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the_lone_wolf
25-08-10, 07:22 PM
Spare a thought for the consequences of a moment's indiscretion...
http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=67403
Whilst driving today (which I do a lot of!!) I was unfortunate enough to be the witness to an extremely awful and saddening event, and have decided to post about it here, partly as an eye opener, but mainly to get some of it out of my system!!
Driving along a damp dual carriage way I was overtaken by two cars, who had obviously done something to upset each other, one driven by a woman and the other driven by a man. the woman pulled in front of me and then the man in front of her, he then jammed his foot hard on his brakes!!
The lady in front of me did likewise but lost control of her vehicle, clipping the rear nearside of the mans car and sliding sideways off the road and into a tree!!
The lorry in front of us all had obviously been watching what was going on, as I had, and stopped quickly ensuring the man in the car couldn't get by.
Once stopped, I rushed to check the lady in the car was OK, thankfully she was, however, her 2 year old daughter, who received the full brunt of the tree trunk, was, VERY sadly killed instantly!!
The man who had been driving like an idiot got out of his car, quite unconcerned and started shouting at the woman that she shouldn't have cut him up, but his mood changed quite rapidly when I told him about the little girl, he instantly went into shock, and then tried to kill HIMSELF by jumping over the barrier, luckily I managed to rugby tackle him to the ground in the outside lane of the dual carriage way where I had to sit on him until the Police arrived (lucky I'm a big bloke!!)
A young death over an unfortunate piece of driving!!
So I guess you should spare a thought for that poor woman, who had her child killed because she cut somebody up.
I guess you should spare a thought for her husband, who probably kissed his little girl good bye this morning, gave her a hug, maybe played about with her, not realising he would never do those things ever again.
I guess you should spare a though for the man in the car, who's life will never be the same because he got so aggressive.
And, selfishly, I guess you should spare a thought for me, who, as a father with a 3 year old daughter, will never get the images out of his mind of this senseless waste of human life, and who will probably have nightmares about it for months.
Life can be cut short in a nano second, are all the petty squabbles and falling out really worth it?? shouldn't we all just go back to being friends with on another?? after all, we may be gone tomorrow!!
And if somebody cuts you up, just let it go, or you could be the that man in the car!!
Remember, there are no good drivers, just drivers that think they are good!!
If you went to the trouble of reading this, thank you for your time and patience, and thanks for letting me vent onto you!!
Larry
:smt085:smt085:smt085
davepreston
25-08-10, 07:38 PM
feck me thats a heart ripper
wattyfred89
25-08-10, 07:50 PM
:(
hongman
25-08-10, 07:55 PM
Speechless.
ChrisSV
25-08-10, 08:15 PM
:(:(
andrewsmith
25-08-10, 08:20 PM
:(:(:(:(:(:(
minimorecambe
25-08-10, 08:26 PM
:( Poor little girl, so innocent :(
When I was in my 20's I used to suffer form road rage. In a country with little discipline on the road it felt like the only way to drive. There was a moment when I almost killed myself, my wife and my sister-in-law. This changed the way I drive forever. I guess I was very lucky to be given a second chance and I am grateful for that.
I very much admire the traffic in the UK and I consider it one of the most disciplined and safe in europe. Still, tragedies like this happen everywhere and they are a sad reminder of what could happen in a nano-second of pure selfishness.
timwilky
25-08-10, 08:40 PM
Sounds like somebody has invented a story. I doubt there is a word of fact.
A story like that would be all over the press. the original on the mg site is stamped about 20 past 5. Plenty of time for the press to have picked it up.
Invented or not, the message remains valid.
the_lone_wolf
25-08-10, 08:50 PM
Sounds like somebody has invented a story. I doubt there is a word of fact.
A story like that would be all over the press. the original on the mg site is stamped about 20 past 5. Plenty of time for the press to have picked it up.
I've known fatals that have taken more than a week to hit the press
Obviously well established member posting complete BS out of the blue? Possible but highly unlikely IMO
timwilky
25-08-10, 09:14 PM
OK, I will stump up fifty quid to hovis's Velindre charity if it turns out to be 100% genuine
beabert
25-08-10, 09:44 PM
I agree timwilky, it would be horrible if true, but ill also stump up your £50 if its true. :-)
Whitehouse
25-08-10, 10:39 PM
true or not, the point of its still right, some people can take things too far and the consequences are life changing!
tigersaw
25-08-10, 10:45 PM
Reading the whole thread we get this:
I have unfortunately seen the damage done to both sides in this tragic sad event.
I have acted as a Family Liason Officer for the bereaved. The fact that a young child has passed makes it yet more tragic and poignant.
The family will never be the same. The 25th August for ever more will be an awful day and as for Birthdays and Christmas......
I have also prepared case papers for several cases of Death by Dangerous Driving which I suspect will arise here. Another family affected in what inevitably will result in a custodial sentence.
There are others affected too. Lets not forget the OP who has shared this tragic event with us. Thank you for that. I hope this is the first step in your coping mechanism kicking in.
Also the members of the emergency services. No matter how much it is part of the job, I can assure you every one stays with us.
lukemillar
25-08-10, 11:15 PM
OK, I will stump up fifty quid to hovis's Velindre charity if it turns out to be 100% genuine
Just give the money anyway.
Seems a bit heartless to wave 50 quid in the air to a charity, but will only give it if you are proven wrong.
25th August is also a sad day for me - it's the day in 1993 that my inherited kids' real dad died in a car crash caused by a 17 year old in his dad's Cavalier. Mark was an old biking mate of mine as well.
Mark was driving at no more than 60 in a national speed limit when his car was hit head on by the Cavalier. The young driver wasn't a hooligan, he was by all accounts a decent lad, a venture scout and volunteer at a few projects who'd recently passed his test and his dad trusted him enough to bring the car home in one bit. His problem was trying to keep his friend's XR3i in sight and overtaking 3 vehicles in one go on a road with a slight left hand bend. It didn't help that he also suffered from then undiagnosed night blindness and didn't see Mark's car or the one in front of that because the light conditions at 9pm on an August evening weren't the best.
A moment's foolishness that cost the life of a 29 year old father of three - the youngest of which was only 4 months old - and left a young widow to bring them up.
It certainly reeled my driving in a bit.
Sounds like somebody has invented a story. I doubt there is a word of fact.
A story like that would be all over the press. the original on the mg site is stamped about 20 past 5. Plenty of time for the press to have picked it up.
wow please man spare a thought!
even if this is the aftermath of a troubled person.
who gives a s#!t about your money you wreches I hope tragedy changes your lives.
sorry org but I really can't believe this reaction.
sorry org but I really can't believe this reaction.
Don't worry Smudgemeister, no one will p!55 on your chips for caring
Bri mate I'm shocked to the core and I have had lots of friends die with IED's in the so called war but really these guys need culling.
beabert
25-08-10, 11:39 PM
who gives a s#!t about your money you wreches I hope tragedy changes your lives.
Nice! you wrench,
It is a terrible story i agree.
gruntygiggles
25-08-10, 11:40 PM
Don't be sorry smudge.
If you're going to give money if you're proven wrong....give it anyway, I don't understand statements like that.
Not every story like this makes the press. Unfortunatley, some of the worst never do, because the press wants a story....witness accounts, victim statements and so on and not everyone wants to do this.
In a village called Llanvair Discoed on the A48 between Chepstow and Newport, about 10 years back, maybe more...a woman answered the door to two 12 year old friends of her son, she was wearing her dressing gown and they started by saying she looked hot. They left after they had both raped her and stabbed her, leaving her for dead. She didn't die immediately, she died about 4 hours later....on her own because her son was in school where the other two should have been and Llanvair Discoed is a village that has no shops or anything really. It is on an old army base and is one straight road with 20ish houses going up each side. She couldn't phone for help because she couldn't even crawl to the phone.
Did this ever make the press? No. Not even locally. Not even a mention in the South Wales Argus because the family didn't want to talk, they didn't want anyone knowing and so...it's known only to those that knew the family and friends of the family. The woman was the wife of my Brother-in-laws best friend.
Stories like this mean that someone goes to court, which means it's in the public domain...but the reporters will only pick the stories up IF they can get something newsworthy out of it. If no-one is willing to talk, they won't always bother. Also...if we heard about every one of these stories, we would be in a constant state of depression, they happen every day, all over the country, so thank your lucky stars they are not happening to you right now.
If you want to donate to Hovis' charity, do it.....for him.....not because you've been proven wrong and that is more of a plea than anything. I won't judge the statements of others, we are all entitled to our own opinions and you all think what you think as you are free to do so....I very rarely think less of people over what they may write on an internet forum. I'm lucky enough to know a lot of the people behind the posts and so know how wonderful they are.
Please though, don't be too quick to assume. I've been questioned on the deaths in my family by someone on this very forum and it's sickening. These things do happen....spare a thought and learn a lesson....whether this particular story is true or not!
Sometimes when you walk into a pub and see someone being a cynic, maybe even one of your mates, you grab your pint and go and sit with your other mates. And when they find themselves sat on their own they'll get the message.
I think Lukemiller's post is a good one.
gruntygiggles
25-08-10, 11:42 PM
who gives a s#!t about your money you wreches I hope tragedy changes your lives.
I get what you're saying Smudge, I really do.....but tragedy is something you should not even wish on your worst enemy.
please step in mods or at least John(admin) this is not what our family is about!
gruntygiggles
25-08-10, 11:58 PM
It's an emotive subject, just remember that we all deal with our different emotions in different ways.
please guys I know a lot of people are bored with there lives so why not help save others it will give you a sence of Purpose.
Fair enough, but no U rating has been broken and so mods will be put in a difficlut position as they'd be asked to censor peoples opinions, which is not something anyone has the right to do. It could be more useful keeping the thread open and appealing to the better nature, rather than reacting by wishing tragedy upon people. That is not a nice thing...it is I hope, a knee jerk reaction. Two wrongs don't make a right.
I fully understand why you feel the way you do...but none of us have the right to censor the views of others, we can just make our feelings known, preferably not by wishing harm on anyone.
+1
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 12:00 AM
s#!t your too quick for me please delete this please.
You need to...lol, I already did! You quoted it, so you'll have to edit your post :-)
please step in mods or at least John(admin) this is not what our family is about!
Sorry old bean, but this is a motorcycle forum, and while I like and respect a fair few of the posters, they aren't my family in any sense of the word. I don't hold with all this "we're all brothers" bollox, because that's just what it is - bollox. I have my own family, and I wouldn't want them to meet an awful lot of the motorcyclists I know.
I see both sides of the coin in this thread because the lives of my inherited kids have been irreversibly changed by tragedy, but ... there are so many unbelieveable spoof stories like this one floating around the internet that I've become almost de-tragedied by the volume of them. It's almost like being charitied-out, as in you see so much tragedy, suffering and desperation on tv that it no longer shocks you enough into giving anything any more.
When I see some positive proof of the story, then I'll believe it, but even then I don't know the families concerned so I'm going to find it very difficult to give much more of a monkey's than I do right now.
I'm not a harsh or hard person, I'm a realist
Done! I'm far too compassionate.
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 12:08 AM
Sorry old bean, but this is a motorcycle forum, and while I like and respect a fair few of the posters, they aren't my family in any sense of the word. I don't hold with all this "we're all brothers" bollox, because that's just what it is - bollox. I have my own family, and I wouldn't want them to meet an awful lot of the motorcyclists I know.
I see both sides of the coin in this thread because the lives of my inherited kids have been irreversibly changed by tragedy, but ... there are so many unbelieveable spoof stories like this one floating around the internet that I've become almost de-tragedied by the volume of them. It's almost like being charitied-out, as in you see so much tragedy, suffering and desperation on tv that it no longer shocks you enough into giving anything any more.
When I see some positive proof of the story, then I'll believe it, but even then I don't know the families concerned so I'm going to find it very difficult to give much more of a monkey's than I do right now.
I'm not a harsh or hard person, I'm a realist
KNow exactly what you're saying Lozzo. I get the same emails about things like this now that I was getting 5+ years ago and I delete those without reading as despite initial truths, have become virals now.
I do however think that it's wrong to automatically assume things...any things, assumption is rarely a good thing, but is sometimes understandable. It's understandable in this case, however, at the same time, I feel that things like this do carry a message that can do some good, so don't see the point in losing that message for the point of being proven right or wrong if ya know what I mean.
Sorry old bean, but this is a motorcycle forum, and while I like and respect a fair few of the posters, they aren't my family in any sense of the word. I don't hold with all this "we're all brothers" bollox, because that's just what it is - bollox. I have my own family, and I wouldn't want them to meet an awful lot of the motorcyclists I know.
I see both sides of the coin in this thread because the lives of my inherited kids have been irreversibly changed by tragedy, but ... there are so many unbelieveable spoof stories like this one floating around the internet that I've become almost de-tragedied by the volume of them. It's almost like being charitied-out, as in you see so much tragedy, suffering and desperation on tv that it no longer shocks you enough into giving anything any more.
When I see some positive proof of the story, then I'll believe it, but even then I don't know the families concerned so I'm going to find it very difficult to give much more of a monkey's than I do right now.
I'm not a harsh or hard person, I'm a realist
I could never become desensortised to this sorry but i care far too much for all of you i do take back what i said about wishing more harm it's just that i needed to see what i've seen for me to change and i hope people can gain empathy through observation only most need a kick up the arris and some experiance to find out we are all in the same boat.
Lozzo I hope someone is there for you someday to restore your faith in human kind as i surround myself with true freinds like this. we are out there if you need us all bullcrap aside.
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 12:22 AM
I could never become desensortised to this sorry but i care far too much for all of you i do take back what i said about wishing more harm it's just that i needed to see what i've seen for me to change and i hope people can gain empathy through observation only most need a kick up the arris and some experiance to find out we are all in the same boat.
I hear ya, but in truth, very few of us on the forum know eachother well enough to know everything about each other...so we have no way of knowing what experience others have or haven't had.
I could list what's happened in my family and I'd be very justified in saying it's been an horrific 15 years....but it's not for me to say that it's been worse than anyone elses if you know what I mean...because I don't know what others have been through and so the assumtion that I've had it worse would be very naive.
We're all different and what is right for one is wrong for another...but both can be understood if we allow ourselves to open up a little.
I have no wife n kids so the only thing i can protect is my freinds. I don't need to know you as I know me and I am you.
Lozzo I hope someone is there for you someday to restore your faith in human kind as i surround myself with true freinds like this. we are out there if you need us all bullcrap aside.
What bullcrap? I can only see it coming from one direction right now.
I have every faith in mankind and am full of symathy and empathy for those who have truly suffered. I don't need it from people I don't know and who don't know me. I have true friends, I can count them on the fingers of one hand, and that's all I want. They are friends I've had for decades and we've seen each other through thick and thin, good and bad times. We've lost mates through bike and car crashes, conflicts and illness, so we know what it's like and we support each other when tragedy strikes.
You're not the only one to have seen and experienced tragedy, but some of us have been awake enough to the real world to realise that if it doesn't directly affect you then there's no point in getting worked up about it.
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 12:34 AM
but some of us have been awake enough to the real world to realise that if it doesn't directly affect you then there's no point in getting worked up about it.
It's called self preservation....as I said in an earlier post, we'd be constantly depressed if we knew all the bad stuff. It's better to shut out that which you are unable to offer any help with as it leaves you free to concentrate your caring and efforts to those close, the ones you can actually help.
I feel bad when I hear horrible stories like this one, I feel compassion and empathy...but I won't let myself get over emotional about it because I'd rather concentrate those emotions of the people that are in my life and that I can be there for...as they will, in turn, be there for me.
think like a mother Lozzo, I maybe an old Hippy at heart but I know enough to know we all feel.
I can't kill a fly these days as i can imagine and empathize what it is going through.
If i can give compfort to a stranger then I can give compfert to myself which is the hardest thing for me.
without saying too much i can love my brother easier than i can love myself.
Smudge - go to bed man, you're either p1ssed or someone's sold you some bad weed.
lol, if we meet then you'll understand i do care more for my friends than myself.
I can understand this being wierd but ask Dizzy she gets the reason i want to give back to cleanse my soul.
to love is not a weekness its an opening to the soul.
i like these soul searching posts. brings a tear to my eye every time.
i like these soul searching posts. brings a tear to my eye every time.
have faith young padawan for love is here and it's a love without no bounds!
i'll be hated for this. but who cares and get in line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPcsMMEMbfw&feature=related
I have tasted for the love that dwells within and see it come to it's fruition i will.
wooohooo
can i have some of what your on smudge...
or is it a case of, i used to be all messed up on drugs now i'm all messed up on the lord.
i'd love to stay and get all philosophical but i have to go tend to my disabled wife so excuse me for not giving a rats arzzz about some silly cow loosing her kid in a car accident.
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 01:12 AM
Well, I'm not a mod....only had that privilage in the AR10 section....but think we should maybe keep this thread to discussion on the topic and not fill it with posts of one liners that are not directly related.
what a lovely place to end this horrible thread, with peace and love.
I wish all involved in this accident to be free'd of slavery to this insecure world for you are the destiny of yourself and love and peace will follow you to your special place my father my brother my mother my child and i hope to compfert you when i reach your harbour of safe enloving.
beabert
26-08-10, 02:55 AM
lol, if we meet then you'll understand i do care more for my friends than myself.
So do i mate.
metalangel
26-08-10, 05:20 AM
there are so many unbelieveable spoof stories like this one floating around the internet that I've become almost de-tragedied by the volume of them. It's almost like being charitied-out, as in you see so much tragedy, suffering and desperation on tv that it no longer shocks you enough
When I see some positive proof of the story, then I'll believe it, but even then I don't know the families concerned so I'm going to find it very difficult to give much more of a monkey's than I do right now.
I'm not a harsh or hard person, I'm a realist
This. If I'm going to feel bad about something, it won't be because I was guilted or pressured into it.
I'm sorry if this view offends you, smudge.
:smt082:smt082 A Rover 75 forum :smt082:smt082
dizzyblonde
26-08-10, 07:49 AM
ooo this thread got all Buddhist and hippy rolled into one eh:smt120
There is plenty of these sorts of posts on emails and forums everywhere. Just there to remind us about life. Some people it hurts reading in ways others don't understand, some it just doesn't interest as they have read it all before, or they've suffered it personally and they block it.
Meh Smudge really does care about so many, he don't have much, yeah he might have found some strange sweeties in mr Bens shop, or the whiskey bottle last night, but tell you what, you lot might not know him too much, if at all, but hes a big soft teddy bear with a heart of gold, can garantee he'd almost certainly be there in any way he could, if you needed him, just to make a small difference to your day.
Don't be so hard, here have some cake.....:p
timwilky
26-08-10, 08:04 AM
Blinking heck, did I disturb the karma of the org by saying I think somebody on the Rover 75 site is generating male bovine excreta.
Yes, I will give to Hovis's charity if I am proved wrong. We call it putting your money where your mouth is.
:lol: this thread is probably the most entertaing i have read on this forum for a very long time, Bunny cuddling hippys getting worked up because some people did not thing a tragic tale was true and offered to put their money where their mouths are.
this thread is a ****ing classic :rofl:
missyburd
26-08-10, 08:53 AM
I lost my rag once. I was waving it like they do in the Railway Children and the wind clear blew it out of my grasp. Such a poor do.
On a serious note, very touching OP that. Amazing how the thread has derailed...oh wait a minute, no it's not, this always happens :rolleyes:
I couldn't care less if that OP was true or not, the point is it very well might have happened at some point in someone's life, fair enough, maybe not under quite the same circumstances but it's still a feasible tale. I hope it wasn't true as I couldn't imagine what that woman must feel :(
Dicky Ticker
26-08-10, 08:58 AM
Answering the title of the post,YES,big time------When the red mist descends I now try and walk away due to the fact that on previous occasions it has got me in to serious trouble
http://www.bizarreknits.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/bagshoes.jpg
metalangel
26-08-10, 10:04 AM
Unrelated but awfully similar:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2573033.stm
Mr Millar signalled to move into the inside lane but was prevented from doing so by Watt.
He increased his speed to between 70mph and 80mph and pulled into the inside lane ahead of Watt who then overtook him and pulled in front.
He braked causing Mr Millar to brake as well.
Over some six miles Watt buzzed the family saloon overtaking and braking in front of it each time Mr Millar tried to accelerate out of trouble.
The last time Watt drove in front of the Millar family their car went out of control and spun off the motorway. All the family were injured but the youngest son, Robbie, died
Milky Bar Kid
26-08-10, 11:03 AM
Can't believe I missed this last night! Anyway, true or not, still serves as a reminder not to get involved with that kinda nonsense on the road.
Bluefish
26-08-10, 11:29 AM
Hey wolfy started it all, burn him.
OMG! I've just cringed my way through this thread again i really should unplug the cable when i have a drink.
still at least I'm not an angry drunk.
Shellywoozle
26-08-10, 03:27 PM
Red mist is a bad bad thing ...... good post and a thought provoking one at that !
the_lone_wolf
26-08-10, 03:40 PM
OMG! I've just cringed my way through this thread again i really should unplug the cable when i have a drink.
still at least I'm not an angry drunk.
Where do I claim my prize for correctly guessing?;)
Now everybody, calm the **** down and have a :grouphug:
gruntygiggles
26-08-10, 03:56 PM
:grouphug:
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9086/wwgihugtree.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/wwgihugtree.jpg/)
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9086/wwgihugtree.jpg (http://img835.imageshack.us/i/wwgihugtree.jpg/)
Orgazmic that looks as good as climbing the gym ropes at school ooo funny nice pain.
SoulKiss
26-08-10, 06:03 PM
Sounds like somebody has invented a story. I doubt there is a word of fact.
A story like that would be all over the press. the original on the mg site is stamped about 20 past 5. Plenty of time for the press to have picked it up.
I agree timwilky, it would be horrible if true, but ill also stump up your £50 if its true. :-)
I'm with these two - reads exactly like one of those yank bleeding heart stories that have a kernel of truth, but then some do-gooder turns the sympathy up to 11 and thinks that we should all change our lives to fit their model - they are usually the kind that put the mental into fundamental if you get my meaning
Remember the one about helmets saving your lives that showed a rider embedded in the back of a truck in the States, that claimed he lived - then the truth came out that he had been killed and he and the bike had been dragged half a mile until another vehicle stopped the truck?
who gives a s#!t about your money you wreches I hope tragedy changes your lives.
Ohhh looks like a bit of internet forum rage - watch out - there may be some 2 year olds that your cruel, vindictive words causes to cry - or maybe Jeebus will kill a kitten....
Biker Biggles
26-08-10, 07:39 PM
Ive eaten all my popcorn.Is this all over now or should I get some more?
El Saxo
26-08-10, 07:48 PM
or maybe Jeebus will kill a kitten....
...or throw one in a bin. ;)
I'll get me coat...
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