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Just watched two traffic officers pull over a couple of middle aged blokes on R1s who were riding a bit quick in a 40 limit. They were polite, pulled over and took off helmets etc and admitted they might have been going a bit faster than 40 but the following cops couldn't give a definitive speed so didn't book them for that offence. They did mention an undertake on a dual carriageway that one officer said was "verging on Dangerous Driving", I don't think that officer realises that undertaking per se isn't illegal and ought to read his law books a bit more closely. However, they did have small plates and put their hands up to it.
Next on the list was the exhausts - one was a Yoshi and the other a Wolf, both had quiet baffles in and weren't loud, but the coppers gave them each a ticket because they weren't BS or E marked. Try as I might I can't find an E mark anywhere on my standard Kawasaki exhaust, so why the hell should they expect to see one on an aftermarket one?
That is taking things a bit too far in my opinion and doesn't help the police to make friends amongst road users of any kind.
Specialone
30-08-10, 12:07 AM
Just watched two traffic officers pull over a couple of middle aged blokes on R1s who were riding a bit quick in a 40 limit. They were polite, pulled over and took off helmets etc and admitted they might have been going a bit faster than 40 but the following cops couldn't give a definitive speed so didn't book them for that offence. They did mention an undertake on a dual carriageway that one officer said was "verging on Dangerous Driving", I don't think that officer realises that undertaking per se isn't illegal and ought to read his law books a bit more closely. However, they did have small plates and put their hands up to it.
Next on the list was the exhausts - one was a Yoshi and the other a Wolf, both had quiet baffles in and weren't loud, but the coppers gave them each a ticket because they weren't BS or E marked. Try as I might I can't find an E mark anywhere on my standard Kawasaki exhaust, so why the hell should they expect to see one on an aftermarket one?
That is taking things a bit too far in my opinion and doesn't help the police to make friends amongst road users of any kind.
Im watching that now, that cop couldnt do them for what he wanted so resorted to anything he could think of.
That said thats why i dont bother with small plates, it attracts the wrong attention imo.
I would argue the can one tbh, whose to say the mark hasnt been polished out, my old scorpian one got very faint after a few polishes with autosol.
hongman
30-08-10, 12:08 AM
I'm interested in the undertaking bit. Thought it was illegal. Also always wondered what variable constitutes a pass in lane vs undertake.
Sorry for the slight derail.
Supervox
30-08-10, 12:31 AM
Im watching that now, that cop couldnt do them for what he wanted so resorted to anything he could think of.
That said thats why i dont bother with small plates, it attracts the wrong attention imo.
I would argue the can one tbh, whose to say the mark hasnt been polished out, my old scorpian one got very faint after a few polishes with autosol.
AIUI that could get you in more trouble than just having an unmarked can - I believe it can be construed as "Fraud" or "Perverting the course of justice".
I'm not sure of the maximum punishments for these offences - but I'm sure it's a damn site more than a rectification notice or a few quid fine !!
If you ride with an illegal can / small plate / non-standard visor then just accept that if you get stopped by the police they can nick you; if that bothers you, then keep the bike & yourself legal - we all have that choice don't we ?
And if you ride over the speed limit expect to be pulled over.
I completely agree with your sentiments Lozzo but if you don't break the law you wont get prosecuted.
Whether you agree with the law or not you have to obey it just as the copper has to uphold it.
Specialone
30-08-10, 07:10 AM
AIUI that could get you in more trouble than just having an unmarked can - I believe it can be construed as "Fraud" or "Perverting the course of justice".
I'm not sure of the maximum punishments for these offences - but I'm sure it's a damn site more than a rectification notice or a few quid fine !!
If you ride with an illegal can / small plate / non-standard visor then just accept that if you get stopped by the police they can nick you; if that bothers you, then keep the bike & yourself legal - we all have that choice don't we ?
I wasnt saying on my post i delibrately doctored mine, the opposite, mine was road legal, thats the only one i would fit tbh, i cant be ar5ed with the hassle hence why i have a legal plate, visor and original can (for now).
My point was even the road legal cans can be hard to confirm this if they have been polished a number of times.
Specialone
30-08-10, 07:13 AM
And if you ride over the speed limit expect to be pulled over.
I completely agree with your sentiments Lozzo but if you don't break the law you wont get prosecuted.
Whether you agree with the law or not you have to obey it just as the copper has to uphold it.
Sorry Lenny thats not always true either, Flameboy believed he was abiding by the law with his supplied 33hp restrictor, but they decided to try and prosecute him anyway.
Fabricated offences do happen im afraid, that said, i have broken the speed limit and got a reprieve so has balanced out in my experience.
Next on the list was the exhausts - one was a Yoshi and the other a Wolf, both had quiet baffles in and weren't loud, but the coppers gave them each a ticket because they weren't BS or E marked. Try as I might I can't find an E mark anywhere on my standard Kawasaki exhaust, so why the hell should they expect to see one on an aftermarket one?
You bike doesn't need an E mark - see here (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/vehicles/vssafety/regulationsforpoweredtwoandt4564).
(d) Exhausts - on motorcycles first used on or after 1 January 1985 the silencer which forms part of the exhaust system must be either:
(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-
-the relevant BS marking BS AU 193/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T3; or
-the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with EC Directive 89/235; or the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with Chapter 9 of EC Directive 97/24; or
-the name or trade mark of the manufacturer or marked with that manufacturer's part number - relating to it.
Amplimator
30-08-10, 08:53 AM
AIUI that could get you in more trouble than just having an unmarked can - I believe it can be construed as "Fraud" or "Perverting the course of justice".
Im sorry thats ********. If the owner had accidently half polished out a 'not for road use' then id agree totally. But a half polished out e-mark? In what way would that be perverting the course of justice? The can was legal anyways.
I always thought that 'not for road use' cans didnt come with baffles/DB killers and road use cans did (remove baffles at your own risk on legal cans tho)
Is this not the case?
I'm not sure of the maximum punishments for these offences - but I'm sure it's a damn site more than a rectification notice or a few quid fine !!
If you ride with an illegal can / small plate / non-standard visor then just accept that if you get stopped by the police they can nick you; if that bothers you, then keep the bike & yourself legal - we all have that choice don't we ?
I agree with this totally. But Lozzo's point still stands. Legal or not if they are in a bad mood an wanna nick ya for summit they will. Its your word against theirs. Right or wrong. They didnt like the guys on their bikes so they wanted to do 'em. And due to no proof of speeding (else they would have issued a ticket), and the undertaking (not breaking the law unless dangerous) they started nit-picking.
Face it they were bored and had nothing better to do.
hongman
30-08-10, 08:56 AM
and the undertaking (not breaking the law unless dangerous)
Now I wont feel so bad undertaking these ****'s sitting at 60mph in the fast lane when the other 2 lanes are emtpy.
Icanopit
30-08-10, 09:05 AM
The issue of of the "markings" was sent into question when the OFFICER stated that his daughter could have made a better job of engraving the marks?
They measured the Reg plate numbers SO many times I think they could not decide whether they were measuring in Imperial or Metric, the riders had already owned up to the fact that the plates could be of incorrect format.
It just came across that a prosecution was forthcoming IRRELEVENT of the cooperation of the riders.
JOHN
Supervox
30-08-10, 10:41 AM
Im sorry thats ********. If the owner had accidently half polished out a 'not for road use' then id agree totally. But a half polished out e-mark? In what way would that be perverting the course of justice? The can was legal anyways.
Before you type ******** you might want to check around !! See HERE (http://thames-valley-region.mag-uk.org/Pages/exhaust_legal.htm)for advice on the subject by MAG. Now, whatever you think of them as an organisation they tend to pretty good with facts !
I always thought that 'not for road use' cans didnt come with baffles/DB killers and road use cans did (remove baffles at your own risk on legal cans tho)
Is this not the case?
I had a pair of Micron race cans that were stamped not for road use on the end but had baffles in them - even with baffles they were still above the legal limit but the baffles brought them within most track noise limits - or so I was told !!
I agree with this totally. But Lozzo's point still stands. Legal or not if they are in a bad mood an wanna nick ya for summit they will. Its your word against theirs. Right or wrong.
They didnt like the guys on their bikes so they wanted to do 'em.
And by having illegal bits of kit it only makes things easier for them.
And due to no proof of speeding (else they would have issued a ticket), and the undertaking (not breaking the law unless dangerous) they started nit-picking.
I have been told by police officers several times that the only time it's legal to undertake if you're riding in the inside lane & the traffic is moving more quickly than that in the outside lane (within the speed limit of course) - any other manoeuvre can be construed as Dangerous Driving
Face it they were bored and had nothing better to do.
Quite probably but people still make it easier for them. Now, I've been guilty of all of these at one time or another - my only point is that if you choose to break or fracture the law be prepared to take the consequences !
yorkie_chris
30-08-10, 10:46 AM
If you ride with an illegal can / small plate / non-standard visor then just accept that if you get stopped by the police they can nick you; if that bothers you, then keep the bike & yourself legal - we all have that choice don't we ?
An aftermarket can with the baffle in?
That's a case of the cops being a pair of c***s getting the figures up, like lozzo says, not conducive to making friends with the public.
When you buy a slip on I bet you they say it's legal with the baffle in.
The issue of of the "markings" was sent into question when the OFFICER stated that his daughter could have made a better job of engraving the marks?
They measured the Reg plate numbers SO many times I think they could not decide whether they were measuring in Imperial or Metric, the riders had already owned up to the fact that the plates could be of incorrect format.
It just came across that a prosecution was forthcoming IRRELEVENT of the cooperation of the riders.
JOHN
Reagrdless of whether the exhaust baffle was marked with a badly engraved BS mark or whatever, it wasn't loud enough to warrant a conviction - it was a baffle fitted to the race can to bring the noise down to an acceptable level, so any decent copper would have realised the guy wasn't an anti-social hooligan and ignored it.
Irrespective of this, you do not have to have an E mark or BS mark on an aftermarket can anyway, as long as the noise level is no more than a similar model bike of similar age fitted with a good condition standard exhaust. That's how the law defines loudness for aftermarket silencers.
As Specialone stated, the coppers were out for whatever convictions they could get, no matter how tenuous. Playing up to the cameras in my opinion.
yorkie_chris
30-08-10, 12:47 PM
Irrespective of this, you do not have to have an E mark or BS mark on an aftermarket can anyway,
For the MOT I know this is true, but does the same apply for construction and use law that they give you ticket for breaching?
Any copper that has to resort to bringing up Construction and Use regs to secure a conviction for something like a quiet exhaust not having an E mark doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
jonny.boyd
30-08-10, 12:50 PM
(d) Exhausts - on motorcycles first used on or after 1 January 1985 the silencer which forms part of the exhaust system must be either:
(i) that with which the machine was first fitted; or
(ii) clearly and indelibly marked with :-
-the relevant BS marking BS AU 193/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T2, BS AU 193a, 1990/T3; or
-the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with EC Directive 89/235; or the relevant "e" marking to show compliance with Chapter 9 of EC Directive 97/24; or
-the name or trade mark of the manufacturer or marked with that manufacturer's part number - relating to it..
So according to the above so long as my exhaust has the manufacturers name or trademark on it and isn't above a certain dB then i'm fine?
Dicky Ticker
30-08-10, 12:52 PM
Irrespective of this, you do not have to have an E mark or BS mark on an aftermarket can anyway, as long as the noise level is no more than a similar model bike of similar age fitted with a good condition standard exhaust. That's how the law defines loudness for aftermarket silencers.
Not quite how I translate the construction and use regs
If it is original manufacturer equipment as fitted when new and less than 82dB no stamp necessary
Any road legal aftermarket can from 1991 must have E-EU or BS markings and be within the 82dB limit.
I would presume that the police are working from these regulations to obtain any prosecutions
yorkie_chris
30-08-10, 12:53 PM
Any copper that has to resort to bringing up Construction and Use regs to secure a conviction for something like a quiet exhaust not having an E mark doesn't deserve to wear the uniform.
Indeed.
What were they doing, 42mph? If they were able to actually catch the guys then they can't have been doing much wrong worth stopping them for :smt082
So according to the above so long as my exhaust has the manufacturers name or trademark on it and isn't above a certain dB then i'm fine?
Correct - you don't need a BS or E mark as long as the manufacturer has his name or trademark on the exhaust. So theoretically, both lads on last night's programme were within the law because both silencers showed the manufacturer's name clearly. The copper mentioned the words Yoshimura and Wolf after quickly looking at the pipes, so it's obvious that both were marked.
It never ceases to amaze me just how ill-informed some traffic coppers are when it comes to things like this. This is their job, they are meant to know the law regarding such things. In any other profession they'd be disciplined or sacked for getting it wrong repeatedly and not learning how to do their job correctly.
Amplimator
30-08-10, 01:02 PM
Before you type ******** you might want to check around !! See HERE (http://thames-valley-region.mag-uk.org/Pages/exhaust_legal.htm)for advice on the subject by MAG. Now, whatever you think of them as an organisation they tend to pretty good with facts !
Do you seriously think, that if your e-mark had been half polished out (but still identifiable as an e-mark) that a conviction would be possible?
Laughable considering you dont need one anyway.
fatneck
30-08-10, 01:21 PM
I like the way the swearword filter filtered out t_w_a_t from Nigh-t_w_a_t-ch.
jonny.boyd
30-08-10, 01:31 PM
Correct - you don't need a BS or E mark as long as the manufacturer has his name or trademark on the exhaust. So theoretically, both lads on last night's programme were within the law because both silencers showed the manufacturer's name clearly. The copper mentioned the words Yoshimura and Wolf after quickly looking at the pipes, so it's obvious that both were marked.
It never ceases to amaze me just how ill-informed some traffic coppers are when it comes to things like this. This is their job, they are meant to know the law regarding such things. In any other profession they'd be disciplined or sacked for getting it wrong repeatedly and not learning how to do their job correctly.
Somehow I think that if i got pulled over for my exhaust and tried to tell the coppers some facts about their own job it wouldn't go down to well. Think i may be printing that 'Department for Transport' document and keeping it under my seat with my ever-growing amount of documents i need to prevent me or my bike from being arrested / recovered on the spot!
jonny.boyd
30-08-10, 01:32 PM
I like the way the swearword filter filtered out t_w_a_t from Nigh-t_w_a_t-ch.
Gotta love over-protective site filters! =p
Correct - you don't need a BS or E mark as long as the manufacturer has his name or trademark on the exhaust. So theoretically, both lads on last night's programme were within the law because both silencers showed the manufacturer's name clearly. The copper mentioned the words Yoshimura and Wolf after quickly looking at the pipes, so it's obvious that both were marked..
Edit - My bad - didn't read properly.
Sorry Lenny thats not always true either, Flameboy believed he was abiding by the law with his supplied 33hp restrictor, but they decided to try and prosecute him anyway.
Fabricated offences do happen im afraid, that said, i have broken the speed limit and got a reprieve so has balanced out in my experience.
Did he get prostituted in the end then? Sorry didn't follow that thread that closely it was a bit of an epic.
The point I was trying to make was if you have stuff on your bike you know is illegal AND break the speed limit sooner or later you are going to get into trouble.
Not saying it is right but if you know the rules and choose to break them you can't really complain when you get your collar felt.
yorkie_chris
30-08-10, 03:05 PM
No but they were using the threat of prosecution to try and strong arm him into not complaining about the damage to his bike.
Amplimator
30-08-10, 03:39 PM
Did he get prostituted in the end then?
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
ROFL
Bloody spell checker.
Specialone
30-08-10, 04:20 PM
BTW to my knowledge he has been compensated now for the damage but sold or is selling his bike.
BTW to my knowledge he has been compensated now for the damage but sold or is selling his bike.
Is him selling the bike a direct result of the persecution he suffered?
Specialone
30-08-10, 04:30 PM
Is him selling the bike a direct result of the persecution he suffered?
Not sure tbh, i think he may of needed the cash to help him during the case, but dont quote me on it.
Think he lost his job as well as he had time off to attend things in regards to the case, again dont quote me.
It sucks either way :(
Think i may be printing that 'Department for Transport' document and keeping it under my seat with my ever-growing amount of documents i need to prevent me or my bike from being arrested / recovered on the spot!
When I lived with my ex I bought her a personal plate on her birthday for her new Rover, and spaced it to read her name (J4NY G). All the spacing was wider than that required by law by at least 2mm but she'd still get pulled. In the end I took the plates to the local Police traffic HQ and got an Inspector to measure them and declare them legal, then I had him photocopy the relevant pages from the statute books he'd used and put his name, rank and phone number on each page.
Next time the ex got pulled, she waited until the copper was measuring up and called the Inspector then handed the phone and the sheets of paper to the copper who'd pulled her. He got a bit of an earful and let her go on her way, after a couple of those incidents she stopped getting pulled and still has the same number plates mounted on her new Skoda 14 years later. She's not been pulled since.
richwill68
30-08-10, 07:15 PM
Hi All,
Just a quick mention on the undertaking issue...
Not sure what scenarios you are all contemplating here, but No 1 is aimed more at dual carriageway or motorway stuff.
1) "...vehicles may pass on the left ONLY when moving slowly, in queues, and when the queue on your right is travelling more slowly than you are."
If you are considering passing on the left on normal everyday single carriageways then you may -
2) "only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is indicating to turn right, and there is room to do so."
Highway code stuff;).
On the subject of traffic cops, any one of them worth their salt will ALWAYS find that little something wrong with your machine that you thought no-one would notice. How they proceed with that is, in part, down to how you play the situation. I've always been very honest and very polite with the law when I have been stopped. This has worked for me for 26 years of motorcycling, from loony tunes teenager to old fart that I am now:D.
Hope this has helped,
Regards
Rich
(J4NY G).
Lozzo that number plate is illegal, the correct spacing for that plate is J4 NYG. Characters can not be moved from one group to another.
Lozzo that number plate is illegal, the correct spacing for that plate is J4 NYG. Characters can not be moved from one group to another.
When the spacing between the 4 and the N is the correct distance as required by law then they are grouped as required by law for that year of plate (1997 car) - plates on cars registered from Sept 1st 2001 onwards have a stricter grouping requirement. I spaced the J4NY at the same distance as that required between the 4 and N, the G is shoved over at the same distance from the side of the plate as the J is creating a decent gap between the Y and G.
This shows how it looks, the same plate is now on the Skoda (first one to take the p1ss out of my leathers gets a smack up the side of the head)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/359948039_b342dfbb38_b.jpg
I'll be spacing my new plate illegally but really couldn't give a toss, no-one round here with a personal plate does and the cops just ignore them unless they really are unreadable
I've always loved the irony that by making a number plate easier to remember and more noticeable you break the law.
Dicky Ticker
01-09-10, 08:34 AM
I believe undertaking is appropriate when the inner lane is for a left hand turn or slip road providing you are making the turn and the traffic on the right is going straight ahead.
i.e. Motorway and the traffic[possibly LGV or slow moving doing 55mph] is on the inside lane but you undertake on the lefthand slip at 70mph,providing you are indicating and turning on the slip.
i couldn't find anything in the Highway code,but I only had a glance.
I got a note for my exhaust the other day.
They reckon a new law is coming out soon that will enable them to make harser penalties from none road legal exhausts.
Stupid law is the no baffles. He said it was inconsiderate to housing estates due to the noise.
OK, so that 30 seconds of noise is too much, but someone taking me out due to driving and not spotting or hearing me, and possibly killing me, thats ok then.....
I couldn't argue, tyres are close, and i run a 7x5 plate (slightly smaller). Two coppers on motox bikes, and a police wagon turned up.
5 of us were parked up, no-one riding.
Ironcially when someone wrote off my dads car on the same day, they wern't interested.
To be fair, the copper that dealt with me was ok, just going to give me a ticking off, but then his superior went off on one at my best friend, for also having no baffles, so he had to do all of us. How lames that.
As long as its a £30 fine, I will continue to have no baffle, as for me, it makes my riding safer as people can hear you more. But thats common sense, and the UK lacks that trait.
Lozzo that number plate is illegal, the correct spacing for that plate is J4 NYG. Characters can not be moved from one group to another.
This is another thing that grinds my gears.... :smt013
OK, so im running
D4MO
B
Instead of
D4
MOB
What exactly is the real issue with it? Even though the spacing is there, just moved 2 accross 2, why is it exactly illegal becuase a rediculas lawbook says so. I have a legal sized plate also, lettered like the the above, but its still illegal?? I really cannot see the point, but then im a road user, a motorcyclist, i just cause the problem.....
I will continue to have no baffle, as for me, it makes my riding safer as people can hear you more. But thats common sense, and the UK lacks that trait.
I don't understand how your riding can be safer...
D4MO
B
Instead of
D4
MOB
What exactly is the real issue with it? Even though the spacing is there, just moved 2 accross 2, why is it exactly illegal becuase a rediculas lawbook says so. I
People expect the plates to conform to a pattern. Is D4MO DAMO DAM0? Sounds anal; may be anal; could make a difference in the event of an accident or suspected crime.
Why have plates at all if people are allowed to make them read as they choose?
martin15s
02-09-10, 01:32 PM
This is another thing that grinds my gears.... :smt013
OK, so im running
D4MO
B
Instead of
D4
MOB
What exactly is the real issue with it? Even though the spacing is there, just moved 2 accross 2, why is it exactly illegal becuase a rediculas lawbook says so. I have a legal sized plate also, lettered like the the above, but its still illegal?? I really cannot see the point, but then im a road user, a motorcyclist, i just cause the problem.....
You answer your own question - you are causing the problem - the same as with the exhaust noise and no baffles. If you insist on riding on the road with an illegal number plate and illegal exhaust then you will no doubt be stopped and reported time and time again. The road traffic laws are made for the greater good of all - not just you - quite honestly either comply or form a group of like minded people to lobby Parliament to change these "ridiculous" laws.
The problem is we Huming beans can differentiate the numbers quite easily. Unfortunately ANPR and other automated registration recognition software driven systems (what a mouthful!) can't.
So we have to make it easy for these systems by following the letter of the law.
The powers that be have found an easy way to follow our every move but if we have an "illegal" numberplate we are bucking the system.
Can't have that now can they?
C
I don't understand how your riding can be safer...
People expect the plates to conform to a pattern. Is D4MO DAMO DAM0? Sounds anal; may be anal; could make a difference in the event of an accident or suspected crime.
Why have plates at all if people are allowed to make them read as they choose?
Becuase it makes your more audioable to car users. Try riding in a city centre for proof off this. Or even riding down the road. Generally, no baffle = People look in their mirrors to see what the noise is.
Regarding the plate, please look at how letters/numbers are added to reg plates??
It would NEVER read Letter, number, letter, number, letter would it.......
You answer your own question - you are causing the problem - the same as with the exhaust noise and no baffles. If you insist on riding on the road with an illegal number plate and illegal exhaust then you will no doubt be stopped and reported time and time again. The road traffic laws are made for the greater good of all - not just you - quite honestly either comply or form a group of like minded people to lobby Parliament to change these "ridiculous" laws.
No, read it properly please.
I am not complaining about the size of the plate. I know its slightly smaller. And for your info, they said nothing about the plate anyway. I know its slightly smaller, I made this choice, I am not moaning about that.
I am complaining that there is no reason for not allowing the spacing to be moved to make a word. If its D4MO B, or D4 MOB, does not make a diffence. Hell it could be D 4MOB. Why does where the space is located, make any difference, be it on a legally size plate or not. Why is that a law? It makes absolutly no effect. I mean Lozzo's example is taking the **** a little, theres huge spaces everywhere, but mine isn't, but by law, its illegal.
Regarding the baffle, please see above, and we were all parked up, there was no-one on a bike and all bikes were off at all when they rode over.
Made for the greater good of all?
So please do explain, what moving a space does to a reg plate, how it effects any camera recording software, or effects anyone at all?
And how does a noisey exhaust have a greated effect on all, other than making a motorcyclist more audioable to all road users and pedestrians, hence making me safer as rider.
I ran my bandit for over 4 years without a baffle, never been stopped for a noisey exhaust, done over 35,000 miles now. Use it every day, been at police stop checks, the lot, nothing ever been said about no baffle, and its just as noisey as my Benelli.
I've run my Benelli for over a year, without the baffle. Again, been to meets, events, even had a police officer pull me over jsut to find out what the bike is, what the fans were for etc... No-ones ever said a word.
I pull over on a known bike place, having a conversation, with other bikers, none of which are doing wheelies, burnouts, racing, we're just sitting talking about bikes, and the bike racing on TV, when we're given fines.
Indeed, thats keeping road users safe, and not alienating the police officers respect at all. As I said, I had no problem with them issueing the fine, I run the risk of no baffle, then I can't complain at a fine, (i did write this :rolleyes: ), but the issue that the fact its even a law, and that they are clamping down on it specifically to stop noisey bikes is simply rediculas. Who's it for, the Jeremy clarksons who moan they can hear the bikes?
Likewise with the plates, everythings the same, but a space is in a different place, how can this be dangerous, illegal, and in any way make a car or motorcycle plate harder to read? Yet in Europe, with much smaller text, well its funny how their cameras can easily read their plates.
Its a revenue making exercise, an un-needed, un-neccesary law which doesn't hinder anyone and only further alienates police officers with petty income making laws. As I said, especially when a dotty old dear pulls out on my old man on teh same day, writes his car off, and show absolutly no interest or help at all.
We had 2 police bikes, a police wagon with police and community support officers. We had more police than we did bikers....
This is my issue. Im not a "I hate the police they are ****" person, hoever in this instance, due to their lack of help, increase in attitude (as i've said, bloke dealing with me was fine, until his superiour started off), for absolutly no reason. They could ahve issued a warning, noted which bikes were there, and aided police/road user bonds by simply stating, "we've seen you once now, if we see you again, we'll fine you"
This is the approach I feel should be taken, and i'd be far more inclined to re-insert the baffle. Next time, i'll fight it back knowing they can just give me a pointless fine.
Becuase it makes your more audioable to car users. Try riding in a city centre for proof off this. Or even riding down the road. Generally, no baffle = People look in their mirrors to see what the noise is.
That is not safety of your riding. Your riding is as good or bad as it was before. What about a deaf blind single mother lesbian from iran? He'd (:D) never hear you...
Regarding the plate, please look at how letters/numbers are added to reg plates??
It would NEVER read Letter, number, letter, number, letter would it.......
No it wouldn't, but there are a huge number of legal British layouts, before you need to identify the car as foreign registered. The letter code, up to three numbers, and three letters was originally introduced as studies showed that people found it easy to remember groups of 3 letters or numbers, but rates decreased for groups of 4 or more. Your number plate reads like a group of 4...
That is not safety of your riding. Your riding is as good or bad as it was before. What about a deaf blind single mother lesbian from iran? He'd (:D) never hear you...
No it wouldn't, but there are a huge number of legal British layouts, before you need to identify the car as foreign registered. The letter code, up to three numbers, and three letters was originally introduced as studies showed that people found it easy to remember groups of 3 letters or numbers, but rates decreased for groups of 4 or more. Your number plate reads like a group of 4...
Why would a deaf blind single mother lesbian be driving a car on the UK highways?
You ever been to Europe? There is no country that has the same size lettering and thickness of UK registration plates. Not only that, but most other countries also display their country of origan on the plates themselves.
The amount of letters/numbers in my plate is one of the most common type of private plates on the roads, and any police officer should know this. Its part of their job, same as its mine as a road user to know my traffic laws (which comes well in handy against some people who have no idea, and also infuriating).
Its part of their job, same as its mine as a road user to know my traffic laws (which comes well in handy against some people who have no idea, and also infuriating).
Although you seem to think you are above them...
yorkie_chris
02-09-10, 04:28 PM
There is a definite argument for the police f***ing off and catching some real criminals.
Though, I still can't see the fuss about small plates, why bother? Might as well leave it off and claim it fell off.
I definitely think a noisy pipe makes travelling through traffic and congested areas much safer. There's always some docile tw*t to walk out anyway, but more that don't.
And, if some c**t of a copper gives me a fine for it, it's probably cheaper than fixing all that crash damage that never happened.
Although you seem to think you are above them...
Since when? Just becuase of what i've written??
I think you should stop writing statements that have never been written like that. Thats what office b1tching is.
The problem is we Huming beans can differentiate the numbers quite easily. Unfortunately ANPR and other automated registration recognition software driven systems (what a mouthful!) can't.
Which is half the reason why I'm spacing my new car plate the way it will be. I don't like or agree with the widespread introduction of ANPR, which is why my bike currently wears an IoM plate with non-standard size/font lettering. It appears legal because it's a standard sized plate, but I'm told by a traffic copper friend of mine that when he was following me his ANPR couldn't read it. I'm happy with that
boredus
05-09-10, 09:44 PM
The number plate thing has never interested me and as said already, if a small plate attracts bad press then why bother, either ride without one and say it was there when you set off. You are just giving the policeman / camera proof of address and ownership with the bloody thing.
On the other hand the after market can is a big yes for me and is the first thing to get changed on every bike I buy. Not overly mad loud, just loud enough to hear me blip the throttle with car windows closed and the radio on. I am in and out of traffic all the time on my commute with the bike round surrey. It was even worse when I worked in London. People ask me why when I am filtering I blip the throttle every 50 metres or so and the answer is always the same - to wake the car driver up 3 cars ahead who is about to change lanes without looking. Yes I may have time to brake, but then again as per my ride down the M3 a few weeks ago, I may end up getting pushed over and almost in to the back of a slower or still standing car in the next lane. The M3 incident was very annoying as I was not even filtering, I was just riding at 70 behind a car when a guy in the fast lane decided he wanted to be where I was and before anyone says it serves me right for sitting in the middle lane, I was there because of all the slow moving vehicles taking the next exit.
The M3 incident was very annoying as I was not even filtering, I was just riding at 70 behind a car when a guy in the fast lane decided he wanted to be where I was and before anyone says it serves me right for sitting in the middle lane, I was there because of all the slow moving vehicles taking the next exit.
So having an anti-social exhaust didn't help then? Kind of defeats the object of having one and you've also shot your own argument for having them down in flames.
Loud exhausts don't save lives. Loud exhausts just hack other drivers and the general public off. Good observant and defensive riding saves lives.
boredus
05-09-10, 10:47 PM
You are almost as bad as those stereo-typical policemen you were complaining about in this, your own thread. Ah yes it is not genuine Suzuki, it must be bad!! At 70mph on the motorway I would be impressed if you can hear many exhausts anyway, it was more a point towards the folks asleep behind the wheel.
Where in my statement did I say 'anti social'???? hang on let me quote what I said
' On the other hand the after market can is a big yes for me and is the first thing to get changed on every bike I buy. Not overly mad loud, just loud enough to hear me blip the throttle with car windows closed and the radio on'
In fact the titanium blue flame can I have on the bike is 'road legal' and stamped, even has the manufacturer's branding still on the can!
The next thing is where did I say ' my loud exhaust saves my life? ' you are worse than my mrs, imagining **** I never said.
No need to be an **** just cause I dont understand your silly number plate stuff :smt109
. Not overly mad loud, just loud enough to hear me blip the throttle with car windows closed and the radio on'
You don't think that is anti-social :confused: Not everybody likes motorbikes, and that is hardly going to endear you to them.
boredus
05-09-10, 11:08 PM
No actually I dont. Like I have also stated, the can I have on the bike complies with the law?
yorkie_chris
06-09-10, 06:23 AM
The number plate thing has never interested me and as said already, if a small plate attracts bad press then why bother, either ride without one and say it was there when you set off. You are just giving the policeman / camera proof of address and ownership with the bloody thing.
+1
A friend of mine was done for small plate, fair enough he was taking the p*** with a tiny letter box size thing. The policeman who wrote the ticket just said the camera in the car reads hundreds of numberplates and yours was the only one it couldn't read today and that's why we stopped you.
Attracting unnecessary attention I reckon.
boredus
06-09-10, 07:02 AM
Now add that to having no baffles in the exhaust ( Anti Social?) , which is likely to be the case with someone who has customised his bike enough to change the numberplate and then there are 2 things he can moan about.
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