View Full Version : Wishing for this: Suzuki SV-series 2011-2018
CSpronken
02-08-10, 07:17 PM
Any takers?
hongman
02-08-10, 07:22 PM
What the farrrrrrrk
DarrenSV650S
02-08-10, 07:24 PM
No way. Where did you get that? :eek:
barwel1992
02-08-10, 07:26 PM
if thats true, im nabbing me self some heads and pistons and every thing else that would turn mine in to a 700 :)
squirrel_hunter
02-08-10, 07:34 PM
Interesting. What is the documents provenance?
Interesting. What is the documents provenance?
Kin 'ell - it gets more like Antiques Roadshow everyday in here :rolleyes::D
Good question though ;)
squirrel_hunter
02-08-10, 07:40 PM
I had to google the definition to be sure. But don't tell anyone.
andrewsmith
02-08-10, 07:53 PM
if that is true yes please to the RR
I'd be shocked if this turns out to be anything more than a windup tbh...why post it without saying where you got it? Just teasing! :p
Jamesy D
02-08-10, 08:19 PM
Want.
If this isn't a windup, SV700RR for me please!
Although like wikipedia, please cite your sources. Suzuki would not want this information on the open web, the fact that nothing official has come out about this probably means this is all still meant to be secret... if it's true.
Mr Speirs
02-08-10, 08:27 PM
Nearly £9k for the RR!!! Must be special.
122bhp from a 750 V-twin - that's impressive. If it's real.
andrewsmith
02-08-10, 08:47 PM
bets what will be in next weeks MCN!!
DarrenSV650S
02-08-10, 08:48 PM
The sv1000 makes less bhp than that lol
andrewsmith
02-08-10, 08:52 PM
122brake is equivalent to the TL thous. edit: the S
phi-dan
02-08-10, 09:05 PM
Aluminium alloy oval tube trellis - it's gonna be a curvy :smt035
(if at all)
andrewsmith
02-08-10, 09:07 PM
we sure it ain't druid plans for his bike?
Jamesy D
02-08-10, 09:27 PM
Aluminium alloy oval tube trellis - it's gonna be a curvy
Well this just proves that the curvy is the superior bike if they are returning to it!
Spikenipple
02-08-10, 09:39 PM
Looks awesome! Source?
davepreston
02-08-10, 09:43 PM
my thou is still better
yet i may get one just for sh1ts and giggles :)
Sid Squid
02-08-10, 10:03 PM
Hmmmmmm...
Biker Biggles
02-08-10, 10:05 PM
Deafening silence from the OP.
This will probably be in MCN soon so we will know its LOB.
and it's not even april....
Nicky S
02-08-10, 10:51 PM
Aluminium alloy oval tube trellis - it's gonna be a curvy :smt035
(if at all)
Well this just proves that the curvy is the superior bike if they are returning to it!
curvyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :D
Looks awesome! Source?
please tell us the source becuase as many others have said its prob a windup.
also i hope it dont look anything like the gladius :smt011
this wasn't supposed to be leaked till April 1st.
ravingdavis
03-08-10, 12:26 AM
Just a few questions... I'm no expert so just wondering if a bike manufacturer would really gear an 83HP bike with exactly the same ratios as a 122HP bike. Also a naming convention like the one shown on those sheets would be a far departure from any Suzuki has used before... unlikely I would have thought. Finally that PDF was published 2 days ago using OpenOffice, where as all the Suzuki documents that I can find all use Macs.
if wishes were horses...
(when was the last time Suzuki actually listened to SV enthusiasts?!?! oh yah, never... they just got lucky in '99 and we've been living off that luck ever since...)
can i have a 750rr please Mr Clause if been a really good boy ;-)
GrahamB
03-08-10, 07:58 AM
:rolleyes:
Same horsepower as a Duc 749R? Without new cases that add 5kg to the weight?
And when did the SV ever have an alloy oval-tube trellis frame? Last time I looked, both series had cast side pieces shaped to look like something fancier.
Unfortunately, the SFV is the real development direction: cheaper beginner bike. Sports-bike development is in the GSXR line.
Not sure why anyone would bother tbh, personally, if I had the time on my hands to waste building that document, I'd be out on my bike.
A download of the file and inspection of the document's properties, show that it was created 01/08/2010 14:59:51 +02:00 using OpenOffice.org 3.0, by author C C.
So for those engaging in the reality check, here it is. IT IS FAKE.
timwilky
03-08-10, 08:21 AM
It would be nice, but lets start with the 750RR now.
Of course it would never happen and Suzuki see the GSXR range as their premium models and would not want to dent sales by offering an alternative competitor.
As a document though, I guess it should be sent to suzuki to let them know somebody has actually thought about their model progression
CSpronken
03-08-10, 10:21 AM
Any takers?
Obviously I not only meant the bikes, but also the bait. Sorry guys I made this document (adoption of SV650 wiki) just to define what I think would be the way to go for Suzuki. One thing kinda let to another and I got carried away a bit and finally thought, let's post it and see what the reactions are. It was not done in an evil attempt to get everyone's hope up, but for the love of the small punch-above-your-weight V-twin the SV is.
Let me first make a short introduction:
When I was a kid (and was supposed to be learning for my exams) I was reading lot's of bike magazines and always adored the 748. I couldn't understand why the Japanese didn't make a small light twin themselves, realizing what a image bonus a V-twin would get with Ducati having paved the way. Also I never liked using 4 cylinders for a capacity as small as 600cc's. So I designed what I felt would be a good 600cc V-twin sportsbike.
To my surprise and delight, 2 or so years later, Suzuki launched the SV650S. Not only was it light, had a great engine and stunning looks it also handled great and was also very affordable. I couldn't believe it, if I was ever to buy a bike it would have to be this one. I would almost go as far to say that I would never have starting biking if it weren't for the SV650S. It almost feels like a brainchild to me (with a little help from Suzuki) ;) and I can see and ride it every day. Without a proper replacement chances are I will never sell it.
Anyway, as I hoped, this little V-twin instantly became one of the best-selling bikes. The competition learned from Suzuki's success and now there is much more to choose from if you looking for the SV kind of bike. However in the supersports category things are a bit different, no Japanese V-twin to be found here. Ducati makes the 848, but that's a much more expensive bike.
Would it compete with their own GSX-R600? Sure it would, just like it would snatch sales from CBR's, ZX-6R's, R6's and Daytona 675's. However there are people who just don't like in-line 4's, I just love the feeling of a V-twin's torque and sound escorting you when flowing from curve to curve, a 600 in-line 4 just don't feel the same. For those people it ain't competing with their own GSX-R600 anyway. What Suzuki would have here is a window of opportunity not to copy what others have done, but to create a completely new category of bike: The affordable (and extremely cheap to produce) V-twin supersport. To me it's such a no-brainer, but who am I?
Think about what new parts are needed to make a SV700RS.
What you can use from the SV700S:
-Frame
-Rear subframe
-Base engine
-Gearbox
-All electrics
-Instrument panel
-Complete bodywork
-Rear brakes (if possible with wider tires, otherwise GSX-R rear brakes)
What you can use from a GSX-R if you design the frame such that you can use existing parts (also speedo on gearbox):
-Complete front forks incl. tires, wheels, brakes, forks, crownplate, clip-ons
-Rear swingarm and shock (if possible)
What needs to designed and built new:
-New engine tune (ECU, cams, pistons etc.)
-New exhaust
-New rev counter plate
-Double bubble screen (if not already used for the base model)
-New brochure
-New web page
You'll hardly have to train dealer personnel cause it's almost all existing parts. Design it such that by applying the up-spec rear shock the rear height will increase, in one go increasing ground clearance and reducing rake to make it steer more nimble. Furthermore using GSX-R and standard SV parts means economy of scale advantages for those bikes as well. Instead of having to design a frame and engine etc. just for one bike you can share it between a lot of bike, and furthermore you'll have parts for for future larger capacity enduro (engine) and supermotard (engine, frame) bikes as well.
Any ways apologies for everyone for misleading you, it was not with ill intention (well not completely). :pirat:
hongman
03-08-10, 10:32 AM
Bravo
CSpronken
03-08-10, 10:34 AM
Just a few questions... I'm no expert so just wondering if a bike manufacturer would really gear an 83HP bike with exactly the same ratios as a 122HP bike.
Well actually it does make sense and was done on purpose. A 122 hp bike is 13.7% faster than a otherwise identical 83 hp one assuming optimal gearing for both. The curvy SV650 (prolly pointy as well) is geared a bit short for topspeed to give it moke pokey acceleration. When I reach top speed I'm going quite a bit over 10.000 rpm while peak power is at 9000.
So assume you would gear exactly right so the R reaches it's peak power 10.500 rpm at top speed, that means a 13.7% slower bike would make 9200 rpm at it's top speed while it peak power would be at 8400 rpm. So this would in fact maintain the shorter gearing adding acceleration at the expense of top speed for the base model.
Also a naming convention like the one shown on those sheets would be a far departure from any Suzuki has used before... I just like the sound of SV700RS and SV700RR more than SVR700S and SVR700R, but if they would make it the later that would be fine as well (the double RR model just has full bodywork).
BTW guys the hp numbers are continental hp not BHP.
Geodude
03-08-10, 11:29 AM
Any ways apologies for everyone for misleading you, it was not with ill intention (well not completely). :pirat:
Well now that you have shattered my dreams (SV700RR:smt118) i think that if they do make one you should buy me one to make up for it ;) RR Would be cool though eh!
thedonal
03-08-10, 11:41 AM
As the Gladius appears to be the new entry level bike, it is (slightly) feasible that Suzuki would consider ugrading the SV range.
It does seem a lot like wishful thinking to me- don't we get rumours of a new, more powerful SV around this time every year? So it's got us all on the hopeful again! I doubt there'll be any change on the SV next year except minor details.
Now an SV1000 with a bigger tank- that would be nice...
But a sports powered SV (hey- even 90-100bhp would be nice!) would definitely be on the bike upgrade list!!
Edit- add to that. WHY would they make a 700 and a 750 series? Who still makes so many bikes with such close engine capacities? That would be daft!
CSpronken
03-08-10, 11:53 AM
Well now that you have shattered my dreams (SV700RR:smt118) i think that if they do make one you should buy me one to make up for it ;) RR Would be cool though eh!
As it is clear from your avatar you like small bikes I'll buy you a model. ;)
Edit- add to that. WHY would they make a 700 and a 750 series? Who still makes so many bikes with such close engine capacities? That would be daft!
Hint: read the number years.
timwilky
03-08-10, 11:55 AM
Edit- add to that. WHY would they make a 700 and a 750 series? Who still makes so many bikes with such close engine capacities? That would be daft!
You need to read the sheet again, if the 700 is to be an evolution of the 650, it is suggested the engine would again evolve in 2015 to a 750, not that these would be produced at the same time.
Then again it is all wishful thinking so I just wish Suzuki produced a full power V Twin sports bike.
bengrrr
03-08-10, 12:03 PM
Excellent with the SV RR just wishful thinking, the SP2 money pot can now get back on track....
thedonal
03-08-10, 12:07 PM
As it is clear from your avatar you like small bikes I'll buy you a model. ;)
Hint: read the number years.
Yep- fair play. Having a 'not reading non-work things very thoroughly day' today!
Have you emailed this to Suzuki R&D, btw? Please?!
badsaboy
03-08-10, 12:48 PM
http://www.motorcycle-journal.com/forum/paddock/15180-2007-suzuki-sv-700-a.html
two rumors must mean there is something to this surely?
I want i want!!!
CSpronken
03-08-10, 12:51 PM
Yep- fair play. Having a 'not reading non-work things very thoroughly day' today!
Have you emailed this to Suzuki R&D, btw? Please?!
I'm not aware they have a public email address? If you can supply me one I'll send it along with the whole idea behind the concept.
BTW: reintroduction of the SV650S: MCN (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/First-rides--tests/2010/august/aug0310-2010-suzuki-sv650s-first-ride/)
Out of interest why increase capacity?
Why not leave it as 650?
C
CSpronken
03-08-10, 01:08 PM
Out of interest why increase capacity?
Why not leave it as 650?
C
With increase capacity you can get in-line 600 performance while maintaining a sane 10.500 rpm for peak power. I think getting in-line 600 performance helps it to be successful on the market. Also a somewhat larger engine makes you a bit more flexible to in future position models in the market, be it SV's, enduros or supermotards. Also the current engine already lasted 13 years, seems it paid back it's development. If a new engine would last as long it would certainly be a worthwhile investment.
That said, to me them making a R version with GSX-R level suspension and a performance tuned engine is more important than more capacity. However, AFAIK the current 645 engine, also used in the SV400, does not have the crank strength or the bore stroke ratio to really get to very high levels of performance. The current engine, if up to it at all, would prolly reach up to 105 hp @ 10.500 rpm with a new crank, rods, pistons, cams etc. Which would be enough for me, but perhaps not make as many in-line 600 buyers consider it as an alternative.
Interesting.
Alternatively make it lighter and leave it as a smaller engine like Aprilia have done with their 450 and 550 RRV V twin racer.
http://www.apriliachallenge.moonfruit.com/#/aprilia-rrv450gp/4538882001
the 450 puts out 62 bhp and the 550 is 70bhp but they weigh 118kg.
and I REALLY, REALLY want one! :)
C
squirrel_hunter
03-08-10, 07:25 PM
Well played.
It would be nice to see Suzuki produce the type of bike you created here but I don't think they will. Its a shame really, but it appears that they do see the SV as more of a budget bike.
However, the bike you have described is available today if you make it yourself. Take a curvy, add a GSXR front end, change the rear shock and then stick a big bore on it. Well thats my plan at least.
yorkie_chris
03-08-10, 07:29 PM
:rolleyes:
Same horsepower as a Duc 749R? Without new cases that add 5kg to the weight?
And when did the SV ever have an alloy oval-tube trellis frame? Last time I looked, both series had cast side pieces shaped to look like something fancier.
Unfortunately, the SFV is the real development direction: cheaper beginner bike. Sports-bike development is in the GSXR line.
I agree, except the 1gen does look to have some extruded bits too :smt003
CSpronken
03-08-10, 08:30 PM
Well played.
It would be nice to see Suzuki produce the type of bike you created here but I don't think they will. Its a shame really, but it appears that they do see the SV as more of a budget bike.
However, the bike you have described is available today if you make it yourself. Take a curvy, add a GSXR front end, change the rear shock and then stick a big bore on it. Well thats my plan at least.
Well I have a curvy with a ZX6-RR shock and will prolly add SRAD forks. I'm not gonna do anything with the bore, but if I can find a Leovince full system nearby I'll replace my Leovince slip-on and add the cam swap.
jacksuzukisv650
03-08-10, 09:01 PM
were did u get that from ???? jesus the sv rr sounds like a beast
Nick_69
03-08-10, 09:10 PM
If they do it. It will be nice to see a decent v twin sport which isn't a ducati
The new SV650 is on www.motorcyclenews.com today
thedonal
04-08-10, 10:14 AM
If they do it. It will be nice to see a decent v twin sport which isn't a ducati
YES.
The bike world is a little short of medium/large V-Twin bikes that are not - race/exotica (Ducati, Aprilia, Benelli) or Sofas (Harley and all equivalents).
I would like to see this changed please.
The SV650 is meant to be the way it is. Add pricey parts and loads more power and you no longer give it the attributes that actually make it a good choice for a lot of people- cheap price and insurance costs.
I don't know if there'd be a market for an SV "rr" priced above the SV base, but Suzuki would be insane to replace the current bike with something like that. It's a nice little niche that not everyone else is taking a piece of just now.
thedonal
04-08-10, 11:34 AM
I think it would be a great next step for SV owners that love what they have, but want more of it.
So- not necessarily the full range suggested by Spronken, but perhaps an additional model that's a significant, but not huge step up from the SV.
I'd rather go that way than an IL4 racer and something that is along similar lines- light, flickable and tweakable but with more go in it.
It would mean considerable re-engineering I reckon- a different engine, rather than a tweaked engine. But then Suzuki designed a new engine at the SV's birth, rather than going the Bandit route of a bike cobbled from parts and still made it affordable.
Think about it- it'd likely be cheaper and more reliable than a Ducati with a more reasonable insurance cost too. Could still be fairly budget (springs and brakes being the main upgrade parts outside the engine that would be above the 'budget' level, but from existing ranges).
CSpronken
04-08-10, 04:45 PM
The SV650 is meant to be the way it is. Add pricey parts and loads more power and you no longer give it the attributes that actually make it a good choice for a lot of people- cheap price and insurance costs.
I don't know if there'd be a market for an SV "rr" priced above the SV base, but Suzuki would be insane to replace the current bike with something like that. It's a nice little niche that not everyone else is taking a piece of just now.
Hence why I'm not suggesting to replace it but to expand the range of models with an up spec version.
So- not necessarily the full range suggested by Spronken, but perhaps an additional model that's a significant, but not huge step up from the SV.
Keep in mind though that this full range as you call it does not contain that much more than the SV line has already had. You have one naked, one half-faired and one fully faired body, exactly as it has been. Only difference is that for the half and fully faired version there would be an R-model with uprated engine and suspension. Of course if there were enough demand they could also make a naked R model, sort of a street triple competitor.
hardhat_harry
04-08-10, 04:55 PM
The motorcycle market has many different sectors now with adventure, tourers, supersport, commuter, naked, hyper tourers etc but one section has not been catered for recently with the demise of the 400cc supersport machines. These were and still are popular an SV-RR lightened with sorted suspension, brakes and a more agressive stance would tap into that market and would clean up with no competition.
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