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Hey guys was wondering if anyone can shed some light on buying your first bike, or more specifically my daughter buying her first scooter, she,s 16 and has a job working in McDonalds until she starts college in sept, she,s making not bad for money for a 16 yrd old and wants her first set of wheels, I know she can have a scoot at 16 and that the max capacity is 50 cc but is there anything else she needs to know, have etc ?
Cheers
btw thinking of going halves on it with her so Ill be able to go on rideouts again, I mean I was always at the back anyway wasnt I ? ;)
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 09:08 AM
Consider waiting until she is 17 for 125.
Buy carefully, scooters get ragged by every ignorant feckless kn*b who owns one so there's a lot of lemons about.
Thats a thought Chris, she,ll be 17 in november, cheers mate
The Guru
16-08-10, 09:35 AM
YZF-R 125 (http://www.yamahapaymentcalculator.co.uk/125/yzfr125race.html)
or
BWs 125 (http://www.yamahapaymentcalculator.co.uk/scooters/bws125.html)
Cheap as chips finance.
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 09:40 AM
YZF-R 125 (http://www.yamahapaymentcalculator.co.uk/125/yzfr125race.html)
or
BWs 125 (http://www.yamahapaymentcalculator.co.uk/scooters/bws125.html)
Cheap as chips finance.
Idiocy.
timwilky
16-08-10, 09:54 AM
My advice is dont try to ride the thing, you will scare the poo out of yourself, awful brakes, awful handling and not enough power to get out of trouble.
That aside, Obviously she has to do a CBT, probably worthwhile arranging with riding school for her to do the CBT on her own bike/ped. Cheaper, starts on day one learning to ride what she will be riding so no having to learn different handling/control etc.
Im a bit rusty on the whole cbt thing, can she ride her ped before doing he cbt or does she need to do the cbt first ?
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 09:59 AM
No you need CBT before you can ride on the road at all
Yeah thought so, saying that Id rather she got proper advice and training before going out on the road anyway
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 10:03 AM
I'd definitely advise learning how to ride a bike first, like round car park.
Yeah was going to show her the basics around a supermarket car park of a quiet sun evening, her mums a bit concerned, but she,s growing up so what can you do ?
The Guru
16-08-10, 10:42 AM
Idiocy.
Why?
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 10:46 AM
Because you pay a stupid amount of money for a hairdryer 125 that will be worth bugger all by the time you've done with it. Generally pay through the nose for something as advanced as a lawnmower. More insurance, breakable parts. And the build quality of new 125s is terrible.
You can get one a few years old for less than a couple of months payments and WHEN you crash the f***er you can go get another one rather than crying about how you're going to pay the finance while going to work on the bus!
I honestly can't think of a worse thing to take finance on than a 125 or worse a 50!
Am I reading right on the net that the list for a YZF125 is FOUR THOUSAND POUNDS?
What sort of lunatic is paying that to own a bike for 6 months?
I bet you I could buy 2 normal 125s (which will be just as fast, get stolen less and cost less to crash) or 3 2t 125s (which will be MUCH faster and break down a lot) for what you will lose in depreciation of a YZF125.
The Guru
16-08-10, 10:50 AM
:rolleyes: Oh well.. Just a thought
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 10:52 AM
I sound harsh but it's the "oh the payments are really low" mentality that has got a generation of ****ing idiots into the mess they are in.
You advising someone to get stuck into a big pile of debt for their very first vehicle (a very quickly depreciating asset ;)) is one thing I can never agree with.
The Guru
16-08-10, 11:38 AM
£60 for a wee scoot isn't exactly astronomical. I pay that for my sky package every month.
wait until november and get her a honda c90. they are bullet proof get amazing miles from a tank full verrrrryy cheep to insure. dirt cheep second hand. crash well and you will probably sell it for what you got it or just throw it away. ooohhhh no complicated clutch to worry her. just stay away from ones with big white boxes on the back.
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 11:50 AM
£60 for a wee scoot isn't exactly astronomical. I pay that for my sky package every month.
3 year plan or something? What about after 4 months (or minutes) when she's bored and wants a 125?
All complications of selling it, more cost getting out of payment plan etc etc And fact you're stuck paying for something worth nothing when you crash it.
wait for the 125 and buy a 2nd hand suzuki van van 125
there's even a dedicated forum www.suzukivanvan.co.uk
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 11:52 AM
We looked at one for MYC, not much road presence and expensive.
If it were me if she is petrolhead then get a TZR or mito or something. Otherwise a YBR/CG/chink copy of.
The Guru
16-08-10, 11:59 AM
All complications of selling it..
more cost getting out of payment plan..
How so?
:confused:
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 12:03 PM
Any sensible person does a HPI check, it comes up "outstanding finance", they walk away.
I'm no expert on credit agreements, but friends experience suggests to pay the amount off early (which you must do if you sell it, as there's no longer an asset) there are extra charges.
Compared to pay a small wedge for a used one (£600 tops), when you're done with it, sell it for the same as what you paid for it. Seems dead simple to me in comparison.
Why dont you get a second hand 125, I would never recommend buying new for a first bike, they are bound to be dropped at least once or twice ;)
Dont get a chink copy of anything, friends of mine have done this against my advice and have ALWAYS had electric or parts problems.
See about a little CT or CB 125 on eby or trade papers. TZR“s are a pain because of the steering limits on them and the plastics that are breakable once dropped.
MattCollins
16-08-10, 12:23 PM
Hmmm... November CT110.
Not the most glamorous of scoots, but it is rock solid.
The Guru
16-08-10, 12:26 PM
Any sensible person does a HPI check, it comes up "outstanding finance", they walk away..
I must not be sensible. :rolleyes:
There was outstanding finance on my bike when I bought it. Was easy to sort out. Spoke with the seller who gave me their agreement number, I phoned the finance company, explained that I was buying bike, they sent settlement to seller. I turned up to buy the bike, phoned finance company, they spoke with seller then me to confirm some stuff and I paid the balance over phone and a wee bit cash to seller. Easy.
..I'm no expert on credit agreements, but friends experience suggests to pay the amount off early (which you must do if you sell it, as there's no longer an asset) there are extra charges.. Not necessarily true.
Anyway, like I said it was just an option.
Hmmm... November CT110.
Not the most glamorous of scoots, but it is rock solid.
that's an aussie thing, we don't have them here
MattCollins
16-08-10, 01:12 PM
That's a shame.
Wouldn't touch a mito as an only transport first bike with some one else's barge pole.
But plus one on the get a 125 at 17.
I'd get the CBT out of the way then investigate car parks once the bike's been brought/ insured/ etc.
barwel1992
16-08-10, 01:34 PM
why not get her to take a full test? (17) and then just stick with a 125
metalangel
16-08-10, 01:37 PM
Don't buy a plastic covered flymo for your first bike, just get a used CG or YBR or something, have your fun with it, and once you (she) is experienced consider something a bit better.
Nobody is fooled by that 'R6' with L plates and a tire narrower than a shopping cart's.
yorkie_chris
16-08-10, 01:38 PM
Nobody is fooled by that 'R6' with L plates and a tire narrower than a shopping cart's.
Unless you sell insurance :mrgreen:
The Guru
16-08-10, 01:40 PM
Unless you sell insurance :mrgreen:
yup agreed :smt045
Going to take her out later and have a look at a couple, thinking of buying it myself and putting her on the insurance that way I can use it for work at night and she can use it for work during the day, think she wants a scoot to get used to the road on first then maybe move up to a bike later, she,s been on the back of my various bikes, thats when I had one :cry: ;) so maybe looking at a new ORG member for the future :D
Well, took her to a few shops seling both scoots and bikes, she wants a bike, yay, just gotta work out something to suit :D
Well, took her to a few shops seling both scoots and bikes, she wants a bike, yay, just gotta work out something to suit :D
Get her on a direct access (restricted) course and she can have a 33bhp SV! :)
matt_rehm_hext
17-08-10, 12:28 AM
Get her on a direct access (restricted) course and she can have a 33bhp SV! :)
/Thread.
Well, took her to a few shops seling both scoots and bikes, she wants a bike, yay, just gotta work out something to suit :D
If you want to get one dirt cheap, buy a complete ratter of a 125 and drop it at my house to sort out with a full going over for just the cost of parts + biscuits :D
christopher
17-08-10, 01:18 PM
Am I reading right on the net that the list for a YZF125 is FOUR THOUSAND POUNDS?
What sort of lunatic is paying that to own a bike for 6 months?
Me :D
Well not quite. I bought one at list price (£3000) as my first bike coming up to 2 years ago... sold it 8 months later for a couple of hundred quid less than I paid. The list price by then had increased to £3300 (an expected rise) so worked out well for me.
Saying that, I had 2 of them. The first one was written off within a month when a car pulled out on me (fully comprehensive insurance, had new bike within 2 weeks and a hire bike for the time in between, claim went through successfully with me at no fault).
Was pretty much only fairing damage, expensive bits of plastic they are. If are even slightly thinking about one then unless you don't mind losing £3000 I'd advise you to factor in fully comprehensive insurance.
If you want to get one dirt cheap, buy a complete ratter of a 125 and drop it at my house to sort out with a full going over for just the cost of parts + biscuits :D
Thanks for the offer Chris may take you up on it yet :D
yorkie_chris
22-08-10, 09:28 AM
... for a couple of hundred quid less than I paid.
So it cost you the full price of a 125 then?
See for sale section where jayneflakes was selling a CG for £300... rag the NUTS out of it for a year, flat out everywhere, fall off a bit... and it will still be worth £300 when you're done... ;)
Had a look Chris, think Ive missed the boat on that one, ah well never mind.
minimorecambe
22-08-10, 08:02 PM
I will have my 2004 cbr125 for sale soon.
Its taken me through my CBT and helped me learn the ways of the road :)
Think I'll prob have to go through a dealer tbh, stick a small deposit down and see what I can get, as a matter of interest though how much would you be looking for ?
andrewsmith
22-08-10, 09:24 PM
I would say Wait till november and try and get hold of a cheap 125.
A year old YBR is around £1,700 in a dealer
to suggest the daft 1 RS125, but a cheap 1 will be f**ked
I'm with YC on this one. If she's 17 in Nov, I'd be tempted to say wait 'til then for a 125, rather than try to find a 50. Get a rat jap 125, say Honda CG or similar, put your money into CBT & other test prep/off road training and then spend any leftover on a decent 33hp restricted bike after test pass. Alternatively, moto-x style 125s (DT, RD, KMX) are fun, bounce reasonably well instead of just smashing when dropped and are a bit bigger physically which can be better for some youngsters today.
(Funnily enough my lad has just done his CBT today, having recently turned 16. We found a decent TS50X motocross style moped, which hopefully will last him this year and then his brother next. Scooters were out - we wanted a geared bike so that the step up to "real" motorbike at 17 was easier. Took a bit longer to get the hang of clutch/gears but he feels like a proper biker rather than a chavvy hairdryer rider. Be warned, it was bloody hard work, finding a decent, legal 50cc - most I saw had been bored out to 80cc or tinkered with in even worse ways.)
yorkie_chris
22-08-10, 10:09 PM
CGs slide pretty well. The modern plastic 125s tend to explode into lots of shrapnel!
CGs slide pretty well. The modern plastic 125s tend to explode into lots of shrapnel!
+1. The less bodywork the better. There's a reason most training schools use unfaired machines across the board.
Metal tanks can stay dented so negotiate a lower price buying a slightly pre-dinged one - any paint can be used to prevent rust! For L plate riding, it's better to put fashion and vanity aside.
minimorecambe
23-08-10, 09:55 AM
Think I'll prob have to go through a dealer tbh, stick a small deposit down and see what I can get, as a matter of interest though how much would you be looking for ?
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