oil burner update

[Bluefish]

As you may be aware, my Triumph sprint st 1050 has beeen using oil, it has been back to the dealers not a triumph dealer three times now, it does not produce smoke when running, the first time they changed the oil filters and spark plugs, second time compression test= all ok, strip head off diagnose valve stem seals so change these i get the bike back do 167 miles two up and have to put 1/2 ltr of oil in, back it goes for the third time, one of the managers takes it out does aprox 100 miles comes back phones me and says it has used no oil, but can we do the same tommorow, fire away says i, this was yesterday and they were meant to get back to me last night, no phone call, left it a few hours today phone them up err we are still checking it we will call you back, suspiciouse methinks, couple of hours later he phones back and said it had used 400 milli ltr on the last 100 miles, yahoo get in there says i, well i didn't really but that's what i thought lol.
Any how to cut a medium story short, he said they were getting a bandit 1250 in soon with full luggage and would i swap to that, bearing in mind i had test ridden one i said i wanted either another sprint or my money back so to speak, they don't have a sprint in stock at the moment, so either they have to buy one from some where or they pay off the finance on the sprint and i walk away, as the trade in price on the sv was the ammount needed to clear the finance on it, any input on this would be appreciated, cheers andy.

[Dicky Ticker]

BFM--Have you spoken to Triumph direct,they are normally very helpful in such circumstances[Not a dealer--the factory]

[davepreston]

id say
no ,thanks for the offer but i wanted a sprint not a bandit otherwise i would have bought one
so i leave the ball in your court either you get me a sprint from somewhere same or younger year with same or lower mileage (from when i origanly bought it) or you give me my money back eg whatever the part ex was for the sv in my hand and you pay off/take over the fianance so its not against my name, id say 3 weeks is a fair time for you to find a new sprint or do the cash option
thanks
hth

[Bluefish]

BFM--Have you spoken to Triumph direct,they are normally very helpful in such circumstances[Not a dealer--the factory]

Not me but the dealer has a couple of times, and basically they are both flumoxed as they say there should be plumes of smoke coming out the back as it is using so much oil, but there is nothing out the back smoke wise, they took the bike to a Triumph dealer and put it on the diagnostic machine and every thing checked out ok, it has been compression tested twice again as near as damit perfect results, they have conceded defeat and as we all know that is the thing they least like to do, so what ever happens it looks like i will not be on that particular bike.

[yorkie_chris]

Well the compression rings must be fine, so it's either they've not taken the burr off the valve stems right and ripped the new seals or it's the oil rings and they misdiagnosed it in first place.

[Bluefish]

chris, the manager said even if we strip it right down and change the rings then there is no guarantee that all will be well, well not if as you say and they messed up fitting the valve seals, so i assume the only way to be 100% sure would be to change all the rings and seals = expensive, bummer, will find out tommorow what there offer is.

[gettin2dizzy]

Mine chucks oil through the crank breather. I can lose that amount too and not see any burn. You looked in the airbox?

[Bluefish]

Anybody know what i am entitled to if they don't come back with a replacement bike that i am happy with, i guess the deposit i paid plus the extra for warranty and the payments i have made on the sprint so far, good will gesture from them? lol. The mrs recons that they will come back with, we will find you another bike, guess i will find out soon, bloody pain in the **** this is though. :smt013

[Bluefish]

Mine chucks oil through the crank breather. I can lose that amount too and not see any burn. You looked in the airbox?

Yup, clean as a whistle.

[Specialone]

Tbh mate, id want a sprint of similar age , miles and condition otherwise money back.
You aint got what you paid for so not fit for purpose, they cant really argue at all.

Hope it comes to a successful outcome for you.

[SVGrandad]

Well the compression rings must be fine, so it's either they've not taken the burr off the valve stems right and ripped the new seals or it's the oil rings and they misdiagnosed it in first place.
Chris Compression rings can wear thin ie rattle up and down the piston ring groove, yet still give good compression readings. In this condition they can pump oil round the back of the ring and into the combustion chamber. Once the engine is hot, the oil will burn without showing smoke in the exhaust, although I would expect to see some smoke on a cold start.

The above scenario happened on an engoine of mine and was cured by new rings - the ring grooves had not worn, just the rings.

Hope the above useful.

[yorkie_chris]

Out of curiosity what mileage was that at?

[SVGrandad]

Out of curiosity what mileage was that at?
Not a bike engine, but obviously high and unknown mileage. Evidence of a previous rebuild before I bought it. Sorry cannot be more specific

[ThEGr33k]

Get a falco :p

Ok but seriously, if you would like a bandit then go for it. If you want a sprint then see what you can get or walk away if that's an option.

Seems a fair few Trump engines have similar issues to the old school British bikes... though you could see where the oil went out of those (on the floor). ha. A real shame!

[AndyBrad]

Yea to be honest this is quite worrying as theres a lot of these tripples going pear shaped at the mo (not fact just based on biased people on forums i know) but it appears that way. Shame as i wouldnt mind one...

[G]

All of this is what stopped me buying a 675 :(

Sorry to hear of your woes... triumph need to get their act together as they are loosing reputation and customers.

[ophic]

Chris Compression rings can wear thin ie rattle up and down the piston ring groove, yet still give good compression readings. In this condition they can pump oil round the back of the ring and into the combustion chamber. Once the engine is hot, the oil will burn without showing smoke in the exhaust, although I would expect to see some smoke on a cold start.
It does smoke a bit from cold - not an awful lot though. Also puts out some emissions at the top of the rev range. Nothing visible from the exhaust at mid revs whilst warm - although this was all done at a standstill, so I didn't see it run under load.

Still, diagnosis isn't BFM's worry. It's a case of fix it or money back, or reasonable replacement if he's happy with that.

[AndyBrad]

Tbh i would be looking for a guarantee for work completed, same cash as i had paid or a new sprint. I wouldnt take the bandit over a sprint but thats personal pref.

[gettin2dizzy]

I get ****e loads of black smoke at startup. No blue or white though :rolleyes:

[Dicky Ticker]

You get good and bad in every make of bike produced not just Triumph. When you read other forums there is always one slating a cerain model off,this forum being no exception.
To my mind the fault lies with the vendor for failing to provide goods fit for use and unwilling to compensate or strip and rebuild the engine.
I always ensure I have some sort of warranty for this sort of problem.
Basic engineering tells you that the oil is getting into the combustion chamber either from the top or bottom and I can't see that as an unsurmountable problem to repair,it just seems as if the vendor is unwilling.

[ThEGr33k]

To be fair though Dicky ticker, we are on a none Triumph forum and the amount of Triumph owners on here with problems seems proportionally high. Something I didnt realise was the case.

Its true what you say about it should be sorted, but then the same argument is that the fault shouldn't be there in the first place.

Take for example the SV, there are not many recurring issues that I can remember seeing...

[Bluefish]

Spoke to the boss today, he said they are pusuing two options 1, to strip the bike down again and change the piston rings etc and 2, they are ringing around dealers looking for another sprint for me, i should hear back in the morning but i could have a new bike in a few days time :p because i am not going for option 1, that would mean another 3 weeks in the workshop then it's only two weeks to AR and we are planning on nipping over to the continent for our hols straight after the AR and if there was to be any thing wrong with it again it would not give them time to get it sorted. So different sprint it will be, can't wait :santa:

[Dicky Ticker]

Hope it all gets sorted to your satisfaction matey.Perhaps you have just had a rogue bike. My one is the older 955i and nine years old,still looking good for its age with 42k on the clock,yes it uses a bit of oil but 2000mile Scotland trip 1/5 litre to top up to the full mark when I got home.Equates to about a pint in old money every 6000 miles when ridden hard.
How many miles on the Sprint when you bought it? did it have a full service history and have you tried to contact the previous owner to see if that was the reason he sold it?.

[andrewsmith]

BFM glad to hear the two stroke impersonating sprint is being dealt with.
In ur posistion i would take the replacement bike of a similar age and of a similar mileage to when you got it.

The dealer seems to be thinking this way as another strip down will be costing him a lot of money each time.
Expect your bike to reappear at Hinkley

[Bluefish]

DT, had 13,800 when i picked it up, fsh, nah not contacted the previouse owner they would only deny it, but they must have known.

[Bluefish]

Expect your bike to reappear at Hinkley

Yeah, i have no idea what they would do with this one, maybe offload it at auction maybe. Don't really care though but i need a bike soon, i can't be arsed going out on the bandit.

[andrewsmith]

Yeah, i have no idea what they would do with this one, maybe offload it at auction maybe. Don't really care though but i need a bike soon, i can't be arsed going out on the bandit.

Be interesting like, might be sold at auction as a damaged repairable cat D.

the bandit is a completely different bike a big nakid converted to a tourer still good, been proven as a capable 1200 in touring mode

[Bluefish]

Tues afternoon will be going in to look at a 08 sprint in graphite they are aquiring for me, will cost me an extra £500 payable in two installments, i don't think thats too bad as the bike is worth at least a grand more than my current one :D

[Specialone]

Tues afternoon will be going in to look at a 08 sprint in graphite they are aquiring for me, will cost me an extra £500 payable in two installments, i don't think thats too bad as the bike is worth at least a grand more than my current one :D

Cool, that dont seem bad for a 2 year newer bike, graphite looks good as well, hope it works out.

Phil

[Dicky Ticker]

Just make sure it has a warranty then go and thrash the nuts off it to see if any faults appear
Does Triumph do an extended warranty as it still should be under the full Triumph warranty at two years old?[Possibly]

[orose]

Factory warranty is 2 years, so it will just be exiting from that - will be worth making sure the dealer supplies something to match the backup of that.

Engine number 2 on mine had the oil rings installed incorrectly (upside down, apparantly) which caused it to drink oil like you describe - not quite as heavily, but it did show on putting paper behind the exhaust output. Not that it matters of course, now you're getting a replacement bike ;)

[Milky Bar Kid]

Hmmmm....sounds like it was a Friday bike!!

[dizzyblonde]

Good job it ain't Italian then, every bikes a Friday bike ;-)

[gettin2dizzy]

it did show on putting paper behind the exhaust output. Not that it matters of course, now you're getting a replacement bike ;)

Spots of oil?

[orose]

Left an oily deposit, at any rate - was burning it like a good one.

[Bluefish]

Good job it ain't Italian then, every bikes a Friday bike ;-)


Lol

[injury_ian]

All of this is what stopped me buying a 675 :(

Sorry to hear of your woes... triumph need to get their act together as they are loosing reputation and customers.

My Street is pretty good, i dont hang about doing 10k a year, never had to top it up between the 6K services yet....

[andrewsmith]

Good job it ain't Italian then, every bikes a Friday bike ;-)

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/ducati_haga_2006_fuocofiamme.jpg

Must be haga and stoner's excusse

[ThEGr33k]

Good job it ain't Italian then, every bikes a Friday bike ;-)

Speak for your own ;)

Only problems I've had are self induced. :rolleyes:

http://static.blogo.it/motoblog/ducati_haga_2006_fuocofiamme.jpg

Must be haga and stoner's excusse

Notice Haga's bike is ok? Looks like jap bike that's in flames :p

[andrewsmith]

very true

[dizzyblonde]

Speak for your own ;)

Only problems I've had are self induced. :rolleyes:



I am exempt, as mine is a Jap in a expensive Italian suit;)
Believe me, them suits are expensive to replace!

[ThEGr33k]

Aye, and difficult to find :( Mine is a Austrian in a slightly less expensive Italian suit. :)

[Bluefish]

Well here she is, will pick her up on sat once they have checked her over and put a new rear tyre on her. will post better pics when i officially get her, but she is a minter, result. :p:p:p




http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu94/andysv/sprint%20st/IMG_06591.jpg

[andrewsmith]

1nice 1 bfm, Hope this 1 is a bit better

[AndyBrad]

has that got a different seat to the one matt has?

[Bluefish]

Gel seat baby

[Bluefish]

1nice 1 bfm, Hope this 1 is a bit better

Haha, checked the inside of the pipes, shiny, shiny lol

[gettin2dizzy]

Looks lovely :) Just get some RAC cover now ;)

[Specialone]

I likey :p
Fitted my gel seat last week, took it for a 100 mile spin on saturday, feels nice albeit the stock was fine as well.

Hope this one works out for ya mate :p

[Bluefish]

I likey :p
Fitted my gel seat last week, took it for a 100 mile spin on saturday, feels nice albeit the stock was fine as well.

Hope this one works out for ya mate :p

Thanks mate, didn't have a problem with the standard seat, but if it has a gel seat fitted who am i to complain, coming from an sv even the stock seat is pure luxury :D

[Specialone]

Thanks mate, didn't have a problem with the standard seat, but if it has a gel seat fitted who am i to complain, coming from an sv even the stock seat is pure luxury :D


Dont i know it, never forget when i got back on my sv after test riding the sprint for a whole day, it made my mind up straight away looking back, it was just a slab of concrete and you was instantly made aware why the sv is regarded as a budget machine, chalk and cheese tbh.

I loved my sv but love the sprint more and they through the gel seat on with mine as well to sweeten the deal along with heated grips.

[ThEGr33k]

I find hard seats better tbh, means less chance of cramp in the buttock... Each to their own I guess on such things.

Good to hear its all sorted and I hope the new one is better put together!!! :)

[Girth]

I find hard seats better tbh, means less chance of cramp in the buttock... Each to their own I guess on such things.

Good to hear its all sorted and I hope the new one is better put together!!! :)


So your saying you like it hard in the rear? :smt008

[andrewsmith]

So your saying you like it hard in the rear? :smt008

There's always one!!! :smt037