How to dig up dirt on people?

[Quedos]

I'm sure someone on here will know how to dig the dirt on people.
I'm working with someone who I'm sure is stretching the truth somewhat and not sure where to find out about his history and the likes.

[BigBaddad]

Not Dave P by any chance???

[Quedos]

No-one on here I'm glad to say

[Bri w]

Ask them a question(s) you already know the answer to.

[dizzyblonde]

Talk to an office gossip?

[yorkie_chris]

such an open question? depends entirely on what sort of info you need... professional stuff? talk to the relevant people. personal stuff, why do you care?

[Rai86]

why do you need to know? their business is their business. i doubt it affects your life too much by letting them believe what they want to so let it be.

[keith_d]

If it's someone working for you, check their references and arrange an informal lunch with one of the referees. Off the record chats can be quite fruitful.

[husky03]

why the need to go down this path?-if its a matter of professionalism at work fair enough but other than that if its just to make them look stupid in other peoples eyes thats wrong.People tend to expand on the truths regarding their life due to insecurities in their own value, and people who see the need to dig up dirt on others tend to have the same insecurities-if you do find out stuff on this person what are you gonna do with it?if no ones getting harmed or at risk leave it be, because you look bad if not worse than them.

[Quedos]

basically this guy - we are trying to set up charity/not 4 profit organisation. BUT he's cagey about his past and a few things have come out over the weekend and his behaviour is strating to make me doubt his credability. - Been involved with the police over a high profile story a couple of years ago - seems to have been scammed a few times losing large sums of money, suing people that have walked away with money, been victim of credit card fraud but still fighting to get money back.
He's had a few jobs for his age - ones which you would expect a few years service before quitting.
behaviours - standing at petrol pumps to fill up the car yet only putting a fiver in, not wanting to put money in the bank and leave it as petty cash - things are not adding up and I don't want to be taken for a fool
I can't check references as we don't work for each other more of a committee member for this fledging organisation. as for making him look stupid its not - i just want to make sure that we are not being taken for mugs and money while he just entertains himself.

[husky03]

so its a professional thing and as such your well entitled to ask questions,if your gut is telling you there's something dodgy go with it,some people do get sammied repeatedly but when there's cash involved again and again its usually a sign that someones at the fiddle.

[independentphoto]

Timelines for which there is concrete evidence have also been stretched by large factors too. It's a case of watching our own reputations etc.

Garry

[SoulKiss]

PM me :)

[johnnyrod]

Tricky one, but often with the things that get people into the most trouble (money and women), you only get to see a tiny bit of what's really going on - so if something doesn't seem to add up, there's a fair chance that something's going on. Unfortunately people don't walk around with a sandwich board saying "I'll steal the eye out of your head when you're not looking" on it.

[Davadvice]

if you are both on the commity and feel the same then why not raise it ? need to be careful how you go about it. no acusations or any of that just explain the concerns.

[CoolGirl]

Q - 2 simple things you can do:

1. check with Companies House that he's not struck off (you can do this without his knowledge). www.companieshouse.gov.uk (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk)

2. Openly suggest that everyone invovled has a credit check, with the intention of proving to potential donors that you're all clean. It'll cost you £2 each.

:cool:

[-Ralph-]

Pillow talk works wonders ;-)

[phil24_7]

Send Bear round to f**k the info out of him! :D

[ethariel]

Will your charity have anything to do with kids?, if so, insist everyone has a CRB check done....

[gruntygiggles]

Easy Q - say that as it is a not for profit organisation, in order to be on the committee/board or to be invloved in dealing with any financial or personal information, all individuals must complete a CRB check and pay for it. When Dan joined the Wessex 4x4 rescue association, he HAD to do this, as does anyone involved as they come into contact with vulnerable people.

If you do this, you must ALL be willing to have the check and you should set the example and do it yourself first.

IMHO if you are running a charity/not for profit, you should absolutely have everyone involved CRB checked every few years and they should have no dealings with the organisation until a satisfactory CRB check comes back. You can organise it with your regional police HQ usually, or at least they will give you the details you need.
You all need to be above reproach at all times. I agree with you that you have a right to be suspicious, but try not to judge him, he may well have had all that happen....I did. I was hit for MASSIVE fraud and ID theft and it was very nearly the end of me. I still won't get a credit card or even debit card, I only use a cash card and a pre-paid card because I am extremely wary of it happening again.

So, protect yourself and the organisation, lead by example and try not to judge before you have any facts.

Hope that helps. :-)

[gruntygiggles]

Q - 2 simple things you can do:

1. check with Companies House that he's not struck off (you can do this without his knowledge). www.companieshouse.gov.uk (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk)

2. Openly suggest that everyone invovled has a credit check, with the intention of proving to potential donors that you're all clean. It'll cost you £2 each.

:cool:

Credit check may not be the best, could be getting into the territory of being predjudice against him, when actually, he;s done nothing wrong, just useless with bills.


+1 to Ralph and to add to it, I don't know...but am pretty sure that in order to handle funds or personal information in a charitable organisation you have to be CRB checked. It is after all handling public donations.

On a side note, I would like to say again, I don't think his behaviour warrants any massive concern, some people are different in the way they do things, this does not mean they are wrong or bad for it.

CRB check will give you what you need and more importantly, cover your backs should something go wrong!

[-Ralph-]

Pillow talk works wonders ;-)

+1 to Ralph

:D

[Milky Bar Kid]

I like pillow talk....

[Viney]

He sounds like a salt of the earth type of chap, id employ him ;)

[lily]

Q, if you want me to do a companies house check on him let me know, as will put it on my companies account.

[gruntygiggles]

A companies house check can give you details of if any previous companies, directorships etc he has held, but that will not give you information on whether or not he is fit to be employed either paid or voluntarily by the organisation you are building.

Also, what would you do with that information? You find out something you don't like and what do you do? You'll need to give him a reason for letting him go. If he finds out you have done this search, although in itself it is legal to do so, you leave yourself open to legal action as you do not have the right to judge him on the information that you recieve.

I think you need to tread very very carefully as the last thing you want is for this to blow up in your face and if you don't do the right thing...that's precisely what could happen.

For your peace of mind, you need to know if he has ever been convicted of any fraudulent activities to ensure that the finances of the organisation are safe and you need to know that he is not a danger to vulnerable people.
A CRB check will ensure both of these, also run a basic credit check in some cases and leave you in no doubt. All other avenues will still leave you in doubt of the full picture.

[-Ralph-]

Also, what would you do with that information? You find out something you don't like and what do you do? You'll need to give him a reason for letting him go. If he finds out you have done this search, although in itself it is legal to do so, you leave yourself open to legal action as you do not have the right to judge him on the information that you recieve.

I think you need to tread very very carefully as the last thing you want is for this to blow up in your face and if you don't do the right thing...that's precisely what could happen.


If he is working for a charity on a voluntary basis, does he have any rights as an employee? Would they need reasons for letting him go?

[gruntygiggles]

If he is working for a charity on a voluntary basis, does he have any rights as an employee? Would they need reasons for letting him go?

No, but if he finds out checks have been made that he has not consented to and he feels that he has been wrongly treated on the result of those judgements, then yes, he has rights as any of us do.

I have just checked and anyone involved with the running of a charitable organisation, by law needs to be CRB checked if that organisation helps children or vulnerable adults. This applies even if the individual will never come into contact with these children and vulnerable adults. In the legal terms it may be worded differently, but that's the jist of it.

What I am unsure of and have someone checking for Q, is whether or not you have to, by law be CRB checked to handle the funds in a charitable organisation too. I would have a feeling you do and even in the case that you didn't, I would ask any volunteer to do it for purposes of full disclosure.

Where everyone is checked properly, the organisation is far better protected against backlash and legal repercussions should one of the volunteers defruad them (remember it's public money) or harm a vulnerable individual.

I think it's a no brainer myself.

[Quedos]

CRB checks? I'm assuming is like our Disclosure Scotland check - crim records??

think we've worked out the way we're going to approach this - Coffee cake and some straight talking. all exit options are covered just in case. But we'll see how it goes

[-Ralph-]

CRB = Criminal records Bureau. Don't know what it is in Scotland, but Sandrine has to be checked as a teacher, and I'm not aware of anything that says she can't work in Scotland. Just have a meeting saying that you have discovered the legislation exists and say everyone needs to undergo a companies house check and a CRB check. Those with nothing to hide should not protest.

[gruntygiggles]

Having had a PM chat with Q - I think she is doing the right thing for now :-)