), but it's got all the acceleration of a lame horse

[CheGuevara]

You should have completely ignored him and let him overtake you. He is obviously an accident waiting to happen. Better it be if your not involved.

...

Sometimes it just isn't worth reacting to it.

+1

[suzsv650]

Personally i would have out dragged his everytime, if he was then getting up my chuff i would have belted it.

[Philbo]

It never ceases to amaze me that people think a bike is slow because it's obeying a speed limit, and their car/van/4x4 must be faster than you. Tadger probably thought you were ragging the bike for all it's worth to hold him off, instead of the reality where you were just riding as normal.

I'd have burned him! At least for a moment, to make the point...:p

[Lozzo]

Follow him to his destinantion and then have a free and frank exchange of views culminating in him reaching for tissues to wipe the blood from his nose.

[Garstang Rider]

If on the bike I particularly enjoy letting em go, waiting to catch them up at the next traffic jam, then filtering along past and plonking myself in front of them in a subtle gesture at the futility of their plonkishness.

In the car? I'd probably slam my foot down, until realising someone is going to end up in a mangle.

[454697819]

It never ceases to amaze me that people think a bike is slow because it's obeying a speed limit, and their car/van/4x4 must be faster than you. Tadger probably thought you were ragging the bike for all it's worth to hold him off, instead of the reality where you were just riding as normal.

I'd have burned him! At least for a moment, to make the point...:p

Down side is I was in my car lol..

currently bike less, my avatar is me pining..

[2hys]

i was on the m26 (a two lane motorway) on wednesday in my lorry doing 56 mph the lorry in front was going slightly slower, i decided to overtake as i could not see any cars in my rear view mirror, i must have taken 2 or 3 minutes to overtake him but in that time a que of cars had formed behined me! i pulled back in, the first car to pass was french, (driver on the left) no reaction... then came the toyota hi lux 4x4 with fists waving and rude hand gestors.. the third car an un marked police ford focus... now with blue and twos, the copper in the passanger seat smiled at me as they passed then pulled the 4x4 over.. made my day that did:plod::smt023

[-Ralph-]

I'd had out dragged him to be honest, normally I wouldn't and I hate people who do it to me, but the difference in this case is he had been a c**t. If he wants to have an accident he can do it behind me.

[Bri w]

The guy was being a d!ck.

However rule 168...

[rotax81]

if you didnt give him the V to start with it would have been ok.
i just ignore the tossers ;)

you did the right thing tho.

[barwel1992]

me been a juvenile i would have had the throttle to the stop on the bike, in a car i would just slow down (because the car i would have at my age would have about .5bhp ..)

[Milky Bar Kid]

I think you did the right thing by just ignoring him to be honest. His time will come!

[yawny]

A similar thing happened to me a few years ago, and again, the other car was a 4x4.

I get the distinct impression that many incompetent or aggressive drivers have no idea why they have so many accidents or near misses, so they buy large vehicles for protection from other road users.

(Aside: note my use of the word "many" which makes it clear that I'm not slating all 4x4 drivers!)

In this case, I was obeying the change of speed limit from 40 to 60 and the Land Rover that had been sitting impatiently behind me decided this would be a good opportunity to overtake.

In the dark.

In the rain.

With a bend at the bottom of the hill...

... and now there's a car coming around the bend ahead of us, and the 4x4 is only just level with me and I realise that he's not going to pull back because he sees it as defeat and he keeps pushing forward and I brake to allow him to pull in front.

He pulls in front of me and the oncoming vehicle goes past, but the road is very wet and the 4x4 skids and spins back over the other side other road and into a stone wall.

The driver was unhurt and got out of the car. His mate had been in the car behind and they were both making out that I had accelerated deliberately to block him, even though the speed limit signs are clearly visible along that stretch of road.

I got a visit from the police later that night but both they and the 4x4's insurance company agreed that it was the other driver's own stupid fault.

I call that poetic justice, and I hold on tight to that story (and this one (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=129010)) when 4x4 drivers use their size to intimidate and bully other road users; it has a calming effect, knowing that they will very likely get what they deserve.

nice......im surprised you stopped for him. I would have waved, shaked my head in dissaproval and carried on.........

Poetic justice indeed lol

[MattCollins]

i was on the m26 (a two lane motorway) on wednesday in my lorry doing 56 mph the lorry in front was going slightly slower, i decided to overtake as i could not see any cars in my rear view mirror, i must have taken 2 or 3 minutes to overtake him but in that time a que of cars had formed behined me! i pulled back in, the first car to pass was french, (driver on the left) no reaction... then came the toyota hi lux 4x4 with fists waving and rude hand gestors.. the third car an un marked police ford focus... now with blue and twos, the copper in the passanger seat smiled at me as they passed then pulled the 4x4 over.. made my day that did:plod::smt023

That got a chuckle. Had something similar happen years ago in the truck and it was a 4x4 Hilux. The difference was he swerved at me, my reaction was "you've got to be kidding me"... 3 trailers and 100t... Next car through were unmarked cops who promptly pulled him. Sometimes there is justice in this world.

I am not too shy about flicking someone the bird and telling them to nick off when they are climbing all over the back off me, but if they want to get into cutting in on me or brake slamming, I'll have nothing to do with it. They have already given me all I need for a little satisfaction. It has all been recorded.

[cb1000rsteve]

Had a not so nice experience with a white van man yesterday. I was doing 30mph in the wifes Zafira with the little one on board and i couldn't see his front number plate he was so close. So i jumped on the brakes. He decided to follow me home but didn't turn into my last turn as it states its a dead end on the sign. He obviously bottled it. I was proper worked up by then though. Had the adrenalin shakes LOL. I do tend to get worked up about bad driving that concerns me as i tend to drive slow and careful (replace with granny) when transpoting my precious cargo.
in the Op's situation i'd just of ignored it. You see it all the time. If you never flicked V's etc he would of carried on in his own little world. Peopel will always rush. It just puts a smile on my face when down the road you see the idiot parked in a wall etc.
I was in the works 4x4 when we had all the snow. Some idiot overtook me in a Focus. 2 roundabouts on he was in a ditch. He was waving for me to stop so i did just incase. He asked if i could tow him out. I said no as i was on a call out (lied) and then questioned his driving ability and why he thought a family focus could drive quicker and safer on snow than a 4x4??? Numpty

[MattCollins]

Only got as far as the second line of your post. Why did you jump on the brakes? Seems a silly thing to do - about as idiotic as the idiot behind you. No sympathy.

[-Ralph-]

i was on the m26 (a two lane motorway) on wednesday in my lorry doing 56 mph the lorry in front was going slightly slower, i decided to overtake as i could not see any cars in my rear view mirror, i must have taken 2 or 3 minutes to overtake him but in that time a que of cars had formed behined me! i pulled back in, the first car to pass was french, (driver on the left) no reaction... then came the toyota hi lux 4x4 with fists waving and rude hand gestors.. the third car an un marked police ford focus... now with blue and twos, the copper in the passanger seat smiled at me as they passed then pulled the 4x4 over.. made my day that did:plod::smt023

That got a chuckle. Had something similar happen years ago in the truck and it was a 4x4 Hilux.

You don't overtake on dual carriageway sections of A roads though do you though? When a queue of cars has been waiting patiently behind you for 10 miles on a single carriageway, which then takes you the whole length of the dual carriageway, and at the end of it you are in front of the other truck going 1mph faster, whilst the queue of cars are now stuck behind him for the next 10 miles. ;-)

I'm kidding, but in all seriousness, whilst you two may be one of the good guys when it comes to truckers (and Matt I don't know how applicable this is down under, it's based on what happens on here with a lot of 56mph restricted trucks on the road), it is easy to understand why people get p'eed off on two lane roads, when a truck takes a few minutes to get past.

Let's do the maths, 56mph is 25 metres per second. If it took you 3 minutes to gain lets say 30 metres on the other truck. You were going 10 metres per minute faster than him. So you were going about 0.37 mph faster. So over a 3 hour non stop journey overtaking that other truck will get you just over a mile ahead, or under 2 minutes difference in your arrival time. If you were both doing the same journey, and you overtook right at the beginning after joining the motorway, and you got caught at a red traffic light between the motorway and your destination depot for two minutes, the other truck would catch you, and you'd arrive together.

I'm not having a personal go at you mate, believe me I'm really not. I have done Birmingham to Scotland and back in a 56mph 7.5 tonner just recently, it bored and frustrated the hell out of me. I'll be doing Leeds to Ashbourne in a few weeks for a female friend who does not have the confidence to rent and drive something that size, and I'll be moving house myself again in a couple of months time. I can count the number of times I've driven a truck on one hand, but I'm not totally oblivious to the concept.

I just think that if more truckers were exposed to these kind of mathematics they'd overtake each other less, because especially on a dual carriageway or two lane motorway it does **** people off.

Now this post isn't going to stop all that, and doesn't excuse the guy in the Hilux, the police were right to pull him. Car and van drivers have to accept that trucks will overtake each other, probably because the driver doesn't understand those mathematics and how futile an exercise it really is, so people need to calm themselves and be patient. Waving fists at you won't help.

I fully sympathise when you come across Luton boxes fighting wind resistance and a hill at 45mph using an engine that wasn't powerful enough in a normal van, or when you get grannies doing 45mph in their VW Polo, but to me the police should be stopping them, and telling them to take an alternative A road route.

There was a journey time study done on the M42/A42, a two lane motorway from Tamworth up towards East Midlands airport, where trucks weren't allowed in lane 1, made a huge difference to the average journey time on that stretch of road.

If there is less than 2 mph difference between you and the truck in front, just back off a bit and follow behind him if you are on a two lane road.

[MattCollins]

Ralph,

The trucks are entitled to be on the road as much as you are. To have it differently is discriminating against another road user and one that keeps your supermarket and bike shop shelves stocked I might add. I don't think that you really want to go down that road.

Seeing as you're into calculations here's one for you based on the higher speed limit (106kph on the governor) and longer length of trucks. 52m truck overtaking another of equal length. I need 4kph (say 1m/s) over the other guy to get past reasonably, starting from 20m behind and the length of my vehicle for safe merge distance (unless the other guy indicates otherwise). I am hanging out there for ~2min and will travel 3.5km. The guy behind me, getting all flustered because he has been held up has lost... wait for it...132m and a total of 4.4s of his life if he had been travelling at a legal speed. You'd loose about 24s of your life on a worst case legal speed, but I reckon it'd be less than half of that on average.
Another calculation - 10mi down a motorway at 60mph = 10min. Same 10mi at 50mph = 12min. Hardly worth getting upset over.

Trucks are the least of my problems on the road. I have had near misses with trucks, but they are the best of all road users. I am usually yacking with them on UHF40 as I approach them and they'll give me the go ahead when it is clear to go, I'll have a peek and go and maybe pass slow to give him a tyre check on the way through. As a rule they are a professional lot - the industry has weeded out most of the cowboys.

BTW, I am not a truck driver. I did a year behind the wheel in the early '90's clocking up 3000 hours and since then average about 50hrs pa. No time to get bored keeping the behemoth on the road.

[-Ralph-]

Ralph,

The trucks are entitled to be on the road as much as you are. To have it differently is discriminating against another road user and one that keeps your supermarket and bike shop shelves stocked I might add. I don't think that you really want to go down that road.

Seeing as you're into calculations here's one for you based on the higher speed limit (106kph on the governor) and longer length of trucks. 52m truck overtaking another of equal length. I need 4kph (say 1m/s) over the other guy to get past reasonably, starting from 20m behind and the length of my vehicle for safe merge distance (unless the other guy indicates otherwise). I am hanging out there for ~2min and will travel 3.5km. The guy behind me, getting all flustered because he has been held up has lost... wait for it...132m and a total of 4.4s of his life if he had been travelling at a legal speed. You'd loose about 24s of your life on a worst case legal speed, but I reckon it'd be less than half of that on average.
Another calculation - 10mi down a motorway at 60mph = 10min. Same 10mi at 50mph = 12min. Hardly worth getting upset over.

Nobody suggested I got upset over it, nor did I discriminate against anybody. It never ceases to amaze me how people can interpret things, when they don't like what it is they are reading. I'm just saying that you can see why people might get upset over it. I have no issue with trucks on the road and I have no issue with trucks overtaking, if that overtake is worth doing for the driver, ie: it'll save him 10 minutes not one or two.

The difference between my calculations and yours is that for the restricted truck the time it takes for the journey is pretty much fixed, so long as the road is flowing well at above the trucks restricted speed and being able to go 1/2 a mph faster because your overtaking every other truck in your way only gains you minutes.

However in your calculations youve just concluded correctly that the same over take held up the drivers behind by about 1/2 minute if he was doing the speed limit. The difference is for the driver behind his journey time is not just impacted by one overtake. If he comes across 30 such overtaking trucks in his journey, as you could quite easily on a lot of the longer stretches of two lane motorway, it's no longer a 1/2 minute delay, it adds up into a 15 minute delay. That's assuming that he can get straight back up to the speed limit and stay there, but the overtaking trucks create congestion for a mile behind them during a 3 minute overtake, and a miles worth queue of cars, never gets back up to much more than 5 mph more than the speed of the restricted truck, before the next one pulls out. So the reality is it can lower your average speed altogether and costs lots of drivers much more than 15 minutes, in order to save one truck driver, less than two minutes. This is further illustrated by your calculation of 2 mins per 10 miles, lets go back to our 3 hour journey to keep the maths simple, usually that's about 150 miles in the UK for a car driver. Reducing the flow speed of a motorway by 10mph has cost every driver 30 minutes!

I will reiterate what I put in my original post, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH TRUCKS OR TRUCK DRIVERS. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH TRUCKS TAKING 30 OR 40 SECONDS TO OVERTAKE EACH OTHER. I have an issue with trucks taking 3 minutes to overtake each other, put a hill into that three minutes and it's not unusual to find one idiot taking 10 minutes, because he won't give up. It has a major impact on motorway flow, extends journey times for everyone on that motorway, but provides a completely futile gain for one truck driver. It's not very fair is it!

[cb1000rsteve]

Why did you jump on the brakes?
wrong choice of words on my part. Should of put 'pressed the pedal to illuminate lights'. In a vain attempt to get mister white van man off my rear bumper. Still he showed his true colours when he might of had to get out of the security of his cab to debate his and my driving.

[MattCollins]

Ralph, back up a bit, you have read way to much into my comments. Although I can see how it happened (my bad), I wasn't insinuating anything. None of it was meant to be aimed at you the way you think.

BTW, there is a solution if it is all so bad. Raise the limit on trucks to 65mph.

[MattCollins]

Why did you jump on the brakes?
wrong choice of words on my part. Should of put 'pressed the pedal to illuminate lights'. In a vain attempt to get mister white van man off my rear bumper. Still he showed his true colours when he might of had to get out of the security of his cab to debate his and my driving.

Aha, that's better. Back with it now. :) :thumbsup:

[cb1000rsteve]

It just infuriates me when people tail gate. got in trouble with the police a few years back for grabbing a kid out of his supped up saxo for doing it to r lass. Unfortunately for me a copper was 3 cars back. Got off with a caution plus the bobby had a word with the yoof. i wasn't gonna hit him just shake and shout at him to see if any sense would go in. i've calmed down a lot since then but i still find it hard not to react.

[Bri w]

I used to chomp at the truckers that take miles to overtake but after changing jobs to one that sees me doing 40k a year in the car it no longer bothers me.

I have done the maths, and so I lose 30 mins on a long journey. So what. I leave in plenty of time to get where I want to go, and I get there when I get there. I enjoy driving, and the journey, and the radio, and my own company. But more importantly to me I enjoy the peace. How often in the rat race do we get a couple of hours peace?

Live, and let live.

As for the idiots, let them get ahead out in front where you can see them better and avoid them easier.

[2hys]

You don't overtake on dual carriageway sections of A roads though do you though? When a queue of cars has been waiting patiently behind you for 10 miles on a single carriageway, which then takes you the whole length of the dual carriageway, and at the end of it you are in front of the other truck going 1mph faster, whilst the queue of cars are now stuck behind him for the next 10 miles. ;-)

I'm kidding, but in all seriousness, whilst you two may be one of the good guys when it comes to truckers (and Matt I don't know how applicable this is down under, it's based on what happens on here with a lot of 56mph restricted trucks on the road), it is easy to understand why people get p'eed off on two lane roads, when a truck takes a few minutes to get past.

Let's do the maths, 56mph is 25 metres per second. If it took you 3 minutes to gain lets say 30 metres on the other truck. You were going 10 metres per minute faster than him. So you were going about 0.37 mph faster. So over a 3 hour non stop journey overtaking that other truck will get you just over a mile ahead, or under 2 minutes difference in your arrival time. If you were both doing the same journey, and you overtook right at the beginning after joining the motorway, and you got caught at a red traffic light between the motorway and your destination depot for two minutes, the other truck would catch you, and you'd arrive together.

I'm not having a personal go at you mate, believe me I'm really not. I have done Birmingham to Scotland and back in a 56mph 7.5 tonner just recently, it bored and frustrated the hell out of me. I'll be doing Leeds to Ashbourne in a few weeks for a female friend who does not have the confidence to rent and drive something that size, and I'll be moving house myself again in a couple of months time. I can count the number of times I've driven a truck on one hand, but I'm not totally oblivious to the concept.

I just think that if more truckers were exposed to these kind of mathematics they'd overtake each other less, because especially on a dual carriageway or two lane motorway it does **** people off.

Now this post isn't going to stop all that, and doesn't excuse the guy in the Hilux, the police were right to pull him. Car and van drivers have to accept that trucks will overtake each other, probably because the driver doesn't understand those mathematics and how futile an exercise it really is, so people need to calm themselves and be patient. Waving fists at you won't help.

I fully sympathise when you come across Luton boxes fighting wind resistance and a hill at 45mph using an engine that wasn't powerful enough in a normal van, or when you get grannies doing 45mph in their VW Polo, but to me the police should be stopping them, and telling them to take an alternative A road route.

There was a journey time study done on the M42/A42, a two lane motorway from Tamworth up towards East Midlands airport, where trucks weren't allowed in lane 1, made a huge difference to the average journey time on that stretch of road.

If there is less than 2 mph difference between you and the truck in front, just back off a bit and follow behind him if you are on a two lane road.

yep see your point, but still dont care! lol, when im in the cage and a lorry decides to do a 1/2mph overtake then i just let them get on with it, lifes to short to get stressed!

[yorkie_chris]

Plenty of room through middle

[2hys]

Plenty of room through middle

you must have some huge ball locks or a death wish cos i sure as hell would go down the middle of two overtaking lorrys:smt119 lol

[-Ralph-]

you must have some huge ball locks or a death wish cos i sure as hell would go down the middle of two overtaking lorrys:smt119 lol

Depends whether one of the drivers is gonna put the squeeze on you half way through as has happened to me whilst filtering!

I have also gone between 56mph trucks once or twice in my riding career, but yes, it is a bit suicidal TBH! Has to be a bit of a stupid thrill moment! Do it so quick there isn't time for anything to change before you get through (or before the driver sees you in the mirror and gets any funny ideas) :)