Scottoiler position

[badsaboy]

My bike came with an oiler fitted. the nozzel where the oil drips on to the chain is positioned above the front sprocket. My concern is the amount of oil that seems to then cover the gear leaver, engine, kickstand. all these areas are just black with oil.

Where is your dripper(;))? Is it hard to move?
Cheers
Justin

[Jordy]

I bought the bike with one fitted, it runs from under the seat down to behind the heel plate and then it's cable tied around the back of the swingarm and the nozzle droops down where the sprocket starts and ends just above the chain mid point along the sprocket. Much like this:

http://gsri.info/forumold/images/Mechanics/Chain_50000_3.jpg

I don't trust it, it looks like a majority would miss. So I lube the chain myself.

[badsaboy]

doest it cover the sides of your back tyre?

[boot]

If it covers the side of the back tyre, the flow rate is too high.

[Viney]

My bike came with an oiler fitted. the nozzel where the oil drips on to the chain is positioned above the front sprocket. My concern is the amount of oil that seems to then cover the gear leaver, engine, kickstand. all these areas are just black with oil.

Where is your dripper(;))? Is it hard to move?
Cheers
Justin
OOo, Surrey Quays, i hurtle through your manor twice a day :)

Oil will build up over time in certain areas when using a Scotoiler unless you are a clean freak. It could also mean that the flow is turned up too high. 2-3 drips a minute is more than adequate because as the vaccum increases, so does the flow rate when riding etc.

[badsaboy]

wait wait wait. We difine london by the underground map. whatever your closest station is..... thats were you live. Actually im closer to deptford so no poshness!!!!!lol.

I was just wondering if i should move mine to the rear instead of having it on the front?

[badsaboy]

vinnie are you part of any org club?

[boot]

Deffo, the chain only drives the rear wheel. :)

All destructions I've read for scottoiler recommend the rear sprocket.

[badsaboy]

thanks boot!!!

[philbut]

You want it at approximatly the 6 o clock position about 2mm above the chain on the rear sprocket. The photo posted by Jordy is about spot on. The oiler works by centrapetal force flinging the oil off the sprocket onto the chain, and capilary action ensures the other side also gets oiled. You are trying to oil the links and pins, not the chain body remember.

[Rocket]

as the vaccum increases, so does the flow rate when riding etc.

Not true. On a vacuum operated ScottOiler once you have vacuum it opens the valve in the reservoir and allows gravity to dispense oil. The flow rate is controlled by the setting on the reservoir, the oil viscosity and the height difference between the reservoir and end of the dispenser.

You could get my Mrs to suck on the end of a Scottoiler and it still wouldn't flow any more oil ;)

[boot]

Temperature will also affect viscosity - so depending on placement you may need to alter flow rate on reservoir at different times of the year. Some mount their reservoir under the seat or behind the near side rear plastics, this would be more susceptible to external temperatures than where I have mine mounted, which is behind the near side infill panel as there are 2 x unused M6 threads in the frame on the curvy. This area gets pretty warm due to the rear pot's exhaust.

[doser]

Temperature will also affect viscosity - so depending on placement you may need to alter flow rate on reservoir at different times of the year.

i'll say! i run at about '1' in the summer (20C-25C and above), but have to crank it up to 3-4 in winter (5-10C).

[badsaboy]

great help chaps.
Thanks
J

[punyXpress]

Mine was on the front sprocket, but moved it to rear at the lact housekeeping session. Will move it back when next working on it.
Scottoiler approved the front placing.

[badsaboy]

mmmmmm

[Joeskeppi]

Mine doesn't seem to drip at all unless I have it half way!

[MattCollins]

Justin, you can run them on the front without an excessive build up of crud, but it needs to be on the sprocket with correct flow rate same as the rear sprocket installation pictured above. That is how I run bikes that see any sort off road to save ripping bits off.

[badsaboy]

Mine has been set to drip onto the top run of the chain. This is obviously how the oil has been scattered everywhere. i will see if i can reposition it on the fron to where you suggested Matt.
Cheers for that!

[mep]

Download the installation guide from Scottoiler for your bike.

http://www.scottoiler.com/component/option,com_docman/Itemid,174/gid,650/task,cat_view/

The dispenser should be between 6 & 7 O'clock and a few mill from the sprocket with the dispensing hole facing out. The photo from Jordy looks good.

Never heard of one on the front sprocket, but there's always a first!

[Rocket]

No, no, no. The dispenser tube needs to lightly contact the sprocket otherwise the oil is blown away in the airstream. It's how the whole thing works by centrifuging the oil off the sprocket onto the chain.

[mep]

No, no, no. The dispenser tube needs to lightly contact the sprocket otherwise the oil is blown away in the airstream. It's how the whole thing works by centrifuging the oil off the sprocket onto the chain.

I meant a few mill from the chain, not the sprocket!

Thanks for your pick up on this. I must stop replying late at night!

[Aidan]

The dispenser tube needs to lightly contact the sprocket otherwise the oil is blown away in the airstream. It's how the whole thing works by centrifuging the oil off the sprocket onto the chain.

The dispensing nib on my scotoiler is under 1mm from the sprocket, but not touching. Its a thin plastic, surely it would just wear away?

[The Guru]

The dispensing nib on my scotoiler is under 1mm from the sprocket, but not touching. Its a thin plastic, surely it would just wear away?

It'll only wear away a tiny bit..

[Garstang Rider]

and don't worry about mucky back wheels, mines filthy but it doesn't get on the tyre!

[Sruffy]

I had issues with the positioning of the Scotoiler nib and tried a number of positions all with poor results until I connected it to the rear bobbins.

See pics below. This works fine and haven't had any issues

[maxinc]

Is there another way to route the tube without the cable ties? It may be that I'm obsessed with tidiness but having all those cable ties on the swing arm makes it look very amateurish.

[MattCollins]

You could try adhesive backed cable tidies from your local hardware. Alternatively if you do not mind running 3 or 4 self tappers (or better yet, Al rivets with zero steel content to reduce the chance of corrosion problems) into the swing arm you could use some of those little single screw saddles (wanting for a better description).

[doser]

Is there another way to route the tube without the cable ties? It may be that I'm obsessed with tidiness but having all those cable ties on the swing arm makes it look very amateurish.


have you done a search? i seem to recall someone running a very clean line along the bottom of the swingarm with the reservoir positioned somewhere 'internal'? there were photos...

or maybe you could just glue the delivery tube to the upper surface, run it on the backside of the swingarm (pretty close to the chain back there) glued in place as well, then you're good to go along the bottom. no zipties that way...

[danf1234]

I used a swingarm bobbin and the plate that comes with the kit.

[warrenhewitt10]

i used the big gray cable ties for mine, to be honest it bugged me at first but they are not something you would notice unless you are looking for them.

And the bobbin bracket i really couldnt get to fit without alot of bending, so i thought the other way would be easier :)

[danf1234]

Yeah the bracket is designed to be bent into shape.

[christopher]

Duct tape. Seriously. Black duct tape (http://www.duckbrand.com/Products/duck-tape/color-duck-tapes/color-duck-tape.aspx?IDH=394551) on the inside of the swingarm to affix the tube along the length of it (tube coming from near the front sprocket after being routed past the battery and into the rear pillion underseat storage area) then positioned to drip correctly.

In 12+ months of having it like this, I've had to redo it once because when cleaning the bike I took off some of the duct tape holding it on by mistake. Having ridden through some horrendous downpours both in the UK and abroad it's never become "unsticky" even if duct tape is only meant to be water resistant and not completely waterproof. Always carry duct tape (plus cable ties etc) with me, so could reaffix if it ever did come off.

[danf1234]

Duct tape. Seriously. Black duct tape (http://www.duckbrand.com/Products/duck-tape/color-duck-tapes/color-duck-tape.aspx?IDH=394551) on the inside of the swingarm to affix the tube along the length of it (tube coming from near the front sprocket after being routed past the battery and into the rear pillion underseat storage area) then positioned to drip correctly.

In 12+ months of having it like this, I've had to redo it once because when cleaning the bike I took off some of the duct tape holding it on by mistake. Having ridden through some horrendous downpours both in the UK and abroad it's never become "unsticky" even if duct tape is only meant to be water resistant and not completely waterproof. Always carry duct tape (plus cable ties etc) with me, so could reaffix if it ever did come off.

That is actually a really good idea, and one I had not thought of.

[christopher]

Here's mine...

A couple of pictures of the bottle under the seat.
Not bothering to show how I got the wire to the front of the bike to attach to the engine as that's the same on everyone's I'm guessing.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0001.jpg

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0002.jpg

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0003.jpg

From there it goes out of the pillion area and down towards the battery on the offside.
The bit I mean is at the top of the picture, ignore the tubing on the right of the picture, that's the extra bit of the tube that I didn't cut down to size so wrapped it around the pillion area.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0004.jpg

Then to the front of the battery and down underneath and pulled through to the nearside.
This is hidden in the end by the black covers under the seat when it's all put back together.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0005.jpg

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0006.jpg

Down the inside duct taped to the inside of the frame. Goes down to the middle of the front sprocket then is pulled inwards towards the centre of the bike where it attaches to the outside of the swingarm before finally being pulled inwards again to get it inside of the swingarm so it's hidden from view.
Removed the footpeg and gear lever to show this one. Remember to leave enough "slack" in the tubing to allow the swingarm to move freely with the suspension.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0007.jpg

Inside the swingarm for the next picture to follow along from the previous picture
Duct tape is great.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0008.jpg

The dispenser in place
After a long time spent cleaning the swingarm and frame so we have a decent surface to attach all this duct tape to it's finally finished and in place. Tweak position as necessary.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0009.jpg

One final picture (before I put the seat and little panels on) showing the footpeg and gear lever in place
All you can see of the installation is the little bit of tubing which snakes around the swingarm. I couldn't figure out a "cleaner" way without it getting too close for comfort to the chain etc. So am happy with this.

http://www.edg3.co.uk/photos/2010/09/09/0010.jpg

p.s. ignore the dirt, I like to ride my bike not clean it :D