Thank you Mr Police Sergeant

[Lozzo]

For not throwing the book at me this morning for a huge number of offences committed during a 'spirited' ride into work this morning. I'm glad you believed my totally true excuse that I was about 20 minutes late for work and my rather weak defence of "I only gave it the berries where the road was clear of other traffic and pedestrians". To be perfectly honest he could easily have had me banned for what I was doing.

Most coppers are decent, you just have to treat them with lots of respect to start and see where it goes from there on.

[beno987]

yeah there is some decent cops about, i had one that could of had me banned a couple of years back but he did'nt take it further.

[starks]

this is only too true, i think its called the 'attitude test', pass that and your sorted

i once got pulled over on the bike, he asked me if i knew why to which i replied 'no, im sorry but i know i wasnt speeding',
it was because my bike was too loud, so i thought oh here we go, then he said 'your bike does sound cool tho' and then went on to give me some good advice
which was to put my baffle under the seat and if i get pulled again then i was to say 'sorry officer but it fell out 2 miles down the road and im going home to put it back on'
to be fair iv never been pulled since so not sure if this will work!

[sam anon]

I've just got back from my England and Wales tour (right up and photos to follow), and raised my pint glass to a "fellow biker" while sat in the sunshine outside a pub.

He smiled and nodded back, only then did I notice his Police helmet on an otherwise unmarked bike. Cheers!

[dizzyblonde]

You are lucky you got off. He must have been feeling nice.
Some coppers ain't so nice, like the one who'll pull you over after sitting behind you through miles of 30s, watching you being a model road user, and waits til you are 400 yds from a shift to 50 and decides hes going to give you a fine and three points, as you anticipate the change....for the motorway.

[dill89]

i got stoppedo n the Fazer one time... pulled over, took my lid off and he said "do you know why i've stopped you" to which i rpelied "no, sorry, but im sure i wasn't speeding", and after looking at my age on my license (20 at the time) proceeded to ask "is this your bike", so of course i said "yes sir, ive had it for just short of 2 years"

he then went on to accuse me of dangerous driving and was going to give me a warning... but if i had already received a warning on the bike then i would be getting points... right enough i'd never been stopped before so now ive got a "warning" so apparently will get points next time....

here's the thing... i was going the entire way around a roundabout to go back up the road, and they appeared at the roudabout just as i was leaving it, and they whipped on the blues n twos immediately and stopped me about 150m up the road from first seeing me...

i think he must just have been in a bad mood...

[Stu]

Unlike the A rsehole that stopped me last night for the sole reason of riding a monkey bike. Where's the right to go about our peaceful existence without molestation. ;)

[tactcom7]

Or the one that gave me 3 points for crossing double white lines to overtake some old codger in a merc who was sat at 20 in a 40. And his sole reason for giving me the points was that 2 people had died on the 339 in the last month.

[orose]

Or the one that gave me 3 points for crossing double white lines to overtake some old codger in a merc who was sat at 20 in a 40. And his sole reason for giving me the points was that 2 people had died on the 339 in the last month.

Disagree... crossing solid white lines is illegal, with very few exceptions (and doddering mercs aren't one of them), so you'll have to take your punishment for being impatient :rolleyes:

[tactcom7]

Disagree... crossing solid white lines is illegal, with very few exceptions (and doddering mercs aren't one of them), so you'll have to take your punishment for being impatient :rolleyes:


As was half the stuff i'm sure Lozzo did on his spirited ride?? Oh well.

[orose]

Almost certainly, but I suspect he'd have got the book thrown at him if they'd seen that. It seems to be one of the things that annoys the police nationwide, and getting away with anything is nigh-on impossible if you're showing contempt before you take your helmet off.

[Lozzo]

As was half the stuff i'm sure Lozzo did on his spirited ride?? Oh well.

Half? Only bloody half?

You do me a disservice, sir. I demand an apology

[rob13]

Lozzo, good for highlighting a good dead and discretion by plod, but unfortunately any plod praise thread turns into a bashing one within a couple of pages.

I gave someone 3 points yesterday for using a mobile phone. They all get them as far as I'm concerned.

[yorkie_chris]

Disagree... crossing solid white lines is illegal, with very few exceptions (and doddering mercs aren't one of them), so you'll have to take your punishment for being impatient :rolleyes:

Legal to pass a slow moving vehicle though isn't it? Fair enough not a roadsweeper or something but I still say the cop was a c**t.

Lesson, observe the cars around more carefully before doing that again.

[orose]

Only cyclists, horses and road maintenance vehicles, and only then when they are doing less than 10mph, if you need to cross the line to do so.

I'd go with the same lesson though - lifes too short to spend behind tractors and the like.

[Nelson]

Legal to pass a slow moving vehicle though isn't it? Fair enough not a roadsweeper or something but I still say the cop was a c**t.

Regulation 16 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002:

(6) Nothing in paragraph (2)(b) shall be taken to prohibit a vehicle from being driven across, or so as to straddle, the continuous line referred to in that paragraph, if it is safe to do so and if necessary to do so—

(a)to enable the vehicle to enter, from the side of the road on which it is proceeding, land or premises adjacent to the length of road on which the line is placed, or another road joining that road;

(b)in order to pass a stationary vehicle;

(c)owing to circumstances outside the control of the driver;

(d)in order to avoid an accident;

(e)in order to pass a road maintenance vehicle which is in use, is moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph, and is displaying to the rear the sign shown in diagram 610 or 7403;

(f)in order to pass a pedal cycle moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph;

(g)in order to pass a horse that is being ridden or led at a speed not exceeding 10 mph; or

(h)for the purposes of complying with any direction of a constable in uniform or a traffic warden.

[yorkie_chris]

My mistake, had confused it with the stationary vehicle bit.

[Lozzo]

Lozzo, good for highlighting a good dead and discretion by plod, but unfortunately any plod praise thread turns into a bashing one within a couple of pages.

Fair's fair, I was riding like a complete tw4t in all honesty, at speeds that are more suited to Donington Park, Derbys than Box End, Beds. He had obviously been following me for quite a while because he mentioned a section of twisties I'd gone flat out through a fair way from where he pulled me. He'd seen enough to have my licence for at least a couple of years of he'd added up all the 'indiscretions', so I'm eternally grateful to him for being decent and realising that I was only endangering myself as I slowed to a decent speed where there was traffic or pedestrians, and where there are a couple of hidden junctions.

I gave someone 3 points yesterday for using a mobile phone. They all get them as far as I'm concerned.

And so you should. When people speed they are generally concentrating on what they are doing. When anyone is on the phone they aren't thinking about their driving, they are more interested in the conversation they're having and trying not to drop the handset. I invested 25 quid in a Jabra bluetooth set that clips to the sun visor, I can't see why every driver hasn't got one if they need to take calls when driving.

[yorkie_chris]

And so you should. When people speed they are generally concentrating on what they are doing.

I agree with you there when they're doing a hundred and daft scraping everything along anything that can be leant on.

99% of speeding is people doing 40mph in 30s, while eating breakfast and having a shave.

[Lozzo]

I agree with you there when they're doing a hundred and daft scraping everything along anything that can be leant on.

Guilty as charged, Yeronner

99% of speeding is people doing 40mph in 30s, while eating breakfast and having a shave.

Oh dammit, Guilty again ... here, have my licence :D

[allantheboss]

'sorry officer but it fell out 2 miles down the road and im going home to put it back on'
to be fair iv never been pulled since so not sure if this will work!

Unless they say "But I clocked you 3 miles back"

[tactcom7]

Not that it matters I suppose but it was a copper on a bike coming the other way that got me. I though perhaps pulling over and letting him catch up would go in my favour but apparently
not.

[martin15s]

Not that it matters I suppose but it was a copper on a bike coming the other way that got me. I though perhaps pulling over and letting him catch up would go in my favour but apparently
not.

the plot thickens - you put yourself in the frame - if you are foolish enough to do something so stupid in front of a police vehicle, especially a traffic officer, then you clearly deserve what you get. I suppose YC will still call the officer a c*** but then he is from Yorkshire and and foolishly believes he has the right to hurl abuse at the police. Such comments do this forum and motorcycling in general little good.

[Milky Bar Kid]

the plot thickens - you put yourself in the frame - if you are foolish enough to do something so stupid in front of a police vehicle, especially a traffic officer, then you clearly deserve what you get. I suppose YC will still call the officer a c*** but then he is from Yorkshire and and foolishly believes he has the right to hurl abuse at the police. Such comments do this forum and motorcycling in general little good.

Martin, there is no point reacting like this on the forum. Yes, YC can be very opinionated but I doubt very much he would "hurl abuse at the Police." Nor is he anyones fool.

Stop being so confrontational in your response. You are no longer in the job and as such, it is left to those of us who are to clean up the mess!

There is a way to say things on the forum, and that is NOT the way.

[tactcom7]

the plot thickens - you put yourself in the frame - if you are foolish enough to do something so stupid in front of a police vehicle, especially a traffic officer, then you clearly deserve what you get. I suppose YC will still call the officer a c*** but then he is from Yorkshire and and foolishly believes he has the right to hurl abuse at the police. Such comments do this forum and motorcycling in general little good.


Well to be fair i was just crossing back over when he came round the corner and spotted me, could have easily gotten away in basingstoke but no i stopped and took my punishment. Does that make me even more stupid? probably...


P.S I was born in Leeds and lived up north till i was 18, and will be returning in the next few weeks, so feel free to hurl anymore anti-Yorkshire abuse this way...

[martin15s]

Martin, there is no point reacting like this on the forum. Yes, YC can be very opinionated but I doubt very much he would "hurl abuse at the Police." Nor is he anyones fool.

Stop being so confrontational in your response. You are no longer in the job and as such, it is left to those of us who are to clean up the mess!

There is a way to say things on the forum, and that is NOT the way.

quite - one of my points is that even though retired I still find it objectionable for people to call police officers doing their duty c****. Being opinionated does not excuse such crude terminology. As for being confrontational, surely calling the officer a c*** is just that. As to hurl abuse at those from Yorkshire, that was not my intention - it was a passing observation on their "straight talking". It may be that some young officers of today feel that such comments are to be accepted.
I am not out to be confrontational - perhaps being an old g*t of 62 precludes me from expressing my opinion. One thing is for sure, I will not sit on the fence and turn a blind eye to unnecessary crude or foul comments about the police.

[Milky Bar Kid]

You need to learn to take YC with a pinch of salt! Just don't react in such a confrontational manner all the time.

And I am sorry, but being offended by crude terminology does NOT give you the right to make assumptions or stereotype people just because of the area in which they are from.

If you want to preach, make sure you a squeeky clean.

[martin15s]

You need to learn to take YC with a pinch of salt! Just don't react in such a confrontational manner all the time.

And I am sorry, but being offended by crude terminology does NOT give you the right to make assumptions or stereotype people just because of the area in which they are from.

If you want to preach, make sure you a squeeky clean.

I do not need to take YC with a pinch of salt. I fully respect him for his technical and engineering knowledge, but not for his crude and unjustified terminology.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Ok, and in the same vein perhaps people don't need to respect you for your confrontational posts and your unjustified stereotyping.

One rule for one eh?

[martin15s]

Ok, and in the same vein perhaps people don't need to respect you for your confrontational posts and your unjustified stereotyping.

One rule for one eh?

I don't intend this to get out of hand - see my amended post earlier - let's just agree to differ.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Please don't be condescending.

[Paul the 6th]

.....but then he is from Yorkshire.....

What's tha saying about yorkshire? Remember it's the biggest county in't land, and therefore an awful lot of people to upset (it's in the north of england just incase you're unsure)

http://www.picturesofengland.com/images/mapofengland/yorkshire-map.gif

You need to learn to take YC with a pinch of salt! Just don't react in such a confrontational manner all the time.

Ok, and in the same vein perhaps people don't need to respect you for your confrontational posts and your unjustified stereotyping.

One rule for one eh?

She's good is that there MBK :)

[Milky Bar Kid]

Love you Paul!! ;)

[Paul the 6th]

Love you Paul!! ;)

the org is just so full of love lately isn't lol :)

on a side note, every job/workplace has it's own set of nobheads. Average quota seems to be 15-20% depending on where you work, and unfortunately the police is no different.

On a similar thread to Lozzo, earlier this year I was let off with a warning & £60 fine for unknowingly having no MOT (dealer said it came with 12 months MOT but it only had 6) after an unmarked traffic car pulled me for cruising along at 89.6mph on the motorway. Could quite easily have given me points and a fine, especially considering that my vehicle was also out of MOT (instant fail @ attitude test IMO)... They were really nice fellas and let me on my way.

Then last month whilst getting on the motorway at around 60mph, I was on the sliproad and nipped over a solid white line into the crawler lane part of the sliproad because a slow moving car & lorry was blocking me from joining the motorway without causing other road users to have to brake or change direction. I had checked all my mirrors and nearside blindspot before hopping over the solid white line (there were no other vehicles within 200 yards of me in the crawler lane).

Unfortunately for me, the traffic cops gave me 3 points and £60 fine for crossing the white line, and another £60 fine for failing to display valid tax disc (vehicle was taxed on computer - I was just awaiting the tax disc in the post, which, ironically enough arrived the next morning around 15 hours after I was pulled).

I dealt with them politely, no bad attitude, straightforward answers and explanations etc... but I felt there was no need to dole out the second £60 fine for no tax disc because it WAS taxed on computer.

You win some, you lose some. I know the rules and I'm a big boy. It just makes me appreciate it when I get one of the good officers who has a job to do but can hit their targets without being unneccessarily harsh. No point being bitter because it won't get me anywhere..

[yorkie_chris]

and foolishly believes he has the right to hurl abuse at the police.

I believe the term is "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say".

An officers duty is to protect the public, no? This c*** decided to apply a fine to someone who was already contrite (shown by him stopping rather than nailing it, like I would do) and in my opinion (to which I am entitled...) not letting the person in question go with a stern telling off for carrying out this safe though illegal maneuver was behavior which one might reasonably expect from someone who may be a bit of a c***.

he would "hurl abuse at the Police." Nor is he anyones fool.

I have no intention of causing myself to have an accident with any stairs ;)

It may be a surprise to you, but in my dealings with the police in general I am in general polite and helpful. You need to separate that from an opinion about a singular officer Martin.

Being opinionated does not excuse such crude terminology. As for being confrontational, surely calling the officer a c*** is just that.

Would it help if I said I believed the officer conducted himself in a manner befitting of a c***?

Confrontational would be calling an officer that in person, which would be a bad idea. On here, you have simply heard my opinion, which is what it is... and is exceedingly unlikely to change unless new facts come to light.

Just don't react in such a confrontational manner all the time.

And I am sorry, but being offended by crude terminology does NOT give you the right to make assumptions or stereotype people just because of the area in which they are from.

Let him react any way he wants, got to have some entertainment here somewhere :mrgreen:

I like stereotypes, they let me offend whole swathes of the population at once :-D.

Anyway, Martin, you're an old boy, ex-job... I could make all sorts of assumptions about you and the stereotype you fall into, especially considering previous discussions we've had about suspension issues. But, I don't. I'm happy to attack any point you make on it's failings or it's merits, it's not personal, it's a forum... So don't be a c*** :smt042

[skidmarx]

I believe the term is "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say".

An officers duty is to protect the public, no? This c*** decided to apply a fine to someone who was already contrite (shown by him stopping rather than nailing it, like I would do) and in my opinion (to which I am entitled...) not letting the person in question go with a stern telling off for carrying out this safe though illegal maneuver was behavior which one might reasonably expect from someone who may be a bit of a c***.



I have no intention of causing myself to have an accident with any stairs ;)

It may be a surprise to you, but in my dealings with the police in general I am in general polite and helpful. You need to separate that from an opinion about a singular officer Martin.



Would it help if I said I believed the officer conducted himself in a manner befitting of a c***?

Confrontational would be calling an officer that in person, which would be a bad idea. On here, you have simply heard my opinion, which is what it is... and is exceedingly unlikely to change unless new facts come to light.



Let him react any way he wants, got to have some entertainment here somewhere :mrgreen:

I like stereotypes, they let me offend whole swathes of the population at once :-D.

Anyway, Martin, you're an old boy, ex-job... I could make all sorts of assumptions about you and the stereotype you fall into, especially considering previous discussions we've had about suspension issues. But, I don't. I'm happy to attack any point you make on it's failings or it's merits, it's not personal, it's a forum... So don't be a c*** :smt042

I suppose only you know why you need to be so abusive, but if it helps you feel better at the expense of others, then there's your problem.

[yorkie_chris]

Care to point out what I have said at the expense of anyone else?

[tom_d]

on a side note, every job/workplace has it's own set of nobheads. Average quota seems to be 15-20% depending on where you work, and unfortunately the police is no different.



+1. Have to work with traffic officers of different types and a small number of them are proper nobs. Its just that they appear to be large nobs because of the job they are carrying out at the time you speak to them.

But anyway, friend of mine got done for 113mph on the M23 overtaking some people. Cops pulled him straight away (good job as he was still accelerating). They were really cool and actually said his riding had been pretty good and quite safe, unfortunately just too quickly. Went to court and the officers actually added into their statements the fact that his riding was in no way unsafe and he had full control etc.
Ending up getting 6 points and £300 fine, but could off been alot worse.

[martin15s]

I believe the term is "I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say".

An officers duty is to protect the public, no? This c*** decided to apply a fine to someone who was already contrite (shown by him stopping rather than nailing it, like I would do) and in my opinion (to which I am entitled...) not letting the person in question go with a stern telling off for carrying out this safe though illegal maneuver was behavior which one might reasonably expect from someone who may be a bit of a c***.



I have no intention of causing myself to have an accident with any stairs ;)

It may be a surprise to you, but in my dealings with the police in general I am in general polite and helpful. You need to separate that from an opinion about a singular officer Martin.



Would it help if I said I believed the officer conducted himself in a manner befitting of a c***?

Confrontational would be calling an officer that in person, which would be a bad idea. On here, you have simply heard my opinion, which is what it is... and is exceedingly unlikely to change unless new facts come to light.



Let him react any way he wants, got to have some entertainment here somewhere :mrgreen:

I like stereotypes, they let me offend whole swathes of the population at once :-D.

Anyway, Martin, you're an old boy, ex-job... I could make all sorts of assumptions about you and the stereotype you fall into, especially considering previous discussions we've had about suspension issues. But, I don't. I'm happy to attack any point you make on it's failings or it's merits, it's not personal, it's a forum... So don't be a c*** :smt042


touche as they say in France - no offence intended - not quite so sure about the old boy

[skidmarx]

Er.. well characterising a policeman for going about his business (when you weren't there so know nothing about it) as a C***, for thinking that a copper should conform to your own personal code of conduct instead of his interpretation of the law, which you then say is something you might reasonably expect of a c***, saying that a forum is not personal and then calling another poster a C*** in the same breath, is all just plain abusive. Using the word C*** as a first and last resort is not only offensive, but shows very little respect for those you don't really know. And I'm not sure why using stereotypes to offend 'whole swathes of the population' is something to be aiming for unless you have either a vastly over inflated sense of your own self, or a misguided sense of humour.

[Bri w]

I suppose only you know why you need to be so abusive, but if it helps you feel better at the expense of others, then there's your problem.

Unless I misread it he inter spaced his post with smilies, which suggested tongue in cheek/humour.

In his original c*** post he said "cop was a c***," not the police in general.

YC's original post was an opinion. His response above was at someone having the 'first' personal pop.

So who cast the first stone?

But hey, I'm just a typical foul mouthed Yorkshire man

[tom_d]

:smt011Oh jesus....way to ruin a thread.

[yorkie_chris]

but shows very little respect for those you don't really know.

Respect is earned.
Being easily offended does not gain any from me.

or a misguided sense of humour.

Yeah, I'm quite a depraved sod anyway. Having a bit of a wind up on an internet forum at the expense of people who take things far too seriously is the least of my sins.

[MisterTommyH]

Unfortunately for me, the traffic cops gave me 3 points and £60 fine for crossing the white line, and another £60 fine for failing to display valid tax disc (vehicle was taxed on computer - I was just awaiting the tax disc in the post, which, ironically enough arrived the next morning around 15 hours after I was pulled).

I dealt with them politely, no bad attitude, straightforward answers and explanations etc... but I felt there was no need to dole out the second £60 fine for no tax disc because it WAS taxed on computer.

Quote taken straight from the back of of the V11 I received this morning:

"If you intend to tax your vehicle, do so before your current tax disc or SORN runs out. If you apply on-line or over the phone in the last few days of this month you will not be committing an offence if you do not display a tax disc for the first five working days of the next month. This is a new law, which gives time for the new tax disc to arrive in the post. This new law only applies if you made your application for a new tax disc before the current one or SORN ran out."

If this was recently I'd see if you can get your money back.

[martin15s]

I was about to add that the view when an officer lets you off with a warning then "he was a good copper", but if you get a fine or a summons, in general, he is a ****. The trouble with trying to comment on any forum such as this is trying to keep the post short enough yet still accurate enough. My comment on those from Yorkshire was based purely on the generally accepted view of being blunt or "straight talking" - I obviously do not conform to the type of some on the forum (police officers include) who feel it is acceptable to call a police officer a ****. I have nothing personal against YC in particular (or of anyone from Yorkshire) other than his choice of words about an officer doing his job. It IS an open forum and a frank exchange of views and opinions must be encouraged but NOT at the cost of crudity and blatant disrespect.

[Milky Bar Kid]

You'll not get your money back if you've paid the ticket. You might have gotten off with it if you had contested the ticket.

[Milky Bar Kid]

I was about to add that the view when an officer lets you off with a warning then "he was a good copper", but if you get a fine or a summons, in general, he is a ****. The trouble with trying to comment on any forum such as this is trying to keep the post short enough yet still accurate enough. My comment on those from Yorkshire was based purely on the generally accepted view of being blunt or "straight talking" - I obviously do not conform to the type of some on the forum (police officers include) who feel it is acceptable to call a police officer a ****. I have nothing personal against YC in particular (or of anyone from Yorkshire) other than his choice of words about an officer doing his job. It IS an open forum and a frank exchange of views and opinions must be encouraged but NOT at the cost of crudity and blatant disrespect.

Now see, where at any point did I say "It is acceptable for someone to call a police officer s c**t"?

I didn't. YC is a well respected, long standing member of the forum. We all know that whilst he shouts and raves and enjoys causing a row on here, in real life there is NO WAY he would actually be as disrespectful as to call an officer a c**t, for a start, he's not that stupid. The point I was trying to make was that when you are on the forum, you need to take somethings like that with a pinch of salt. YC was not criticising the Police or calling all officers in general a ****, he was just saying that he disagreed with his actions. To be honest, as someone who ACTUALLY does the job, I don't find YC's comment there one bit offensive.

I can assure you, if someone was to actually call me a **** on the street, I would not stand for it, DEPENDING on the context. If it was meant in a mischeivious manner I would probably say "oi, less of that" but if it was meant, then they may be finding themselves in a spot of bother.

However, I do find your tone extremely condescending and confrontational and have done on other threads you have posted in.

It is not often that I will post something like this but I think you need to remember a key point, infact two, 1) it's the internet and 2) you are retired.

All respect to you for doing your 30 years, respect is earned from that however, do not patronise others who are still in the job.

[skidmarx]

Respect is earned.
Being easily offended does not gain any from me.



Yeah, I'm quite a depraved sod anyway. Having a bit of a wind up on an internet forum at the expense of people who take things far too seriously is the least of my sins.

'Respect is earned' is the same for most people, myself included, but maybe the difference here is that I don't automatically disrespect because somebody hasn't earned my respect. I would prefer to hold judgement until I have an opinion based on their behaviour over a period of time. Pretty simple really.
A 'bit of a wind up at the expense of people who takes things far too seriously' shows that you are quite happy to conduct yourself with no thought for how another person would feel as you don't know them and therefore it doesn't matter. In my opinion it does.

[MisterTommyH]

You'll not get your money back if you've paid the ticket. You might have gotten off with it if you had contested the ticket.

Now if thats not obtaining cash under false pretences I don't know what is (!)

[martin15s]

Now see, where at any point did I say "It is acceptable for someone to call a police officer s c**t"?

I didn't. YC is a well respected, long standing member of the forum. We all know that whilst he shouts and raves and enjoys causing a row on here, in real life there is NO WAY he would actually be as disrespectful as to call an officer a c**t, for a start, he's not that stupid. The point I was trying to make was that when you are on the forum, you need to take somethings like that with a pinch of salt. YC was not criticising the Police or calling all officers in general a ****, he was just saying that he disagreed with his actions. To be honest, as someone who ACTUALLY does the job, I don't find YC's comment there one bit offensive.

I can assure you, if someone was to actually call me a **** on the street, I would not stand for it, DEPENDING on the context. If it was meant in a mischeivious manner I would probably say "oi, less of that" but if it was meant, then they may be finding themselves in a spot of bother.

However, I do find your tone extremely condescending and confrontational and have done on other threads you have posted in.

It is not often that I will post something like this but I think you need to remember a key point, infact two, 1) it's the internet and 2) you are retired.

All respect to you for doing your 30 years, respect is earned from that however, do not patronise others who are still in the job.

IF I had meant to refer to you directly, then I would have named you - if it comes to being condescending and patronising then you are ACTUALLY doing a fine job yourself.
My comments about the use and acceptance of the word "C***" show just how much standards have dropped both in public and police life. I have no problem with YC or anyone else being a well respected member of the forum - what gives anyone the right on her to publicly denounce a police officer a **** for doing his duty - by all means disagree, but the English language holds many alternatives.

[yorkie_chris]

I would prefer to hold judgement until I have an opinion based on their behaviour over a period of time. Pretty simple really.
A 'bit of a wind up at the expense of people who takes things far too seriously' shows that you are quite happy to conduct yourself with no thought for how another person would feel as you don't know them and therefore it doesn't matter. In my opinion it does.

I judge peoples character by throwing out a bit of bait and see if they bite. This shows whether they've got the brains to see a blatant wind up when smashed right in the gums with one or whether they're humourless and sensitive souls... and thus not worth worrying about.

I see the .org like a group of friends, and a thick skin and a quick wit have always been essentials among my friends. Lest you get the p*ss taken even more for being soft.

[allantheboss]

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/nerd-fight.jpg

[yorkie_chris]

what gives anyone the right on her to publicly denounce a police officer a **** for doing his duty - by all means disagree, but the English language holds many alternatives.

Public denouncement or public statement of opinion? Same thing or not?

Either way, a flippant remark which if you had told me the same tale in person, I would respond in the same way.


Why would one reserve oneself from denouncing a police officer in any way that you would not apply to any other person?

[skidmarx]

I judge peoples character by throwing out a bit of bait and see if they bite. This shows whether they've got the brains to see a blatant wind up when smashed right in the gums with one or whether they're humourless and sensitive souls... and thus not worth worrying about.

I see the .org like a group of friends, and a thick skin and a quick wit have always been essentials among my friends. Lest you get the p*ss taken even more for being soft.
Mmm...people are a bit more complicated than fish I'm afraid, as for brains, then use yours to try getting through the day without using the word C*** for a change. There is nothing wrong with being sensitive, and there is nothing humourous about being being thoughtless.

[yorkie_chris]

Mmm...people are a bit more complicated than fish I'm afraid, as for brains,

then use yours to try getting through the day without using the word C*** for a change.

I wouldn't say people are that complicated, they bite or they don't.
As for the second bit, touche, but a bit of a deviation from your previous argument?

[martin15s]

Public denouncement or public statement of opinion? Same thing or not?

Either way, a flippant remark which if you had told me the same tale in person, I would respond in the same way.


Why would one reserve oneself from denouncing a police officer in any way that you would not apply to any other person?

the "touche" comment was mine and was meant in response to your comment about stereotyping.

Your statement of opinion or a flippant remark are one thing but voicing them in such terms in public are another. Whether you refer to police or anyone else come to that does not have to include the "c" word. What anyone thinks in private is one thing but resort to that kind of language is another. I am neither a prude or sensitive - I am, however, saddened at the complete decline of standards in public - "anything goes" may be alright for a few but I am quite sure that more than a few on the forum, and the public in general would take issue with that. YC, and possibly others, take it a few steps further, when or if you have children would you find it acceptable for your child to come home and say "my teacher was real "c" today, or something in that vein?.
This forum is an excellent meeting place and has so much to offer. Do we have to allow such comments.
Whether you agree or not, I do a sense of humour, enjoy banter and sometimes sarcasm, but what I MIGHT find acceptable in a personal environment does not mean that I should on a public site.
Like I have said I find your technical and mechanical knowledge very interesting. There is a time and a place for that kind of opinion and language but the use of derogatory remarks in that manner (flippant or not) are unnecessary.

[Messie]

Martin15s - this is not your house or front room. If it were you would have every right pull up people for their particlular choice of language and berate them for it. It is a forum that is owned by one person, who delegates the task of maintianing orderly conduct to a few individuals, from a diverse range of backgrounds and experience. So far as I can see none of the forum moderators have seen the need to pull anyone up for the language used on this thread.
Now YC and I have not always seen eye to eye, and I am not the most liberal when it comes to some language use, but I really cannot see why you are getting into such a stew on this issue. YC expressed his views simply as an opinion - not as a behaviour he has or is likely to do to a serving police officer to his/her face. It seems to me at at least one serving PO on this forum has not taken offense. So why a thread praising the police should degenerate into this bad tempered exchange of views is beyond me.
Go and sit outside in the sun of your chosen land and chill out a bit. If the style of this forum is not to your liking, please feel free to contribute to another.

[Milky Bar Kid]

the "touche" comment was mine and was meant in response to your comment about stereotyping.

Your statement of opinion or a flippant remark are one thing but voicing them in such terms in public are another. Whether you refer to police or anyone else come to that does not have to include the "c" word. What anyone thinks in private is one thing but resort to that kind of language is another. I am neither a prude or sensitive - I am, however, saddened at the complete decline of standards in public - "anything goes" may be alright for a few but I am quite sure that more than a few on the forum, and the public in general would take issue with that. YC, and possibly others, take it a few steps further, when or if you have children would you find it acceptable for your child to come home and say "my teacher was real "c" today, or something in that vein?.
This forum is an excellent meeting place and has so much to offer. Do we have to allow such comments.
Whether you agree or not, I do a sense of humour, enjoy banter and sometimes sarcasm, but what I MIGHT find acceptable in a personal environment does not mean that I should on a public site.
Like I have said I find your technical and mechanical knowledge very interesting. There is a time and a place for that kind of opinion and language but the use of derogatory remarks in that manner (flippant or not) are unnecessary.

I find it extremely difficult to stomach you commenting about the standards of todays Police or public when you posted the following in a recent thread:

I've always favoured piano wire set about neck height - actually suggested this to some anti social off road bikers many years ago - they thought I was joking at first but then saw my face and muttered "you rotten bast**d" - come to think of, was I joking?

chill out mate - obviously don't have a sense of (police) humour:cool:

It's hard to find any humor in it when two local chaps to me have been decapited in such a way at the local off road spot.

Yes Police have a black sense of humour but I didn't find that funny.

As I said earlier, one rule for eh Martin?

[Messie]

And very well said MBK!

[Lozzo]

What we seemed to have missed here is the fact that the word C*** as used by YC could be interpreted as one of two choices, the first - and no doubt what YC certainly didn't mean to say because he is a clean living chap ;-) - ends in a T; the second rhymes with ROCK.

Now I don't find anything anything wrong at all with saying someone is a bit of a 'rhymes with ROCK', and I don't know anyone else who would if the person deserved it. However, I find the other word abhorent, and it has no place in any decent person's vocabulary.

[martin15s]

I respect the views of Messie, and have not intended to be bad tempered - my apologies to the site owner and mods if it seems that way.

MBK - your quoted comments of mine were in respect of an entirely different situation (how to stop bike thieves etc) - black humour is somewhat different from the subject at hand and if anyone was offended then I am happy to apologise.
To G I would say that I do not treat death lightly especially as my eldest son was killed by an inexperienced driver.

[Dicky Ticker]

Apparently this site is*****ing u-rated so don't talk like a ***t-----who could possibly object:?::smt045

[Dicky Ticker]

Blink*** twi*

[skidmarx]

Legal to pass a slow moving vehicle though isn't it? Fair enough not a roadsweeper or something but I still say the cop was a c**t.

Lesson, observe the cars around more carefully before doing that again.
Well Lozzo, that answers that one then, but good point...

[Milky Bar Kid]

Apparently this site is*****ing u-rated so don't talk like a ***t-----who could possibly object:?::smt045


DT - you are awesome!

[dizzyblonde]

Meh...YC is an arogant bad mouthed c0ck on this forum, many times over, highly offensive and opinionated to most that don't know him.

Even someone who considers him one of their closest friends, doesn't get treat any differently when in the realms of org land.

Get over it, from another hard talking, opinionated Yorkshire person.

[Milky Bar Kid]

You yorkshire folk are scum ;)


*runs away*

[dizzyblonde]

aaaaaaaaaaaccch shut it blondie, do you want me to argue with you, proper like? ;-)

[yorkie_chris]

Apparently this site is*****ing u-rated so don't talk like a ***t-----who could possibly object:?::smt045

Rofl! :smt082


I didn't. YC is a well respected, long standing member

Are you calling me a c*ck? :p
Actually, can't believe you are defending me, that is one to go down in history!!

You yorkshire folk are scum ;)

*runs away*

:smt079
Your slow h*nda won't get you away quick enough

[Milky Bar Kid]

aaaaaaaaaaaccch shut it blondie, do you want me to argue with you, proper like? ;-)

Am no feert of you DB!! (an feert means scared)

Rofl! :smt082



Are you calling me a c*ck? :p
Actually, can't believe you are defending me, that is one to go down in history!!



:smt079
Your slow h*nda won't get you away quick enough

YC - do not get used to me defending you. It will not happen often! ROFL!!! As for the Honda....well, meh....at least it won't rust away from underneath me...

[missyburd]

Amusing to see that the people who are getting offended by the use of the word C*** repeatedly wrote it in their posts as if it were nothing....

Mmm...people are a bit more complicated than fish I'm afraid
I beg to differ, sharks are most intelligent creatures, how rude :rolleyes:


I thought this thread was in IB for a moment :smt120 Loz, I reckon you just used your charms of flattery to get this cop to let you off, either that or you're just a lucky c*** (colt, clot, cli.... ah never mind :D )

[yorkie_chris]

either that or you're just a lucky c*** (colt, clot, cli.... ah never mind :D )

I'd go with c***. :-dd

[starks]

crab??

[starks]

calf??

[starks]

i cant get the hang of this thread

[Sid Squid]

Your Mod Speaks: Please argue all you like, please don't use naughty words. Even if the object of your ire is indeed a ****. Thank you.

Anyway, back to the point:
unfortunately any plod praise thread turns into a bashing one within a couple of pages.
Would you imagine this is because too many people who use forums are anti police anarchists, those who would fight authority and rule of law at every turn? Or do you think, as I do, that they are a fairly ordinary cross section of society whose experiences with the police have left much to be desired? I was brought up to respect the law, and thus by extension the police - note those are not the same thing, and I'm still in favour of a correctly ordered and lawfully set society in which to live, demographically speaking I'm firmly in the section of society most likely to support the police, yet latterly I cannot do this.
This is the fault of the police en masse, not individually, but those whose attitude to the public is good still fail us when they do not speak out against those who daily let you down.
Unfortunate is a perfect description of the attitude of too many of your colleagues to the public - if this could be improved perhaps there'd be less to 'bash', no?

[skidmarx]

Amusing to see that the people who are getting offended by the use of the word C*** repeatedly wrote it in their posts as if it were nothing....


I beg to differ, sharks are most intelligent creatures, how rude :rolleyes:


I thought this thread was in IB for a moment :smt120 Loz, I reckon you just used your charms of flattery to get this cop to let you off, either that or you're just a lucky c*** (colt, clot, cli.... ah never mind :D )

Indeed the irony is not lost on me, to be clear, I swear like a ***k**G trooper myself and have no problem with it online or in person, except for the C word and a few others, but there is a big difference with attaching a swear word to an inaminate object or something that happened, and charactersing somebody you don't even know as a ....
That sort of thing is just plain bullying imo, and I don't see why I should just let it slide or put up or shut up. It makes no difference if the perpertrator is 'well respected' by others or not, all the more reason for them to talk sense instead of resorting to personal attacks which are beneath them. You live in the world you make, you should challenge it when you don't like what you see.
As for sharks, they're fascinating, but I'd question your use of the word intelligence as you would have to define exactly what you mean by that first....

[missyburd]

As for sharks, they're fascinating, but I'd question your use of the word intelligence as you would have to define exactly what you mean by that first....
Oh golly, yes, they can't pronounce c*** words can they, silly me :rolleyes: lol.

What a pointless argument this has all turned out to be, at the end of the day the bloke being called the c*** is not here to be offended, why are people getting offended for him? :rolleyes:

[dizzyblonde]

I thought he was using the word c*** in a James May sort of way myself.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Oh golly, yes, they can't pronounce c*** words can they, silly me :rolleyes: lol.

What a pointless argument this has all turned out to be, at the end of the day the bloke being called the c*** is not here to be offended, why are people getting offended for him? :rolleyes:

How do you know the sharks can't pronounce C*** words, have you ever asked one???;)

[yorkie_chris]

That sort of thing is just plain bullying imo,

How the bleedin ell can something be bullying when the "victim" is not present or even referred to specifically.

Simply a statement of fact concerning my opinion and nothing more.

from wiki
"Bullying is a form of abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse). It comprises repeated acts over time that involves a real or perceived imbalance of power with the more powerful individual or group abusing those who are less powerful.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying#cite_note-1)"

[Bri w]

How do you know the sharks can't pronounce C*** words, have you ever asked one???;)

Sharks have a lissssp and would end up saying c***********

everyone knows that

[missyburd]

How do you know the sharks can't pronounce C*** words, have you ever asked one???;)
Sharks don't have real lips or vocal cords and are thus incapable of articulating speech as we know it....


Ok...irrelevant I know but ANYTHING to get the topic off ***** and ****s! :smt120

[yorkie_chris]

And back onto coppers... who we all know will have more than the *rse out from under you :-P

[tactcom7]

I would have respected the copper more had he listened to what I had to say and why I did it, rather than start writing the ticket before I'd even took my lid off. Other than the fact I didn't get the chance to plead my
case he was sound enough, decent sense of humour etc. Just one of those experiences I am not keen to repeat anytime soon.

[Lozzo]

To G I would say that I do not treat death lightly especially as my eldest son was killed by an inexperienced driver.

I've brought up three kids as my own whose natural father was killed by a 17 year old driving daddy's Cavalier SRi, so I know some of how you feel, especially as he was a close friend. I've got a great deal of respect for the Police in general, but I have met some right ar5eholes who are meant to be upholding law and order in this country and as such are a disgrace to their uniform. On most occasions though, I have found the police to be well worthy of respect.

[Kirkybhoy]

Don't usually get involved in the in-fighting but I thought this thread was hilarious...YC typical yorkshireman ( could have been called a lot worse;) )
Whilst I don't agree with the general use of the C word being a "civilised jock" I don't particularly get offended by it's use either. Following some of YC's posts I find most of them informative or funny (tongue in cheek ) but can't say i would class any I have read as Bullying...


PS just to get back on topic for a minute Most coppers have good and bad days just like the rest of us and a very small minority can give the majority bad press.:smt022

[Red Herring]

[SIZE=4]
Anyway, back to the point:

Would you imagine this is because too many people who use forums are anti police anarchists, those who would fight authority and rule of law at every turn? Or do you think, as I do, that they are a fairly ordinary cross section of society whose experiences with the police have left much to be desired? I was brought up to respect the law, and thus by extension the police - note those are not the same thing, and I'm still in favour of a correctly ordered and lawfully set society in which to live, demographically speaking I'm firmly in the section of society most likely to support the police, yet latterly I cannot do this.
This is the fault of the police en masse, not individually, but those whose attitude to the public is good still fail us when they do not speak out against those who daily let you down.
Unfortunate is a perfect description of the attitude of too many of your colleagues to the public - if this could be improved perhaps there'd be less to 'bash', no?

In my humble experience most coppers would appreciate being allowed to treat the public with a degree of common sense, however sometimes they are required to do otherwise, usually as a direct result of the "publics" expectations. It's no good asking the police officer to use his discretion to make a decision if you then make a complaint against them if you don't agree with it. All that happens is that they revert to doing things by the book.

[krhall]

I was lucky enough to spend a day with the Police quite recently and can honestly say that the police would prefer to use their discretion where possible. I always imagined everything was by the book, but this is not the case.

A bike went past driving rather quickly, but spotted us, slowed down and moved over. I thought it would've been a tug, but as the rider had shown good awareness and slowed down, he got a look and nothing more.

The same day I saw a biker killed, which as a biker is not nice so you can see why some police are stricter, trust me the whole day was a real eye-opener into what they have to deal with on a daily basis.

The police get a bad rep, but at times they have some real sh1t3 to deal with. Cut them some slack.

[martin15s]

Good morning all - I'm sorry if my posts have taken the thread off course, and that responses have sometimes become a little sharp - to go back, I just wanted to highlight what I believe to be the unnecessary use of the "c" word, and its use in regards to a police officer.

I know that the police have, and always will, needed the respect of the general public in order to effectively do the job. Likewise the police must have respect for the public. The problem mainly seems to arise not in the criminal law arena, but when dealing with road traffic law. It is here that police in general, and in particular traffic officers, come face to face in what can be a confrontational situation. Most drivers are obviously generally law abiding citizens who would never knowingly commit a criminal offence (stealing, burglary etc) but as soon as a motoring offence is under investigation it is often seen as a direct slur on the driver's driving ability.

In my traffic unit in London, we never had a quota - yes, there were certain areas to be targeted due to accidents and other statistics. Officers were free to utilise their discretion as to whether to verbally warn, issue a ticket or report for the consideration to a summons to be given. An experienced traffic officer would be expected during an 8 eight hour tour of duty, to show a "reasonable" return of warnings or tickets to justify his/her existence.

It has been shown here that if the officer gave a warning then he was a "good copper" but as soon as penalty points and a fine become involved then questions are often asked and crude terms sometimes applied.

Being a police officer does mean that you are set apart from the public to some extent. You cannot run with the hare and course with the hounds. We can, and must, all live together and this is where mutual respect is essential.

I realise that being retired I know longer actually do the job, but I still pay my UK taxes, and still have pride in our police, and still have the right to an opinion.

I have dared to voice an opinion - OK it may not be respected by all, but, like others who disagree, it is an opinion. I know we do not live in a "U" rated society but when it comes to the open use of the "c" word and in these circumstances then I just wish to object.

By the way, I am not anti Yorkshire and look forward to visiting friends in Doncaster

When trying to make comments it is not always possible to be brief and be totally clear and unambiguous, so I hope that this post clarifies things somewhat.

[yorkie_chris]

but as soon as a motoring offence is under investigation it is often seen as a direct slur on the driver's driving ability.

I disagree, more a question of priorities. You seen James Mays article saying if he was stopped for not wearing a helmet that must mean the police have recovered his TV :smt082

[yorkie_chris]

It has been shown here that if the officer gave a warning then he was a "good copper" but as soon as penalty points and a fine become involved then questions are often asked and crude terms sometimes applied.

That seems fair.

Two options, one leaves a positive impression of the police and will have just as much effect on preventing a repeat offence as a ticket. The other option won't... and leads to the populace thinking the police are just out there to punish generally law abiding people while chavs and and other ne'er do wells are raising havoc in their neighborhoods.

So tell me, why were some #crude term#s sat in a lay by near my house with a speed gun on a road where it is perfectly safe to do 50mph when there are AT LEAST 5 schools to actually enforce some useful road safety outside WITHIN A MILE? This was at 3 PM during term time FFS.

With stuff like that, are you surprised the job gets a bad name?

Tell you what, you need to back off all this stuff about respect for the job and be thankful for the slender thread of respect the job still hangs onto despite the actions of a significant minority.

[454697819]

this thread is funny..

[cuffy]

Cant be arsed to read every post, looks like Lozzo had a lucky escape, YC has upset some with his use of the C word, others are moaning that they have been nicked for doing something illegal, can't see the problem myself. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Yes you feel pi55ed off for getting caught but at the end of the day it's nobody elses fault apart from your own :rolleyes: Get over it ffs!

Been had twice for speeding, did i question the policemans parentage or call him a ladies garden? Nope! took it on the chin like a man.
Yes, some police are more lenient than others and fair play to them, the ones who aren't are only doing their job. Is that a crime?

[dill89]

Some people are C's, and others aren't. It's the same with every job, but it just so hap penes the police take more flak because they are more involved with the public. Comes with the territory as they should know when applying for the job, so by calling one person a C I don't see why everyone else is taking offence. Freedom of speece etc etc and opinions are just that

[skidmarx]

That seems fair.

Two options, one leaves a positive impression of the police and will have just as much effect on preventing a repeat offence as a ticket. The other option won't... and leads to the populace thinking the police are just out there to punish generally law abiding people while chavs and and other ne'er do wells are raising havoc in their neighborhoods.

So tell me, why were some #crude term#s sat in a lay by near my house with a speed gun on a road where it is perfectly safe to do 50mph when there are AT LEAST 5 schools to actually enforce some useful road safety outside WITHIN A MILE? This was at 3 PM during term time FFS.

With stuff like that, are you surprised the job gets a bad name?

Tell you what, you need to back off all this stuff about respect for the job and be thankful for the slender thread of respect the job still hangs onto despite the actions of a significant minority.

The 'crudeterms's were probably just doing there job, and I've no idea why you think you are able to make strategic decisions on behalf of your local police force, I can only assume that you think you know better. I see no reason to believe that you do however. Still can't go through one day without using the 'crudeterm' eh?#-o
Quality thread tho, Hilarious indeed.

[Paul the 6th]

Your honor, I call to the stand a Mr. Stephen Fry.... :razz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

[appollo1]

having just spent the last 30 minutes or so reading through this thread whilst being rudely interrupted by folk wanting me to do some work.....i cannot believe how the OPs comments praising an officer of the law going about their duty has turned into such a major slanging match.

Well done to the police officer for being lenient to Lozzo and I'm sure you will use the events in a constructive manner when riding so spirited in the future........you lucky person you.

[dizzyblonde]

To add to my first post about being pulled over for anticipating a change of speed from 30 to 50 just as you embark on your way up to a motorway......


.....how would you feel if ....
'yes I know what I did, I take that on the chin'
......
and you are a fine honest fellow, just out for a days sightseeing in a place you haven't been, carrying an exempilary license for over 20yrs.

AND the original excuse for being pulled over is.....hello sir is this your bike? ermmmm yes, here is my license....oh thats ok then, because we pulled you over as we thought it was nicked sir, we don't see many of them round here, we were just about to call in reinforcements, as we thought it was nicked and we'd have had no chance catching you.

......and thats after being followed all the way from your sightseeing trip, doing nothing but the speed limit, and bimbling minding your own business

Wouldn't you feel slightly hacked off that you got a speeding ticket, whilst everyone else zooms past doing the same to get on the motorway, whilst you sit in a police car, wondering why you were stopped....because they thought you'd nicked yer own wheels....

There are many police officers that are good, lenient, and use their discretion, just as many that are complete tw4ts, then there are just plain pillocks, and all and sundry in between, who at the end of the day have a job to do.

[Dicky Ticker]

Cruel, --but everybodys luck runs out sometime