One of the reasons I cant afford a bike this year...

[454697819]

Whilst I was happy to move out to the sticks, however an in experienced buyer and a misleading mortgage survey meant I bought a house with no real proper drainage... what goes out of the house as waste water goes into a cess pit which I have to have emptied on a monthly basis at £90 a hit..

No mains drainage locally, and as such I need to install a package treatment plant which treats the effluent through natural aeration and discharges it at a effluent level safe for water courses, i.e my ditch at the back of the garden..
Payback is about 4 years but it means we can use as much water as we like without filling up a tank...

I am uploading pics because its about to get a whole lot fun as this weekend I have a digger and dumper turning up.. and we all like big toys, later in the week 10 tonnes of top soil... Im doing it myself with the help of my dad who is a Anglia approved plumber and my brother..

any way, not a lot to see for now but ill update as time goes on..


The drain layout..
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Back towards the house..

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New external Power

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The tank arriving on a sodding articulated lorry...

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The Tank off the Lorry... stands 2.3m tall.. only weighs 135kg...

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That's it for now... not the way I really want to spend a week of work doing but its still it needs doing and I'm not paying anyone else to do it...
:)

[punyXpress]

Doesn't look as nice as your Tuono
There, that's made you feel better already.;)

[Rog]

Have you factered in the testing you will need to get done and are you installing a testing chamber between the outfall and the treatment plant? Whos sorting out your license to discharge and these are usually a yerly fee based on test results.

Costs would be initial install, yearly testing, and yearly license to discharge renewal.

[Owenski]

you need permission from the ea to discharge into that watercourse mate. Have you got all this sort of stuff in place or are you hoping they wont notice.
Have you ensured self cleansing velocity on your pipe work? Last thing you want is it back falling wc water into the PTA.
I'm a civil engineer if yamwant anyone to scan over yours plans bud.

[454697819]

thanks guys,

the permission to discharge now doesn't apply to discharges under 2m3 a day, we have an exemption to discharge certificate from the Environment Agency (take the place of the old PTD) This is in place permanently with no renewal required unless volume increases above 2m3, which it wont even if 6 people lived int he house discharging the full 150l a day allowance.

No annual testing is required, however annual maintenance is required to ensure the plant is working properly, this includes air pump servicing.

I don't need a sampling chamber as the discharge point is less than 5m from the exit from the tank and the pipe will be in a header wall allowing a container to be offered up for collection.

All levels will be self cleansing velocity, except the final discharge which we can install @ 1:200 I have done a small amount of civil's drainage before and its all being installed to the building regs and my dad is an Anglia approved plumber. (means he can work on east anglia water mains etc etc)

Thanks for the input :-)

[gettin2dizzy]

thanks guys,

the permission to discharge now doesn't apply to discharges under 2m3 a day, we have an exemption to discharge certificate from the Environment Agency (take the place of the old PTD) This is in place permanently with no renewal required unless volume increases above 2m3, which it wont even if 6 people lived int he house discharging the full 150l a day allowance.

No annual testing is required, however annual maintenance is required to ensure the plant is working properly, this includes air pump servicing.

I don't need a sampling chamber as the discharge point is less than 5m from the exit from the tank and the pipe will be in a header wall allowing a container to be offered up for collection.

All levels will be self cleansing velocity, except the final discharge which we can install @ 1:200 I have done a small amount of civil's drainage before and its all being installed to the building regs and my dad is an Anglia approved plumber. (means he can work on east anglia water mains etc etc)

Thanks for the input :-)
:lol:

You been reading up on this by any chance? ;)

[dizzyblonde]

Hmmmm why has someone put a giant gnomes hat on your lawn?

[454697819]

Hmmmm why has someone put a giant gnomes hat on your lawn?

to pooh in?

Next Question?

[454697819]

:lol:

You been reading up on this by any chance? ;)

Yeah

well as indicated by the other guys questions, if I get it wrong I can end up in trouble..!

[abdul.aziz]

Sounds like a nightmare.

Hope the work gets wrapped up without delays- on time and on budget.

[G]

Sounds like fun, you just need a wind turbine and borehole and you have your selfsufficient home.

[maviczap]

Be careful not to sight it near any shipping lanes, as its a dead ringer for a starboard hand bouy :p

Questions could be asked if this berthed on your door step ;)

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[454697819]

Be careful not to sight it near any shipping lanes, as its a dead ringer for a starboard hand bouy :p

Questions could be asked if this berthed on your door step ;)

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its not likley.. the tank goes the other way up in the ground!

[454697819]

Sounds like fun, you just need a wind turbine and borehole and you have your selfsufficient home.

grey water recycling on its way.. chickens veg patch. wind turbine and solat panels if its economic...:-)

[maviczap]

its not likley.. the tank goes the other way up in the ground!

Get it in the ground quick then :)

[Rog]

1:200 is quite shallow gradient, ideally you want to be acheiving at least 0.7m/s velocity to achieve self cleansing rates.

if you pardon the pun if you can tell me the length of you pipe diameter and invert both ends I can tell you your optimum gradient for self cleansing.


I would still advise at least biyearly testing as you dont want the EA man come knocking on your door with a load of dead fish in his hands.

[Razor]

damn hippies...


srsly tho, good luck with the install

[maviczap]

I would still advise at least biyearly testing as you dont want the EA man come knocking on your door with a load of dead fish in his hands.

Yes and I for one wouldn't be happy :smt072
The river in your neck of the woods, used to be free flowing, until Anglian water messed about with it.

Where it used to be quite deep and full of life, its now a shadow of its former self. The sewage works in Needham & Stowmarket, plus the pumping station filling Alton water are all to blame.

Not you fault, sorry for the divert from your poo tank :p

[454697819]

the testing is something I may well do but I have no need or obligation to, the ditch in my garden only runs to the fields so no worries about killing fish..

the entire village is full of these tanks..

Rog.. Cheers for the assistance but the 1:200 is the most it will be, it will more likley be 1:100 and its only the treated effluent waste water so not likely to be carrying any debris...

Most other pipework will be between 1:40 & 1:60..

the digger and dumper arrive tomorrow! woo hoo!

[Owenski]

1:60 is minimum requirement according to 6th edition for any foul pipe serving less than 5 plots so sounds like you've got it all covered. That shallow grade on the outfall is a bit poor, maybe fit a ridding eye so you can jet a hose pipe down it before each summer to move off any stagnant crap. 5m ain't much of a length to the wc but it's long enough for it to stink up in weather like this.

Rest of the stuff you sound to have covered which is impressive for someone doing it privately. Good work.

Coincidently if you can upside the outfall pipe to a 300mm dia at 1:200 you'll get the 1l/s classicification for self cleansing. If ya can't do the 300 then I'd defo fit a ridding eye/ screw top access to the head of the pipe nearest the outfall on the ptw just to flush it out as said above.

[454697819]

1:60 is minimum requirement according to 6th edition for any foul pipe serving less than 5 plots so sounds like you've got it all covered. That shallow grade on the outfall is a bit poor, maybe fit a ridding eye so you can jet a hose pipe down it before each summer to move off any stagnant crap. 5m ain't much of a length to the wc but it's long enough for it to stink up in weather like this.

Rest of the stuff you sound to have covered which is impressive for someone doing it privately. Good work.

Coincidently if you can upside the outfall pipe to a 300mm dia at 1:200 you'll get the 1l/s classicification for self cleansing. If ya can't do the 300 then I'd defo fit a ridding eye/ screw top access to the head of the pipe nearest the outfall on the ptw just to flush it out as said above.


Cheers mate

as a design coordinator im used to making sure stuff is up to speed before it hits site ..

The outfall pipe only discharges treated water, no solids at all 1:200 is the worst it will be, its more likely to be 1:100, which should be fine for water.. only..

Digger & dumper tonight.. lets see if I can drive one eh?

[Seggons]

Digger & dumper tonight.. lets see if I can drive one eh?

wB3lGxIhtCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB3lGxIhtCw

:lol:

[punyXpress]

Just dig a little bit deeper & you've got your own oil/gas well.
You'll never know a cold winter again.
Ask BP for advice on this one though.

[454697819]

well the work was completed in plenty of time on my week off, I really must do more exciting things with my time, started on the Saturday and by Sunday evening the tank was on and "working"

Monday I back filled the trenches, Tuesday I finished that and scraped back the area for top soil, Wednesday 10 tonnes of top soil arrived and I spread that all out, Thursday I was out all day doing something more intersting and Friday I Laid turf... Saturday was ruined by the realisation that we had two moles delivered with the top soil, finally 2 weeks later they are both "gone".

Any way, digger was easy peasy, digging a 2.5m hole wasn't, I hope this is the only time I ever have to do this but its done now and doesn't need doing again for 30 years, way after we will have sold it on....

The failings were simple, day one I went through the water pipe... the track fell off the digger and I fell in a trench swinging the tank into the hole.. that asside we all survived. despite elf and safety.


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Me laying turf in 30degree heat - thank goodness, no hosepipe ban here!!

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the damage done by the moles...I nearly cried

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Me and my Man toy... :-)

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All in all job well done :smt035

[Quiff Wichard]

ya big kid !

[maviczap]

You were lucky, first year I can recall for ages that we've had no threat of a hosepipe baqn, despite it being so dry, with no rain for ages.

Was all that melt water from the snow in winter that they saved.

Last time I passed Alton water it was still quite full.

Good work with laying that turf in 30 deg heat !

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